Re: NM = good, DD = bad
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 17:37 +0200, Bruno Brandris wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:19:50 +0200
> Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Your mails are not helpful and you're showing the SvenLuther pattern.
>
> Every time when the Debian project bites me and I punch back, so I dont
> take too much aggressions back with me to real life, then I unwillingly
> hit a few of the good guys also.
That could be a part of your problem: This is real life. This isn't a
video game, you're dealing with real people.
> I am sorry for that, Joey.
>
> But to be helpful in this community it requires more than super cow
> powers. The job of the DPL is obviously limited to serving the cabal as
> comedian.
> And the cabal needs more than that for entertainment, because the
> development work alone does not create genuine happyness as it seems.
{{fact}}
> So we are once again back to an old topic:
> Why does a community _need_ black sheep like Sven Luther and me?
I submit to you that we don't. We need intelligent, reasonable people
who are willing to speak their case at full and provide confirmable
details if they have a problem. The method you seem to have picked
instead is to accuse people of this and that in opinion wrapped in a
metaphor, then demanding that be fixed. Perhaps if what you were trying
to accomplish didn't seem like a non-sequitor to reasonably intelligent,
rational people, you might get farther.
--
Paul Johnson
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Re: Open Invention Network
On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 23:54 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Steve McIntyre: > > > I've been approached by the Open Invention Network[1]. They're asking > > if Debian would like to join as an organisation to "protect our work > > and support open access to intellectual property". I'm not sure either > > way myself, so I thought I'd ask for comments here. Any thoughts? > > I guess they aren't aware that Debian doesn't hold any assests, > intellectual property or otherwise. Perhaps you could try to clarify > that. I'm pretty sure that afterwards, they will withdraw their offer > to join. Shouldn't they approach SPI instead? -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Getting Spidered and Spammed via Debian
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 09:25 -0400, Stuart Cudlitz wrote: > I admire your work but I am getting spidered and spammed with > pornographic material via your data base and users. The listmasters do try to keep the filters tuned. The way to report spam via Debian lists is to find it in the list archive, and click on the report-as-spam link. I strongly recommend you install bogofilter, spamassassin or similar software and use a mail client aware of those tools (such as evolution), or learn how to use them via procmail and pipes. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Happy with Debian
On Sat, 2008-06-14 at 12:02 -0700, Joshua Kubli wrote: > I am mostly a Linux noob. I work in IT, but my main Linux exposure has > been taking a 1-term college class on Red Hat 9, and another on > Solaris. AFAICT, Solaris doesn't currently nor has previously used the Linux kernel: Solaris is not Linux. > After torrenting the 4 DVDs, the installation procedure was simple and > straightforward, the package selection truly amazing (even if it is 4 > DVDs :) ). If you used 4 DVDs and you have a high speed internet connection, you clearly failed to follow the directions that would have pointed you to a ~30 MB CD image that would have accomplished the same thing. :o) > If I can get NDiswrapper to work with my laptop's onboard or USB > wireless cards, then it will most likely be goodbye to Windows > forever. Why not buy/trade adapters that work with the software you use, rather than the other way around? -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Stephen R Laniel wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >> Please quit top posting. > > Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which > surely needs much improvement but will hopefully go some way > toward making the top-posting "debate" -- which is surely > the least interesting debate in the history of computing -- > go away: > > http://laniels.org/scripts/top_post_fixer.pl.txt I'm not sure that will make it go away: Social problems cannot be solved through technological means. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Floris Bruynooghe wrote: > On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:40:52PM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: >> On Sam, 27 Jan 2007, Piotr Dziubinski wrote: >> > Iceweasel and Firefox are a different products, very similar, but >> > different. >> >> Can YOU please explain me what *important* differences there are? > [...] >> Otherwise I would like to see what kind of OPERATIONAL difference you >> have found: > > There is actually an operational difference. In the about:config page > the setting general.useragent.extra.firefox is set to > "Iceweasel/2.0.0.1". Looks harmless, but it stopped me from logging > on to a website. It would only let me in when I set it to > "Firefox/2.0.0". Might want to let the webmaster know about W3C standards and explain why following them strictly is a better idea than anal-retentive User-Agent string checking, while you're at it. Bonus points if you know the direct email address to that webmaster's boss. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!
Please don't top post, we all read English in chronological (not random) order. http://wiki.ursine.ca/Best_Online_Quoting_Practices Piotr Dziubinski wrote: > Only Etch supports amd64, so I was forced to use Etch. > > Command I have used: > apt-get install firefox > > NOT > apt-get install iceweasel > > I knew exactly what I was doing, because my friend told me that there will > be no longer firefox in debian, instead of it will be iceweasel, so I was > curious what will happen after typing: > apt-get install firefox > > There is no longer firefox in debian etch, so after typing: > apt-get install firefox > I would like to see announcement: Firefox packages are no longer present > in debian distribution, please try iceweasel. > > Do you see a difference? You could have cancelled and looked into why that is. iceweasel provides firefox because it *is* firefox. There is no functional difference between firefox and iceweasel. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. > I don't use aptitude, because I prefer command line. Aptitude can be used from the command line instead. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?
On Tuesday 29 August 2006 10:17, martin f krafft wrote: > I'd be interested in what people think. Am I just overreacting? Ironically, suggesting Debian is immature is in itself childish, especially to pitch a product with zero track record to date. That aside, they give the impression that they're just doing a cut-and-run on the process instead of being part of the cure. > Should we do anything about this? If so, what? Perhaps ask them kindly to either contribute their work back to Debian, or stop using "Debian" in their advertising and packaging. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpS9zbCdKDsD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: No more bugreports from me.
