[Elecraft] Winlink Express + K3S

[Nicklas Johnson]

Somewhat related to my other post, but sufficiently different that I
figured it should be its own thread: I consistently get the "Timeout in T>R
Latency Measurement" message from Winlink Express using the built-in
software Winmor TNC.

After some poking around and trying different things, I set up the K3S to
do PTT on RTS, made sure the TX delay was as short as possible, configured
Winlink to use RTS for PTT, and as far as I can tell, the switching is very
fast... but Winlink is still not happy about it.  I tried VOX as well, but
it seemed like latency should be less with RTS for PTT.

I used to get the Timeout error on my KX3 on the first transmit, but
subsequent transmissions always worked fine.

Has anyone had more success with Winlink with the K3s and with avoiding
this Timeout message?

   Nick

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[Elecraft] K3S USB soundcard mic always monitoring TX audio

[Nicklas Johnson]

While spending some quality time with the K3s tonight, I noticed that if I
switch on the "listen to" feature in Windows to listen to the USB codec
microphone audio through my computer speakers, I always hear the audio when
transmitting; ie, it behaves as though the audio being sent out the USB
Codec speakers is being monitored by the USB Codec microphone.

This was the case with the power reduced to 0, or with the unit in TX Test
mode, so I don't think it's RF bleeding through.

I also checked the MON setting and made sure it was on 0.  It had been on a
low setting when I was listening to transmit audio on the speaker plugged
into the K3S earlier.

What else should I check, or is this behavior expected?

   Nick

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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Gary Smith]

Your suggestion of my listening to me 
transmitting into a dummy on another radio 
was a good idea. However, I pulled my 
backup K3 out of its box & replaced the 
K3s with it. It's Serial #202 but it is 
updated to the final K3 specs and has most 
of the K3s upgrades so I just switched one 
for the other. I matched the config from 
the K3s to the K3 so they are set up the 
same.

Zero issues with the K3, all reports say 
the audio is excellent with no hint of 
RFI. Seems like I have a problem with the 
K3s. Unfortunate in that it was just 
returned from repair this last August but 
things happen. 

Thank you all for the replies, great ideas 
and I set the TX EQ to the settings Joe, 
W4TV, provided for this mic. The audio 
reports have been excellent so that helped 
greatly.

I'll get a RMA and send it out tomorrow.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J


> If you are using the MH4 Elecraft mic plugged into the front panel.
> Set mic to "FpL -bias". Set EQ to flat. Set Cmp to zero and adjust
> micgain for 4-5 bars ALC.  Now adjust Cmp to provide about 10dB and
> get on the air and get assistance from someone who knows your voice. 
> 
> If you´re having intermittent issues check ALL connections. If you
> have Monitor on keep it low or it will get into the mic and give you
> grief. 
> 
> Better, use another radio receiver to listen to yourself transmitting
> into a dummy load. Even on of the many SDR Dongle type will work
> great. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Oct 10, 2018, at 9:45 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, it's set at 00.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> > 
> >> check MENU CONFIG TX GATE   in the tech menu  if set to high it
> >> will do that
> >> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Nr4c]

If you are using the MH4 Elecraft mic plugged into the front panel. Set mic to 
“FpL -bias”. Set EQ to flat. Set Cmp to zero and adjust micgain for 4-5 bars 
ALC.  Now adjust Cmp to provide about 10dB and get on the air and get 
assistance from someone who knows your voice. 

If you’re having intermittent issues check ALL connections. If you have Monitor 
on keep it low or it will get into the mic and give you grief. 

Better, use another radio receiver to listen to yourself transmitting into a 
dummy load. Even on of the many SDR Dongle type will work great. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Oct 10, 2018, at 9:45 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, it's set at 00.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
>> check MENU CONFIG TX GATE   in the tech menu  if set to high it will
>> do that
>> 
>> Ed   KD7PY
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: AX1 Order Page Up but Broken?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

As per list guidelines, no personal attacks please. 

Eric
Moderator for way too long.. :-)
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> On Oct 10, 2018, at 3:51 PM,   wrote:
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> Nicely done.
> Anybody suppose he'll find a more "reputable" mail list to troll on?
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power aupply fan

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

No changes in PS operation at all since the early KPA1500s shipped. 

If the fans in the. PS do not turn off within 10 secs or so after the RF deck 
front panel power button turns it off, please contact supp...@elecraft.com for 
help.

