Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 11:09 -0500, Dennis Rogers wrote: > Only one digital board. > When they put two in there you can. at what cost I was referring to analog, which is what I thought the question was about. You are correct, it cannot do either in digital mode. > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Brian Mury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > What the IC-2820 does not do is receive TWO D-STAR (digital) > > > > transmissions at the same time. > > > Is it capable of VV/UU and X band analog? > > > > Yes and yes. > > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > > Dennis, N5VRP > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dstar User / Gateway Admin / D-PRS Provider > ARRL Member > Cactus-Intertie Member > AMSAT Member, President's Club > > 73's from SATX, EL09rk > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
Only one digital board. When they put two in there you can. at what cost On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Brian Mury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What the IC-2820 does not do is receive TWO D-STAR (digital) > > > transmissions at the same time. > > Is it capable of VV/UU and X band analog? > > Yes and yes. > > > -- Regards, Dennis, N5VRP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dstar User / Gateway Admin / D-PRS Provider ARRL Member Cactus-Intertie Member AMSAT Member, President's Club 73's from SATX, EL09rk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
> > What the IC-2820 does not do is receive TWO D-STAR (digital) > > transmissions at the same time. > Is it capable of VV/UU and X band analog? Yes and yes.
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
I would like to know your results. Maybe narrow a few down.. James KB7TBT NEGARC Activities Manager www.kb7tbt.com www.ne4ga.org www.myspace.com/kb7tbt
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I can understand your point as you are an ARES EC. I am but a humble tech class who wants to learn, and who does not have a budget to put into such a rig at this time. Matt / N3WNX
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My bad typo...I meant $559.95. Matt / N3WNX john_ke5c wrote: >> I chose the ID800H over the IC2820 for two reasons: >> 1) Price >> b) ID800H $$859.95, D* included. >> > > $859.95??? I've purchased two, both in the low $500's, but that was > before the price increase a month or so ago. Just for comparision, > Gigaparts is asking $579.99 today. Others may be a few bucks cheaper. >
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
Is it capable of VV/UU and X band analog? James KB7TBT NEGARC Activities Manager www.kb7tbt.com www.ne4ga.org www.myspace.com/kb7tbt > James: > > Welcome to D-STAR ... > > Just to clarify a bit on Steve NU5D's comments: > > > What the IC-2820 does not do is receive TWO D-STAR (digital) > transmissions at the same time.
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
We are a commercial Icom dealer and I can say that the new model mics ( 3 or 4 different) all sound radically different on the same radio. Some are really bass'y... a change-out might improve the 800H. I have a 800H at home, I can bring it to work and try.. The public safety mobiles use a much more bass'y sounding mic than some of the narrowband trunking radio.. I suspect they are bandwidth limiting either accidentally or intentionally ... the audio pass band... Many of the older model radios sound like cr*p with the new mics we are still trying to sort it out. I would not be surprised if this affects the 800H Doug KD8B . Oh yeah, the 800H also comes complete with the tinny audio it's now >becoming known for, too. > >Personally, I'd rather have the 2820, but I have an 800H because I can't >justify the $400 price difference. I already own a GPS.
