Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Here is the draft which had been proposed by Ian a long time ago, and
seemed accepted by the Debian staff:

Do yu need some special formatting/layout? iirc some small typo/wording
were changed, but the essential is here.

Regards

=== draft letter ===

   RE DEBIAN - EUROPEAN ARTICLE NUMBER (EAN)

   To Whom It May Concern

   The Debian Project ("Debian") and Software In The Public Interest
   Inc ("SPI") wish to make known that:

   1. Debian, through its Trusted Organisations including SPI, owns and
   controls the trademark "Debian" in various jurisdictions.

   2. Debian does not provide European Article Numbers (EANs).  Nor do
   any of Debian's associated organisations do so on Debian's behalf.

   3. Debian and SPI give public permission for products embodying
   Debian's software and documentation to be sold, according to the
   Debian Trademark Policy (which can be found at
   https://www.debian.org/trademark).  That policy does not make any
   requirement about EANs.  Therefore (provided the the policy is adhered
   to) we have no objection to Debian branded products being sold without
   EANs.

   4. Debian do not anticpate this situation changing in the next 2
   years.  Specifically, we do not expect to be issuing EANs within the
   next 2 years.

   5. Please therefore allow vendors of Debian merchandise to trade,
   notwithstanding any lack of EANs for those products.

   6. This is without predjudice, of course, to our right to enforce our
   trademarks against anyone found violating our trademark policy.  We
   are simply saying that lack of an EAN is, in itself, completely fine.

   Signed

   for the Debian Project  for Software in the Public Intere

=== email from trading platform support desk to a Debian vendor ===

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Le 18/08/2018 à 21:33, Martin Michlmayr a écrit :
> * Martin Michlmayr  [2018-07-07 00:52]:
>> I'm happy for SPI to sign this.  Can you please prepare the official
>> letter?
> Any update on this?
>

Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Le 03/05/2018 à 17:36, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>> Yes I understand. Just keep in mind that the letter is not public, just
>> for amazon staff. But well, I propose we try without explicit name and
>> see wether it is enough for Amazon.
> 
> I was thinking we would put it on our website.  That way any CD vendor
> with similar needs can use it.

Good idea. Lets see wether it is accepted, anyway if it is online I will
do a feedback about theirs.

Regards


> Ian.
> 
> 

Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Le 03/05/2018 à 13:30, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Martin Michlmayr writes ("Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI 
> heads-up"):
>>> Ian Jackson  [2018-05-02 16:42]:
 I'll discuss with the SPI board.
>>>
>>> When should we expect to hear from you ?
>>
>> I'm not sure.  I had a deadline a few days ago and I'm just catching
>> up on my TODO list.
>>
>> How urgent is this?
> 
> I don't know.  It has already been dragging on for a long time.

As the topic has been opened on 2017, I would be glad to finish it this
month if possible.

Thank you very much for all your work.

Regards


> Ian.
> 

Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Le 03/05/2018 à 13:40, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>> I saw the topic in quite progress last weeks ago. When do you think I could 
>> get
>> a signed letter, ideally mentioning explicitly Hypra?
> 
> I don't think it's likely that we would want to explicitly mention
> anyone in particular.  Is that necessary ?
> 
> We wouldn't want to give the impression of an endorsement.

Yes I understand. Just keep in mind that the letter is not public, just
for amazon staff. But well, I propose we try without explicit name and
see wether it is enough for Amazon.

Best regards,


> Ian.
> 

Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

I saw the topic in quite progress last weeks ago. When do you think I
could get a signed letter, ideally mentioning explicitly Hypra?

Thanks for your support

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Le 30/03/2018 à 16:36, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> Did I miss something about this topic? Any news?
>
> Best regards,
>
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> Le 27/08/2017 à 23:20, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> When could I give a signed letter under te form proposed here? Would
>> it be possible for September?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 11/08/2017 à 07:51, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> Just to be sure I ded not miss any message: does this thread has a
>>> follow-up after my reply? What would be the process to get a such
>>> doc with an official signatureN
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks very much
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 01/08/2017 à 19:36, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, indeed it may have been missed by my reading or whatever.
>>>> Excellent proposan Ian, thanks. I really think it can fix the situation
>>>> and, anyway, I am good with testing with Amazon staff.
>>>>
>>>> How do you want to proceed? Do you have an usual lawyer? Should I see
>>>> with a trusted organisation for Debian? Or is it enough for you to be
>>>> signed by a Debian representing, eg DPL?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 01/08/2017 à 13:31, Ben Finney a écrit :
>>>>> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe  writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my
>>>>>> inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me
>>>>>> it?
>>>>> It is in the mailing list archives
>>>>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/22911.8.678652.677...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may want to check whether some messages are being misdirected or
>>>>> lost on delivery to you.
>>>>>
>>>
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Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Did I miss something about this topic? Any news?