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 03:22, Magnus Berg wrote: > But then the administrator doesn't remove my mail address on request I get > real angry. If you ever share your email address unmunged with anyone, anywhere in any capacity, consider that the spammers probably already do anyway. > Now I suggest that that a script change all e-mail addresses, in all > incoming bugreports, to links that hide the e-mail address. Thus delaying the inevitable and making it a pain in the ass for real people who might have a real reason to email you. You can't make it harder for spammers to get your email address even if you are making it harder for real people to email you, it just doesn't work like that. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://jabber.ursine.ca/ pgpvO912avX5t.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 06:10, Dawn Russo wrote: > I am receiving emails advertising watches. There is no "unsubscribe" > information. But when I highlight the bottom of the page it shows a partial > address to email if you would like to unsubscribe, the email address is > @lists.debian.org. However since it isn't complete, I can't send a message. > > PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM ANY MAILING LISTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE MY NAME ON > OR THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I DO NOT WANT TO BUY A WATCH. STOP HARRASSING ME. Please do some basic research. You do not do your professional or personal reputation, or the reputation of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society any credit by screaming and complaining about things that you do not seem to fully understand and that we cannot fix. 1) Debian does not sell watches (or any other product). 2) Debian has no interest in selling you a watch. 3) Typing in all capitals is screaming and generally considered, at best, about as professional as a six-year-old throwing a temper-tantrum. You might want to see http://debian.org/ for what Debian is actually about, and learn how to trace back an email to it's source based on headers (http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html), since spammers always forge their email addresses to avoid prosecution and delay getting shut down by their ISPs for violating their terms of service. Most ISPs prohibit spamming. > Dawn Russo > Dawn Russo, MSW > Home LINKS Program Manager > National Multiple Sclerosis Society > Central New England Chapter > 101A First Avenue, Suite 6 > Waltham, MA 02451 > 800-493-9255 ext 155 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Information provided by the National Multiple Sclerosis Society is based > upon professional advice, published experience and expert opinion. > Information provided in response to questions does not constitute > therapeutic recommendations or prescriptions. The National Multiple > Sclerosis Society recommends that all questions and information be > discussed with a personal physician. Studies show that early and ongoing > treatment with an FDA-approved therapy can reduce future disease activity > and improve quality of life for many people with multiple sclerosis. Talk > to your health care professional and contact the National MS Society at > www.nationalmssociety.org or 1-800-FIGHT-MS to learn about ways to help > manage multiple sclerosis and about current research that may one day > reveal a cure. Long, grandious, bandwidth-wasting signatures like this one do nothing to increase awareness and serve only to annoy and waste bandwidth when extended past four lines. Check this out: http://ursine.ca/McQuary_limit . If you have a useful message, your signature isn't the place for it, that's what the body of your message is for, otherwise it's almost as bad as spamming is. I would hope for the sake of MS patients that being self-interested and obnoxious really isn't how you conduct yourself and your org in person or on the internet. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://jabber.ursine.ca/ pgpLvYubKIAuj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: No more bugreports from me.
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 06:40, Magnus Berg wrote: > It's not fun to reports bugs to the Debian bug tracking system. The thanks > you get is spam. That's the price you pay for participation on the internet in any capacity, the Debian BTS is not a special case. > I have a special e-mail address that I use then I'm little afraid that it > becomes public. My intention is to change that address then it collect to > much spam. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful Also check out spamassassin, it does pretty well even on spam forwarded by the BTS. > The report you can see was a ordinary e-mail sent to the maintainer of > Aptitude. He saw it as a Dpkg thing and asked me if he could send it to the > public dpkg list. I said O.K. Now you can think I have to blame myself but > I could never thought about that he would include my personal information, > including my main e-mail address, then he send it further to the public > dpkg list. But he did. You said he could. That's your fault. Besides, the moment you ever used your email address it became public information. Deal with it. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://jabber.ursine.ca/ pgpTYLVdkSz7h.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Sunday 14 May 2006 12:23, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 04:31:16PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Saturday 13 May 2006 16:03, Christoph Berg wrote: > > > Re: Paul Johnson 2006-05-14 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Why does it necessarily have to be IRC? Jabber fixes a lot of IRC's > > > > shortcomings, without bringing along all the political drama and > > > > baggage OFTC, Freenode, and every other IRC network in existence. > > > > Switching to another IRC network just sets things up to repeat and > > > > have this discussion again in another few years. > > > > > > If you don't care about IRC, why don't you just let us choose the > > > network we prefer? > > > > Debian seeks the free choice, right? Jabber is free-er. > > Are you trying to say we should have a jabber.debian.org? Yes. > We already > seem to have a jabber.debian.net, pointing at hades.robster.org. Doesn't count, it's unresponsive. Try browsing to it on Jabber. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpUwwX9C1hwl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Saturday 13 May 2006 16:03, Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: Paul Johnson 2006-05-14 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Why does it necessarily have to be IRC? Jabber fixes a lot of IRC's > > shortcomings, without bringing along all the political drama and baggage > > OFTC, Freenode, and every other IRC network in existence. Switching to > > another IRC network just sets things up to repeat and have this > > discussion again in another few years. > > If you don't care about IRC, why don't you just let us choose the > network we prefer? Debian seeks the free choice, right? Jabber is free-er. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpiUSo4Ol6Zv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Saturday 13 May 2006 15:12, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 14:58 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Most Jabber servers... > > topic is -irc-.debian.org, iirc Why does it necessarily have to be IRC? Jabber fixes a lot of IRC's shortcomings, without bringing along all the political drama and baggage OFTC, Freenode, and every other IRC network in existence. Switching to another IRC network just sets things up to repeat and have this discussion again in another few years. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp01VTEAG42n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Saturday 13 May 2006 14:42, Noèl Köthe wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 30.04.2006, 19:34 +0100 schrieb Steve McIntyre: > > I've heard it suggested by a variety of people that we should move the > > official irc.debian.org alias away from freenode to oftc. I can see > > that more and more of my own Debian IRC discussions are on oftc, to > > the extent that I'm (currently) not on any freenode channels at > > all. > > oftc support ssl connections (ircs.oftc.net:) so the secret nickserv > and chanserv passwords wouldn't get sniffed via debconf6 wlan.:) Most Jabber servers support or require SSL connections and transparently provides what should have been basic functionality in IRC but ended up tacked on as nickserv and chanserv without having to deal with the insecurity and unreliability of most nickserv and chanserv implementations. