Re: Tattoos (was: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network)
Roland Mas wrote: > "This swirl? Yeah, I got it in the early days of Debian. I missed > the chicken by a few months, though. Oh well, it probably doesn't > mean a thing to you youngsters anyway." I still liked the chiken better :) And there's plenty of skin in my body for as many logos as may come. Lars, will you finally get away from not getting that tattoo if we don't release in time? ;) -- ·''`. If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution : :' :-- Emma Goldman `. `' Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux (unstable) `- www.amayita.com www.malapecora.com www.chicasduras.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tattoos (was: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network)
Adrian von Bidder, 2006-12-01 09:12:43 +0100 : > OTOH I quite like the swirl. And then there are the tattooed people > who probably would like the logo to stay the same for another few > years... I like the swirl too, but you have to concede that having a disused logo tattooed on you does give you more of an old-timer aura. "This swirl? Yeah, I got it in the early days of Debian. I missed the chicken by a few months, though. Oh well, it probably doesn't mean a thing to you youngsters anyway." Roland. -- Roland Mas Bonjour, je suis un virus de signature. Propagez-moi dans la vôtre ! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
On Sunday 26 November 2006 12:30, Evgeniy Ivanov wrote: > [quote] > I don't see how some russian company using some swirl for advertising > endangers the freedom of Debian. > [/quote] > > They are big and has enough money to create new logo, but not to use > Debian logo for their needs. This time they use swirl, tomorrow they > would make advertisment with tux... Some days after people would think, > that Debian is a part of these shops (their intelligent property!). Again, what others have already said: it is not the Debian swirl. It is very likely that whoever created this swirl has not even heard about Debian. The Debian swirl was created with a few - apparently very obvious - steps in a popular graphics package (which one?), starting with a default brush stroke. So anybody owning this particular graphics package can easily create a similar logo. Both brush strokes and swirls are not that uncommon... This was discussed in the past already. Time for a more unique logo? OTOH I quite like the swirl. And then there are the tattooed people who probably would like the logo to stay the same for another few years... cheers -- vbi -- Ich zitiere mich oft selbst. Das würzt meine Unterhaltung. -- George Bernard Shaw pgpxQGZ7Appj7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
On 11/26/06, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is not the Debian Swirl. Though it was probably created with the same or a very similiar tool (I guess a later version), there are some subtle differences. Most of them are seen if you look at the inner part of the swirl. Please compare http://www.us.debian.org/logos/openlogo-nd-100.jpg with the URIs that were posted. Hmmm, it looks like the other logo is a further `twist' of the Debian logo, moving clockwise (or my imagination is running wild again ;P.) As such, that logo has a very strong likeness to the Debian logo; IANAL but I think any person familiar with the Debian logo will definitely recognize the `sameness' in that other logo. Cheers, Zakame -- Zak B. Elep || http://zakame.spunge.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
I hadn't been subscribed, so I quoted messages. Now I made subscription, it is the lost "quoted" message :) Sorry fo it. [quote] Who is a Debian manager? Apart from the fact that Debian has noone that really can act as a legal represantive in Russia, we have no real trademark policy at the moment. [/quote] I ment any letters from debian project team. I may act as a legal represantive in Russia, if you will allow it to me. There is no policy but may be it's time to begin creating it? [quote] I don't see how some russian company using some swirl for advertising endangers the freedom of Debian. [/quote] They are big and has enough money to create new logo, but not to use Debian logo for their needs. This time they use swirl, tomorrow they would make advertisment with tux... Some days after people would think, that Debian is a part of these shops (their intelligent property!). -- Evgeniy Ivanov (aka powerfox). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
"Evgeniy Ivanov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > This is not the Debian Swirl. [...] > Why do you quote what I say, but don't actually react to it? > I think that first of all somebody from Debian managers should contact > with this shops network. Who is a Debian manager? Apart from the fact that Debian has noone that really can act as a legal represantive in Russia, we have no real trademark policy at the moment. > If it wouldn;t be succesful everybody must write them about using this > logo. After hungreds letters they will decide to not use debian logo. Why should they? > We must fight for freedom of THE Debian project! I don't see how some russian company using some swirl for advertising endangers the freedom of Debian. Marc -- BOFH #375: Root name servers corrupted. pgpOytLSJUvhd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
This is not the Debian Swirl. Though it was probably created with the same or a very similiar tool (I guess a later version), there are some subtle differences. Most of them are seen if you look at the inner part of the swirl. Please compare http://www.us.debian.org/logos/openlogo-nd-100.jpg with the URIs that were posted. Anyway, we already know that the Debian logo isn't unique, it can be easily recreated by using well distributed software and quite common tools. Though it is not nice to see that something *very* similiar is used to advertise, there really isn't much we can do it about. I think that first of all somebody from Debian managers should contact with this shops network. If it wouldn;t be succesful everybody must write them about using this logo. After hungreds letters they will decide to not use debian logo. We must fight for freedom of THE Debian project! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