Best regards,

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Le 27/08/2017 à 23:20, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
>
> When could I give a signed letter under te form proposed here? Would
> it be possible for September?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Le 11/08/2017 à 07:51, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Just to be sure I ded not miss any message: does this thread has a
>> follow-up after my reply? What would be the process to get a such doc
>> with an official signatureN
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 01/08/2017 à 19:36, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks, indeed it may have been missed by my reading or whatever.
>>> Excellent proposan Ian, thanks. I really think it can fix the situation
>>> and, anyway, I am good with testing with Amazon staff.
>>>
>>> How do you want to proceed? Do you have an usual lawyer? Should I see
>>> with a trusted organisation for Debian? Or is it enough for you to be
>>> signed by a Debian representing, eg DPL?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 01/08/2017 à 13:31, Ben Finney a écrit :
>>>> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe  writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my
>>>>> inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me
>>>>> it?
>>>> It is in the mailing list archives
>>>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/22911.8.678652.677...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>.
>>>>
>>>> You may want to check whether some messages are being misdirected or
>>>> lost on delivery to you.
>>>>
>>
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Re : Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

- Ian Jackson  a écrit :
> Chris Lamb writes ("Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]"):
> > For some reason, I did not receive this. Thank you for following up.
> ...
> > I delegate to you :)
> 
> Thanks.  I will take care of it...

Glad this process is following. I follow carefully. I am available if any help 
is useful.

Regards

> 
> Ian.

Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,


When could I give a signed letter under te form proposed here? Would it
be possible for September?


Regards



Le 11/08/2017 à 07:51, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Just to be sure I ded not miss any message: does this thread has a
> follow-up after my reply? What would be the process to get a such doc
> with an official signatureN
>
>
> Thanks very much
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Le 01/08/2017 à 19:36, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks, indeed it may have been missed by my reading or whatever.
>> Excellent proposan Ian, thanks. I really think it can fix the situation
>> and, anyway, I am good with testing with Amazon staff.
>>
>> How do you want to proceed? Do you have an usual lawyer? Should I see
>> with a trusted organisation for Debian? Or is it enough for you to be
>> signed by a Debian representing, eg DPL?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Le 01/08/2017 à 13:31, Ben Finney a écrit :
>>> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe  writes:
>>>
>>>> Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my
>>>> inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me
>>>> it?
>>> It is in the mailing list archives
>>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/22911.8.678652.677...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>.
>>>
>>> You may want to check whether some messages are being misdirected or
>>> lost on delivery to you.
>>>
>
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Re: Welcome team progress, local groups interest

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Very happy with knowing the group exists and will progress. Welcome to
you! Personally I am very intetested in these matters as I think free
software is so much technical-focus, and not user enough. The result is
that our ethical is not growing up. There are technical things to fix
sure, but especially a political message to promote and which is not
understandable enough today. I think social contract in Debian gives
means to promote free software as a universal way to do computer,
provided computer is accessible regardless physical disability; and to
reach everyone, computing needs to be supported by hyman sciences (so
any techno should be provided with, if needed, easy ways to be supported
by someone, physically or remotely.

Hence some questions:
1. Should not Welcope team have a mailing list? IRC is mainly used by
geeks today
2. Should not Debian have an official Facebook group, to reach another
kind of users?
Idem for other social networks.

