Re: Why is there only self-nomination? [Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther]

2007-03-02 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 10:30:53AM +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> > Personally, I think the idea of a DD having to ack his nomination, though 
> > only
> > after being nominated by some (Q?) fellow DDs would be better than a plain
> > self-nomination. What do others think? 
> 
> What would be better about it? I haven't seen any concrete problems yet
> with the nominations. Last year (i.m.o.) a troll has nominated himself,
> but he was convincingly voted down.
> 
> What concrete problem would this solve?

Too many corner-case candidates hogging the ballot, hogging the list of
platforms that voters need to read, hogging the discussion, ...

I'm not saying that this happens already, but it could. In the soc-ctte
proposal, there will be a one-seconder requirement because there it will
inevitably be a problem, the ballot-cramming.

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Re: Why is there only self-nomination? [Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther]

2007-03-02 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 22:39 +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
> Personally, I think the idea of a DD having to ack his nomination, though only
> after being nominated by some (Q?) fellow DDs would be better than a plain
> self-nomination. What do others think? 

What would be better about it? I haven't seen any concrete problems yet
with the nominations. Last year (i.m.o.) a troll has nominated himself,
but he was convincingly voted down.

What concrete problem would this solve?


Thijs


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Re: Why is there only self-nomination? [Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther]

2007-03-02 Thread Frank Küster
(moving away from private)

Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Personally, I think the idea of a DD having to ack his nomination, though only
> after being nominated by some (Q?) fellow DDs would be better than a plain
> self-nomination. What do others think?

I fear it wouldn't work in practise.  I have no idea whether the people
I value, and would like to see in the position of DPL, have any
inclination and, in particular, the needed free time to do so.  It
doesn't make much sense that everybody starts sending e-mails around "Hi
$foo, I think you are $bar, would you mind me nominating you for DPL?".

There are two approaches to solve this practical problem.  One is that
effectively we continue with self-nomination, just that the candidate
needs to collect seconds before he goes public.  The other would be that
we would form "policital" parties who decide internally whom they
nominate.

I do not want political parties in Debian.

> PS: Feel free to copy my part to a public list...

Done.

Regards, Frank
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