Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > He has let an identity, real or not, slip in another discussion some > weeks ago. If I could be bothered, I'm sure I could find it in the > archives. It's not exactly a secret, and he's not Eray. http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/04/msg00226.html> http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2005/04/msg00227.html> -- ,''`. : :' :Romain Francoise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `. `' http://people.debian.org/~rfrancoise/ `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't kid yourself, he might not be a new kid on the block. For all we > know, he might be Eray in disguise... His obfuscated identity is obviously > being done on purpose. For which purpose, well, only he knows for sure. He has let an identity, real or not, slip in another discussion some weeks ago. If I could be bothered, I'm sure I could find it in the archives. It's not exactly a secret, and he's not Eray. -- Sam "Eddie" Couter | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the point is, a DPL as a single person, may have "confidential" meetings > with himself, and nobody bothers. But when it's a group of person ... > whoa ... that's now a big deal ! Bdale publically claimed at LCA that he has been asked for and provided advice to every DPL since Ian Jackson (I think that's the one). I'm sure he's not the only one to have provided advice to a DPL over the years, as only a fool makes decisions in isolation. Has anyone seen minutes, transcripts or logs for any of those meetings, or feel that they need to see them? I see no difference here except that Project Scud are being forthright about whose advice is already being considered. The DPL has personal responsibility, regardless of what group of people come up with the advice. Let him decide who he trusts, ask for rationale for decisions if you wish. If you don't like the decisions he makes, vote for someone else next time. If you *really* don't like them, GR. -- Sam "Eddie" Couter | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Michael Banck wrote: > I hope I'm not alone when I say that you hiding behind such a laughable > email address concerns me. > > If you want to be part of the Debian community (and posting to -project > pretty much indicates that), you should get a real name and email > address now. Don't kid yourself, he might not be a new kid on the block. For all we know, he might be Eray in disguise... His obfuscated identity is obviously being done on purpose. For which purpose, well, only he knows for sure. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
On Sun, Apr 24, 2005 at 11:31:23PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I hope I'm not alone when I say that this confidentiality and seemingly > crass "Besserwisser" tone concerns me. I hope I'm not alone when I say that you hiding behind such a laughable email address concerns me. If you want to be part of the Debian community (and posting to -project pretty much indicates that), you should get a real name and email address now. thanks, Michael -- Michael Banck Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
Le Lundi 25 Avril 2005 08:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > I hope I'm not alone when I say that this confidentiality and > seemingly crass "Besserwisser" tone concerns me. Because I am not > experienced with the politics of Debian, this is all I will say. the point is, a DPL as a single person, may have "confidential" meetings with himself, and nobody bothers. But when it's a group of person ... whoa ... that's now a big deal ! So please, scud is not popular in all the community, but when you want to attack it, find real reasons. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgpyrHrGGqQKH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I hope I'm not alone when I say that this confidentiality and seemingly > crass "Besserwisser" tone concerns me. Because I am not experienced > with the politics of Debian, this is all I will say. It is not ideal as Branden says. But I prefer closed groups who does some work to Anonymous Cowards who just complains. I'm all for openness but my experience shows me that closely knit groups with clear responsabilities does work better than fully open mailling lists. -- Peter Makholm |'Cause suicide is painless [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It brings on many changes http://hacking.dk |And I can take or leave it if I please |-- Suicide is painless -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
I hope I'm not alone when I say that this confidentiality and seemingly crass "Besserwisser" tone concerns me. Because I am not experienced with the politics of Debian, this is all I will say. In closing, I hope that not all leadership by this team will be conducted with this attitude and I hope I misunderstood this e-mail. --- Branden Robinson / Debian Project Leader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The leadership team described in Andreas Schuldei's[1] and my[2] > platforms > for this year is having its first full formal meeting today at 2200 > UTC. > The agenda is attached. > > This is not a public meeting, mainly because some sensitive issues > may be > discussed (details of Debian finances, interpersonal conflicts that > the DPL > has been asked to resolve, and so forth). > > I realize that a closed meeting is not ideal; I welcome suggestions > on how > to balance the accountability of the DPL and the leadership team with > the > necessity of dealing with the occasional sensitive issue in a more > discrete > manner than a public IRC channel. > > If it's any consolation, I'm not privy to anything that was said > about me > over beers at LCA 2005, either. :) > > The meeting will be minuted, and the minutes will be posted to this > list as > soon as they have been prepared and accepted by the team members in > attendance. > > Ordinarily, the intent is to send out the agenda a fair bit further > in > advance than this, so that people can comment and it can be modified > to > reflect areas of concern that we may have overlooked. > > As Bdale is en route back to the U.S. from Australia, we do not > expect his > attendance at this meeting. > > [1] http://www.debian.org/vote/2005/platforms/andreas > [2] > http://people.debian.org/~branden/dpl/campaign/2005/platform.xhtml.en > > -- > G. Branden Robinson > Debian Project Leader > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://people.debian.org/~branden > > $Id: 2005-04-24.txt 128 2005-04-24 21:07:29Z branden $ > > Meeting of 2005-04-24 > = > > Invitees: > Andreas Schuldei > Bdale Garbee > Branden Robinson > Enrico Zini > Jeroen van Wolffelaar, interim chair > Steve Langasek > > Agenda > -- > > 1. Appoint a secretary > Responsibilities may include: > - Preparing minutes for meetings > - Determining availability of team members for future meetings > 2. Determine whether the leadership team needs a public-facing > contact > address > 3. Collect report from each member on leadership-relevant mails > received privately since the election results were announced > 4. Discuss pending funding requests > 5. Discuss whether the leadership team needs new members > 6. Current issues in Debian > - Release status > - Stable security status > 7. Assign task: review the formal delegations made by previous DPL, > adjust delegations to fit reality, and don't let any delegations > lapse accidentally > 8. Delegate team members to research and report at next meeting on > areas of Debian concern that we may want to add to our to-do > list: > - Branden and Andreas could review their own platforms > - Bdale could report on what he has learned at LCA 2005 > - Anthony, Matthew, and Angus's platforms could be distributed > among > Enrico, Jeroen, and Steve > 9. Discuss coming up with a better name for ourselves than "Project > Scud" > 10. Open discussion > > vim:set ai et sts=2 sw=2 tw=72: > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: agenda for Debian leadership team (a.k.a. "Project Scud") meeting on 2005-04-24
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005, Branden Robinson / Debian Project Leader wrote: > I realize that a closed meeting is not ideal; I welcome suggestions > on how to balance the accountability of the DPL and the leadership > team with the necessity of dealing with the occasional sensitive > issue in a more discrete manner than a public IRC channel. Could abridged logs be made available with the content that is sensitive redacted?[1] (Ideally with a notation that content has been redacted.) That would help increase the transparency of the group and eliminate the need for you all to prepare public minutes,[2] as any other interested party could prepare their own. Don Armstrong 1: If needed, I volunteer to help facilitate this, but it may be best for the current members to handle it. 2: Not that they couldn't still be prepared by the attendees, of course. -- "The trouble with you, Ibid" he said, "is that you think you're the biggest bloody authority on everything" -- Terry Pratchet _Pyramids_ p146 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