Sincerely


Le 11/08/2017 à 22:57, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> I am at DebConf 17 in Montreal (my first DebConf), it has been a
> fantastic week to meet many people I have interacted with online (or not).
> 
> My focus was on making the Welcome team progress and increase membership
> (welcome ClaraTrT!). After attending several BoFs and talking to many of
> you from differents places and backgrounds it appeared obvious there
> needs to be close collaboration and feedback between Welcome team,
> publicity, web and doc teams. I was lucky to be able to host a BoF and
> those who attended made suggestions and comments on the mission and
> objectives too.
> 
> As a result I joined the publicity team and will be contributing there
> as time permits. Over the next few days I will be getting in touch with
> all listed Local Groups on the wiki to let them know about this. It
> seems the most productive way to increase the awareness of Debian
> activity in this context (new users/contributors) is to sollicit the
> Local Groups to contribute news items and to translate and use the
> Welcome Team landing pages:
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/Welcome
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/Welcome/Users
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/Welcome/Contributors
> 
> For now this is on the wiki and I hope to learn more about the web team
> to contribute this more formally there. It's also a bit chaotic but I
> hope to apply all I learned and noted in the next few days. Anyone
> interested should be able to catch up with us on IRC (#debian-welcome) -
> or here, as appropriate.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Fabian
> 

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Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,


Just to be sure I ded not miss any message: does this thread has a
follow-up after my reply? What would be the process to get a such doc
with an official signatureN


Thanks very much


Best regards,



Le 01/08/2017 à 19:36, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> Thanks, indeed it may have been missed by my reading or whatever.
> Excellent proposan Ian, thanks. I really think it can fix the situation
> and, anyway, I am good with testing with Amazon staff.
>
> How do you want to proceed? Do you have an usual lawyer? Should I see
> with a trusted organisation for Debian? Or is it enough for you to be
> signed by a Debian representing, eg DPL?
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Le 01/08/2017 à 13:31, Ben Finney a écrit :
>> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe  writes:
>>
>>> Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my
>>> inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me
>>> it?
>> It is in the mailing list archives
>> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/22911.8.678652.677...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>.
>>
>> You may want to check whether some messages are being misdirected or
>> lost on delivery to you.
>>

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Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Thanks, indeed it may have been missed by my reading or whatever.
Excellent proposan Ian, thanks. I really think it can fix the situation
and, anyway, I am good with testing with Amazon staff.

How do you want to proceed? Do you have an usual lawyer? Should I see
with a trusted organisation for Debian? Or is it enough for you to be
signed by a Debian representing, eg DPL?

Best regards,


Le 01/08/2017 à 13:31, Ben Finney a écrit :
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe  writes:
> 
>> Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my
>> inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me
>> it?
> 
> It is in the mailing list archives
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/22911.8.678652.677...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>.
> 
> You may want to check whether some messages are being misdirected or
> lost on delivery to you.
> 

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Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,


Seems the Ian's mail was not posted on the list (I dont find it in my
inbox and in archives of the mailing list). Could someone forward me it?


Best regards



Le 01/08/2017 à 03:35, Ben Finney a écrit :
> Ian Jackson  writes:
>
>> Therefore I propose that we should write a letter (1).  Draft below.
> Thank you, this looks great.
>
>> https://www.debian.org/trademark). That policy doese not make any
>> requirement about EANs. Therefore (provided the the policy is adhered
>> to) we have no objection to Debian branded products being sold without
>> EANs.
> Typo: s/provided the the policy/provided that the policy/
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Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

Here is the mail I could get in English. It sums up the situation.

Best regards,



Le 27/07/2017 à 21:46, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>> Is it a problem if it is a French message?
> 
> I'll cope somehow :-).
> 
> Ian.
> 

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Re: Request for official help

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Le 25/07/2017 à 20:36, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Chris Lamb writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
>>> Run that through some legal advice, though.  If "we" (Debian, SPI, etc)
>>> get to be co-responsible for the actions of someone using our EANs with
>>> permission [in some relevant juridisction], it is best to not have them
>>> in the first place.
> 
> Henrique, can you please point me to the documentation about these
> exemption letters ?  I continue to think that this is perhaps the
> right route, but that your proposed letter wording is backwards.

Probably, hence my submission to the community.

