On the Anti Harassment Team
During DebConf17 there was a BOF about the Anti-Harassment team. You can find links to slides, text, video and collaborative pad of the discussion in our wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/AntiHarassment . We presented a status report of the issues that had been handled during the past year as well as invited participants to comment on some questions related to the team. These are the conclusions from that discussion. 1) Scope and Powers: the team is in charge of mediating between developers but doesn't have any actual powers, it can only recommend actions to other delegates (listmasters, DAM, etc), but it's on the delegates to take action. There are advantages and disadvantages to this model, but after discussing it, we ended up deciding to keep going as we are. 2) Activity reporting: we plan to do an annual or semi-annual report to the project, similar to the one presented in the BOF. 3) Members: the job that our team does is quite taxing and in order to be responsive we would like to have new members, and work on a rotational basis (i.e. two or three years of term, not forever) to avoid burn-out. Additionally, we believe that we need extra training to be better prepared to handling issues, this is something that we want to work on. 4) Name: we find that "anti harassment" is not a great name both because it's negative and because it puts people on edge when we contact them. We asked people to suggest other names. The current best suggestion that we have is "Respect & Inclusion team" with resp...@debian.org as the alias (not created yet). This discussion is still open and we welcome other suggestions and ideas (contact us via antiharassm...@debian.org ). Let's keep being excellent to each other, Laura & Marga from the Anti-Harassment team
MiniDebConf in Barcelona - March 15 & 16 2014
MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona == Debian Women is proud to announce that it will hold a MiniDebConf in Barcelona on 15-16 March 2014, where Debian enthusiasts from far and wide will gather to talk about the latest Debian changes and the Debian community, as well as to meet new and old friends. http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org The MiniDebConf is fast approaching, be sure to make your travel arrangements! It is going to be an exciting event, in a beautiful venue, in one of the most famous European cities! http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org/venue.shtml Schedule A draft schedule (still subject to some last minute changes) is already available. The list of talks promises two days packed with great talks! https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Talks If you have an exciting idea for a talk, but missed the deadline, please get in touch with us, we might still have a slot for you: propos...@bcn2014.mini.debconf.org Crowd-funding - We are still raising funds to cover the costs of running the conference and to offer travel sponsorship to people who can't pay for it. Please, consider donating any amount you can, everything helps! http://freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/427/ Sponsorship --- If you want to attend the conference, but are unable to cover the costs. Please contact us! We don't have a big budget, but we will make our best to help. Naturally, priority will be given to participants who have an accepted talk. About this MiniDebConf -- We want to have a MiniDebConf with both talks and social events, to which everyone in Debian is invited but where the speakers in the talks are all people who identify themselves as female. We consider this important to: * Encourage women who haven't yet given their first DebConf talk * Provide role models for women who are interested in contributing * Debunk the myth that there are not enough women who can give talks in DebConf The idea behind the conference is not to talk about women in free software, or women in Debian, but rather to make discussion about Debian subjects more inclusive for women. If you agree with this goal, spread the word. Forward this announcement and help us make this event a great success! About our sponsors -- This event is possible thanks to the help provided by our generous sponsors. In particular, we'd like to thank our platinum sponsor, Google. We hope to see you in Barcelona! For more information, visit http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org -- Regards, Marga signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let's resurrect Debian Weekly News (act the second)
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > As you might remember, we once had a weekly newsletter informing our > users and our fellow developers, what was going on in the "Debian > Universe". That was cool and we want to have these time back! The Debian Weekly News was great because it kept everyone informed of a lot of stuff happening in Debian, packages, mailing lists, blogs, etc. Currently, there's http://news.debian.net, which does not have _all_ the info that the DWN used to have, but it's doing a good job of listing a lot of interesting stuff. Keeping up with the news is a lot of work, and there's usually not enough people to do it. It doesn't make sense to do the work twice. Why not work together with Ana into making this website and the DWN newsletter two ways of accessing the same information? I know that a blog is not the same thing as a weekly (or bimonthly) newsletter, but I'm sure that a workflow that avoids doing the same task twice can be worked out, and it would be a benefit for everyone involved. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/t2se8bbf0361004010753xfce6a6afpc30b1e35c21d6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: On cadence and collaboration
