Aw: Re: Debian companies group
> > On Dienstag, 3. September 2013, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > But I don't understand why > > > interested DD aren't allowed to subscribe to it. I also don't understand > > > what the minimum size requirement brings. > > > > me neither. why are small debian companies no debian companies (in this > > context)? Why shouldn't they? We had one person companies sponsoring > > DebConfs > > several times. > > Right and we already have a debian-consultants mailing list, don't we? The > idea > was that bigger companies may have other topics and ideas. But then maybe not, > but it's worth a try imo. The numbers are not set in stone btw, but I strongly > believe in the beginning we should not start with everyone, but a group that > is not > really represented so far. I prefer you trying the way you want to try it rather than talking it down. How open you want to be to smaller groups you may want to discuss on the list, then. Go for it. Steffen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/trinity-51fda7c8-3f9b-4611-97a8-7719749a7044-1378233115371@3capp-gmx-bs45
Re: Debian companies group
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 12:18:05PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > The graphs on lists.debian.org seem to indicate that the list has not > seen much use: Indeed it hasn't. IMO due to the lack of an active group coordinator, whom we now seem to have. Regarding the privateness of the list, sure, the list can be moved elsewhere if *hosting* a private list on Debian infrastructure is not considered acceptable. I've argued at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650082#133 that mere hosting of this list doesn't, IMO, go against any Debian principle. My intuition for that is that the list is just a facility offered to an interest group, mostly formed by non-Debian actors, whose Debian-related actions to become effective will need to go through the usual Debian public channels (the BTS, VCS, packaging team lists, etc). If, in addition to that, companies would like to use the list also to discuss stuff that is private to them, e.g. commercial strategies or fleshing out announcements before they're public, that's fine by me, as I don't consider those Debian activities. If anyone think the project will gain something in moving such a list outside the Debian infra, sure, why not. FWIW, I've myself much more of an issue with private lists (and mail aliases) used by official Debian bodies, core teams, etc. Because those lists are used by project members to take decisions that impact directly on the project and won't necessarily go through other public channels before becoming effective. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian companies group
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 08:14:10PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: > > On Dienstag, 3. September 2013, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > But I don't understand why > > > interested DD aren't allowed to subscribe to it. I also don't understand > > > what the minimum size requirement brings. > > me neither. why are small debian companies no debian companies (in this > > context)? Why shouldn't they? We had one person companies sponsoring > > DebConfs several times. > Right and we already have a debian-consultants mailing list, don't we? The > idea was that bigger companies may have other topics and ideas. But then > maybe not, but it's worth a try imo. The numbers are not set in stone > btw, but I strongly believe in the beginning we should not start with > everyone, but a group that is not really represented so far. I was unaware that this list existed. It seems that it was created over a year ago at Zack's request: http://bugs.debian.org/650082 I don't understand the value of such a list at all, or why, if it's a closed list, it should be run on Debian infrastructure. What do Debian-using companies need to discuss that they can't already discuss on the existing public mailing lists? Why should Debian host such private discussions? It's not in the spirit of the Debian project to encourage such private forums. Companies who are not willing to have their discussions out in the open should take those discussions elsewhere, not have them hosted privately on a Debian server. Companies, or their representatives, are as welcome as anyone else to participate in the discussions which shape Debian. But what's set up here seems to encourage companies to direct their energies towards a forum that is not integrated into the mainstream of Debian, disenfranchising them instead of empowering them. Before worrying about changing the mailing list subscription rules, I think it would be more important for the project to evaluate the results of the first year's "experiment". Has the list been used at all? What has it been used for? Have companies been effective in achieving their goals using this list? The graphs on lists.debian.org seem to indicate that the list has not seen much use: http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-companies.png I don't see how the proposed changes to list subscription policy will help with that. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cross compiling "NFS utils package"
Hi, On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 03:08:02PM +0530, Sourabh Bansal wrote: > Hi Mentor, debian-devel is about development *of* Debian You should probably ask debian-user or debian-mentors. > I am trying to cross compile "nfs-utils-1.2.8" package for MIPS based > processor. Can you let me know the way to compile it. Have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers -- Simon Paillard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130903191442.gm17...@mraw.org
Re: Debian companies group
> On Dienstag, 3. September 2013, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > But I don't understand why > > interested DD aren't allowed to subscribe to it. I also don't understand > > what the minimum size requirement brings. > > me neither. why are small debian companies no debian companies (in this > context)? Why shouldn't they? We had one person companies sponsoring DebConfs > several times. Right and we already have a debian-consultants mailing list, don't we? The idea was that bigger companies may have other topics and ideas. But then maybe not, but it's worth a try imo. The numbers are not set in stone btw, but I strongly believe in the beginning we should not start with everyone, but a group that is not really represented so far. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De, Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Michael at BorussiaFan dot De, Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org Jabber: michael.meskes at gmail dot com VfL Borussia! Força Barça! Go SF 49ers! Use Debian GNU/Linux, PostgreSQL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130903181410.ga6...@feivel.credativ.lan
Re: Debian companies group
Hi, On Dienstag, 3. September 2013, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > But I don't understand why > interested DD aren't allowed to subscribe to it. I also don't understand > what the minimum size requirement brings. me neither. why are small debian companies no debian companies (in this context)? Why shouldn't they? We had one person companies sponsoring DebConfs several times. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian companies group
