[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Camille Guay]

Pls i want good ubuntu notifs

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Debian:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Mekk]

** Attachment added: "KDE in action (green circle moves signaling remaining 
time)"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/390508/+attachment/5457080/+files/expiring_notify.png

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Debian:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Mekk]

Hello from 2020. Under KDE Plasma those timeouts work perfectly
(including delicate way of signalling that they are on their way towards
expiring) and I use them gladly.

Regarding purpose: I frequently use notify-send in my scripting to
trigger notification that some build, tests, compilation, or sth
finished. And, for example, info about finished compilation should flash
and disappear, but info about failed major build is another story and
should persist much longer.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Debian:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Facundo Quiroga]

Hello from 2020, the man for notify-send now indeed has a note for the
-t parameter that "Ubuntu's Notify OSD and GNOME Shell  both  ignore
this parameter.".

However "notify-send --help" still shows the old message, which had me
wasting the last hour trying to figure out what was wrong. After reading
the comments, I feel we're being trolled.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Debian:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Bug Watch Updater]

** Changed in: notify-osd (Debian)
   Status: Unknown => Confirmed

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Debian:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Sandro Tosi]

** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #664905
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664905

** Also affects: notify-osd (Debian) via
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664905
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Debian:
  Unknown

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Colter, I addressed your use case in my 2009-10-02 comment: to
reiterate, you can’t reliably use an asynchronous notification API to
give synchronous feedback on events like volume/brightness change,
because your notification might be queued behind dozens of others. If it
happens to work with notification-daemon, that’s roughly analogous to a
Web page that works only with Internet Explorer: an interesting quirk,
but of little consequence, because most people don’t use that software
any more. As for the notify-send help text, as I wrote above on
2015-02-06, I fixed the text in bug 533631.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Colter Nakai McAddis]

Hey hey, one more person from 2017 crying out to get this bug
fixed/feature implemented.

Use Case:
My friend and I are trying to display some volume/brightness notifications for 
about 200millis on our franken-Chromebooks that we wiped and on which we 
installed Ubuntu. Alas, it seems the current solution is still:

sudo apt-get remove notify-osd
sudo apt-get install notification-daemon

Cheers to the future where sensibility prevails and someone realizes
that individuals want to use this feature for their own ends, not just
"developers" who are building applications.


Behold the notify-send help text that brought me here:

Usage:
  notify-send [OPTION?]  [BODY] - create a notification

Help Options:
  -?, --helpShow help options

Application Options:
  -u, --urgency=LEVEL   Specifies the urgency level (low, normal, 
critical).
  -t, --expire-time=TIMESpecifies the timeout in milliseconds at 
which to expire the notification.
  -a, --app-name=APP_NAME   Specifies the app name for the icon
  -i, --icon=ICON[,ICON...] Specifies an icon filename or stock icon to 
display.
  -c, --category=TYPE[,TYPE...] Specifies the notification category.
  -h, --hint=TYPE:NAME:VALUESpecifies basic extra data to pass. Valid 
types are int, double, string and byte.
  -v, --version Version of the package.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

>mpt

Glad to see this bug is still bothering you, because it still bothers
us.

bug 420583's proposal great, and it's been sitting there for seven
years.

Seven years ago there was an idea that could probably have avoided all
this trouble.

Did the x time per n characters algorithm ever really get implemented?

Where is the proposed settings dialog (aside from leolik's fork, which
has one)?

How much progress has been made toward making the hooks customizable?

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

I guess “Did I miss something?” was a rhetorical question, since
Nicholas did not subscribe to receive any answer. But he missed three
things. First, as I wrote on 2015-02-06, I fixed the man page myself
(bug 533631). Trivial bug fixes are seldom backported. Second, I did not
cite the possibility of using other software to “justify [the] design
decision”, merely to disprove the ludicrous claim of “taking away my
freedom”. And third, as I wrote on 2009-10-02, a global configuration
option would not involve the timeout parameter at all. Adding one is
part of bug 420583.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Nicholas Mati]

So... after ~6.5 years; 267 posts; and several thousand lines of
unhappy, frustrated, and/or annoyed feedback, my man page is still lying
to me about -t  actually doing something and the devs are now adding
"you can use someone else's software or write your own" to justify their
design decision. Did I miss something?

I was going to shake my head in disgust and quietly move to another
notification daemon until I saw the last few posts discussing how many
people are annoyed by this issue. I would like to add myself to the
statistic of "very unhappy, but would normally not comment on this bug
report."

