Re: Squirrelmail package availability question
Hi Douglas, On Thursday 20 January 2011 16:45:50 g...@ccil.org wrote: > I'm curious why only eleven Squirrelmail plug-ins seem to be available as > Debian packages: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=squirrelmail > > Specifically, I don't see that the Unsafe Image Rules plug-in is available: > http://squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=98 The reason for this is, like with other things in Debian: it hasn't been done because there was nobody yet that did it. In a volunteer organization things happen when someone sees the need and can spend the time on doing it. In this specific case, there has been a concern in the past that making a package for really small things, like a plugin that's just one short file, would be overkill. But if you ask me, there's always some way to deal with such concerns, and, the real cause is described in the previous paragraph. Cheers, Thijs signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Announcing upcoming events; something missing?
We would love to have Debian booth at the 3rd annual SouthEast LinuxFest in South Carolina, USA June 10-12, 2011: http://southeastlinuxfest.org On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl < toli...@debian.org> wrote: > Hi! > > The Debian Project will be present at several larger fairs in the coming > weeks, so I guess it's a good idea to announce that soonish. > > Our events page [1] and our wiki [2] currently list: > > * Cloud Expo Europe 2011 (London, UK) > * Free and Open Source Developers' European Meeting (Brussels, Belgium) > * 13th Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Chemnitz, Germany) > > Soonish I'll also add the CeBIT, where we will again be present thanks > to the support of Univention and the Deutsche Messe AG. > > Is there anything missing? Please speak up now, so we can still add > your event to the announcement (and our website, FWIW). > > > Best regards, > Alexander > > > Links: > 1: http://www.debian.org/events/ > 2: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-events-na-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d382653.2080...@debian.org > > -- dave yates lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
Re: DEP5: Public domain works
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:47:08PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:47:20PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : 3) public domain in some domains only. For example works made by US goverment employees. Those are public domain in the US, but you will need a license elsewhere. […] Note that 4) is the only public domain that is in my eyes enough for Debian to treat it like an free license. So if that is not applicable, then having a keyword "public domain" does not make much sense. I think that we need a way to express the fact that a work has been placed in the public domain in a country and has no license otherwise. At least for U.S. works, such software has been already accepted in Debian: We _do_ have a way to express it now. Just not a Short name for it. So simply _avoid_ using the reserved Short name "public-domain" as that has a very special meaning. ...which makes me wonder: Is it perhaps better that we _remove_ that reserved Short name, so as to treat any tagging using that keyword as being custom, rather than the high risk of it being wrongly tagged? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: DEP5: Public domain works
* Charles Plessy [110120 15:51]: > Here is for instance most of the content of the copyright file of the > ncbi-tools6 package: > > Copyright: > > The NCBI toolkit has been put into the public domain, completely unfettered: > > PUBLIC DOMAIN NOTICE >National Center for Biotechnology Information > > This software/database is a "United States Government Work" under the > terms of the United States Copyright Act. It was written as part of > the author's official duties as a United States Government employee and > thus cannot be copyrighted. This software/database is freely available > to the public for use. The National Library of Medicine and the U.S. > Government have not placed any restriction on its use or reproduction. Here the question is what "This software/database is freely available to the public for use." means. If it is simply a consequence of the former, then this lacks the permission to copy it outside the US[1]. If it is a grant of permissive license, the question is what "public" is, but I'd argue that it doesn't list "public in the USA", thus it would be granted to everybody. I'd suggest to ask a lawyer about statements like that. From what I understand it might be possible that one day the US goverment decides it wants to sue someone copying things like that outside the US and might win in court. Bernhard R. Link [1] Except in countries that do not protect works that are not protected in their home-country. (But as with the "getting public domain by author dead for X years" there are countries that do not care about the rules in the home-country, but apply their own ones). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110120162423.ga14...@pcpool00.mathematik.uni-freiburg.de
Squirrelmail package availability question
I'm curious why only eleven Squirrelmail plug-ins seem to be available as Debian packages: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=squirrelmail Specifically, I don't see that the Unsafe Image Rules plug-in is available: http://squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=98 If this is discussed elsewhere, please let me know where. Thank you, Douglas Purdy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/bd7f526f24cd3da3ea56a92c0d855f40.squir...@webmail.ccil.org