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpyLqhya7798.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:19, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:52:33PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote: > > > >Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is > > > > these days than IRC. > > > > > > Jabber doesn't have any useable non-graphic Clients. > > > > So write one or grab one of the existing ones and make it not suck. > > As it is, IRC *does* have non-sucking non-graphic clients. If you think > people should switch to Jabber, I think you ought to write such a > client, not someone who's not interested in using Jabber in the first > place. All the concole Jabber clients I've come across suit me fine. I can't program for a variable that I can't perceive. > > > for the usual one to one communication it might be ok, but for > > > groupchat (and thats what most people do on IRC it simply sucks. > > > > By design, IRC encourages people to do truly obnoxious things, like > > spamming the channel to announce they're going away, > > That's not really the design of IRC; rather, it's the design of some > clients. It's a misfeature in clients caused by the bad design of IRC: It lacks presence information, which people do find important. Just not channelworthy. > > or indicating their status with nicknames (which also spams the > > channel). You also get spammed on IRC whenever someone joins or > > leaves a channel. > > Most IRC clients allow those to be switched off. Personally, I happen to > like them. s/most/none/. I just tried irssi, ircii, kopete, and ejabberd's IRC clients. None have this. > > Jabber prevents this by providing a real presence system. > > IRC has a real presence system, too. An /away command nobody uses doesn't a presence system make. > > Jabber provides all the same "modes" IRC does in group chat, except > > bans actually work because they're not stupidly tied to some arbitrary > > netmask. > > Well, there's one "advantage". > > > Nicknames changes, joins and parts aren't spammed to the channel > > unless your client adds them in for you (but changes are still > > reflected in the listing of who is in the chat). > > Joins and parts you already mentioned. Nickname changes? I wouldn't know > why the fsck you *wouldn't* want to be informed of those. Because nobody changes their nicknames on IRC anymore, it's always from something like "retard" to "retard-doingMyWife" or something similarly presence-related. > > Jabber networks don't go on begging sprees for funding. > > Hell yes they do. My Jabber server administrator has sent me some > "please support my bandwidth" request in the past. Switch servers. You can still get to the same group chats from any Jabber server. So far, that one Jabber admin that doesn't quite get it out of dozens. > > OFTC will invariably spam you like every other IRC network since the > > dawn of time the first moment they get more than a few users. > > As it is, that hasn't happened yet. Can we talk about things that are > actually happening, rather than things that *might* happen at some point > in the undefined future, please? So OFTC is the one IRC network that does get it so far. Good for them. Don't expect it to last. > > IRC was a good early effort, but 20 years have passed and IRC is still > > plagued by the same problems it started with and shows no signs of > > improvement over time, just like Windows. Isn't it time the world > > moved on already? > > Move on to what? A protocol that broadcasts whether I'm online to > everyone I've ever chatted with? Jabber doesn't do that, nor am I sure I understand where you get that impression. You have to explicitly authorize people to subscribe to your presence information, it's not something that gets broadcast to other users without your approval. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpmksSvsbfKp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:40, Cord Beermann wrote: > >Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is these > > days than IRC. > > Jabber doesn't have any useable non-graphic Clients. So write one or grab one of the existing ones and make it not suck. > for the usual one > to one communication it might be ok, but for groupchat (and thats what > most people do on IRC it simply sucks. By design, IRC encourages people to do truly obnoxious things, like spamming the channel to announce they're going away, or indicating their status with nicknames (which also spams the channel). You also get spammed on IRC whenever someone joins or leaves a channel. Jabber prevents this by providing a real presence system. Jabber provides all the same "modes" IRC does in group chat, except bans actually work because they're not stupidly tied to some arbitrary netmask. Nicknames changes, joins and parts aren't spammed to the channel unless your client adds them in for you (but changes are still reflected in the listing of who is in the chat). Jabber networks don't go on begging sprees for funding. OFTC will invariably spam you like every other IRC network since the dawn of time the first moment they get more than a few users. IRC was a good early effort, but 20 years have passed and IRC is still plagued by the same problems it started with and shows no signs of improvement over time, just like Windows. Isn't it time the world moved on already? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpoXGApJeQ27.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Sunday 30 April 2006 15:51, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:25:50PM -0300, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > > On 04/30/2006 05:46 PM, Frans Pop wrote: > > > Just to prove you wrong: what the hell is Jabber? > > > > It is an Instant Messaging Client. > > It is not IRC though, so this point is moot. This thread is about IRC, > let's not get into discussions about instant messaging systems in > general. On the other hand, more users in general, and certainly new users to Debian, are more likely to know about Jabber than IRC thanks to Google Talk. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpbXYJIEIeUe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Sunday 30 April 2006 13:46, Frans Pop wrote: > On Sunday 30 April 2006 22:32, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is > > these days than IRC. > > Just to prove you wrong: what the hell is Jabber? Jabber is an open IM system that IETF is standardizing instant messaging on. jabber.org, jabber.ru, talk.google.com and ursine.ca are well-known Jabber servers. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber for more information. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpVWfkxv26R9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Sunday 30 April 2006 14:05, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Paul Johnson: > > Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is > > these days than IRC. > > Really? jabber.debian.net does not seem to accept new users. I don't know about jabber.debian.net's registration process, however, there is a multiuser chat on Jabber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpIx6CJOTlnP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: irc.debian.org
On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:34, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I've heard it suggested by a variety of people that we should move the > official irc.debian.org alias away from freenode to oftc. I can see > that more and more of my own Debian IRC discussions are on oftc, to > the extent that I'm (currently) not on any freenode channels at > all. Why not move it to Jabber? More people use and know what Jabber is these days than IRC. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpOeTdsRRWRa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Just a second of your time