Side note:
Since other operating systems were brought up in the last post, I would like to 
note that Windows 10 (and presumably Vista through 8.1) at least have a global 
configuration option for their notification timeout duration.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

"unknown", as I said two years ago, we did not "remove support": Notify
OSD never implemented the parameter in the first place. And it is also
incorrect -- and, as I suspect you know, extremely silly -- to say that
the design takes away your freedom: you have the freedom to use mate-
notification-daemon instead, to apply Ankur's patch, or to write your
own. You don't have any of those freedoms with the notification systems
on Windows, OS X, or iOS, none of which let app developers customize
notification durations either.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
  New
Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[unknown]

The design decision to remove support for the options are undermining the 
effort by developers who put it there and the whole (IMHO correct) thought 
process behind their work.
The incorrect design decision is taking away my *freedom* to use these options 
as i see fit.
Do you really want to take away my freedom? Is this what ubuntu is all about?

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
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Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

However, it's the people *not* represented on launchpad that you're
*even more* wrong about.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
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Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

>>mpt

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't understand your
lexicon.

I just think you're wrong. The group disproportionately represented on
launchpad is not who you think it is.

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Status in Ayatana Design:
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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
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Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Since queqotion and Kent both misunderstood the same word:
"Disproportionately" does not mean "the complete set of". It means
"biased towards".

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in Ayatana Design:
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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

** Also affects: ayatana-design
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
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Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Kent deVillafranca]

I agree with quequotion, you can't assume that the number of people
annoyed by these issues are limited to the number of people complaining
about it in a bug report.

Case in point, I ditched Ubuntu entirely on my desktop because systemd
rendered it unbootable.  I'm not going to file a bug report, I'm just
going to leave, because systemd is a (poor) design decision they're
apparently going to stick with no matter what... just like this notify-
OSD timeout nonsense.

Also: happy 6th birthday, notifyOSD bug!  It's comforting to know that
some things will never change.

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
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Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

>People who look for, find, and comment in bug reports are
disproportionately those who notice and are annoyed by software's
current behavior. People who don't notice, don't care about, or agree
with, current behavior don't go looking for bug reports about it.

I strongly disagree.

You aren't taking into account people who notice and are annoyed, but
don't know anything about bug reports--or even what to call "the
annoying bubble thingies that won't ever go away".

Before discovering launchpad, or the forums, or making an account,
they'll get frustrated, give up and think this, Ubuntu, and/or Linux are
[insert expletive here]--and use something else.

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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Vanessa, I added that warning to the official documentation two months
ago (bug 533631): "Ubuntu's Notify OSD, and GNOME Shell, both ignore
this parameter."

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[trendzetter]

this issue seems to scream: "We don't take feedback"

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

I don't quite understand either, and I try to be as inclusive as
possible in life, but my complaint is that there is an "official" stance
to ignore the requests for a warning on the "official" documentation
that says something works that does not.

That is inhernetly saying, "yes I officially said A works, but I also
officially decided that I will not have A work and also not mention that
it does not work."

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Eddie Dunn]

I've read the comments defending the position that the -t parameter
should be ignored. I still don't understand. I'm dumbfounded.

I can honestly see no harm whatsoever in adding support for  it.

There are plenty of use cases for which the default time out does not
work well at all. The current implementation violates the spec. Why are
you so stubborn?

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  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Sukochev Roman (Leolik)]

I don't understand, why so long can't fix that problem? I added a
timeout fix to my build of notify-osd (
https://launchpad.net/~leolik/+archive/ubuntu/leolik ), 5 years ago

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) we don't know how many people are annoyed with
this bug vs those who are not because today, we simply don't have as
many competent programmers as we did a decade ago (before the tech
industry boom) that will delve this deep into a problem amoung the
programming community.

Obviously with this many comments and complaints alone we could say that
this is an issue that isn't going away.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[elijah]

Is it just me? I noticed today that `notify-send -t TIME` has started to
actually honor the -t flag, so long as TIME is 1000 milliseconds or more
(less than 1000 milliseconds and it appears to use 2000 milliseconds).

I think I am running stock 14.10. Maybe someone accidentally implemented
-t despite the intransigence of the Ubuntu developers on this tracker.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

The majority opinion in a bug report doesn't mean anything. People who
look for, find, and comment in bug reports are disproportionately those
who notice and are annoyed by software's current behavior. People who
don't notice, don't care about, or agree with, current behavior don't go
looking for bug reports about it.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

>>mpt

It's pretty clear that the majority opinion is to have this fixed by
IMPLEMENTING the timeout parameter, not sweeping it under the rug.

The #1 reason people end up here is looking for some way to make Notify-
OSD's notifications go away faster.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

It would be great if they would accept that, but this is an issue they
"won't fix".

If they did accept your manual page fix, someone down the line would
say, "hey, wouldn't it be great if we could add a timeout option?"