> 
>> I'm inclined to agree… Jean-Phillipe, is there no other way you can
>> ship these images? I would be very happy to write/sign some kind of
>> "yeah this is really all fine" document but am wary of going doing
>> some kind of official EAN registration thing that might tie us to
>> .. well, who knows.
> 
> I think part of the problem here is the misunderstanding that Debian
> is the manufacturer here.  We are not (except in the very limited
> cases where Debian people make and sell Debian merchandise for
> Debian's funds).
> 
> EANs usually refer to specific manufactured products, from a specific
> manufacturer.  I don't think the EAN system is well set up for a
> situation where a particular product can be manufactured independently
> by multiple people.  (The products are presumably supposed to be
> more-or-less identical: but of course different manufacturers might
> use different DVD stock, or print with or without a picture on the
> front, etc.)

ok but this approach enables to ask a more fundamental question then. Is
Debian a trademark? If it is, Debian is the manufacturer of the Debian
ISOs, and then of the OS. So it should have EANs to enable others to
sell its OS on their support. If it is not, it means that, for example,
Hypra could say: Hypra is a trademark (there is all a pocess for it in
Amazon). From this trademark, we sell Debian products, which are from us
(manufacturer) and then we can ust freely the trademark. And sell hen
Debian-Hypra for example, eg Debian OS+DVD costomized by Hypra on their box.

But to sell on Amazon, it requires to be perfectly relevant: either
Debian is a trademark, and thus manufacturer and then needs to deal with
persons who sell it (either ith EANs, or without and letters to explain
that), or it is not, but then Debian can be used in any seller's trademark.

COncerning Hypra, of course, the second solution is excellent. But it is
not obvious, then I really am interested in your approach of the topic
which, indeed, will say how we deal with this EAN topic.

> So I think the "right" way for the EAN system to operate in this case,
> if it is to be operated at all, is for each manufacturer to get a
> different EAN for each product.  If manufacturers find registering
> with the EAN system too cumbersome then surely we can look into using
> our institutional resources to help.

The only problem of this is that payment is needed and I have to say I
am not fan of paying for EANs.

> Can someone show us the agreement we (or SPI or FFIS or some other TO)
> would have to sign if we were to become an issuer of EANs ?  Perhaps
> we can simply do that and have an easy way for a Debian vendor to get
> an EAN from our allocation.

Debian can subscribe each year, for 85 euros, to gs1.org (we need to
choose the country we want). Plus 100 euros, just once. It enables to:
- have an access to 100 or more EANs

85 euros is the anual cost for the organizations with less than 500K of
budget.

cf http://gs1.org for more information

> I'd also be interested to see what approach is taken for physical
> prints of 3D models, which have certain similarities to (say) Debian
> DVDs in this context.

I think such sellers have EAN, as their activity is mainly based on
products selling, and not only services, then it makes sense for them to
have such subscription and pay an anual cost for it.

Best regards,

> Thanks,
> Ian.
> 

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Re: Request for official help

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Le 25/07/2017 à 23:59, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>> The alternative is my initial proposal, more simple than others indeed:
>> mentioning in an official letter that Debian will not get any EAN in
>> next two years, and that Debian does not want Hypra to sell Debian
>> without EAN. It does mean that anybody else cannot do it (anybody which
>> want to sell with or without EAN do what they want), but not Hypra (and
>> we agree of course), and it gives me the required base to request an EAN
>> exemption to Amazon.
> 
> Can you please point me to the documentation you are reading about
> these letters ?

hmm I requested it, but they have no public URL for it. It is just a
request they do per e-mail. I can produce a screenshot of mail il you want.

regards,

> Ian.
> 
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Re: Request for official help

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Hi,

Is it a problem if it is a French message?

Best regards


Le 27/07/2017 à 21:12, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>> Le 25/07/2017 à 23:59, Ian Jackson a écrit :
>>> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>>> Can you please point me to the documentation you are reading about
>>> these letters ?
>>
>> hmm I requested it, but they have no public URL for it. It is just a
>> request they do per e-mail. I can produce a screenshot of mail il you want.
> 
> Can you forward me the email ?  Privately if you like.
> 
> Ian.
> 

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Re: Request for official help

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Le 25/07/2017 à 19:49, Chris Lamb a écrit :
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> 
>> Run that through some legal advice, though.  If "we" (Debian, SPI, etc)
>> get to be co-responsible for the actions of someone using our EANs with
>> permission [in some relevant juridisction], it is best to not have them
>> in the first place.
> 
> I'm inclined to agree…  Jean-Phillipe, is there no other way you can ship
> these images? I would be very happy to write/sign some kind of "yeah this
> is really all fine" document but am wary of going doing some kind of
> official EAN registration thing that might tie us to .. well, who knows.

