Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-03 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Jorgen Schaefer wrote:
>> So, here it goes. Data was collected on 2006-05-03 at around 18:40
>> CEST:
>
> Hmm, you seem to have missed #debian-boot, which is on freenode with
> some 70 in channel. Also, you missed #debian-security and #debian-release,
> which are, IIRC, on OFTC.

Thanks for pointing these out - as I said, the lists do not
include secret channels (channel mode +s), and all three of them
do have that mode set.

The list was generated with the LIST command, which does not
include secret channels.

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Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-03 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> You also forgot #debian-women on oftc which currently has 79.

As I said, this list does not include private or secret channels,
and #debian-women has +s set.

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Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-03 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Right now I'm on those Debian related channels on OFTC:
> [...]
> And on Freenode:
> [...]

I'm not advocating Freenode really (I couldn't care less about
where any #*debian* channel buffer points, really), but if we list
channels on the networks, we should use complete lists.

What follows is a full list of channels with the string "debian"
in them, together with user numbers, on both networks. Beware.
Users DO overlap, so take the numbers with a grain of salt. Also
this does not include private or secret channels, and this will
probably change tremendously if irc.debian.org points to oftc.

If anyone feels so inclined, ey can provide a similar list for
Jabber, too.

So, here it goes. Data was collected on 2006-05-03 at around 18:40
CEST:

* Freenode
789 #debian
168 #debian.de
103 #debian-fr
 89 #debian-es
 82 #debian-amd64
 73 #debian-russian
 69 #debian.se
 69 #debian-mentors
 46 #debian-kde
 43 #debian.hu
 43 #debian-bugs
 40 #debian-edu
 34 #debian-offtopic
 29 #debian-zh
 28 #debian-java
 25 #debian-arm
 24 #debian-devel-fr
 24 #debian_
 23 #debian-it
 23 #debian-glibc
 23 #debianfr
 22 #emdebian
 17 #debian-pr
 16 #debian-x
 16 #debian-ve
 15 #debian-mono
 15 #debian-bots
 14 #debianmexico
 14 #debian-br-cdd
 13 #debian-xfce
 13 #debian-uy
 13 #debian-co
 13 #debian-ar
 12 #debian-custom
 11 #debian-ruby
 10 #debian-sparc
 10 #debian-peru
 10 #debian-muc
 10 #debian-france
 10 #debian-de
 10 #debian-catalan
  9 #debian.dk
  9 #debian-bleh
  8 #debian-user-french
  8 #debian-sp
  8 #debian-mg
  8 #debian-ipv6
  7 #debian-oo
  7 #debian-mentors-ops
  7 #debian-ia64
  6 #debian-women
  6 #debian-qa
  6 #debian-overflow
  6 #debian-hurd
  5 #debian.tr
  5 #debian-rj
  5 #debian-nonfree
  5 #debianitas
  5 #debian-cr
  4 #debian-rs
  4 #debian-pt
  4 #debian-np
  4 #debian-mentors-es
  4 #debian-jr
  4 #debian.gr
  4 #debian-ce
  4 #debian-anarchy

* OFTC:
 69 #debian-uk
 65 #debian
 44 #debian-kernel
 36 #debian-devel-fr
 28 #debian-bugs
 19 #debian.or.at
 16 #debian-amd64
 15 #debian-mirrors
 15 #debian-fr
 14 #debian-lists
 14 #debian-i18n
 13 #debian-xen
 11 #debian-python
 11 #debian-l10n-fr
  9 #debian-soc
  7 #debian-apache
  6 #debian-cd
  5 #debian-live
  4 #debian-webapps
  3 #debian-gis
  2 #debian-svn
  2 #debian-social
  2 #debian-mujeres
  2 #debian-br
  2 #debian-boot
  1 #debian-xfce
  1 #debian.se
  1 #debian-ops
  1 #debian-l10n-spanish
  1 #debian-edu
  1 #debian-bots
  1 #debian-alsa
  1 #alsa-debian

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Re: irc.debian.org

2006-05-03 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:52:33PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote:
>> > >Why not move it to Jabber?  More people use and know what Jabber is these
>> > > days than IRC.
>> >
>> > Jabber doesn't have any useable non-graphic Clients.
>> 
>> So write one or grab one of the existing ones and make it not suck.
>
> As it is, IRC *does* have non-sucking non-graphic clients. If you think
> people should switch to Jabber, I think you ought to write such a
> client, not someone who's not interested in using Jabber in the first
> place.

Because IRC clients are really, really nice, and Jabber clients
are not (I don't know of any Jabber client I consider usable, the
same for ICQ and the other IM services - I dislike licq, for
example), the best option to get us incorrigible IRC freaks onto
Jabber would be to improve bitlbee so it works with all features
of Jabber.

Oh, wait. I use bitlbee already. And it does have Jabber support
(thought not optimal). But I never bothered to get a Jabber
account. Let me think of why. *ponder* Oh, right, I never met
anyone with a Jabber account that wasn't on IRC most of the time.

But that's probably just because we IRC geeks form a single
Jabber-hostile group.

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Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

2006-04-03 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It seems to me that we are already in a situation where only the
> people who are really interested in, or informed about, a
> particular question are voting on it.

And that's bad because ...?

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Re: Screenshots

2005-07-04 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Anders Breindahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Debian is a distribution, and as such delivers its package repositories and 
> its packaging system. In my humble opinion, one really can't brag about the 
> work of others.

How about the installer? :-)

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Re: Debian sponsoring Chinese companies?

2005-01-07 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 23:10 +0100, Jorgen Schaefer wrote:
>> WikiSpam is a known problem [0, 1] and there have been various
>> discussions on how to deal with it. You might want to participate
>> by helping to remove the spam from the wiki :-)
>
> I have already removed spam from hundreds of wiki pages, but the rate of
> defacement keeps increasing.

Thanks!
wiki.debian.net should probably join the BannedContentNetwork [0]...

> Just look[0] at how many pages the asshole at 221.219.51.17 has
> hit in the past 24 hours. Also, although it is possible to
> remove spam, one can't easily restore material that the asshole
> has deleted.

Kwiki doesn't allow to edit old page revisions? That's VERY
disturbing. All major wiki engines do that. :-(

[0] http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs-en/BannedContentDiscussion

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Re: Debian sponsoring Chinese companies?

2005-01-07 Thread Jorgen Schaefer
Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It seems that Debian has chosen to provide space (e.g., [0]) where a
> number of fine Chinese companies can post links to their websites.  The
> RecentChanges page[1] shows that one IP address has modified scores of
> pages in the past 24 hours.  Is this really something that Debian should
> be doing?
>
> [0]http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?KwikiTodo
> [1]http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?RecentChanges

WikiSpam is a known problem [0, 1] and there have been various
discussions on how to deal with it. You might want to participate
by helping to remove the spam from the wiki :-)

Greetings,
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[0] http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiSpam
[1] http://www.emacswiki.org/cw/WikiSpam

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