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > The proposal as I understood it was that in December, the key component > maintainers / release managers from all interested distributions would > discuss, on a public mailing list, their plans for the base versions of > those components in their 2010 releases. Well, this is not the proposal as it was announced, and this is definitely not what we understand as "freeze" in Debian. In Debian, "freezing" in December means that no new versions enter testing after the freeze begins. I think the proposal as you word it would be fine, since this would probably mean freezing later on. Maybe March or so. This would make much more sense, from my point of view. But this is NOT what was announced and communicated to us. > The rough guide I heard was that, if we looked at the list in December, we'd > probably be able to agree on things like the default versions of Python, > Perl, X and GCC, but that it might be harder on kernel, GNOME and KDE. > That's OK by me - whatever consensus *does* emerge from the process is a win > that we otherwise would not have. Some teams may not be ready for the > discussion, some might be. That's OK too. I don't think it makes sense to rush our release as much as it's being proposed only to finish with different versions of big components. I understand that GCC and X are important, but I don't think all the hard work makes sense unless we can also sync the desktops. > The difference in our language is about the meaning of "freeze" in December. > I think December is not about actually freezing, it's about reviewing and > planning and looking for opportunities. Certainly, I think the Debian team > will want to freeze some things very early (December!), but some maintainer > teams may well be willing to commit to using something that will freeze a > little later, especially if they can collaborate well with Ubuntu on those > packages. That's not how it has worked in the past. We've had some scaled freeze, freezing the toolchain first and the rest of the packages afterwards, but it's never been "some maintainer teams" who decided what was frozen and what wasn't, it's always been the Release Team. And the Release Team has said that they'd rather not do the scaled freeze this time, they'd rather just do one freeze, and get it over fast. I think that there is a significant difference on how Debian and Ubuntu work towards a release which means that speaking about a "December freeze" has very different consequences on each distribution. So, maybe we need to change the terms, so that we are both speaking about the same thing. > It's true that Decembers a fractured month, and it would arguably be better > to do heavy lifting in another month. I imagine the main work will really be > Feb-March, once the decisions are final and widely communicated. Again, this was not what was announced, it's not what we were expecting after the "We freeze in December" plan. I personally wouldn't object to a general "let's decide what we want in our distro" discussion in December, as long as the freeze is done after those components have been included. That means that if we want March's GNOME, we would have to freeze in April. If we (as in Debian) freeze in December, then there's absolutely nothing to discuss. We already know what we are going to ship. Finally, the whole idea of the time based freezes was to know when we were going to freeze, so that maintainers could work towards that. If the freeze date is decided in the December discussions, then we are back to the current (or past) model, of freezing at some unknown point. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: On cadence and collaboration
Hi! Mark, thanks for the mail and the many things said. I have basically one important point that I'd like you to answer. On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > To achieve anything together, we'll both need to work together, we'll need > to make compromises or we'll need to contribute effort to the other side. If > the Debian community is willing to consider a December freeze, then Ubuntu > (and Canonical) will commit resources to help Debian meet that goal. If Debian commits to a December freeze, would that mean that Ubuntu commits to releasing 10.04 with KDE 4.3 (already released) and GNOME 2.28 (to be released in a few months), instead of KDE 4.4 (to be released in January) and GNOME 2.30 (to be released in March)? This has been one of the main concerns of the December freeze, apart from the fact that we wouldn't meet our release goals, that you are suggesting how to solve. Ubuntu has shown in the past a tendency to ship with the latest versions of software. In the case of GNOME, the freeze in Ubuntu usually happens before GNOME is even released, and yet the latest GNOME goes into the release. So, how would that work in this case? It is my opinion that freezing after GNOME releases (and gets into testing) would be better for Debian. This means either April or October, depending on which GNOME release we want to ship. If we think, for real, that December is the best month of the year to freeze (I definitely don't), then we would need to somehow convince both GNOME and KDE (and then other upstreams as well) to release in October/November. It's not that much of a change for GNOME, but I don't see this happening this year for KDE. Maybe next year, if this is planned well in advance. But why December? December is a very nasty month to do important things, people go on holidays, stay away from their computers for one, two or more weeks. If anything, I think December is the worst month to plan for a freeze. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian redesign