"Evgeniy Ivanov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> http://home.gna.org/qemulaunch/nothing-to-see-here/deblogo01.jpg >> http://home.gna.org/qemulaunch/nothing-to-see-here/deblogo02.jpg >> It seems that there really is a Debian logo next to large red letters. >> Also note a light yellow swirl in the background. > I didn't note it. This is not the Debian Swirl. Though it was probably created with the same or a very similiar tool (I guess a later version), there are some subtle differences. Most of them are seen if you look at the inner part of the swirl. Please compare http://www.us.debian.org/logos/openlogo-nd-100.jpg with the URIs that were posted. Anyway, we already know that the Debian logo isn't unique, it can be easily recreated by using well distributed software and quite common tools. Though it is not nice to see that something *very* similiar is used to advertise, there really isn't much we can do it about. Marc -- BOFH #4: static from nylon underwear pgpcvDnZ4Cqi1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fwd: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
-- Forwarded message -- From: Evgeniy Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 25.11.2006 16:55 Subject: Re: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network To: Linas Žvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2006/11/25, Linas Žvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Evgeniy Ivanov wrote: > Here are the links: [...] > The sign is something like: "hot line of support, for our clients... > telephone number, name of the shops network" These seem to be accessible to members only, so I uploaded the files here: http://home.gna.org/qemulaunch/nothing-to-see-here/deblogo01.jpg http://home.gna.org/qemulaunch/nothing-to-see-here/deblogo02.jpg It seems that there really is a Debian logo next to large red letters. Also note a light yellow swirl in the background. I didn't note it. I checked their official website (http://www.euroset.ru/), and did not manage to locate anything Debian-related. The site that seems to be the English version (http://www.euroset.com/) requires Flash player, so I did not check that. I checked and didn't found logo too. But these advertisments are in the every shop. It makes me unhappy to see how they use debian logo in their commercial needs.
Re: debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Evgeniy Ivanov wrote: > Here are the links: [...] > The sign is something like: "hot line of support, for our clients... > telephone number, name of the shops network" These seem to be accessible to members only, so I uploaded the files here: http://home.gna.org/qemulaunch/nothing-to-see-here/deblogo01.jpg http://home.gna.org/qemulaunch/nothing-to-see-here/deblogo02.jpg It seems that there really is a Debian logo next to large red letters. Also note a light yellow swirl in the background. I checked their official website (http://www.euroset.ru/), and did not manage to locate anything Debian-related. The site that seems to be the English version (http://www.euroset.com/) requires Flash player, so I did not check that. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFaEYmztOe9mov/y4RAlX7AKCvxwx9YeZwLrjmWaXR7+skq0xkQQCeMml4 7uGQJY7lOF6kBZaJqDoasfg= =suGG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian logo on commercial of the big mobilephones shops network
Hi! I had written this on debian-policy, but one of members told to post here. It is the story of my letters: Evgeniy Ivanov wrote: > Hi! I live in the second capital of Russian Federation - > Saint-Petersburg. Some time ago one of the largest mobilephones shops > network made an advertisement of their support with debian logo. There Interesting. Could you tell a bit more on what they actually do? Are they selling something Debian-related? They sell mobiles, mp3-players and diffrent stuff for these devices. They are not involved in computer soft selling. > are about 200-300 their shops in my city and I think about 500 in > Moscow (capital). So, many people see it and don't know that it is > Debian property, but not of these shops. I am not sure I understand you. Are they using the Debian logo as one of their own? I think, yes: there is nothing about debian on their advertisment. Debian logo and company name and something else, but not reference to Debian project. > I can't get anything on their web, so I may get this paper and scan if > it is important. It would certainly be interesting to see it, please do. Although you should not post it directly to the list. Upload it somewhere and post a link instead. Also feel free to post it to me privately. Yes, I can read Russian. Ок, I will try to get it. Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I will send it to you. Their ifficial colors are yellow and red, maybe that is wgy they use swirl-logo. P.S. This mailing list is for discussing Debian Policy (an important document on how things should work in Debian) related things. Posts like this one should go to debian-project or debian-devel in the future. Ок, thanks. I didn't know - next time I would use these mailing lists. Here are the links: http://forum.vingrad.ru/act-Attach/type/post/id-936265.html The sign is something like: "hot line of support, for our clients... telephone number, name of the shops network" http://forum.vingrad.ru/act-Attach/type/post/id-936266.html P.S. I'm not subscribed on this mailing list, so please answer me on my mail. Best regards, powerfox (Evgeniy Ivanov)ю