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:12:12AM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > > I didn't really understand your proposal, it was missing the "What?" > > section. What do you intend to change apart from the description of > > the debian-companies list? > > It is not just the description but the subscription policy that is changed. > But > my goal is to get some feedback about the idea in general as it hasn't got > much > traction so far. If there is no interest from companies we can simply close > the > list. But if there is we should start talking. I fear that a single post on debian-project is unlikely to reach the aforementionned companies. You should see with the Debian Press team if you can send out a news on debian-news@ and maybe relay the information in other places too (blogs, journalists, etc.). Or maybe you can ask the Debconf sponsorship team which probably has a few contacts with companies that would fit. That said I have never been a big fan of the restrictive policy on that list. I'm ok for it to not be public. But I don't understand why interested DD aren't allowed to subscribe to it. I also don't understand what the minimum size requirement brings. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Discover the Debian Administrator's Handbook: → http://debian-handbook.info/get/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130903133219.gc30...@x230-buxy.home.ouaza.com
Aw: Re: Re: Debian companies group
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 03. September 2013 um 14:24 Uhr > Am 03.09.2013 12:04, schrieb Steffen Möller: > > >> It is not just the description but the subscription policy that is > >> changed. But > >> my goal is to get some feedback about the idea in general as it > >> hasn't got much > >> traction so far. If there is no interest from companies we can > >> simply close the > >> list. But if there is we should start talking. > > I support the idea. There are quite some different types of Debian > > companies around, and to learn about their concerns - early - may be > > of interest for > > our distribution. > > Yes, but Debian can not learn from it with the subscription policy as > is (and > intended to stay for now). Its an exclusive thing for some people, who > fit > "companies with a DD and at least 10 other people", so none else gets > anything from there. > Not the self-employed DDs, not those working in smaller companies. > > Sounds bad. Why do those smaller ones matter less? Ah. I missunderstood. Any volunteer interested in rendering our distribution more suitable for commercial entities should of course also have an option to join and/or read bits and pieces anonymously. Steffen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/trinity-de1fefda-b05d-4d1a-86b0-959586d4d909-1378212667124@3capp-gmx-bs52
Re: Aw: Re: Debian companies group
Am 03.09.2013 12:04, schrieb Steffen Möller: It is not just the description but the subscription policy that is changed. But my goal is to get some feedback about the idea in general as it hasn't got much traction so far. If there is no interest from companies we can simply close the list. But if there is we should start talking. I support the idea. There are quite some different types of Debian companies around, and to learn about their concerns - early - may be of interest for our distribution. Yes, but Debian can not learn from it with the subscription policy as is (and intended to stay for now). Its an exclusive thing for some people, who fit "companies with a DD and at least 10 other people", so none else gets anything from there. Not the self-employed DDs, not those working in smaller companies. Sounds bad. Why do those smaller ones matter less? -- bye Joerg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/674b540ba97f547989e34c9c138c9...@mail.ganneff.de
Aw: Re: Debian companies group
> Von: "Michael Meskes" > On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:12:12AM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > > I didn't really understand your proposal, it was missing the "What?" > > section. What do you intend to change apart from the description of > > the debian-companies list? > > It is not just the description but the subscription policy that is changed. > But > my goal is to get some feedback about the idea in general as it hasn't got > much > traction so far. If there is no interest from companies we can simply close > the > list. But if there is we should start talking. I support the idea. There are quite some different types of Debian companies around, and to learn about their concerns - early - may be of interest for our distribution. Steffen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/trinity-eba82059-3a65-4e77-a87f-d98e0b027d7f-1378202642647@3capp-gmx-bs52
Re: Debian companies group
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Michael Meskes wrote: > It is not just the description but the subscription policy that is changed. > But > my goal is to get some feedback about the idea in general as it hasn't got > much > traction so far. If there is no interest from companies we can simply close > the > list. But if there is we should start talking. In general there is lots of interest in Debian from companies, for example DebConf sponsorship and the Debian partners program. Personally I feel that companies are perfectly capable of expressing their interest in Debian through hiring Debian members, mailing debian-devel/debian-project, the Debian partners program and other existing fora. I'm not privy to the discussions on the debian-companies list so I may be missing information here. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caktje6hoxbhekr3-rdtcpywzblw0-7chg0mcp-3xhkhroer...@mail.gmail.com
Cross compiling "NFS utils package"
Hi Mentor, I am trying to cross compile "nfs-utils-1.2.8" package for MIPS based processor. Can you let me know the way to compile it. After compiling and test with "file" command it shows... ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=0x43916ba170be5287b0d9b583c1d4e15d7ee188f9, not stripped Thanks & Regards, Sourabh Bansal
Re: Debian companies group
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:12:12AM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > I didn't really understand your proposal, it was missing the "What?" > section. What do you intend to change apart from the description of > the debian-companies list? It is not just the description but the subscription policy that is changed. But my goal is to get some feedback about the idea in general as it hasn't got much traction so far. If there is no interest from companies we can simply close the list. But if there is we should start talking. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael at Fam-Meskes dot De, Michael at Meskes dot (De|Com|Net|Org) Michael at BorussiaFan dot De, Meskes at (Debian|Postgresql) dot Org Jabber: michael.meskes at gmail dot com VfL Borussia! Força Barça! Go SF 49ers! Use Debian GNU/Linux, PostgreSQL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130903094101.ga15...@feivel.credativ.lan
Re: Debian companies group
I didn't really understand your proposal, it was missing the "What?" section. What do you intend to change apart from the description of the debian-companies list? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAKTje6HQcjUBeBhXA5hqiGwAY0ReoN=b4gtndpvwasta_ve...@mail.gmail.com
