Re: Re: Donations to Debian are too difficult
Hi, Per http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/, PayPal donations may be made through Network For Good: https://www.networkforgood.org/donation/ExpressDonation.aspx?ORGID2=11-3390208 Thanks! Luca On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:39:51PM +0100, Gisela Neira wrote: > I want to how I can donate Dabian Proyect per paypal..., please... > Thanks, > Gisi -- Luca Filipozzi http://www.crowdrise.com/SupportDebian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20140213223734.ga22...@emyr.net
Re: Re: Donations to Debian are too difficult
I want to how I can donate Dabian Proyect per paypal..., please... Thanks, Gisi
Re: [Debian-sponsors-discuss] Donations to Debian are too difficult
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> On 05/05/2013 05:05 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 12:14:36AM +0300, Vladislav Zorov wrote:
> If it's possible to accept PayPal, an even better solution would be
> to just
> use PayPal's donate button, thus most users will only need one click
> and
> their PayPal password, avoiding the point where most users abort their
> payments (the credit card details entry form). I understand if
> there's an
> ideological reason to not accept PayPal, but neither Debian nor SPI
> said
> anything about it.
> >>>
> >>> That's a good question for debian-project.
> >> I bet they have a good reason, let's wait and see :)
> >
> > I don't think there's any particularly good reason not to accept
> > donations via PayPal. There are various good reasons not to use PayPal
> > in general, but from a strictly Free Software-specific point of view
> > (which IMHO is the only one value horizon Debian should have) they
> > aren't worse than reasons not to use any other bank out there. As a data
> > point, many other Free Software projects (e.g.: Tor, GIMP, KDE, the FSF,
> > OSI, SFLC, Software Freedom Conservancy, etc) accept PayPal donations
> > without much of a hassle. They all seem to value more the simplicity for
> > donors than other concerns; and I don't think that any of those project
> > values Free Software any less than we do at Debian.
> >
> > In terms of fees, PayPal fees would actually be better than the fees
> > that Debian pays to at least some of other Trusted Organizations that
> > currently accept donations on behalf of Debian (e.g. SPI). As such they
> > would be more respectful of donors' money, because a larger share of the
> > donation will actually reach Debian.
> >
> > Last point: we wouldn't need to rely on any Trusted Organizations to
> > take care of PayPal money, we would "just" need to coordinate with the
> > Debian auditors for proper accounting --- I haven't spoken with them, so
> > that *might* be a problem, but I don't think it would be.
> >
> > Just thinking out aloud,
>
> To add an additional thought, why not use the services of one of
> Deb{ian,Conf}'s major sponsors, and why not offer multiple one-click
> donation options to give users a choice?
>
> https://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/
For what it's worth, I've had a similer conversation with SPI about the
fact they don't take Paypal, when we were initially exploring our options
for setting up the "Matching Drive" for DebConf13 [1]. SPI currently
doesn't support Paypal, as there is some fear that the bank account tied to
a Paypal account could be frozen by Paypal. (I'm guessing this is a very
rare scenario, but can't speak on the details.)
SPI said they could likely work around this issue by setting up
a separate bank account to handle Paypal contributions.
I believe SPI would be willing to accomodate Paypal support if there was a
formal request from the Debian project.
(Personally I am in the camp that we should allow multiple "one click"
payment processors, but at a minimum support Paypal.)
We did end up using Paypal (through Debian.ch) for the matching fund
[2] and as far as I can tell the sponsors-team running the program was
happy with the service. (they were able to easily track and update live
stats for donation targets.) Other than one issue where a country in
question didn't support "Paypal donations" it was about as painless as
these things can be.