The alternative is my initial proposal, more simple than others indeed:
mentioning in an official letter that Debian will not get any EAN in
next two years, and that Debian does not want Hypra to sell Debian
without EAN. It does mean that anybody else cannot do it (anybody which
want to sell with or without EAN do what they want), but not Hypra (and
we agree of course), and it gives me the required base to request an EAN
exemption to Amazon.

Best regards,

> 
> Regards,
> 

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Re : Re: Request for official help

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Hi,

I agree with this. I think we mainly should create EANs for live DVDs and 
CD/DVD1 of installer, for some architectures only, then on-demand.

THe fact is that if I understand what I read about EANs, it would have not 
additional cost for Debian, just some time. Once the framework done 
(subscription to the service), I can help for generating EANs for Debian 
releases from the official images available in the archive.

What are the next steps if the project agrees with this? Should I help? How can 
I make things easier? Do you want me to find an international service for EANs 
and submit it just to make a Debian folk do the subscription with appropiate 
delegations to pay and declare Debian?

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- Wouter Verhelst  a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 04:39:21PM +0200, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> > Right but if Debian could subscribe to such service, it could freely
> > generate as EANs as needed for their releases, installers, liveDVDs. But
> > indeed, maybe it is not the easiest solution.
> 
> I think it does make sense to have EANs for Debian, but perhaps it isn't
> necessary to have an EAN for *everything* we produce.
> 
> E.g., we could have:
> 
> - An EAN for CD1, DVD1, and BD1 for every architecture,
> - An EAN for the various live images
> - An EAN for "the full set" of DVD and BD images
> 
> There's no need to have an EAN for, say, the armel DVD#10 or some such.
> 
> Alternatively, we could assign EANs on a by-request basis; if a media
> vendor wants to sell a particular (set of) image(s) on amazon or some
> other such site that doesn't have an EAN yet, provide a contact for them
> to request an EAN for that set.
> 
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Re: Request for official help

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,


Le 20/07/2017 à 13:52, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe writes ("Re: Request for official help"):
>> Any vendor then has threee solutions:
>>
>> 1. Getting from Debian an official letter (see attached template) to
>> say: a) we don't want any seller to send Debian without an EAN on a
>> marketplace; b) we will not get our own EANs in the next two
>> years. Such letter enable vendor to request for an EAN exemption
>> laid on it.
> 
> This is odd.  Are you sure about this - or have you dropped a "not"
> somewhere ?

Yes, as confirmed by Russel. When you submit a produt, they want EAN or
EAN exemption number provided by them provided the trademark lets you
sell without EAN.

> If Debian did not want you to sell without an EAN then why would that
> mean you should get an EAN exemption allowing you to sell without an
> EAN ?

Because the automated system requires EAN and exemption requires to have
trademark registered or, for distributors, such a document from the
trademark owners.

> 
> That seems backwards.
> 
> Currently I don't think Debian has an opinion about EANs but it is not
> likely that Debian will issue a statement saying that we do not wish
> things sold without EANs.  After all, in fact, we are quite happy for
> people to sell Debian CDs etc and we want to encourage that - EAN or
> no EASure, that is why I suggest a nominative project, so that just Hypra 
> would be affected, and others do what they want. This approach introduces 
> flexibility.

> 
> It is not part of our role to make statements supporting (or opposing)
> the EAN system.  OTOH we should do what we can to make it easy for
> people who want to use such a system wrt physical artefacts embodying
> or related to Debian.

Yes. Hence an individual proposal, a template, instead of a general
statement aginst EANs.

> 
>> 2. Buying an EAN, but it does not worth to sell several things (eg
>> architecture, live, installers, etc).
> 
> Why are EANs expensive ?  Is it that getting an EAN prefix is
> expensive ?  Are there not arrangements for subdelegation ?

Well it implies an annual subscription, administrative registrations,
etc. So it is a cost, but maybe it is the only solution: the seller
should get an EAN or just not sell on such marketplaces.

> Also, is it really the case that Amazon Marketplace requires
> everything sold to have an EAN ?  That seems quite unlikely.  There
> must be lots and lots of small manufacturing (not to say "craft")
> businesses who don't engage with this bureaucracy.

Unfortunately, it is. Either EAN, either exempted numbers, either
registered trademarks.

