Re: my treatment in #debian
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008, Rahul Jain wrote: > As a regular in #debian (on OPN/freenode) for over 5 years and a > contributor to the debian project, one would expect that I would be > treated slightly better by the ops than random newbies. We hold everyone who contributes to the channel to high standards. People who regularly contribute to the channel are expected to be more considerate of people who have a problem and are frustrated because of that, and to attack the problem, not the person having the problem. Being a regular, you should have seen how all of the ops, including stew deal with combatitive users calmly, answering questions even in the face of infantile behavoir, and ideally learned from it. I'm sure you've seen me (dondelelcaro) ban and/or silence multiple people for continued personal attacks. > That, however, is not the case. "stew" (Mike O'Connor) seems to have > some personal vendetta against me and will silence me at the > slightest mention of something negative about anyone else. I've reviewed the logs of the instance in question, and temporarily silencing you (as was done) to attempt to return the channel to positively attacking the problem was an appropriate action, and one that I would have taken had I been there myself. You could have easily resolved this issue yourself by dealing politely with the user, and utilizing /ignore if the user's problem was especially aggravating. > Sometimes, my entire company, ITA Software (approx 500 people), is > silenced, and the developers here are active debian users and > supporters to a large degree, particlularly the ones with the most > linux experience here. Silences often have side effects. We try to minimize them, and if at any time one of your colleagues were to ask for an exemption, it would be granted as a matter of course. > Maybe I am just not wanted in the debian community, and I should > refrain from contributing. That's entirely your decision to make. However, please weigh contributions you make to the community in terms of their positive and negative aspects, and refrain from making negative contributions. Don Armstrong -- The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. -- Adolf Hitler _Mein Kampf_ p403 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my treatment in #debian
>As a regular in #debian (on OPN/freenode) for over 5 years and a >contributor to the debian project, one would expect that I would be >treated slightly better by the ops than random newbies. As a regular in #debian on freenode for over 5 year, you should know that: A) you should not get into arguments about Australian tax law in #debian B) That you shouldn't call people morons in #debian C) That you shouldn't call people morons in #debian right after I told you not to call people morons in #debian D) debian-project is not the right place to address this type of problem. If you have a problem with the way I am acting as an operator in #debian, bring it up in #debian-ops or talk directly to dondelelcaro who has authority over me in such matters. stew signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: my treatment in #debian
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 05:16:45PM -0400, Rahul Jain wrote: > As a regular in #debian (on OPN/freenode) for over 5 years and a > contributor to the debian project, one would expect that I would be > treated slightly better by the ops than random newbies. Quite the contrary, Regulars are held to higher standards than random newbies, as they (if they want or not) represent Debian to the user community. So while the channel moderators might let a random newbie rant for a while, ad-hominem attacks of regulars towards newbies should not be tolerated by the Debian project, IMO. This is my general opinion, I have not seen or reviewed the incident in case. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my treatment in #debian
Rahul Jain wrote: > As a regular in #debian (on OPN/freenode) for over 5 years and a > contributor to the debian project, one would expect that I would be > treated slightly better by the ops than random newbies. I guess if you're such a frequent user of the channel you do know that there is #debian on irc.debian.org (OFTC)? I guess if you have regular problems with stew on that channel you informed at least all the channel ops and maybe also the staff of the Freenode network? Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
my treatment in #debian
As a regular in #debian (on OPN/freenode) for over 5 years and a contributor to the debian project, one would expect that I would be treated slightly better by the ops than random newbies. That, however, is not the case. "stew" (Mike O'Connor) seems to have some personal vendetta against me and will silence me at the slightest mention of something negative about anyone else. When a newbie insults me, however, there are no consequences. When I complain about this treatment, I get silenced. Sometimes, my entire company, ITA Software (approx 500 people), is silenced, and the developers here are active debian users and supporters to a large degree, particlularly the ones with the most linux experience here. I do not understand what I have done to make stew so opposed to me personally, and many regulars can attest to my contributions to the channel over the years. A good number of those regulars were originally newbies and gained their respect for me through my guidance, which, while harsh at times, was what made them learn debian effectively enough to become helpful contributors to #debian, in turn. If this is how regulars are to be treated in a quasi-official debian support forum, I am not sure what kind of message the debian project is trying to send. Maybe I am just not wanted in the debian community, and I should refrain from contributing. -- Rahul Jain debian user and advocate since 2000 contributor to the debian installer and common lisp packaging -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