I'll add that Debconf13 is still taking individual contributions via
Paypal, but they just aren't being matched. [3]
Cheers,
Brian
[1] - http://bits.debian.org/2013/04/dc13-fundraising.html
[2] -
http://blog.debconf.org/blog/debconf13/dr_dc13_matching_fund_completes.dc
[3] - http://debconf13.debconf.org/payments.xhtml
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Re: [Debian-sponsors-discuss] Donations to Debian are too difficult
On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 06:31:14PM -0500, Michael Shuler wrote:
> To add an additional thought, why not use the services of one of
> Deb{ian,Conf}'s major sponsors, and why not offer multiple one-click
> donation options to give users a choice?
>
> https://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/
And we could consider leveraging CrowdRise (or Network For Good directly) as a
social fundraising platform.
Be the first to give! (see sig)
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Luca Filipozzi
http://www.crowdrise.com/SupportDebian
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Re: Donations to Debian are too difficult
On 05/05/2013 05:05 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 12:14:36AM +0300, Vladislav Zorov wrote:
If it's possible to accept PayPal, an even better solution would be to just
use PayPal's donate button, thus most users will only need one click and
their PayPal password, avoiding the point where most users abort their
payments (the credit card details entry form). I understand if there's an
ideological reason to not accept PayPal, but neither Debian nor SPI said
anything about it.
>>>
>>> That's a good question for debian-project.
>> I bet they have a good reason, let's wait and see :)
>
> I don't think there's any particularly good reason not to accept
> donations via PayPal. There are various good reasons not to use PayPal
> in general, but from a strictly Free Software-specific point of view
> (which IMHO is the only one value horizon Debian should have) they
> aren't worse than reasons not to use any other bank out there. As a data
> point, many other Free Software projects (e.g.: Tor, GIMP, KDE, the FSF,
> OSI, SFLC, Software Freedom Conservancy, etc) accept PayPal donations
> without much of a hassle. They all seem to value more the simplicity for
> donors than other concerns; and I don't think that any of those project
> values Free Software any less than we do at Debian.
>
> In terms of fees, PayPal fees would actually be better than the fees
> that Debian pays to at least some of other Trusted Organizations that
> currently accept donations on behalf of Debian (e.g. SPI). As such they
> would be more respectful of donors' money, because a larger share of the
> donation will actually reach Debian.
>
> Last point: we wouldn't need to rely on any Trusted Organizations to
> take care of PayPal money, we would "just" need to coordinate with the
> Debian auditors for proper accounting --- I haven't spoken with them, so
> that *might* be a problem, but I don't think it would be.
>
> Just thinking out aloud,
To add an additional thought, why not use the services of one of
Deb{ian,Conf}'s major sponsors, and why not offer multiple one-click
donation options to give users a choice?
https://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/
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Kind regards,
Michael
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Re: Donations to Debian are too difficult
[ Cc += debian-sponsors-discuss ] On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 12:14:36AM +0300, Vladislav Zorov wrote: > >> If it's possible to accept PayPal, an even better solution would be to just > >> use PayPal's donate button, thus most users will only need one click and > >> their PayPal password, avoiding the point where most users abort their > >> payments (the credit card details entry form). I understand if there's an > >> ideological reason to not accept PayPal, but neither Debian nor SPI said > >> anything about it. > > > > That's a good question for debian-project. > I bet they have a good reason, let's wait and see :) I don't think there's any particularly good reason not to accept donations via PayPal. There are various good reasons not to use PayPal in general, but from a strictly Free Software-specific point of view (which IMHO is the only one value horizon Debian should have) they aren't worse than reasons not to use any other bank out there. As a data point, many other Free Software projects (e.g.: Tor, GIMP, KDE, the FSF, OSI, SFLC, Software Freedom Conservancy, etc) accept PayPal donations without much of a hassle. They all seem to value more the simplicity for donors than other concerns; and I don't think that any of those project values Free Software any less than we do at Debian. In terms of fees, PayPal fees would actually be better than the fees that Debian pays to at least some of other Trusted Organizations that currently accept donations on behalf of Debian (e.g. SPI). As such they would be more respectful of donors' money, because a larger share of the donation will actually reach Debian. Last point: we wouldn't need to rely on any Trusted Organizations to take care of PayPal money, we would "just" need to coordinate with the Debian auditors for proper accounting --- I haven't spoken with them, so that *might* be a problem, but I don't think it would be. Just thinking out aloud, -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Donations to Debian are too difficult
