Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-16 Thread Eldon Koyle
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 3:12 PM Don Armstrong  wrote:

> I can't recall a case of listmaster@ actually enforcing the prohibition
> of profanity, and I'm unaware of anyone actually using packet radio for
> receiving listmail anymore. [If they are, I really hope it's encrypted.]

Encryption is generally illegal in amateur radio (aka ham radio).

-- 
Eldon



Re: "gr_rms" worked with mutt+gpg+ssh+sendmail (Evolution is difficult)

2021-04-16 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi,

On Fri, 2021-04-16 at 23:46 +, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Osamu Aoki wrote:
> 
> > Evolution PGP sign seems fragile and it doesn't work
> 
> I signed my vote using Evolution's OpenPGP support and it worked fine for me.
> 
> > (Maybe I should have used S/MIME sign)
> 
> Debian doesn't use S/MIME signing in any context.


Hmmm... This means there is some configuration problem on my part.

I checked my default settings.

"Evolution Preferences" -> "Composer Preferences" -> "General"
I see, under "Replies and Forwards", "Wrap quoted text in replies" was
checked as the system/vendor default.

This looks like the culprit which wrapped lines to break voting mail.

Thanks.

Osamu






Re: "gr_rms" worked with mutt+gpg+ssh+sendmail (Evolution is difficult)

2021-04-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Osamu Aoki wrote:

> Evolution PGP sign seems fragile and it doesn't work

I signed my vote using Evolution's OpenPGP support and it worked fine for me.

> (Maybe I should have used S/MIME sign)

Debian doesn't use S/MIME signing in any context.

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise



Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I think the blanket prohibition of profanity in the list code of
> conduct is outdated and harmful.

That's (as it states) a historical holdover: "some people receive the
lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal."

I can't recall a case of listmaster@ actually enforcing the prohibition
of profanity, and I'm unaware of anyone actually using packet radio for
receiving listmail anymore. [If they are, I really hope it's encrypted.]

-- 
Don Armstrong  https://www.donarmstrong.com

Vimes hated and despised the privileges of rank, but they had this to
be said for them: At least they meant that you could hate and despise
them in comfort.
 -- Terry Pratchett _The Fifth Elephant_ p111



Re: DEP-16 Confidential votes

2021-04-16 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Le 14/04/2021 à 18:57, Timo Röhling a écrit :
> I certainly wouldn't mind if Stephane were willing to help us setup
> a nifty e-voting solution and advise us on the best way to proceed. 

I would be glad to help :-)

> Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I understood it, we cannot avoid
> that *someone* in the project has the opportunity to connect ballots
> with voters (because someone has to administrate the registrar), unless
> we involve a third party in the credential generation.

Indeed, in Belenios, the credential authority and the server have the
opportunity to connect *encrypted* ballots with voters, but there is no
known way to connect voters with their plaintext choices.

> [...] the current scheme using pseudonym hashes is
> almost good enough, it just lacks a way to prove that each pseudonym
> really matches with exactly one voter. [...]

This is difficult in general, but in Debian the voter list is public so
I guess something can be done with logins and/or PGP keys.

> With all that being said and having made my case, I am open for any
> reasonably secure solution (including Belenios) that we can agree on,
> and I will help implement it if I can.

And I am open to make changes in Belenios if needed.


Cheers,

-- 
Stéphane



Re: "gr_rms" worked with mutt+gpg+ssh+sendmail (Evolution is difficult)

2021-04-16 Thread Roger Shimizu
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 9:48 PM Osamu Aoki  wrote:
>
> Hi, I finally voted.
>
> Kurt was right.  My initial confusion about UI of Evolution created
> mail without signature. (Evolution signature menu is not for PGP sign)
>
> Also Jessica was right.  Evolution PGP sign seems fragile and it
> doesn't work (Maybe I should have used S/MIME sign)

FYI. I tried sylpheed and claws-mail to vote this time.
Both GUI based email clients worked well, with GPG sub-key in my yubikey.

Cheers,
-- 
Roger Shimizu, GMT +9 Tokyo
PGP/GPG: 4096R/6C6ACD6417B3ACB1



Re: "gr_rms" worked with mutt+gpg+ssh+sendmail (Evolution is difficult)

2021-04-16 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, I finally voted.

Kurt was right.  My initial confusion about UI of Evolution created
mail without signature. (Evolution signature menu is not for PGP sign)

Also Jessica was right.  Evolution PGP sign seems fragile and it
doesn't work (Maybe I should have used S/MIME sign)

My solution --  get back to good old working method.

* Export to mbox from Evolution for ballot paper.
* Read it from mutt.
* Create reply on mutt
* Send it from mutt with SSH/sendmail using send2-hook

I may try S/MIME next time ...


Thanks

Osamu



Re: "gr_rms" rejected but "Debian Project Leader 2021 Election" worked

2021-04-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 08:59:24AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> This is not GMAIL problem.  This involves only My PC and Debian
> servers.
> 
> (I use gmail only for recieving mails.  I send mail from my Debian
> shell account using SSH when I use @debuian.org address to avoid mail
> rejections.  So Gmail has nothing to do with my problem.)
> 
> $ date -u --iso=sec
> 2021-04-15T23:44:44+00:00
> 
> So still in voting period as far as I am concerned.
> 
> I think the problem is:
> > >gpg: WARNING: unsafe permissions on homedir
> > >'/srv/vote.debian.org/data/gr_rms'
> 
> I think times execution of permission setting to close voting may have
> kicked in too early.

Hi Osamu,

I've replied privately to the mail you've sent to secretary,
but I'm not sure that you saw it.

I see that you attempted to vote again, and that you got the same
error.

Your 3 messages for the RMS GR were not signed, while your
mail to the DPL election was signed.

The error message contained:
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.

Which is almost always that there is no signature. Please make
sure that you actually sign the email.

There is no permission problem, nor a problem that the vote is
over. Other people are able to vote.


Kurt