73,

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> On Oct 4, 2018, at 7:28 PM, Dauer, Edward  wrote:
> 
>Mine works exactly as Eric says it should.  I have not uploaded any new 
> F/W, still using the original issue.  Anything change for the PS in a newer 
> version?  Just a thought . . . .
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
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>Message: 13
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 14:43:58 -0700
>From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" 
>To: Rick Stealey ,"Elecraft@mailman.qth.net"
>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power aupply fan
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> 
>Rick and everyone - There should be NO fans running in the power supply 
> after 
>turning off the RF deck from its front panel.
>Are you sure the RF deck front panel is OFF? (No lights on the RF deck FP)
> 
>The PS fan runs from the same supply that supplies the 50 V to the amp. 
> That 
>supply is definitely turned off when the RF deck front panel is off, which 
> also 
>kills the PS fans. The fans have absolutely nothing to do with the 12 VDC 
> supply 
>going to the RF deck.
> 
>In any case, no not modify how voltage is supplied to the RF deck, as this 
> will 
>not fix anything and will definitely void the Warranty.
> 
>If you are not able to resolve this issue contact our team at 
>supp...@elecraft.com or via the phone and we'll help you figure out what 
> is 
>happening.
> 
>My only thought is that there could be a short in the control cable 
> between the 
>amp RF deck and PS that is keeping the 50V supply and fans on in the PS. 
> (Or on 
>one of the connectors in the RF deck or PS.) Our support team will help 
> you 
>debug whatever is happening if its a hw issue..
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Re: [Elecraft] Worldwide Transceiver Survey

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

This thread was closed some time ago. Please, no more zombie threads :-)

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> Why is Elecraft in 2nd place? I know we can do better than that! (Selective 
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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Gary Smith]

Thanks, it's set at 00.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

Thank you for all the replies regarding 
the clipping and a thank you for the 
replies regarding proper setting for the 
Mic. That's just what I was looking for.

Unfortunately my transmit issues remain. 
I'm beginning to think there is perhaps 
something wrong with the radio. I was on 
40M today, checking out the results on my 
grounding efforts to see if that made a 
difference. Many came on to tell me I 
indeed still have a problem. One person 
said the audio effect gave them 
"goosebumps" so there's something definite 
going on.

One common thread was my signal seems to 
be cutting in & out. Although I don't hear 
it in the headphones, it must be rendered 
in a later stage. A few said it sounded 
like RFI. I'm stumped... However, when 
following Don's suggestions on adjusting 
the ALC level and then compression I 
noticed something unusual & I think, not 
right.

When I have the headset on, monitor on a 
high volume setting & I key the mic, I 
hear a very clear and loud low 
reproduction of the ambient noise in the 
room, almost like a low frequency hearing 
aid. The moment I adjust either the mic or 
compression, that character completely 
stops and the background sound in the 
headphones becomes silent. It is exactly 
to me, like hearing a rumbling background 
noise with Bose QC-15 headsets and then 
flipping the power on and hearing the 
background drop out to be replaced with 
ambient silence.

I've tried this multiple times and it is 
always the same, it's as if turning 
compression or MIC engages some noise 
cancelling from the K3s. My voice changes 
from somewhat bassy albeit clear, effect 
like talking close into a condenser mic, 
to the brighter, non bassy settings I have 
adjusted the TX EQ to be.

Does this sound familiar? If so, what 
might I look at?

Thanks again,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[KD7PY]

check MENU CONFIG TX GATE   in the tech menu  if set to high it will do that

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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Jim Brown]

On 10/10/2018 1:47 PM, bill steffey wrote:
Shure manufactures ( or at least did when I repped them) in Mexico at 
their plant. They also were maintaining capabilities of manufacturing 
in the states,,,

used to be Evanston.. now has plant in Wheeling, IL.


YES. This is generally true of REAL microphone companies, like 
ElectroVoice, Sennheiser, AKG, Neumann, and Beyer. Last I heard, EV's 
plant was in TN. Sennheiser, AKG, Neumann, and Beyer are German 
companies, and I suspect their mics are still manufactured there.


On 10/10/2018 12:56 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

It would not surprise me
if they didn't use a common element - probably manufactured
off shore - which means the read difference would be in mounting
and the wind screen which would effect handling/wind noise and
not particularly impact the response.