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Bob McCormick W1QA wrote: > What the IC-2820 does not do is receive TWO D-STAR (digital) > transmissions at the same time. Two ID-800H's stacked will. And it'll only cost you $100 more than the 2820. :-) (I'm kinda joking, kinda serious.) You also of course lose the GPS capabilities and the much easier to operate user interface of the 2820... or so I've heard. I haven't operated one. I cheaped out and got the 800H. Oh yeah, the 800H also comes complete with the tinny audio it's now becoming known for, too. Personally, I'd rather have the 2820, but I have an 800H because I can't justify the $400 price difference. I already own a GPS. > I also have the IC-91AD. As with any small handheld > my complaint is trying to read all the key buttons ... > the only frustration I have with the HT is on high > power it gets HOT! The 92 model came out with additional > output levels - if I were to buy an HT today it would > most certainly be the 92. The joke is that Icom's going to come out with an Icom branded oven mitt, just for the IC-91AD. The rig WILL burn you if you're long-winded (say... oh... emergency comms or similar...) and operating on high power. When it's all said and done, if you can afford it, buy the "later models". The IC-92AD and the IC-2820. The user interfaces are better, they sound better on-air, and generally ... are better. But there's NOTHING wrong with buying the cheaper ones if buying a 2820 would be a financial burden, but you want to get into D-STAR. Just be aware of their limitations... and smile because you saved hundreds of dollars over their cousins. (GRIN) Nate WY0X
[dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
> Price, priceless when it comes to saving lives. worthless if you bicker about it. Hi-hi Evans! (Laughing in Morse code, perhaps you've heard of Morse or his code?) Just curious, but who was it that died because emcomm used an ID-800H instead of a IC-2820? 73 -- John
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I will have to blast both of you for this... not flame now 2820, best used for EMCOMM operations... why? you can dual monitor, better yet, you can send data on UHF or VHF and still listen to your local ANALOG repeater on the opposite bandV/U DATA or V DATA / U, fits my needs as an EC. Second of all, with the HUD with the GPS COMPASS and RANGE, makes SAR work simple, EVEN when you have ui-view hooked up and reading data from the data port, or using it for GPS. Yeah, I like that too, kinda techie, but it serves it's purpose. I can be on uiview with GPS pushing into the laptop on com1, or using com1 to read the GPS-A from the data side and have it plot on uiview, without having to use the dstar monitor application... pretty nifty. Price, priceless when it comes to saving lives. worthless if you bicker about it. Evans POLK ARES EC who used it(2820) for our 'TS FAT FAY' evolution. -Original Message- From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john_ke5c Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:20 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question > I chose the ID800H over the IC2820 for two reasons: > 1) Price > b) ID800H $$859.95, D* included. $859.95??? I've purchased two, both in the low $500's, but that was before the price increase a month or so ago. Just for comparision, Gigaparts is asking $579.99 today. Others may be a few bucks cheaper. > Also, the 2820 only allows digital on one frequency at a time (ie, > you can't be digital on 2M and 440 at the same time). Excellent point! I'd not thought of that because I could not swallow the price tag, but you would need two AMBE decoders to listen simultaneously to two digital bands (and it only comes with one), so it's really still a mono-band digital radio. 73 -- John
[dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
> I chose the ID800H over the IC2820 for two reasons: > 1) Price > b) ID800H $$859.95, D* included. $859.95??? I've purchased two, both in the low $500's, but that was before the price increase a month or so ago. Just for comparision, Gigaparts is asking $579.99 today. Others may be a few bucks cheaper. > Also, the 2820 only allows digital on one frequency at a time (ie, > you can't be digital on 2M and 440 at the same time). Excellent point! I'd not thought of that because I could not swallow the price tag, but you would need two AMBE decoders to listen simultaneously to two digital bands (and it only comes with one), so it's really still a mono-band digital radio. 73 -- John
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James: Welcome to D-STAR ... Just to clarify a bit on Steve NU5D's comments: > For a mobile the IC2820 with GPS and DSTAR does OK. > It is truly dual band, and dual receive. What the IC-2820 does not do is receive TWO D-STAR (digital) transmissions at the same time. For example - I can have in the first VFO a frequency in the 70cm band for DV (D-STAR) and in the second VFO an analog frequency ... and listen to both at the same time. But when you put a DV mode in simultaneously for both VFO's only one can be active at a time. I guess this is because of the architecture of the rig; there's a small UT-??? add-in module that provides the DV (D-STAR) functionality. I like the 2820 - so much so I may buy another for a "base" radio for the home QTH. I also have the IC-91AD. As with any small handheld my complaint is trying to read all the key buttons ... the only frustration I have with the HT is on high power it gets HOT! The 92 model came out with additional output levels - if I were to buy an HT today it would most certainly be the 92. 73 Bob W1QA