Then the cycle of madness repeats (with a longer circumferance).

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Since everybody else over the past five and a half years has been more
willing to make epic bug comments decrying the ridiculousness of this
bug than to actually fix the man page, I have just submitted a fix for
the man page (bug 533631). It was a two-line change.

Anyway, the book was better.


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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

Yeah I know, I still see the OSD staying on and wondered, oh if there
were just some way to make it disappear faster if it wasn't important.

Hey, there must be a timeout option... oh wait, I'm not going to fall
for that one again.

We can waste our time on more productive issues that plaque the world
that we are MUCH MORE LIKELY TO AGREE UPON, such as:

1. Abortion.
2. Which religion is the one true religion.
3. How to school your children.
4. Reducing the diviorce rate.

Just look at all those topics where so many people agree on and have
resolved things so well, seriously, look at them, then look at this
ridiculous issue.

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[zee]

5 years later, another random person on the internet spends hours trying
to figure out why the documented -t switch won't work, eventually taking
him here only to find out that the man page is documenting a feature
that won't work.

thanks guys. i wish i could say i at least got paid for these hours, but
no such luck. it reminds me of a scene from 'The Princess Bride':

Count Notify-OSD: [admiring his torture contraption] Beautiful isn't it?
It took me half a lifetime to invent it. I'm sure you've discovered my
deep and abiding interest in pain. Presently I'm writing the definitive
work on the subject, so I want you to be totally honest with me on how
the machine makes you feel. This being our first try, I'll use the
lowest setting.

[Count Notify-OSD activates the water powered torture machine.  writhe in great pain]

Count Notify-OSD: [calmly] As you know, the concept of the suction pump
is centuries old. Really that's all this is except that instead of
sucking water, I'm sucking life. I've just sucked one year of your life
away. I might one day go as high as five, but I really don't know what
that would do to you. So, let's just start with what we have. What did
this do to you? Tell me. And remember, this is for posterity so be
honest. How do you feel?

[ cry and moan in pain]

Count Notify-OSD: Interesting.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in notify-osd package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in notify-osd package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Olivier Mehani]

** Also affects: notify-osd (Arch Linux)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Arch Linux:
  New

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

>>duncan bayne

The bug isn't in notify-send; this is part of libnotify which properly
implements the timeout specification (you can send the timeout
parameter).

The problem is in notify-osd (Canonical's notification front-end) which
does not properly implement the timeout specification (it will not
receive the timeout parameter) for no justifiable reason as I have
pointed out with quotations from Canonical's notification specs, the
freedesktop specs, and specific real-world use cases.

>>franglais.125

Welcome to the fold.

>> Everyone

Let me at this time express my appreciation for pantheon-notify, a
notification front-end from that does everything right. The
notifications do honor the timeout parameter and feature a close button
as well for when you want them to just go away. It does nothing less
than notify-osd can do and everything more.

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[franglais.125]

Well, I am one more now affected by this BUG. Yes, it is a BUG that
doesn't seem to be addressed (or people don't want to). Maybe somebody
is forcing their hands and they have to come up with justifications,
which from what I read are changing over time (just like the
documentation ;)).

One of the old arguments was that this was an option for 'developers',
not users. Guess what? I'm a user and, in the Skype options, I can
(actually, I could, but this BUG prevents me from doing so) specify the
timeout of the notifications. Well, I guess I can't now.

You might have changed the documentation, but "man notify-send" still
mentions the (useless, i.e. BUGGY) "-t" option.

I'm really tired of the total disregard and condescension towards the
community that Ubuntu takes. This BUG is really not that hard to solve,
but you just don't *want* to, despite the many many users asking for it.

I am utterly disappointed. I can live with bugs, they just happen. What
really gets to me is the attitude of Ubuntu towards its users.

Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) your arguments are simply not good enough. You
just keep jumping from place to place to justify the unwillingness of
Ubuntu to solve this.


Let me conclude: this is a BUG.

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Title:
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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Duncan Bayne]

I was developing a script based on inotify that would use very short-
lived onscreen notifications.  Turns out I can't, at least not with
notify-send; I spent some time trying to debug my script before thinking
it might be a bug elsewhere.

This needs fixing either by:

 - making osd-notify honour the setting, or
 - removing it from notify-send, or 
 - clearly documenting the issue in notify-send --help

grump :(

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Title:
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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

That's unlikely to be related. If you have a reproducible example of a
notification bubble that never disappears, please report it as a
separate bug. Thanks!

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

there's also the fact that lacking support for the timeout parameter
allows for notifications that do not reliably disappear, ever.