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > We discussed that quite extensively with Guido during last dinner, and I > totally share his opinion. Sounds like a very well performed marketing > campaign. Again: thanks, Agnieszka. One that will make a statement that women in Debian should always wear deep cleavages, and men in Debian have sex with their laptops. Nice... I'm sorry, but I really can't accept this. It's not that "some people might get offended", it's that some people ALREADY feel uncomfortable about the message being sent. Don't get me wrong, I do like the drawings, and I congratulate pixelgirl on her job, if it's only for her thesis. Also, I do consider that having some campaign like this would be nice. But PLEASE, not with this message. And please don't tell me that if I don't like it, then I'm free not to use the posters myself, cause I'm a part of Debian, and if a campaign that is supposed to promote Debian goes against my principles I can't simply ignore it. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian redesign
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > Nice. Now we have two approaches on redesigning parts of Debian. > I do like the design as proposed by Kalle somewhat better. I don't think the designs are mutually exclusive. The new logo and the general style proposed by pixelgirl can be applied to the work already done by Kalle, to obtain a complete new image. On the other hand, I have to voice my concerns about the image campaign. I have already mailed her privately and ask her to modify them a bit, to remove some bits that wouldn't transmit the right idea about Debian, but I want to also state my opinion publicly, not to flame her, but to be able to hear what other people have to say about this. Discussing about this on irc, some people seemed to agree with my view that the female images are too sexual, and that the image of the notebook on the pillow is disturbing. Some other people seemed to think that I was exaggerating and being stubborn about wanting these issues, and that if I had a problem with them, I could just not use them. While I think that the posters are beutifully made, and I get some of the jokes intended, I think that for us to use these images, as wallpapers, or t-shirt images, or the like, we should make sure that they transmit the right ideas about Debian. I don't think that they currently do. If I'm wrong and the rest of the project thinks they do, please let me know. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Developer Status
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We plan to integrate DM more closely into the NM process/system > while keeping the spirit of easing entry into Debian for newcomers. > At the same time we add a separate track for less-technical > contributors. I have been wanting this for a long time, I totally agree with what's in the mail, and I'm really happy that this has been thought about and written about, however, I'm quite disappointed on this being informed as a done thing, without the project as a whole being asked for an opinion. It would have been better if this had been presented as a DEP, a GR, or something like that. :-\ I know that DAM's and Front Desk and the like and in charge of accounts, but creating 2 new categories for people to participate in is quite a change, and I think the whole project should be involved in such a decision, as we were involved in the decision regarding Debian Maintainers. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Weekly News - November 28th, 2006
On 12/6/06, Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DDs are the legislative That doesn't make sense, either. The legislature is a subset of the population, elected to act on behalf of the population. DDs are the population. Uhm, that seems a bit DD-centric to me. Debian is not only about DDs, you know. There are *users* who are not DDs. So, the population would be all the people that use Debian, be it DDs or not. So, in that sense, the DDs might be legislative, in the sense that we make the rules, and the users have to live with them, and some times we take into account the users' wishes and change this or that according to them. We don't legislate much, though, so I think that calling it the "legislative" power is a bit of a stretch. -- Besos, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Problemas de instalacion
* Redirecting to debian-user-spanish * On 10/1/06, manuel cadierno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: buenas tardes, soy un newbie en esto de linux. Me gustaría si podría ayudarme porque no soy capaz de activar la aplicación fan para activar el ventilador en mi portátil toshiba modelo Satellite SA-50 110. El paquete toshset está instalado pero no sé cómo activar el ventilador. Si me puede echar una mano lo agradecería. Manuel, la lista a la que escribiste (debian-project) es una lista en la que se habla exclusivamente en inglés, y sobre temas que conciernen al proyecto Debian. Para solicitar ayuda, por favor hacelo a la lista de usuarios de Debian en español: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/ -- Besos, Marga
Re: Nome
