Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
On Fri, 05 Apr 2019 15:21:06 + chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > Indeed there is Icecat that is DRM free. > > Iceweasel-UXP just covers some more of the criteria of what people > would consider less frustrating or is closer to a real fork since > they change things at the code level. > > It would be interesting if there was a version of Icecat based on > Iceweasel-UXP. > > The other one that's similar is Palemoon, but it doesn't have WebRTC. > Generally a good thing but sometimes WebRTC is wanted for jitsi. > > Cheers, > > chillfan > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Friday, April 5, 2019 3:10 PM, al3xu5 / dotcommon > wrote: > > > Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 13:50:03 + > > chill...@protonmail.com ha scritto: > > > > > > Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package > > > another browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from > > > the hyperbola project. > > > > > Another is the GNU/IceCat browser: > > > > > - IceCat project > > https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ > > > > > - downloads: > > https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ > > > > > - bug-gnuzilla mailing-list archives > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/ > > > > > - user documentation > > https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/ > > > > > Regards > > > > > -- > > al3xu5 > > > > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial > > design restrictions. > > > > > > Public GPG/PGP key block > > ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 > > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > > > > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > You can still compile palemoon yourself and enable WebRTC. -- / The chat program is in public domain. \ | This is not the GNU public license. If | | it breaks then you get to keep both| | pieces. (Copyright notice for the chat | \ program) / \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
Indeed there is Icecat that is DRM free. Iceweasel-UXP just covers some more of the criteria of what people would consider less frustrating or is closer to a real fork since they change things at the code level. It would be interesting if there was a version of Icecat based on Iceweasel-UXP. The other one that's similar is Palemoon, but it doesn't have WebRTC. Generally a good thing but sometimes WebRTC is wanted for jitsi. Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 5, 2019 3:10 PM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 13:50:03 + > chill...@protonmail.com ha scritto: > > > Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another > > browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola > > project. > > Another is the GNU/IceCat browser: > > - IceCat project > https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ > > - downloads: > https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ > > - bug-gnuzilla mailing-list archives > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/ > > - user documentation > https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/ > > Regards > > -- > al3xu5 > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design > restrictions. > > > Public GPG/PGP key block > ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 13:50:03 + chill...@protonmail.com ha scritto: > Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another > browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola > project. Another is the GNU/IceCat browser: - IceCat project https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ - downloads: https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/ - bug-gnuzilla mailing-list archives https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnuzilla/ - user documentation https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:IceCat/ Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key block ID: 4096 bit RSA key 69C5977BF94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpHvK5uhKXfT.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
Might potentially be a solution if anyone did decide to package another browser to try to solve the problem, since it comes from the hyperbola project. They follow a "when it's ready" release cycle afaik which probably means they have patches of their that can be applied, making things a little easier. Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 5, 2019 1:13 PM, wrote: > I like the idea of Iceweasel-UXP[1] as a more recent and complete firefox > replacement without DRM, especially if trimmed down a little. > > [1]: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp > > Cheers, > > chillfan > publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frustration with browsers.
The problems as I see them are: Browsers either have DRM or they are bloated with features some don't expect to be there and are no modularity at all. Sometimes you can disable a feature but not remove it. The alternatives are often not packaged by Debian, so if they don't have it then we'd need to package it ourselves. Firefox and derivatives are sometimes very large. Things move fast and the alternatives don't provide a long term support cycle afaict. Since they would need to be maintained for a whole release cycle (and LTS) that makes it more awkward to package. I like the idea of Iceweasel-UXP[1] as a more recent and complete firefox replacement without DRM, especially if trimmed down a little. [1]: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp Cheers, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, April 5, 2019 12:23 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:06:14AM +, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > > > There are many of us frustrated with web browsers and the web in general, > > Is there anything that can be done about this? > > Browsers seem to be an all-or-nothing kind of nonmodularity. > > Yet they should have components that can be used independently. > > I can see > > a hugely complicated display mechanism that takes HTML, pdf, and other > file formats and displays them. (This could easily be several > mechanisms, of course) > > A user-interface system that gives the user some influence in deciding > which files are to be displayed (and implicitly fetches them using a > variety of protocols or refuses to do this on the basis of security > concerns which may conflict with the user's). This is a largely > nonprogrammable interface. > > > > A number of these tools would be quite useful if they could easily be > called independently from any relatively sane and bug-resistant > high-level language (user's choice). > > I'd very much like to be programmatically in charge of the browser. > I'd like to be able to make it do things not in the immediate vision of > the large organisation providing it -- without starting over from > scratch. > > -- hendrik > > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng publickey - chillfan@protonmail.com - 0xB179B25B.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