>> 3. Getting an EAN from Debian organization itself, eg. on
>>
>> www.gs1.fr. Debian thus would pay for EANs for his releases, etc, and 
>> vendors would use them to sell Debian medias. But would be somewhat 
>> expensive and not sure it is useful and project-compliant.
> 
> I don't think there should be a single EAN for multiple different
> physical manufacturing chains even if notionally-identical bits,
> particularly as Debian would have no way of verifying or controlling
> the content.  So this does not work.

Right but if Debian could subscribe to such service, it could freely
generate as EANs as needed for their releases, installers, liveDVDs. But
indeed, maybe it is not the easiest solution.

Regards

> Ian.
> 
> 

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Re: Request for official help

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>> 3. Getting an EAN from Debian organization itself
> Just out of interest, how much is this?

hmmm according to what I see, for professionals (so I dont know what
about non-profit organiations):
- first subscription: 100 + 85 euros
- anual cost: 85 euros

It opens a right to an infinite number of EAN.

Best regards

>
> Regards,
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Re: Request for official help

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Hi,


As a Debian DVD vendor, I would like to submit you a situation.


Any vendor trying to sell on Amzon marketplace needs to bind an EAN with
a product. Selling on Amazon is a good idea to promote Debian and its
releases anywhere on the Web, even for desktop releases I think.


Any vendor then has threee solutions:

1. Getting from Debian an official letter (see attached template) to
say: a) we don't want any seller to send Debian without an EAN on a
marketplace; b) we will not get our own EANs in the next two years. Such
letter enable vendor to request for an EAN exemption laid on it.


2. Buying an EAN, but it does not worth to sell several things (eg
architecture, live, installers, etc).


3. Getting an EAN from Debian organization itself, eg. on

www.gs1.fr. Debian thus would pay for EANs for his releases, etc, and vendors 
would use them to sell Debian medias. But would be somewhat expensive and not 
sure it is useful and project-compliant.

Hence I propose to adopt the first solution. Costless for anyone, just require 
the DPL signature. I see benefits and not countrparts. Of course, any seller 
with a such doc would not have any exclusive right on the selling.

If you agree, could you validate the atached project, which would be for Hypra 
in our case, and a template for any future similar request? So that the letter 
be officially signed, eg by the DPL. Dont hesitate to improve the writing, I 
really am not good in this kind of official English writing.

NOTE: this has no consequence on the fact a part of the price may be given to 
Debian as a donation, it would increase this capability. So I think it is a 
good idea, hence why I would like to sell Debian on Amazon via Hypra.

Best regards,


Le 19/07/2017 à 20:39, Chris Lamb a écrit :
> Dear Jean-Philippe,
>
> Thanks for your reply and clarification. I think the next step would
> be to run this past some other folks.
>
> Indeed, this is something you could do yourself; perhaps you could
> rewrite your original mail to the debian-project mailing list?
>
> Please add in the clarification regarding the query I had regarding
> exclusivity, etc.
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Regards,
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Re : question precise

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Bonjour,

- Sartorelli Sergio  a écrit :
> Bonjour. J'aimerai savoir si il existe Debian complètement en français ? 

Le français est l'une des langues la mieux supportées chez Debian avec 
l'anglais, avec un  taux de traduction proche de 100 % (voire de 100 %). Donc 
oui, Debian peut être considéré comme complètement en français.

> Exemple: UBUNTU en français contient 85 % d'Anglais, cela est très 
> désagréable. Lorsque on télécharge une application UBUNTU ne l'accepte 
> pas et qui plus est donne  ces commantaires en Anglais et vous ? Merci 

Demandez sur une liste Ubuntu, cette liste concerne exclusivement Debian. En 
tout cas le problème que vous décrivez n'est pas normal. Ubuntu est bel et bien 
en français également, d'autant qu'elle est basée sur Debian. Ce que vous 
décrivez semble relever d'un paquet qui vous manque. Regardez dans les 
paramètres linguistiques ou vérifiez que les paquets Ubuntu pour le français 
sont présents.

Après quant au refus d'application, c'est à voir avec la communauté ubuntu en 
détails.