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[wirespot]

Fact remains that, for as long as the spec continues to say otherwise,
notify-osd and Gnome Shell are in violation of the spec.

If you intend to keep things like this, then:

* Remove the parameters from your API. Take it out of the function
signature, take it out of the command line tool. Stop fooling
programmers and users into using silently ignored parameters, that's
just bad coding!

* Document this (in the API docs, in the man page) and own up to the
fact it's a spec violation. It's in your best interest to tell people
what's going on, so you don't get more bugs like this opened.

Then you can close this bug as "fixed" – or "wontfix", depending on your
outlook on the issue.

Updating the spec is a completely different discussion. Maybe it should
be done, maybe not; deal with your mess here first.

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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
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Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

That is another example of assuming the question. Following the
standards process I described in 2014-01-02, the next step would be for
the spec to be updated, reflecting the fact that the implementations
used by most people eschew that property.

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  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

The people trying to figure out why notifications linger at the top of
the screen for way too long and cause new notifications to come in late
and pile up in a chain that can go on for several minutes are not
reading outdated documentation; they are trying to figure out what is
wrong with this implementation.

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

Besides, the documentation contradicting Ubuntu's implementation at
freedesktop.org isn't outdated.

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Vanessa, since you ask, those are four more examples of illogical
reasoning. The first is a straw man: "no we won't do that and we won't
tell you about it". Nobody has suggested that. Everyone agrees that the
man page does not match reality. As unknown and Holger have pointed out,
notify-send can't be *sure* that the the server will ignore the timeout
-- mate-notification-daemon implements it, at least -- but both Notify
OSD and Gnome Shell do ignore it, so it is ignored for most users. That
is a bug, but it is not a bug in Notify OSD, it is a bug in the man
page. It's roughly the equivalent of a Web reference describing HTML's
 element without mentioning that the browsers used by most people
now ignore it.

The second is assuming the question: "we have proven it with this thread
alone". As I said earlier, the cases described in this report are cases
for which *any* asynchronous notification system wouldn't work reliably
-- whether they had developer-configurable timeouts or not. The
notification your app triggered might be queued behind a dozen from
other apps, and therefore not appear until a full minute after you
wanted it to.

The third is an invalid premise: "Linux is community based, anyone can
contribute, the features that people want get in." Features people want
are often rejected from Linux. For example, there is no user-switchable
option to choose BFS or any other process scheduler, because to quote
Linus Torvalds, such an option would be "really bad for users in that it
forces the user to make some particular choice that the user is usually
not even aware of". The same is true for most other components of
Ubuntu, including the notification server; their designers often say no
to things. But just as with the kernel, you are welcome to install or
compile your own.

And the fourth is a sunk cost fallacy: "We've wasted so many days and
weeks on this topic, it needs to be addressed". The word count in this
bug report is not evidence of anything except people's awe-inspiring
willingness to post comments instead of fixing a man page.

Finally, since you asked, Ubuntu 12.04 experiences a crash or similar
error, on average, once every 25 days, 13.10 once every 14 days, and
Trusty currently once every 11 days. The equivalent figures for Windows
are not public.

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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Holger Berndt]

The documentation patch is wrong. Notification is a client/server
infrastructure, and it is up to the server to respect or ignore certain
client requests (such as timeout settings, amonst others). The man page
of the client cannot possibly know which server the user is using. Thus,
"currently ignored" is wrong. All you can say is that some servers may
ignore certain settings.

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  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[unknown]

A similar bug on fedora -
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=781906

** Bug watch added: Red Hat Bugzilla #781906
   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=781906

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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

Where is the illogical reasoning where:

A group of people encountered a timeout option that was not working,
spent many hours of their time, lives, and energy, to figure out what
was causing it, and only to find out it does nothing but did not warm
them of so?

They posted about this, and have asked for:

1. At least a warning.
2. An option to enable or disable it.
3. To make it work as documented.

So the logical reasoning is to say, "no we won't do that and we won't
tell you about it, only way to find out is the same way everyone else
did by ending up here on this thread".


> The people who have tried to figure out why the timeout does > not work
> are going by out-of-date notify-send documentation. nh2 > kindly attached
> a patch that adds the sentence "Currently ignored" to the > timeout flag
> description. Unfortunately that implies that the change is > temporary,
> when it is not; a viable patch would just remove mention of > the flag
altogether.

Latest version does not reflect that... still.


> It is not the responsibility of a software project to contain > the union
> of all features or options provided by its predecessors. That > leads to
> overcomplexity and to increasingly unreliable and > unmaintainable
software.

This is not the union of all features, it's clearly something that needs
to be addressed and we have proven it with this thread alone.