On Monday 22 May 2006 13:59, Michael wrote: > Being totally ignorant of any type of Linux based OS, I'm going to ask a > stupid question. Does Debain use a GUI or does it use a DOSesk black screen > and typing in commands to get things cooking ? Yes. > Yes I was raised on GUI ala > "Windows" but I'm interested in trying to move away from the jugernaut. If > you don't mind giving me info or even a website so I can research my own > question. I just don't know where to look first http://debian.org/ -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpqpljjDD72i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Subscription
On Wednesday 12 April 2006 00:06, Annamalai Gurusami wrote: > My question is this. Why doesn't Debian GNU/Linux sell distribution > CDs? What about Debian Distribution Subscription? What is the > rationale behind not selling? Ethics. Read the Debian Social Contract at http://www.debian.org/social_contract to find out more. There is nothing that necessarily precludes Debian from selling CDs in distributed form, however, Debian seems more interested in building a community of distributors, consultants, users and developers that to do so would undermine Debian's own effort to some degree. Many distributors and consultants do donate money and equipment to Debian: Gift societies are the only place where the trickle-down theory works as advertised. > The FreeBSD project has this kind of revenue generation. I can buy > their distribution CDs. I can also buy user guide and administrators > guide (books). You can get the guides online for free in Debian. > The purchaser (user) would also have the satisfaction of supporting > the project by paying for obtaining a copy of the distribution. This > reason alone should be sufficient for putting in place and way of > selling the distribution. > > What are your thoughts? Instead of wasting all kinds of effort on setting up supply lines that might not ever see demand, it seems more productive to me to stay the course of improving the methods of distribution actually used. And if you want to have money go to Debian, it's better to give directly instead of looking for the "Every N dollars from purchase gets donated" type prize in the box. http://www.debian.org/donations -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpJQ2uiPdPuS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: help
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 10:59, Fred wrote: > I am a very new newbie. I am pretty versed with windows OS, but I am > looking to learn linux. > > I installed debian, the install went fine, but I can not get into the > x-windows. I am still stuck in the DOS portion. There is no DOS portion in Linux. > I am not understanding the boot process. The system boots, go through it's > thing, I logged in using my log in name and password. It tells me I > successfully logged in but I am still like at a DOS prompt with the $ > symbol X-windows dose not start. I cant get past this portion to start to > play with the Debian OS. > > What is : $ That's a bash prompt, not a DOS prompt. That would be the character it uses to indicate you're logged in as a normal user (it would be # if you were superuser). If you were expecting X (aka X Window System, never X Windows) running KDE, then you'll want to type su at that prompt, type in your root password when it says Password: and then type apt-get install x-window-system kde at the # prompt. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpMb8dlvkXlD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:49, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:43:27PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:54:23PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > No, like chosing ati over nvidia for graphic cards, or silicon image > > > over others for SATA cards. > > > > Wait a minute, did I miss a memo? ATI isn't the devil anymore? > > There is 3D support for their newer cards in Xorg 6.9, and they have always > been more friendly to free software than nvidia was. They where on the edge > i believe and don't provide specs for newer cards, but they are not > militantly against free software like nvidia is. Hey nvidia is even not > giving specs to people wanting to write closed-source drivers, and won't > even talk with you if you have not a 100K chip per month volume. nVidia signed a deal with the devil (silicon Graphics) to not-develop their own hardware. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Forums
Debian lists require you use Reply to List, *not* Reply-to-All. On Tuesday 24 January 2006 07:39, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-24 06:47:02]: > > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 00:33, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > But nobody else would use them , so how would this help them? How is > > this different from the debian-newbie list idea that comes up from time > > to time, other than being an even less desirable interface for use? > > To me you come across a bit arrogant and with a "dont-care" > attitude towards unexperienced users. Go read the social contract > again and pay special attention to the bit about our priorities. I understand the priorities, and I understand new users are important. That's why I see zero benefit to fracturing the knowledge base. Opening a forum only serves to fracture the knowledge base. It's a great way to divide Debian and conquer it with experienced-user apathy. > Note that we dont dictate our users how they should advance to > be more knowledgeable. If they prefere webforums give them > webforums. If you dont care to participate, dont. They still can > help each other and share their knowledge and advance that way. I don't see how opening a web forum only the newbies are likely to use benefits the newbies or is fair to the experienced users who volunteer to help them. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpO5DjrLbIeu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 00:08, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Le lundi 23 janvier 2006, Paul Johnson a écrit : > > On Sunday 22 January 2006 03:16, David Weinehall wrote: > > > Since all Ubuntu packages are recompiled against a different set of > > > libraries, the bug might not even affect the Debian package, even > > > though they share the same source. Hence having Ubuntu developers > > > triage the bugs to rule out such issues before they are forwarded to > > > Debian's BTS is always a good thing; thus the maintainer field should > > > be changed for *binary packages*. The source is the same, so the field > > > should NOT be changed for *source packages*. > > > > Given Ubuntu hopelessly complicates everything, pretends there is > > cooperation where there is none, and merely duplicates the effort of the > > debian-desktop project, and contributes nothing to the community or > > society, what's stopping us from officially discouraging Ubuntu's > > existence? > > FWIW, what you say is false and *many* developers are interested in > cooperation, not in war. > > And Ubuntu is doing far more for us than most other derivatives that we > ever had. Provide evidence, please. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp80xjGqtSN8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux Forums
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 00:33, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-23 17:23:07]: > > How does Debian win from encouraging people to split off saying, "Don't > > use the mailing lists, use this third-party forum nobody uses instead?" > > it wins by reaching all those people who prefere using that third > party forum. > > there are a LOT of people (especially those coming from the > windows world or unfamiliar with automatic mail sorting) that are > very uneasy about mailing lists. But nobody else would use them , so how would this help them? How is this different from the debian-newbie list idea that comes up from time to time, other than being an even less desirable interface for use? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgptS0svkkZgT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu
On Sunday 22 January 2006 03:16, David Weinehall wrote: > Since all Ubuntu packages are recompiled against a different set of > libraries, the bug might not even affect the Debian package, even though > they share the same source. Hence having Ubuntu developers triage the > bugs to rule out such issues before they are forwarded to Debian's BTS > is always a good thing; thus the maintainer field should be changed > for *binary packages*. The source is the same, so the field should NOT > be changed for *source packages*. Given Ubuntu hopelessly complicates everything, pretends there is cooperation where there is none, and merely duplicates the effort of the debian-desktop project, and contributes nothing to the community or society, what's stopping us from officially discouraging Ubuntu's existence? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpkGxOARhn0K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux Forums
On Sunday 22 January 2006 11:27, David Nusinow wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 01:04:19PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > > So I think we should be very careful whether we officially adopt a web > > forum as part of our support. If we did so, we will have to be present > > and mediate/moderate trouble. It is a bit like #debian really, where at > > some place most DDs had left the channel to itself, which resulted in a > > bad reputation both for the channel and the project. > > I agree with this 100%. For what it's worth, forums.debian.net is being run > by Jeroen van Wolffelaar and I've been trying to pitch in a little bit over > there too. How does Debian win from encouraging people to split off saying, "Don't use the mailing lists, use this third-party forum nobody uses instead?" -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp2wM6vk1sI1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux Forums
On Saturday 21 January 2006 23:38, Mark Daher wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Mark Daher, owner of LinuxForums.org , I would like to make > my site the official forums of the Debian since there aren't any, > helping people with Debian, etc. You didn't try hard, did you? The official forums are at http://lists.debian.org/ We use mailing lists as web boards tend to be hard to search, difficult to use and annoying to read compared to formats that allow you to choose the software you use to read and respond with. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpbLJSDg6wit.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help
On Sunday 22 January 2006 13:06, Matt Jakse wrote: > I am trying to install a nvidia driver. The driver is for a nvidia > geforce 5200. Every time i go to install it i get this message: You > appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing. > How do you exit X? and is there anything else that i have to do to > install the driver. You need to stop any X displays you are using and run that command from a console. How you do this depends on how you're running X. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpBFm2KrqRP8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 16:54, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > You have not ever shown a serious interest in what Debian would like. > > This is, again, insulting, and nonsensical in the face of the repeated > dialogues I have initiated and participated in with Debian developers > regarding Ubuntu practices. > > Debian deserves better than to be represented by this kind of behavior. What BSG writes is the feeling I'm getting from you as well. This is not Planet Ubuntu, Debian doesn't exist purely to source Ubuntu. I'm personally tired of the attitude from Ubuntu users and developers alike that this is Planet Ubuntu. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got Jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpJOBKFvNCWw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailbox clogging, need daily "digests" of the list
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 15:42, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > Hi Ben! > > You wrote: > > > I've been subscribed to 12 debian mailing-lists. As you could imagine, > > > my mailbox is simply over-flowing now, with the number of mails & the > > > frequency. To avoid the struggle, I would like to subscribe to a "daily > > > digest" of mails on the lists. > > > > Have you considered reading the lists through a news server, such > > as the one at gmane.org, which conveniently never expires > > articles? > > Or automatic sorting of messages in sub-boxes? This violates gmail's philosophy of "search, don't sort." Gmail isn't really suited for mailing list reading in general, between the really underpowered sorting and lack of Reply to List. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got Jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpNDcErd1rEW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailbox clogging, need daily "digests" of the list
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 15:19, Madana Prathap wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 03:12:42 +0530, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 17 January 2006 13:33, Madana Prathap wrote: > >> I've been subscribed to 12 debian mailing-lists. As you could imagine, > >> my mailbox is simply over-flowing now, with the number of mails & the > >> frequency. To avoid the struggle, I would like to subscribe to a "daily > >> digest" of mails on the lists. > > > > I imagine having to only worry about checking after the digests have > > been sent reduces the odds of an embarassingly small mailbox from > > clogging. > > As my "from:" indicates, Gmail doesn't exactly suffer from a lack of space > as such. What I did mean by clogging, is visual - a few hundred list mails > a day, are enough to make your inbox look messy. Well, there's not a good way to solve this problem without breaking threads when replying, since you can't reply to a digest without splitting it into it's component messages. > Many more lists are now getting a lot of traffic, the situation has > probably changed since the time when lists were reviewed to identify the > high-traffic ones. If these did get officially recognized as high-traffic, > then possibly my wish of digest-mode for them, would be fulfilled. Generally speaking, traffic is measured by the megabyte, not the message, since the latter tends to come into play when it comes to expenses and mail quotas. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got Jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpDtjT914n0I.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailbox clogging, need daily "digests" of the list
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 13:33, Madana Prathap wrote: > I've been subscribed to 12 debian mailing-lists. As you could imagine, my > mailbox is simply over-flowing now, with the number of mails & the > frequency. To avoid the struggle, I would like to subscribe to a "daily > digest" of mails on the lists. I imagine having to only worry about checking after the digests have been sent reduces the odds of an embarassingly small mailbox from clogging. Fortunately, even the procmail examples that ship in the documentation show how to split a digest back into it's component messages for use on local mail spools. > How come only a few lists (like -devel, & -users) are offering digest-mode > (on the web interface) ? The others (like -project, -release, -amd64, etc) > offer plain subscribe/unsubscribe - I see no way of getting digests. Only the higher traffic lists. > AFAIK, the recent versions of mailman (the mailing list manager) offers > digests as an option when subscribing from the web itself. What I want to > know is how to modify my existing subscription for all these lists, to > receive daily digests instead of individual mails. Send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject help should tell you if it's possible. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpfK9GlsymZc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Ubuntu/Debian cooperation [was: Complaint about #debian operator]
