Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Valessio S Brito wrote: > How can we devise problems and find solutions, without doing an > experiment? Freenode already has one, which can be used. If people want one for OFTC[1] they should work with OFTC to create one. > I believe that a web interface facilitates and increases > participation. Example in DebConf10 when he was in the WebChat > http://debianart.org/live (cgiirc on OFTC) Consider yourself volunteered! I'm not against it, I'm just pointing out problems that may not have been foreseen so whoever steps up to do the work can avoid those pitfalls. Don Armstrong 1: There may already be one in existence; I didn't find it with a few minutes of searching, though. -- It was a very familiar voice. [...] It was a voice you could have used to open a bottle of whine. -- Terry Pratchett _The Last Continent_ p270 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100928043619.gw6...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
How can we devise problems and find solutions, without doing an experiment? I think there types of libre #channels and private. Proposal: To access the private channel, the user must have a registred nickname on the OFTC and be nominated by other users who have access to the private channel. Example: #debian-*any*, #debian-people, #debian-local-team, etc. (libre users and anonymous)... #debian-project (private, only with password or invite.) I believe that a web interface facilitates and increases participation. Example in DebConf10 when he was in the WebChat http://debianart.org/live (cgiirc on OFTC) .ValessioBrito Citando Don Armstrong : On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: > Almost invariably, web-based chats like this that are launched without > coordination with the network that they are talking to lead to abuse > and the eventually banning and/or k-lining of involved hosts. > > #debian routinely bans the webchat on freenode, and I've no doubt that > we'll be routinely banning other web chats which are used without > authentication. Do the freenode webchat users not get assigned the IP address of the user connecting to the web server rather than the IP address of the webserver itself? IIRC for the Indymedia webchat we implemented the former. They get an encoding of the IP which is constant if the official webchat interface is being used. Unfortunately, people tend to use them (and tor) as a mechanism to hide their identity so that they can be a nuisance, and it means that any time we ban someone by IP, we later have to come back and ban their encoded IP on the webchat, etc. My real concern is for uncoordinated webchats, though. We try to keep coordinated ones unbanned in #debian, but if a problem comes from them, we tend to err on silencing them instead. Don Armstrong -- It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -- Frederick Douglass http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- ://ValessioBrito.info Comunicação e Tecnologia mobile: +55 71 VALESSIO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100927224348.10521uwl4vmvh...@ssl.eumx.net
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: > > Almost invariably, web-based chats like this that are launched without > > coordination with the network that they are talking to lead to abuse > > and the eventually banning and/or k-lining of involved hosts. > > > > #debian routinely bans the webchat on freenode, and I've no doubt that > > we'll be routinely banning other web chats which are used without > > authentication. > > Do the freenode webchat users not get assigned the IP address of the > user connecting to the web server rather than the IP address of the > webserver itself? IIRC for the Indymedia webchat we implemented the > former. They get an encoding of the IP which is constant if the official webchat interface is being used. Unfortunately, people tend to use them (and tor) as a mechanism to hide their identity so that they can be a nuisance, and it means that any time we ban someone by IP, we later have to come back and ban their encoded IP on the webchat, etc. My real concern is for uncoordinated webchats, though. We try to keep coordinated ones unbanned in #debian, but if a problem comes from them, we tend to err on silencing them instead. Don Armstrong -- It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -- Frederick Douglass http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100927210936.gm22...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: > Almost invariably, web-based chats like this that are launched without > coordination with the network that they are talking to lead to abuse > and the eventually banning and/or k-lining of involved hosts. > > #debian routinely bans the webchat on freenode, and I've no doubt that > we'll be routinely banning other web chats which are used without > authentication. Do the freenode webchat users not get assigned the IP address of the user connecting to the web server rather than the IP address of the webserver itself? IIRC for the Indymedia webchat we implemented the former. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktin=x3huezcv42vzs8aegxylwx6y99gzgypdh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Valessio S Brito wrote: > There is "cgiirc", I think it quite functional. Example run: > http://webchat.freenode.net/ > > Could anyone help with configuration and installation? Almost invariably, web-based chats like this that are launched without coordination with the network that they are talking to lead to abuse and the eventually banning and/or k-lining of involved hosts. #debian routinely bans the webchat on freenode, and I've no doubt that we'll be routinely banning other web chats which are used without authentication. Don Armstrong -- "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100823192807.gf17...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
There is "cgiirc", I think it quite functional. Example run: http://webchat.freenode.net/ Could anyone help with configuration and installation? The tricky part is configuring the OFTC a higher limit for connections coming from the same host. PS: "Add webchat to your website" is fantastic, possible any site add iframe with url direct to debian teams or channel local debian community, example: "http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=debianart"; Citando Lars Wirzenius : I'm afraid I have idea what it would take to set this up and operate it, though. Does a free software implementation exist? -- ://ValessioBrito.info Comunicação e Tecnologia mobile: +55 71 VALESSIO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100823132921.12576jzxqg7m9...@ssl.eumx.net
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I'm afraid I have idea what it would take to set this up and operate it, > though. Does a free software implementation exist? There are multiple web-based IRC clients and one or two Java applet ones, the only one available in Debian is cgiirc, which is not very Web 2.0 so is a little less friendly but works in many browsers. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktini+z=9pi-apx0bnt6e0-hjhrl2xdiopl1od...@mail.gmail.com
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On su, 2010-08-22 at 23:36 -0300, Valessio S Brito wrote: > The proposal is to have something similar to http://webchat.freenode.net/ > > Using cgiirc on webchat.debian.org or irc.debian.org or .net The one place I know that advertises a web IRC gateway is the Koha project (http://koha-community.org/). I asked on their IRC channel, and their experiences have been quite positive. The least sophisticated people are unlikely to have much experience IRC, and probably won't have an IRC client installed, so having a web IRC client will make it easier for them to get help. I'm afraid I have idea what it would take to set this up and operate it, though. Does a free software implementation exist? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1282533528.12989.433.ca...@havelock
webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
Who could help implement an interface/site faster and easier for users and contributors from Debian? Many more people could present this in the channels of the teams related to debian. It would also be an opportunity to help these people get together and do something for the project. The presence of unwanted people (trolls) may come to bother you, but you can have channel "private" or channel operators (@OP) to ban or punish this type of user. The proposal is to have something similar to http://webchat.freenode.net/ Using cgiirc on webchat.debian.org or irc.debian.org or .net This discussion has been raised in debian-www[1], but indicated that perhaps here would be the ideal way to get support. [1] http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-cgiirc-on-irc.debian.org---p29322246.html -- ://ValessioBrito.info Comunicação e Tecnologia mobile: +55 71 VALESSIO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100822233610.17057e8pnlc6i...@ssl.eumx.net