Let's look at Windows and Linux:

Windows is commercially based, they include "features" that sell, how
often does Windows crash?

Linux is community based, anyone can contribute, the features that
people want get in. How often does Linux crash?

Having more features does not always result in overcomplexity,
increasingly unreliable, and unmaintainable software. We want meaningful
features that people are asking for, not just something that would be
"neat".

We've wasted so many days and weeks on this topic, it needs to be
addressed, not just "won't fix".

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Approaching this logically would be excellent. "The whole point of
Ubuntu and free software is to be better than commercial" is a muddled
premise -- Ubuntu is both free software *and* commercial -- but I
understand what you're getting at. Unfortunately, you have omitted the
logical route from there to "We should somehow at the very least, come
half way and allow a choice for to have the expire option or not". That
is merely an argument to moderation.

In software design, arguments to moderation are not just logical
fallacies, they also tend to make the software worse. In introducing "a
choice to have the expire option", not only would someone need to
incorporate and test Ankur's timeout behavior, someone would need to
design, implement, and test the option as well. Designing the option
would be particularly difficult, because users would find it difficult
to believe that they were being expected to care about it.

The people who have tried to figure out why the timeout does not work
are going by out-of-date notify-send documentation. nh2 kindly attached
a patch that adds the sentence "Currently ignored" to the timeout flag
description. Unfortunately that implies that the change is temporary,
when it is not; a viable patch would just remove mention of the flag
altogether.

It is not the responsibility of a software project to contain the union
of all features or options provided by its predecessors. That leads to
overcomplexity and to increasingly unreliable and unmaintainable
software. Finally, "fewer choices has always, eventually, led to
monopolies, dictators, and single source dominations" is confusing cause
and effect. Those things result in fewer choices, they are not caused by
fewer choices.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

Well let's approach this logically, scientifically, sensibly, and
reasonably.

We have an easy opportunity to add a "choice", to have the option or
not. But we are choosing not to have a choice.

The whole point of Ubuntu and free software is to be better than
commercial, to actually have the best and brightest minds contribute,
not highschool hackers who just want to make a buck and write buggy
code.

We should somehow at the very least, come half way and allow a choice
for to have the expire option or not.

Just because no one else does it does not mean we should not have that
option (note I am not saying that we absolutely must have it, but a
choice).

We can choose to use Linux, Windows, or Mac, or something else entirely,
we can and should have a choice to enable such a timeout/expire in our
OSD displays. Note that I said choice to enable or disable on the server
side, not explicitly accepting expire arguments on the client side.

With regards to the "silent majority", we don't know how many people
have come across this bug, we don't know how many people want it or do
not want it.

But we have many comments from people who have spent many hours trying
to figure out why the expire timeout was not being detected so I think
placing a warning about the expire timeout not being accepted is
reasonable.

Throughout history, having fewer choices has always, eventually, led to
monopolies, dictators, and single source dominations. I don't think we
are close to that with NotifyOSD, but we are going in that direction if
we explicitly deny such a choice.

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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Notify OSD was inefficiently tracking its bugs in two places, the
project and the Ubuntu package, an example of bug 76416. Now we've
migrated to tracking bugs just on the package. To briefly list your
resulting errors, (1) that this is a bug is assuming the question, (2)
the cases described in this report are cases for which *any*
asynchronous notification system wouldn't work reliably, (3) describing
how to satisfy their need is not failing to recognize their need, (4)
taking offense does not demonstrate that you are right, (5) "Canonical"
has only two "n"s, (6) I have spent much more time on this bug report
than someone who doesn't care would, (7) the silent majority does not
necessarily agree with you or even care, and (8) other OSes don't let
app developers customize notification durations either.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

No longer affects notify-osd?

When is someone with the authority and the ability going to wake up and
realize that this bug needs to be fixed, and the way to fix it is to
implement the expire_timeout parameter as specified.

There are plenty of specific cases pointed out in this report of users
and developers who require support for the expire_timeout parameter.
Failing to recognize their need is insulting; it sends the message that
Cannonical doesn't care.

For every one person who goes to the trouble of creating a launchpad
account and posting a comment on a bug report, how many give up and
assume nothing can be done? How many stop using Ubuntu? How many stop
using Linux?

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

** No longer affects: notify-osd

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

I was not out to program anything the day I found out about this
problem.

I was writing a shell script just to get something displayed on screen
after a key press. I found out about notify-osd and used it, it took 5
seconds for me to figure out how to use it.

Then I realized that notifications were backlogged and I couldn't figure
out why. notify-send did not warn that the expiration timeouts were
being ignored.

If you call me a programmer just for writing a shell script I feel
disproportionately-honored.