On Thursday 15 December 2005 04:03 am, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 12:18:16PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > They could just as well do their changes directly in the debian archive, > > and have the ubuntu guys only recompile, or maintain the ubuntu-specific > > patches which should *not* go into debian. > > A good idea for Ubuntu to ease this would be to actively work on the > dpkg patches that are needed to allow multiple .diff files for a > package. Wouldn't it save everybody a lot of heartache and bother if Ubuntu just worked on Debian instead? -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp2mYUAC0Egs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Monday 12 December 2005 12:52 pm, Josh Rehman wrote: > And to quote > "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view": > > "As a volunteer organization, Debian has historically been less good > at making time-based or predictable releases, and has a difficult time > providing accountability." With friends like Ubuntu and Josh Rehman, who needs enemies? -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpncyoZHDseq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Monday 12 December 2005 04:41 am, martin f krafft wrote: > But your post makes it all the more clear that *a lot* of Debian > people need to get the facts straight, and that a Debian vs. Ubuntu > comparison on #debian is definitely not out of place. The problem with that, though, is the Ubuntu users make an hourly habit of trolling #debian, making intelligent discussion on the matter totally, 100% impossible at best in #debian. #debian is not #ubuntu. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp4tfzcnVTW7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Sunday 11 December 2005 03:16 am, MJ Ray wrote: > > Telling a new user to "shut up" first thing is traditional troll > > behavior [...] > > Opening by asking whether anyone is alive is traditional troll > behaviour (is there anyone to annoy?), possibly second only to a/s/l. > I don't know whether it still does, but the #debian topic used > to warn against that and asking to whether to ask. Yes, asking if you can ask a question is generally considered bad form on any channel, though large ones like #debian that get noob idiots looking for instant answers without any effort (these people really should be going to http://www.debian.org/consultants/ instead and pay for our time) tend to get particularly antsy about it. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpMfUr8dCySz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Saturday 10 December 2005 12:07 pm, Josh Rehman wrote: > As for being warned, I was told that because my discussion was about > ubuntu I should stop. Because I felt my discussion was not about > ubuntu, I did not feel that I should have to stop. So you deliberately show newbie arrogance, get called on it, then complain? Dude, you got what you deserved, now you're just embarrassing yourself with how much you and most 13 year olds on AOL have in common. > > Also note that the channel's topic reads, besides others: "Please note: > > this is not #ubuntu." > > Absolutely. What is wrong with understanding Debian better by figuring > out where it differs from one of its derivations? Because that discussion is rehash of ubuntu's About page. If we want to read ubuntu's About page, we can go to their website. We don't need you to read it to us over IRC. > > I don't particularly agree with the second ban, though. > > Glad to hear; it is roughly equivalent to a customer service person > hanging up on you when you ask to talk to their manager. No, it's not. It's not at all comparable. In the customer service scenario, you are paying them to give you the answers. In the open source IRC scenario, you're begging people to deal with your questions in their own free time for free. Why should they tolerate someone who obviously can't play by the rules at all? > I'm still not really clear on why asking questions about Debian is > off-topic on #debian. Sure, they are questions related to Ubuntu, but > they are primarily about Debian. If they're related to Ubuntu, they're primarily about Ubuntu, don't ask them in Debian. Debian didn't come from Ubuntu, after all, most people on Debian don't know or care about Ubuntu problems. > I frankly don't see the point of > Ubuntu - AFAICT it's primary difference is billionaire flash. Being > pointed to #ubuntu by Don and then banned by him reminds me of the > sort of runaround one experiences with hardware vendors: "it's not our > problem, call Microsoft". Microsoft says, "its not our problem, call > the hardware vendor." Hardware vendor, "well, maybe you should contact > the reseller." Etc. Again, you falsely assume #debian is paid to care about your problem. > > Further, you were given directions on how to continue your discussion > > with `det' in private, but decided to continue argueing against > > `dondelecaro' instead. > > Frankly, I didn't understand those instructions. Furthermore, I still > disagreed that my questions about Debian were off-topic in #debian. It's generally a bad idea to use network services you don't understand. > IRC is just not for me, I think. I'm glad I gave it another shot, > though. I would *highly* recommend altering the support page and/or > setting down clear guidlines for channel operators. It might be good > to find an operator who is humble, helpful, patient and intelligent. Oh, that's why you're not finding what you're looking for, you're looking in entirely the wrong place. You *really* should have checked this page first if you wanted someone willing to change diapers with silly questions. http://www.debian.org/consultants/ -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpHNh7mNINo5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Saturday 10 December 2005 04:57 am, Michael Banck wrote: > Don't know whether you send the guy a private message, but perhaps a > public message like "foo: You have been silenced for 10 minutes due to > repeated off-topicness, despite warnings" or so would be alright, so > they know it is not permanent and everybody knows what's going on. #debian has enough problems spamming the channel when they forget what /away is for. I fail to see how contributing to the noise instead of just disposing with people who can't be bothered to read the channel FAQ before saying something is in any way, shape or form anything other than harmful in the short and long term. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpPAF2c7IJA9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Saturday 10 December 2005 06:12 am, Michael Banck wrote: > You are welcome to idle in #debian and have a highlight on `ubuntu' to > address these questions, should you have the time. I think whoever does that, and isn't paid to do so, will probably change that to a trigger so whenever ubuntu gets mentioned, it's immediately followed by /kick ubuntu-peon "This channel is for Debian users, not you" /mode +b ubuntu-peon -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpd0vYjPtwBL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Saturday 10 December 2005 05:45 am, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.12.10.1358 +0100]: > > So they can go join #ubuntu. Honestly, not that hard. Type it > > with me now: > > > > /join #ubuntu > > Why should a Debian-Ubuntu comparison be any more on-topic on > #ubuntu than it is on #debian? Ubuntu tries so hard to be Debian without actually contributing back to Debian. Let them compare on their own channel. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgppGP9RRvkVL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Saturday 10 December 2005 04:17 am, martin f krafft wrote: > I think it would support Debian greatly if people would actually > understand what Ubuntu is all about, and how it differs from Debian. > After all, Ubuntu is not just another distribution. So they can go join #ubuntu. Honestly, not that hard. Type it with me now: /join #ubuntu They can probably copy and paste it, even. #debian is debian-user in realtime. Ubuntu isn't on topic in #debian, and it *does* create problems for both channels when people confuse them. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpq556suAXCK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Complaint about #debian operator
On Saturday 10 December 2005 02:49 am, Josh Rehman wrote:
> and the mention of 'On-line Real Time Help Using IRC'. Unfortunately
> this did not work out as planned. I was almost immediately banned for
> even mentioning Ubuntu. This when I had found someone with real-life
> deb and ubu experience ('det').