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
Tom's correct, the 2820 is more expensive, but, as I mentioned earlier, the 2820 is the preferred choice (by me). I only purchased the 800 as a backup, for EmComm use at the local EOC, since the price was a good one (got it used). Otherwise, would have purchased another 2820 for the backup. I'd get on the net or phone with your favorite dealer and do some discussions, getting a better idea of what cost what. This forum would better serve as helping you choose what would be best for your particular needs. You have several choices, and not everyone needs the top of the shelf 2820. I would also strongly suggest that you consult your local group that is already in D*. They would be able to give you a very good amount of advise on what will serve you best (I would hope). You can also spend some time on the links below. http://www.dstarinfo.com/ http://www.dvdongle.com/DV_Dongle/Home.html( a tool that makes your laptop or desktop a D* radio) http://d-rats.danplanet.com/wiki/(really neat software!!! featured in the recent QST) http://dstarusers.org/ http://n6six-hamshack.50megs.com/custom_1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8dUJp0rc0g I know it's a lot to look at, but the more info you soak up, the better decision you'll make. Hope this helps, doug k4gkj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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It's a true dual-band radio. Fran, W1FJM _ From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:03 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question was under the impression that the 800 was the more expensive radio what made the 2820 more expensive? Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA - Original Message - From: "Doug Bennight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:k4gkj%40embarqmail.com> com> To: mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 15:45 Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question I own the 2820 and an 800. The 2820 is a bit more costly, but is much more user friendly, and offers true dual band. I don't own a D* capable HT yet, but when I do, it will be the 92ad for the purpose of being more rugged and water resistant. doug k4gkj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
No, the 2820 is more expensive, especially when you add the D-STAR board (approx. $950 vs. $575 for the 800). The 2820 adds dual receive, diversity antenna reception capability (2 antenna ports), and a built-in GPS receiver with the D-STAR board. You have to connect an external GPS receiver to the 800 for DPRS functionality. 73, Tom Rhodelander, NM0N On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Ray T. Mahorney < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > was under the impression that the 800 was the more expensive radio what > made the 2820 more expensive? > Ray T. Mahorney > WA4WGA > - Original Message - > From: "Doug Bennight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 15:45 > Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question > > I own the 2820 and an 800. The 2820 is a bit more costly, but is much more > user friendly, and offers true > dual band. > I don't own a D* capable HT yet, but when I do, it will be the 92ad for the > purpose of being more rugged > and water resistant. > > doug > k4gkj > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the > original message in reply unless > needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
was under the impression that the 800 was the more expensive radio what made the 2820 more expensive? Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA - Original Message - From: "Doug Bennight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 15:45 Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question I own the 2820 and an 800. The 2820 is a bit more costly, but is much more user friendly, and offers true dual band. I don't own a D* capable HT yet, but when I do, it will be the 92ad for the purpose of being more rugged and water resistant. doug k4gkj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links
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I own the 2820 and an 800. The 2820 is a bit more costly, but is much more user friendly, and offers true dual band. I don't own a D* capable HT yet, but when I do, it will be the 92ad for the purpose of being more rugged and water resistant. doug k4gkj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
> Is there a Google map or a Google Earth overlay for nodes? In D-Star jargon, those are gateways rather than nodes. Left-click and hold to pan, use the zoom control top left to change resolution: http://www.jfindu.net/DSTARRepeaters.aspx 73 -- John
[dstar_digital] Re: Newbie Question
Hi James, for DSTAR, for the time being, ICOM is it. Alinco has their own digital format that is not compatible with DSTAR. Kenwood re-labels the Icom ID800 in Japan but does not produce their own DSTAR Radio. Yeasu will not pursue DSTAR for the time being. For a mobile the IC2820 with GPS and DSTAR does OK. It is truly dual band, and dual receive. For a portable I own an IC91AD but would like the ruggedness and extra memory capacity of the IC92 - I am not inclined to get the weather proof GPS microphone. Your mileage may vary - 73, Steve NU5D ps - welcome to the list. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "James - KB7TBT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the best radio? > What is the most popular band? > Mono Band, Dual Band, Tri Band? > Power output needs. > Is there a Google map or a Google Earth overlay for nodes? >