Hi, Simon! On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Simon Paillard wrote: > However, the problem is that SPI / click&pledge applies mainly to US donators > (example ffis is best for european donators). That's not quite true, I'm from Bulgaria and it was much easier for me to donate by credit card than by SEPA bank transfer. > The fact Debian doesn't have a PayPal account (if confirmed ? I have no idea) > could be added to http://www.debian.org/donations to avoid Debian users from > being abused. The SPI page already mentions this on http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/ , below the click&pledge button. If your suggested solution with the anchor link is implemented, though, it will make sense to add it to the donations page. >> A relatively easy solution could be to move the clickandpledge.com >> button (from http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/ ) directly to >> debian.org's homepage with a short description to select the Debian >> project from the list. > > This could be > https://co.clickandpledge.com/advanced/default.aspx?wid=34115#DonationName_4 > However a stable anchor name may be safer, can SPI board member request that ? This works, kind of. There's the small issue that you have to scroll up to see your cart after you add an item (it doesn't stay on the screen, so when you click the anchored link you won't even know it's there). It would be great if the cart was displayed after you add an item to it. >> If it's possible to accept PayPal, an even better solution would be to just >> use PayPal's donate button, thus most users will only need one click and >> their PayPal password, avoiding the point where most users abort their >> payments (the credit card details entry form). I understand if there's an >> ideological reason to not accept PayPal, but neither Debian nor SPI said >> anything about it. > > That's a good question for debian-project. I bet they have a good reason, let's wait and see :) -- Best Regards, Vladislav Zorov -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CALHm=7jksrzz8_r368rao7e6wlwzpvmmexgfuysynei2u9z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Donations to Debian are too difficult
Hello [ raised on -www, CC'ing debian-project ] Thanks Vladislav for your email. On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 04:32:00AM +0300, Vladislav Zorov wrote: > I've been using Debian for many years and many different purposes, so, > of course, I wanted to donate. I went to debian.org, expecting to find > a large button on the homepage that allows me to make a one-click > donation. I didn't find it, so I started reading the text and > eventually found the "Donations" link under "About". When I clicked > it, I got to a page that again didn't have a donate button, but > instead described another organization, SPI. I started reading and > found out SPI handles the donations for Debian. OK, so I went to an > entirely different website. Now, they did have a donate button, but > there was nothing one-click about it: you have to find the Debian > project from a large list of other, unrelated projects, then you have > to enter all your credit card details in yet another website, > clickandpledge.com, which I don't recognize. Indeed, see the link with a direct anchor to Debian project below. However, the problem is that SPI / click&pledge applies mainly to US donators (example ffis is best for european donators). > At this point I gave up, went back to Google to search for "debian donation > paypal", but found only one post about some supposedly Debian address that is > registered with PayPal, but also found contradicting information that Debian > doesn't accept PayPal and this could be a fraud. The fact Debian doesn't have a PayPal account (if confirmed ? I have no idea) could be added to http://www.debian.org/donations to avoid Debian users from being abused. > A relatively easy solution could be to move the clickandpledge.com > button (from http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/ ) directly to > debian.org's homepage with a short description to select the Debian > project from the list. This could be https://co.clickandpledge.com/advanced/default.aspx?wid=34115#DonationName_4 However a stable anchor name may be safer, can SPI board member request that ? > If it's possible to accept PayPal, an even better solution would be to just > use PayPal's donate button, thus most users will only need one click and > their PayPal password, avoiding the point where most users abort their > payments (the credit card details entry form). I understand if there's an > ideological reason to not accept PayPal, but neither Debian nor SPI said > anything about it. That's a good question for debian-project. > Thank you for helping the greatest OS in the world! -- Simon Paillard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130505202344.gl19...@glenfiddich.mraw.org