Ubuntu is off-topic on #debian. Too many people try to get ubuntu help in
#debian, and ubuntu users regularly bitch about how Debian isn't ubuntu.
They're not the same, to go #ubuntu if you want to talk about ubuntu.
> After the ban was lifted, the
> operator "dondelecaro' refused to answer my question about complaining
> about this annoying ban, and in fact banned me again when I mentioned
> this fact. Another user suggested that I send a message to this list.
Questioning decisions or pestering ops is a good way to do that. Sounds like
you didn't read the #debian faq when you joined like you were told.
> Let me say first that I don't expect much to come from this complaint.
> I understand fully well that Debian is organized and run by
> volunteers. Furthermore, my case is not clear cut since I wasn't shut
> down for asking about "KDE" when the moderator really only wanted to
> talk about "Gnome", for example.
Sounds like you didn't read the FAQ. If you don't get any response, try again
in a few hours. #debian is very international.
> My query bordered on an advocacy like
> discussion. However, I think I was careful to keep it nuetral - I
> really just wanted to know what value-add ubuntu has over Debian that
> has given it such a buzz.
Thus trying to start a flamewar.
> In addition, the operator gave me no
> external link to read or alternative channel (with the exception of
> telling me to take it to #ubuntu which I frankly don't see why an op
> there wouldn't tell me to go to #debian...)
You were informed of this when you joined the channel. Please read /topic and
server messages.
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Re: Self Destructing Computers...
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 05:57 pm, Nick D'Annunzio wrote: > Hi, my name is Nick. > I went to start my computer last night after work and an awful blue smoke > blew out the back. I ripped the cord out from the wall and opened the > computer up and the processor was smoking. Be careful when opening electronics that are burning up. Might be a good idea to give them a few minutes. Case in point... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7870362821870979072 There's the off chance something disrupts the balance in the force, causing the magic smoke to explosively decompress. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpYIao3yHv2l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: NOT INTERESTED!
On Thursday 08 September 2005 09:54 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I NOT WANT YOUR DEBIAN PACKAGE AT ALL. STOP BLOCKING THE FREEMAIL.HU WEB > SITE. It's also clear you're not interested in having a clue. Please stop blocking any hint of having a clue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sponsering thought
On Friday July 29 2005 3:14 pm, Simon Watts wrote: > I'm Simon Watts and I'm searching for a MultiGaming CLAN SPONSOR. > We are searching to get a good sponsor, so we tought u would be the > one. The sponsering is For Webhosting or for Gameserver hosting. The Debian Project is not interested in non-free software. To sponsor a group that focuses on non-free software (such as Call of Duty) would be counter Debian's cause. Now if you want to make an open source clone of Call of Duty, you might find some support at Debian. If you want to get a better feel for the Debian Project, check out it's social contract at http://www.debian.org/social_contract -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgprXd6ATbL85.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Screenshots
On Monday July 4 2005 8:52 am, Andrew Karppinen wrote: > Why are there are no screen shots on the Debian site? I think some > screen shots would help. People can make a visual connection to > what it could look like. It may generate more interest in the > project. I tried the search feature and it was disabled on the > site. There are many screenshots available for particular packages. Once you've seen packages under one distro, you've seen them in the rest. Check out various project homepages to see what you should expect. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgpBTLMo6wROw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian linux
On Thursday June 30 2005 2:32 am, Michael Falk wrote: > Is it allowed to download the debian linux and burn it on cd and to > sell it for a low price? Thank you for answering. Yes, it is. Some restrictions do apply. See http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=file&location=/usr/share/doc/debian/FAQ/ch-redistrib.en.html#s-sellcds -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgpvaPzWs24Xa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden's mail policies
On Wednesday June 22 2005 12:19 am, Craig Sanders wrote: > > You wrongly assume it isn't a valid option when for many people > > it's the only option. Deal. > > how is whinging a valid option? it won't even achieve anything > (aside from making you look like a whinging loser) http://ursine.ca/Craig_Sanders Or yourself. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgpPgYyzQ397x.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden's mail policies
On Tuesday June 21 2005 9:12 pm, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 05:04:32AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sunday June 19 2005 3:55 am, martin f krafft wrote: > > > also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.19.1242 +0200]: > > > > > And if your argument here is that their provider's mail > > > > > spool sucks, delays or drops mail, or whatever, well... > > > > > switch your goddamn provider then. > > > > > > > > Can't. Monopoly. > > > > > > Get yourself a separate mail provider then. gmx.net, albeit > > > German, offers SASL-authenticated SMTP access. I am sure others > > > do too. > > > > Why pay someone else to do what I can do myself for free? > > because you can't do it yourself for free - at least not on a > dialup/dynamic IP address. Sure you can. Commercial connection, dynamic IP. You might not have a choice on a budget. > why can't you do it yourself? because lots of mail servers block > all mail from dynamic IP addresses. Which is stupid and generates false positives. > regardless of the rights and/or > wrongs of this, it is THEIR server, so it runs by THEIR rules. you > have no say in it. get used to that fact. If they don't want my mail, fine, but they don't get to bitch and tell me I'm wrong because they don't know how to effectively filter what they're trying to block while minimizing false positives. Any scheme that generates false positives needs to be reworked until it works right. > 1. get a static IP address. this may cost more than a dynamic IP. And the arrogant attitude that only those with shitloads of cash to burn are allowed to handle their own services, never mind that one's economic standing has nothing to do with whether or not they're a spammer. I may be on a DHCP block, but that doesn't mean that my IP has changed for any reason in the last six months save for the one time I swapped network cards out. > 2. route your mail via another mail server with a static IP. there > are dozens of secure ways of achieving this. there may be extra > costs. Ironically, it's often these large smarthosts actually relaying spews from poorly enforced antispam policies in the TOS. > note that there is no third option of whinging about how your > rights are being infringed because your dynamic-IP mail is being > blocked. you do not have ANY right to demand that your mail must be > accepted by anyone. nobody has that right. You don't have the right to talk down to people for their inability to obtain the unobtainable. You wrongly assume it isn't a valid option when for many people it's the only option. Deal. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgpNqP6JINwRX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden's mail policies