It's just a shell script, that I spent two days trying to figure out
what was wrong and my time is valuable, there was no notice that an
option was being ignored.

My gripe is that it was being ignored and no warning was being printed
as it was. That will waste a lot of people's time, and cause a lot of
users to wonder who the bad programmer was to see a notification on
screen repeat for several minutes and no way to get rid of it.

My workaround for killing the backlog stack was:

#!/bin/bash
pkill notify-osd
notify-send "Current value is $VALUE"

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[wirespot]

@mpt: The problem isn't just that some devs chose to ignore a spec. It's
also the fact that they told nobody about it; and other devs are forced
to waste time discovering this fact.

Either follow the spec; or change the spec so people will know what to
expect. Both variants are one-liner patches. It's an extremely simple
fix, one way or another. For the love of God, it's been three and a half
years. Can we please stop pretending that this isn't a problem and just
apply either fix?

[On a side note, yes, it is poor programming to ignore an API and to
think one comment in one implementation makes it alright. Giving
examples of other bad programming is not going to change that.

Also, I see 143 people affected by this bug; all of them are most likely
programmers who wanted to use timeout_expire. How many programmers are
working on notifyOSD and Gnome Shell, combined? Who's in the minority,
again?]

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

When you first encounter a specification for a language or a protocol,
it is common to consider it as inviolable. If a program implements the
specification to the letter, everything will be okay, right? But it
isn't so -- as any developer of an RSS parser, Imap client, or Web
browser could tell you.

Instead, specification authors and implementors engage in a slow-motion
negotiation about the de-facto workings of the thing being specified.
For example, the HTML specification used to contain a  element.
Browser developers decided they didn't want it, so it was removed.
Similarly, the HTML specification currently describes a "srcset"
attribute, implemented by WebKit, but the Firefox developers have
decided it's a bad idea and they'll implement something else instead.
But then or now, nobody would seriously respond to the statement
"Firefox implements the HTML specification" with queqotion's dismissal
of Notify OSD, "No, it doesn't". Those decisions were just part of the
overall standards process.

In this case, as wirespot points out, the developers of probably the two
most-used implementations of the notifications specification -- Notify
OSD and Gnome Shell -- have *chosen* to ignore the timeout parameter. It
is not "removing expire_timeout support" as quequotion suggests, and it
is not "poor programming" as Heather suggests: it is an ab-initio design
decision in both cases. You are welcome to criticize that decision. But
since Windows, OS X, iOS, and (as best I can tell) Android don't let
apps set notification durations either, you should at least recognize
that you are in an obscure minority.

Finally, Heather, you seem to have misinterpreted my suggestion that app
developers adapt the Notify OSD code for their own purposes. I did not
suggest, and do not think, that they would need to "safely integrate it
into whatever desktop notification system the end user happens to be
using"; it would be completely separate. One example of this is in
TextWrangler, a free text editor for OS X. If you search for some text
that is not in the document, or if you type an unmatched closing bracket
or parenthesis, you are immediately (synchronously!) informed of this
using a custom overlay in the middle of the screen. These notifications
do not integrate with OS X's Notification Center at all; they would be
much worse if they did. I would enjoy seeing a text editor on Ubuntu
borrowing some of Notify OSD's code to do the same.

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  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

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  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[wirespot]

Allow me to clarify the situation.

In the Desktop Notification Specification there is nothing to suggest that the 
expire_timeout parameter is optional.
https://developer.gnome.org/notification-spec/#commands

The devs for gnome-shell and notifyOSD have taken it upon themselves to
silently(!) ignore the parameter in their server implementation. There
is a comment in the code for gnome-shell that states this, but IMHO that
is not the right way to deal with this.

I can see two logical solutions:

1) Fix gnome-shell and notifyOSD to conform to the spec. ie. stop
ignoring the expire_timeout parameter. This implies modifications to the
code (see aforementioned patch) and no modification to the spec.

2) Change the spec to explicitly advertise support for expiration
timeout via a server capability eg. if "expire-timeout" does not appear
in the list returned by org.freedesktop.Notifications.GetCapabilities()
then the client will _know_ that the expire_timeout parameter will be
ignored because the server does not support it. This solution would
imply no modifications to the code for gnome-shell/notifyOSD (they will
not have expire-timeout published in capabilities, therefore ignoring
the expire_timeout parameter becomes perfectly logical and expected.) It
will however require changes to the spec and probably to various other
client and server implementations.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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Re: [Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

Thanks for the patch, though I think eventually this issue needs to be
worked out and agreed upon.

