Re: trademark policy draft

2012-07-31 Thread Charles Plessy 
Le Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 06:07:17PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> 
> - there is a potential exception to the "as free as possible" principle,
>   though, in the following provision:
> 
> You can also make merchandise with DEBIAN trademarks for commercial
> usage provided that, in addition to following the guidelines listed
> below, you truthfully advertise to customers which part of the
> selling price will be donated to the DEBIAN project.

Hi Stefano,

thank you for your work on this subject.

In my opinion, we should give as few restrictions as possible, in the spirit of
our Social Contract and the DFSG.  In particular, we do not accept software
with restrictions on commercial use.

I think that we should show the example and remove restrictions on the
commercial use of our trademark.  We can of course, in a non-normative section,
keep a recommendation to indicate if a donation will be made to Debian.

Here are minor comments.

 - It would be nice to indicate somewhere which restrictions stem from
   laws, and which restrictions are additions by us.

 - If this policy focuses on trademarks owned by SPI, perhaps it can
   exhaustively list them ?

 - Is it necessary to capitalise DEBIAN in the document ?

 - Requests to "not be misleading" and be "truthful" are vague.

 - When one can use the Debian trademarks without asking, is it because of fair
   use, or is it because Debian grants a trademark license ?

 - Imagine that we in Debian follow the spirit of this policy when using other
   trademarks (GNOME, Linux, etc.) in our websites.  Wouldn't the requriement
   of including a disclaimer be a bit heavy ?

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Re: trademark policy draft

2012-07-31 Thread Russ Allbery 
Gaudenz Steinlin  writes:
> Stefano Zacchiroli  writes:

>> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
>> \item Logo should only use ``official'' logo colors.

> What's the reason for this?

It's standard legal advise for trademarks, at least in the US.  If you
don't require that the trademark be used in the same way all the time, it
becomes *much* more difficult to legally protect the trademark.

Stanford's lawyers tell us the same things all the time about use of
Stanford's trademark symbols.  That's for uses of the trademark by
Stanford itself, so the advice is relevant to Debian-internal as well.
Yes, if we "misuse" our own trademark, obviously there's no legal problem,
but, as I understand it, it can put us in a situation where we can't
defend the trademark any more.

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Re: trademark policy draft

2012-07-31 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin 
Stefano Zacchiroli  writes:
> \subsection{Guidelines for Using Logos}
>
> \begin{itemize}
>
> \item Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
>
> \item Logo should only use ``official'' logo colors.

What's the reason for this? While the policy as I understand it is not
binding for Debian (we can use our own trademark as we like), it may
create some confusion that we as a project did not use the "official"
color on several occasions in our "official" artwork (eg. current wheezy
default desktop background). I don't see a reason why this should not be
allowed for others.

Gaudenz

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Re: trademark policy draft

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Samuelson 

[Paul Wise]
> Does the domain name restriction mean that sites like these will have
> to rename themselves?
> 
> http://www.debian-administration.org/
> http://www.debian-news.net/

The way I read it, it's not that sites like these will be forced to
rename themselves, but that they will be forced to seek explicit
permission to use the trademark.

Peter


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Re: trademark policy draft

2012-07-31 Thread Paul Wise 
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

> I'm happy to attach a first complete draft of such a policy, and I'm
> looking for comment on it.

Some of the things that are explicitly allowed by the policy are
things that AFAIK are not restricted by trademark law, is the purpose
of including those to reduce the number of questions from people who
aren't well informed about the restrictions in trademark law?

The NeuroDebian project (and other Debian derivatives and
sub-projects) has a logo that is modified from the Debian one, that
would appear to not be allowed if we were to trademark the swirl logo.
Also some derivatives also use a name that is similar to "Debian", for
example Debathena, Emdebian.

http://neuro.debian.net/_static/fmri_w200.png
http://pkg-games.alioth.debian.org/proposed-logo.png
http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log/2011/07/11/debian-derivative-logos/

Does the domain name restriction mean that sites like these will have
to rename themselves?

http://www.debian-administration.org/
http://www.debian-news.net/

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Re: Review of personal information sources in Debian

2012-07-31 Thread Paul Wise 
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Enrico Zini wrote:

> Did I miss anything in this review? Is everything represented correctly?

wiki.d.o: email/jabber address, name, page subscriptions, timezone,
other settings.

forums.d.n: email, various contact addresses/URLs.

carnivore: stores other email addresses that might be unknown to the
keyring & LDAP.

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