Re: DEP5: Public domain works
Le Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:47:20PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : > > 3) public domain in some domains only. For example works made by US >goverment employees. Those are public domain in the US, but you will >need a license elsewhere. […] > Note that 4) is the only public domain that is in my eyes enough for > Debian to treat it like an free license. So if that is not applicable, > then having a keyword "public domain" does not make much sense. I think that we need a way to express the fact that a work has been placed in the public domain in a country and has no license otherwise. At least for U.S. works, such software has been already accepted in Debian: Here is for instance most of the content of the copyright file of the ncbi-tools6 package: Copyright: The NCBI toolkit has been put into the public domain, completely unfettered: PUBLIC DOMAIN NOTICE National Center for Biotechnology Information This software/database is a "United States Government Work" under the terms of the United States Copyright Act. It was written as part of the author's official duties as a United States Government employee and thus cannot be copyrighted. This software/database is freely available to the public for use. The National Library of Medicine and the U.S. Government have not placed any restriction on its use or reproduction. Although all reasonable efforts have been taken to ensure the accuracy and reliability of the software and data, the NLM and the U.S. Government do not and cannot warrant the performance or results that may be obtained by using this software or data. The NLM and the U.S. Government disclaim all warranties, express or implied, including warranties of performance, merchantability or fitness for any particular purpose. Please cite the author in any work or product based on this material. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/ncbi-tools6/current/ncbi-tools-bin.copyright I do not see much other ways than a ‘public-domain’ keyword to describe this in a machine-readable way. It is in the public domain of a large country, and to the best of my knowledge, nobody claims ownership on it in other countries, so it effectively has no licence nor known copyright holders anywhere in the world. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Debian Med packaging team, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110120144708.ga23...@merveille.plessy.net
Re: DEP5: Format example patch
On Thursday 20 January 2011 09:42:38 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > An additional advantage of using a placeholder is that DEP5 > implementation can easily detect that the placeholder is not a > well-formed URL (Dominique: does your current implementation do that, by > the way?). Currently, any url beginning with 'http://svn' is replaced by the DEP-5 approved URL. Any other field is accepted. I can easily change it to replace '<.*>' with the DEP-5 URL. I can also enforce a valid URL to be specified for other cases (are there any other cases ?) All the best Dominique -- http://config-model.wiki.sourceforge.net/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/ddumont -o- http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201101201340.11181.d...@komarr.gre.hp.com
Announcing upcoming events; something missing?
Hi! The Debian Project will be present at several larger fairs in the coming weeks, so I guess it's a good idea to announce that soonish. Our events page [1] and our wiki [2] currently list: * Cloud Expo Europe 2011 (London, UK) * Free and Open Source Developers' European Meeting (Brussels, Belgium) * 13th Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Chemnitz, Germany) Soonish I'll also add the CeBIT, where we will again be present thanks to the support of Univention and the Deutsche Messe AG. Is there anything missing? Please speak up now, so we can still add your event to the announcement (and our website, FWIW). Best regards, Alexander Links: 1: http://www.debian.org/events/ 2: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d382653.2080...@debian.org
Re: DEP5: Public domain works
* Russ Allbery [110119 02:03]:
> However, the caveat is that we maybe should say something about not using
> the public-domain keyword for things that aren't actually in the public
> domain but just have a license saying "this is in the public domain" or
> "you can treat this as if it's in the public domain," since in many
> countries that use Debian those works are *not* in the public domain.
Is there anything that actually is in the public domain in such a strict
sense. As I can see there are:
1) public domain by death of author long ago. Might be applicable to
some data sets, but I doubt any software is in this category.
2) public domain by not being copyrightable. Legislations differ, so it
is hard to say if something is not copyrightable anywhere. And once
it is enough stuff to fill a whole package, I see not much chance
that it actually has no copyright attached to it.
3) public domain in some domains only. For example works made by US
goverment employees. Those are public domain in the US, but you will
need a license elsewhere.
4) public domain by author waiving all rights i.e. ("this is hereby public
domain"). This might be possible in some countries directly. In
others it will just be a maximal permissive license. I see no reason
to differentiate between those two. (Statements are about meaning,
not about words).
Note that 4) is the only public domain that is in my eyes enough for
Debian to treat it like an free license. So if that is not applicable,
then having a keyword "public domain" does not make much sense.
Bernhard R. Link
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