-Vanessa

On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 04:44 +, Heather Van Wilde wrote:
> @vanessax  Buried in the comments is a patch that is supposed to restore
> full functionality.  But that, for one, doesn't address the core issue,
> and secondly, does nothing to prevent the next change done to notify-osd
> by Ubuntu devs to rebreak the system down the road.
>

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Heather Van Wilde]

@vanessax  Buried in the comments is a patch that is supposed to restore
full functionality.  But that, for one, doesn't address the core issue,
and secondly, does nothing to prevent the next change done to notify-osd
by Ubuntu devs to rebreak the system down the road.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Vanessa Lee]

Having spent 5 minutes learning about notify-osd and then 6 hours trying
to figure out what the problem was and finally coming across this, it's
appearent there is a dichotomous debate over this timeout issue.

I'm not sure if it's already mentioned before, but isn't there a way for
the user to set the server to recognize timeouts? At least this way we
don't have the fork and hack the code just to make a new notify-osd-
that-recognizes-timeout.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Heather Van Wilde]

It's amazing.  Three and a half years, almost to the day, since this
'bug' was first commented on.  I use bug very loosely, because all it is
is poor programming that the developer would rather defend than make the
few small changes required to resolve this.

There have been dozens of case uses identified for the timeout parameter
to be installed properly.

It's been documented how this failure actively prevents programs
developed for a non-Ubuntu distro from working properly in Ubuntu, and
can cause confusion and unexpected reactions when porting programs from
Ubuntu to another distro.

Many times the specifications have been brought up, documenting how the
Ubuntu devs are out of specifications set by freedesktop.  Instead
Ubuntu (as an organization even though it's one or two people speaking
on their 'behalf') has basically told people to 'make your own notify
program' if you don't like theirs.  And to Hades if you're not able to
safely integrate it into whatever desktop notification system the end
user happens to be using.

This is how OS's get fragmented and end up going in the toilet.  I
understand the GPL pretty much lets you fork the 'official' program and
muck around with it as much as you want, but the amount of effort that
has gone into defending a poorly defensible position versus the work it
would take to bring the program back in line with the standard, I can't
even accept laziness as an excuse for this anymore.

The only understandable reason this is still going on is pure and simple
bull headed stubbornness.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

>>mpt

No, it doesn't.

http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/0.9/x408.html#command-
close-notification

In section 9, notifaction D-BUS protocol specification, it clearly
states:

"The following messages must be supported by all implementations. "

Following that is section 9.1, which lists several messages that are
required to be implemented.

Among them, in subsection 9.1.2:

expire_timeout  INT32   The timeout time in milliseconds since the
display of the notification at which the notification should
automatically close.If -1, the notification's expiration time is
dependent on the notification server's settings, and may vary for the
type of notification. If 0, never expire. "

Perhaps this is where design decisions for NotifyOSD began to go wrong:
"If 0, never expire."

This specification presents a problem for Ubuntu's NotifyOSD design,
which renders notifications with no means of closing the notifications
manually. In fact, NotifyOSD renders notifications that don't accept any
interaction at all:

http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/notification/#Notification_actions

"Notify OSD bubbles cannot be clicked on themselves, nor can they
contain buttons that can be clicked: in the terminology of the Desktop
Notifications Specification, they do not accept actions."

Therefore, a timeout is the only means of closing NotifyOSD
notifications, however a notification with expire_timeout 0 would never
disappear, which is actually a problem with the freedesktop.org
specification in that it allows non-interactive notifications with an
expire_timeout of 0.

However, there is already logic in NotifyOSD to handle this specific
situation:

http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/notification/#Non-
expiring_notifications

"Some programs specify an expire_timeout of 0 to produce notifications
that never close by themselves, assuming that they can be closed
manually as they can in notification-daemon. Because this is usually
done for a message that requires response or acknowledgement, Notify OSD
presents it as an alert box rather than as a bubble."

Furthermore "if a notification does not actually need response or
acknowledgement, you can avoid it appearing as an alert box by setting
the expire_timeout to the default value of -1." So NotifyOSD has to
support expire_timeout by design after all.

There are no conflicts between fredesktop.org's specification and
NotifyOSD's design that prevent a notification from dissapearing on a
timer set by the program or script sending a notification. As there is
no need to resolve the already resolved issue of non-expiring
notifications, and no other conflict with the specification related to
expire_timeout, and the design includes a use case for the parameter,
there is no logic to support removing expire_timeout support from
NotifyOSD or it's documentation.

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Status in Message Web:
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Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

oriolpoint, Notify OSD implements the FreeDesktop Notifications spec,
and also provides synchronous feedback for volume and brightness (and
soon, for Bluetooth and Wi-Fi hardware switches as well). It is quite
common for a computer program to implement a specification, and also to
do other things.