On Sunday June 19 2005 9:32 am, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.19.1544 +0200]: > > So punish them specifically. There are blackholes that do that. > > bl.spamcop.net, sbl.spamhaus.org, xbl.spamhaus.org and > > bl.ursine.ca all do that. > > And then they just hang up and dial in again to get a new IP. Greylisting gives you an hour or so for IPs to get blacklisted by sites that just blindly accept everything on the first try. They're taking a hit for the team so you don't have to if you combine it with greylisting. > > You need to take into account false positives as well when you're > > thinking about effectiveness. If false positives are greater > > than zero, effectiveness is near-zero. > > You need to make assumptions, and mine are that people send mail > according to the accepted infrastructure, which is to use > smarthosts. OK, fine, but don't expect to get much mail as people start realizing they can do it better than their ISP can. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgp54nC4wOBEU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden's mail policies
On Sunday June 19 2005 6:22 am, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.19.1404 +0200]: > > Why pay someone else to do what I can do myself for free? > > The problem is not you, the problem are the other morons who think > like you *and* can't operate mail servers. So punish them specifically. There are blackholes that do that. bl.spamcop.net, sbl.spamhaus.org, xbl.spamhaus.org and bl.ursine.ca all do that. > With that I mean: I have > no reason to believe that you cannot operate a mail server, so > don't read this as an attack at all. But for everyone who can > operate a mail server, 1000 others run one and have no clue. Thus, > it's a good idea to restrict the set of IPs that are to act as > legitimate mail servers, and DUL is one way to do so effectively. You need to take into account false positives as well when you're thinking about effectiveness. If false positives are greater than zero, effectiveness is near-zero. > For what it's worth: how do you know they don't intercept the mail > that your mail spool then sends out? Eventually you get a bounce with the routing headers and you see a mystery hop through your ISP. > Point being: if you don't trust your ISP, switch! If you cannot, > learn to deal, get politically active and work on antitrust, or > move. Working on the move part, but Canada won't let me and there's no place worth moving to in my current country with alternatives. > I have no further intention to argue my position here for I am > perfectly aware that people disagree. I maintain that I think DUL > are a good thing and I will continue using them. Your loss. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgppiEJ2kwGL6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden's mail policies
On Sunday June 19 2005 3:55 am, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.06.19.1242 +0200]: > > > And if your argument here is that their provider's mail spool > > > sucks, delays or drops mail, or whatever, well... switch your > > > goddamn provider then. > > > > Can't. Monopoly. > > Get yourself a separate mail provider then. gmx.net, albeit German, > offers SASL-authenticated SMTP access. I am sure others do too. Why pay someone else to do what I can do myself for free? -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgplV0MUHv1Zv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden's mail policies
On Sunday June 19 2005 3:40 am, martin f krafft wrote: > And if your argument here is > that their provider's mail spool sucks, delays or drops mail, or > whatever, well... switch your goddamn provider then. Can't. Monopoly. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgp3CK9Uic0z4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Branden's mail policies
On Sunday June 19 2005 2:31 am, Simon Huggins wrote: > You can see on your "blacklist backlash" that JaNET, the UK's > academic network is listed as respecting the DUL. Blacklisting via > the DUL is a positive measure when coupled with virus scanning > smarthosts as it reduces the number of virus mails spread by > clients like Outlook. Y'all do realize that greylisting takes care of those about 9 out of 10 times, and the overhead to do virus scanning is minimal on what does keep retrying long enough to get greylisted, right? DULs are considered stupid, you might as well just deny mail from 0.0.0.0/0. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgpHDLGGJGRTi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided
On Monday May 30 2005 12:38 pm, Michael Kallas wrote: > Hi, > > Tapio Lehtonen wrote: > > When I had my consultation business, I published the e-mail > > address only as a PNG image. I got one spam messagen in a years > > time. My privete e-mail adressess, which are published in web > > pages get about 150 spams per day. > > Did you ever think about blind people? How were they expected to > find your email address? Not only that, but munging is considered harmful. http://www.interhack.net/pubs/munging-harmful Greylisting, use of sa-exim and bl.ursine.ca works *FAR* better than making your address only accessable to spammers by munging. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgpMW6C2M9XLs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Please Help
On Wednesday May 11 2005 8:35 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I own an IBM 486 laptop, its a 755cv. I want to install debian. i > get eveything partioned and installed but all i come up with is the > black logon screen. any information will be appreciated. You installed Debian, it's working. Log in, use su -m to get root, then type apt-get install aptitude, wait for it to install, then type aptitude to browse the package listing to find what you're looking for from there. Odds are you were probably expecting the kde and x-window-system packages to be installed. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ pgpDnZOPNE1d6.pgp Description: PGP signature