Cordialement,


> de me répondre.
> 

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Le 17/01/2016 00:31, Stephan Foley a écrit :
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 6:20 AM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
>  wrote:
>
>> The main difference between Debian and Ubuntu is that the installer is
>> less friendly-user, and the firmware are not loaded by default. But I
>> think Debian is really the Universal Operating System. And it's the
>> characterization I prefer: saying this, it shows how Debian is for
>> anybody. But if one is not a technician, it could need help, of course.
>> But 1st, it matches to the collaborative state of spirit in free
>> software. 2nd, if paid, it enables to finance free software dev. 3rd,
>> never forget that any OS, included proprietary ones, would be difficult
>> to install if not provided in computers. Installing an OS and having all
>> benefits is not easy for a non-technician, also with Ubuntu.
>
> I do respect all the qualities you mentioned about Debian's commitment
> to only free software, although it does make installing more
> difficult.

Right. However, the driver issue exists also on other OS, even modern
(including Windows XP and newer). So this problem, while existing, is
not Debian-specific. That's why I think Debian needs to be considered as
a classical OS, easy to use once installed, some9hat hard to install
like any OS, and more stable in the time and with few risk updates.

Regards,

Re: Would you agree - Debian is for the tech savvy

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hello,

I don't know what is this characterization for, but I don't like it very
much. Indeed, it would make more difficult to explain, as I do with
Hypra or free software promotion organizations, that Debian is the best
solution for a universally accessible operating system (and I'm sure it
is). Moreover, it wouldn't be exact, in my opinion.

The main difference between Debian and Ubuntu is that the installer is
less friendly-user, and the firmware are not loaded by default. But I
think Debian is really the Universal Operating System. And it's the
characterization I prefer: saying this, it shows how Debian is for
anybody. But if one is not a technician, it could need help, of course.
But 1st, it matches to the collaborative state of spirit in free
software. 2nd, if paid, it enables to finance free software dev. 3rd,
never forget that any OS, included proprietary ones, would be difficult
to install if not provided in computers. Installing an OS and having all
benefits is not easy for a non-technician, also with Ubuntu.

So really, I wouldn't like such characte!ization if a communication
would be done on it. In my opinion, "the Universal OS" is fine, or "the
multilevels system", or "the system you desire" (as we can use it on
little or powerful machines, for server or end-user desktop, etc. Or "a
base for any usage in free software".

Regards,


Le 16/01/2016 04:48, Stephan Foley a écrit :
> Hello, I'm trying to characterize Debian and have the following:
> 
> Debian is for the tech savvy sys admin type and the server market
> 
> Is this a good characterization or am I off base?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 

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Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Hi,

I don't know if it's wise to include that by default, but I remember 
that today, MATE is quite accessible. Not perfet, yes, but slight, 
customizable, and with Compiz which can run on it with all its features. 
Gnome is heavy for some machines and much less customizable in colours, 
objects size, etc. So I think the question should be considered. All the 
more as if it is, it will support its maintainance upstream and in 
Debian, to improve things. Here, it's much slighter than GNOME.


However, indeed, I'm not sure XFCE is the good solution, likely not for 
a11y anyway.


Regards,

Le 08/08/2014 17:23, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :

Quoting Samuel Thibault (2014-08-08 16:19:28)

Jonas Smedegaard, le Fri 08 Aug 2014 16:11:58 +0200, a écrit :

The following is on a wheezy chroot:

root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-gnome-desktop
The following NEW packages will be installed:
[...]
Need to get 370 MB of archives. After unpacking 1099 MB will be used.

root@bastian:/# aptitude install task-xfce-desktop
The following NEW packages will be installed:
[...]
Need to get 115 MB of archives. After unpacking 348 MB will be used.

Desktop needing 370MB versus 115MB seems pretty significant to me.

Actually it's 1.1GiB versus 348MiB. But that is barring the rest of
the desktop.

If the concern was e.g. price of harddisk to install on, then the
finally used disk space be the measure.

...but the concern I raised is bandwidth for packages to be installed -
which over-simplified can be expressed as "does it fit on a CD?".

Numbers for Sid (in a chroot for task package, not for a full install),
is 389MB versus 101MB.



More precise measurements can be found in the installation manual, for
which we also install task-desktop etc. which ends up with 3.2GiB for
Gnome & KDE, 2.3GiB for XFCE, 2GiB for LXDE.

I believe (but haven't checked) that installation manual don't document
bandwidth needs - in the past users could simply assume "a single
desktop fits on first CD".


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