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Sebastien Bacher]

@oriolpont: you are right, that's a bug, those are likely to be moved
out of the notification service in unity8

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
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Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[oriolpont]

Well, Notify OSD is synchronous for system volume and screen brightness.
Then, why does core ubuntu functionality go against the standard?

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Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

quequotion, the FreeDesktop notifications specification is for
asynchronous notifications. Since five years before Notify OSD was
released -- since before Ubuntu even existed -- it has been right there
in the very first sentence of the specification: "to notify the user in
an asynchronous manner of events".

I reiterated that fact in my comments in this bug report on 2009-10-02
and 2009-11-23. If you try to use it for synchronous things, such as
displaying which TV channel you've just switched to, you should not be
remotely surprised that some implementations don't do what you want.

As I said in those comments four years ago, if you want to provide
synchronous feedback, you should draw your own synchronous notification.
Notify OSD is open source, so you could copy and adapt its rendering
code if you wish.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[quequotion]

Well, it looks like the tide has turned toward sweeping this under the
rug by changing the man page...

Allow me to reiterate that this is the wrong way to fix this bug.

The correct way would be to support the timeout parameter.

That would also follow the freedesktop spec, if it still means anything
to anybody.

Case in point:

Similar to adryoman5, I'm use a script that controls a television card
and uses notify-osd to provide information much like the OSD on an
actual television. Some of the messages are relatively important, others
are unimportant.  The "--urgency" parameter is not what I'm looking for
as it only controls which messages a user will actually see (and users
have no idea how to control which messages they will actually see). The
best way to do this is to specify all the messages as "--
urgency=critical" to be certain they will actually make it onto the
screen; but some of them don't need to stay there long.

For example, when channel surfing, if I leave each CH+/- on the screen
for five seconds, by the time I've switched five channels I might still
be looking at the number of the first one, or possibly five numbers for
five different channels. That would be dumb. The numbers need to be
displayed, but they don't need to be displayed for five seconds each.
Less than a second each would be acceptable. This is not possible with
the current design.

You might ask why I just don't replace each old notification with the
next one, but then I'd have to redirect you to bug 257135

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[nh2]

The man page of notify-send in Saucy still claims "Specifies the timeout
in milliseconds at which to expire the notification".

The note in libnotify will not help users looking at notify-send.

My attached patch further up fixes that.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Papercuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

** Changed in: notify-osd
   Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix

** Changed in: notify-osd (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Won't Fix
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Sebastien Bacher]

Some notes:

* the documentation issue has been addressed in 0.7.6 by upstream with that 
commit:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/libnotify/commit/?id=91280420269c98e408adc0db1e1d1e74cf24c71c

(which adds a "Note that the timeout may be ignored by the server."
note)

* the version with that fix is in saucy

* the new version of GNOME/gnome-shell ignore that parameter the same way that 
notify-osd is doing:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701645


That's probably not likely to make the users who want to be able to configure 
that setting, but it seems to be where desktop are heading...

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #701645
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701645

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Confirmed
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[Robert Pocklington]

When someone asks me 'what does digging your heels in' mean?  I'm gonna
refer them to this page.  I mean this is just stupid.  Make the timeout
configurable - everyone's asking for it, it's easy to do.  Most people
wanting to do this for real-time updates like media streaming or guard-
like auto-testing (Rails FTW) which are totally legitimate reasons.

The users of Ubuntu have asked for what they want.  Yet it is open
source (socially-led) and our views means nothing?  Sounds like
personality is getting in the way of progress here.

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Confirmed
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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[Dx-packages] [Bug 390508] Re: notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

[nh2]

Patch attached that mentions the behaviour in the man page.

** Patch added: "0001-Mention-that-t-expire-time-is-ignored.patch"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/390508/+attachment/3812164/+files/0001-Mention-that-t-expire-time-is-ignored.patch

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Title:
  notifyOSD ignores the expire timeout parameter

Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
  Invalid
Status in Message Web:
  New
Status in Notify OSD:
  Confirmed
Status in “notify-osd” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: libnotify-bin

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ lsb_release -rd
  Description:  Ubuntu 9.04
  Release:  9.04
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ apt-cache policy libnotify-bin
  libnotify-bin:
Installed: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Candidate: 0.4.5-0ubuntu1
Version table:
   *** 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 0
  500 http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages
  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ 

  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$ cat notify-send.c | grep 
expire_timeout
static glong expire_timeout = NOTIFY_EXPIRES_DEFAULT;
{ "expire-time", 't', 0,G_OPTION_ARG_INT, &expire_timeout,
notify_notification_set_timeout(notify, expire_timeout);
  adyroman@panther:~/libnotify-0.4.5/tools$

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