Debian project: Tulio asked what was the origin of Debian's name. I'm telling him to not use debian-project for this, and also pointing him to the answer in the web pages. On 9/24/06, Tulio de Melo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A lista à que você escrebeu e uma lista na que se fala em inglês. Por favor, nao escreva em português nessa lista. Se você tem perguntas sobre Debian e quere face-las, por favor, faca-las na lista http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/ Qual o significado do nome Debian? Tem alguma coisa a ver com Demônio, essas coisas? Valew! http://www.debian.org/intro/about.pt.html#history: "Já que muitas pessoas perguntaram, Debian é pronunciado /ˈde.bi.ən/. O nome vem do nome de seu criador, Ian Murdock, e sua esposa, Debra." -- Besos, Marga
Re: irc.debian.org
On 4/30/06, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thoughts? I'm in favour as well. -- Besos, Marga
Re: Reforming the NM process
On 4/11/06, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2.1 Multiple advocates > -- I agree with the rest of the suggestions, but I'm not sure that I agree with this one... I can think of two cases where this could be an unnecessary problem to someone who does actually contribute: 1) Someone who maintains a certain number of packages, but they are all sponsored by the same person. This person might be doing a lot of work, and be knowledgeable about Debian without interacting actively with anyone else apart from his/her sponsor... 2) Someone who does not have a fixed sponsor, but sends mails to -mentors asking for uploads whenever they need one. This person's work won't be appreciated by all of his/her sponsors, because they'd only see one of those packages, and not all the work done... (In this case, it's even difficult to get an advocate at all) Maybe we could ask for a more comprehensive advocation, that includes what contributions the applicant has made, and why would he/she be worthy of Debian. I don't think that increasing the number of advocates would be the solution. As I said, I do agree with all the rest of the suggestions. -- Besos, Marga
Re: Setting up i18n.debian.org?
On 3/28/06, Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ubuntus' Rosetta is non-free but perhaps this might be a promising > > replacement. If we set up something like this as a central place for > > translations, it might be very useful for people who wish to contribute to > > the i18n of Debian. What do you think? > > I was also informed of pootle (http://translate.sourceforge.net/) which is > another free option. I've been looking at pootle, and I think it's really promising. It needs a bit of adapting in order to fulfill Debian's particular need, but I think it is a very good candidate to start working from. I think it would be great if Debian had this "service", since it would allow a _LOT_ of people who want to help Debian but lack the skills to participate and actually _help_. -- Besos, Marga
Re: Private copies of list replies
On 3/13/06, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11 Mar 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg stated: > > Thunderbird, as well as many other MUAs doesn't allow you to set > > arbitrary headers, including M-F-T. > I guess it is time to move to a more capable MUA, no? Thunderbird is a very respected MUA. There's a big group of people who don't feel comfortable writing mails from mutt (or the like), and I don't think it's such a good idea to take into account only people who can use a console-client to be able to receive a reply on a mailing-list. We are not talking about developers, we are talking about anyone who needs to send a mail to a mailing-list and get a reply. Also, it's not like we are discussing about mailers for a propietary OS, but it's a free mailer that works inside Debian. I think that we need to take a bit more consideration for people who are not so technically-able but that might still have something to say, or rather, something to get answers to. Also, the list policy says that you don't send CCs by default, but that you'll send a CC if asked to, so I'd say it's pretty much our job to make sure that the mail goes where it should. -- Besos, Marga
Re: For those who care about stable updates
On 3/9/06, Thaddeus H. Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but I want Joey not James. Like you, James has > invested thousands of hours in Debian, but Joey's own > thousands count no less. Thaddeus, I think that you've made a terrible mistake with the mail you've sent. You've reacted with anger, mixing your own experiences with those that you had just read in a piece of mail. James Troup may be guilty of many things, but I believe he was not the reason why Joey decided to resign as SRM. Maybe if you let a couple of hours go, you'll realize that your reaction was rushed and that you should have put a bit more of rational thought in the mail you were writing. For the next time, it would be better if before asking the DPL to relieve a fellow developer from his duties and making such a big plea as you've made, you'd consider hearing all the different sides of the story, taking into account the many additional factors, and then -and only then- write such a petition. -- Respectfully, Marga
Re: Debian Women Software Freedom Day activities
On 9/8/05, Anthony Towns wrote: > To claim a bug, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with something like: > >user [EMAIL PROTECTED] >usertag 123456 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > to claim a bug, and > >http://bugs.debian.org/usertag:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > to view claimed bugs. Maybe the existing tags (I imported them last > weekend) should be cleared, at least from the unfixed bugs? How about some url that shows all the RC bugs, and shows which of those are tagged by [EMAIL PROTECTED] and which aren't? I tried to do this myself, but I still don't have the needed expertise on BTS urls. -- Besos, Marga