As a long time member of the AES Standards Committee Working Group on 
Microphones, I know engineers from most REAL mic mfrs, and I've heard 
horror stories of counterfeiting of their products, mostly from China. 
They often LOOK absolutely identical, but they are NOT the same and 
don't perform the same.


The same is true of connectors -- the common problems with the 
counterfeit parts are that they don't mate solidly, dielectrics may melt 
when you try to solder them, they may fall apart, they have dissimilar 
metals issues.


Companies like Heil and Behringer ARE buying cheap generic capsules and 
putting them in fancy housings. Big companies like Yamaha, Panasonic, 
and Sony probably DO mfr their own mic capsules and headphones.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: AX1 Order Page Up but Broken?

[kstover]

Nicely done.
Anybody suppose he'll find a more "reputable" mail list to troll on?

R. Kevin StoverAC0H

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20th…Just stop.”

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Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 11:21 PM
To: Elecraft 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: AX1 Order Page Up but Broken?

Reputable companies don’t make mistakes? Oh yeah…that’s pretty funny right 
there. For serious dude. S**t happens. C’mon, you can’t seriously believe this. 
The biggest of companies have made mistakes in website addresses, software with 
bugs that didn’t get squashed in time, you name it. But let’s talk about 
Elecraft in specific for a minute, because, yeah, impugning Elecraft’s 
character is kind of personal. For me, anyway, and, I suspect, for others here. 

First, longevity. Do you really think that a company, especially one serving a 
close-knit community like hams, would really be able to survive that long, and 
more to the point, with such a loyal following as Elecraft has? Elecraft has 
been here for 20 years more or less, and far as I know, it’s not showing any 
signs of going anywhere.

Second, track record. Track record with Elecraft is one of those good news/bad 
news scenarios. Good news: they don’t release somethinguntil it’s ready and 
relatively bug-free. Nothing is completely bug-free, and certainly when you’re 
talking about software-defined things, features can be added or completed 
later. If hardware modifications need to be introduced, they are introduced at 
reasonable cost, free if possible, generally user installable, and without 
resorting to “Oh hey, here y’all, buy another radio.” The downside to this is 
that sometimes, they are, as they say, over optimistic about release dates, so 
preorders may go unfulfilled for longer than the preorderers would like. 
Except, and here’s the good part, they don’t actually charge you until your 
preorder ships. Oh, I expect that they could, and most people wouldn’t complain 
too loudly, but they don’t. The worst thing that we have to deal with is…a 
wait. Such a first world problem. Rememberthe KX3? I do. I bought myself one as 
a sort of 25-year hamiversary present to myself. And I remember well the nail 
biting as its initial shipping dates slipped. But eureka, I got one, and I even 
got one before field day, and I even got one with a sub-500 serial number. And 
that was with an order that was, what, the day after Christmas, maybe 12 hours 
after the ordering window opened. Would a not reputable company achieve such 
loyalty that *that many* people stood in line for *that long*? 

OK, now let’s talk about service. One year warranties are pretty standard. But 
these guys will really go that extra mile for their customers. Everyone from 
the sales and customer service folks, to the tech support and repair folks, up 
to and including Wayne and Eric themselves. If something happens during any 
part of the resales to way after care, all of those guys bend over backwards to 
make it right. I’ve seen some cases where guys were offered a full and complete 
refund because they were that unhappy with some aspect of their Elecraft 
experience, and that very far outside the normal sort of parameters. Elecraft 
stands very firmly behind their offerings, and the ham community has taken 
notice. It’s no accident that new stuff is as eagerly anticipated as it is. 

Finally, and really I mean it, because if you’ve read this far you probably 
wish I’d shut up now please, there’s Wayne and Eric. They’re both on this list. 
They respond to emails personally. They offer help and guidance themselves. 
What other major ham radio company are you going to see that much hands-on 
involvement with the unwashed masses? Sure, it’s true that they’re both active 
hams, use the gear themselves, and likely as not, build things that they 
themselves love to own? Heck…Wayne said as much about the KX3 and the KX2. 
Look, these are top notch guys, straight up, passionate, and with a real heart 
for both the hobby and the community…not just the hardware. I’ve had several 
pleasant emails exchanges with Wayne, who was always patient, always gave me 
his full attention, and was never dismissive of my admittedly niche concerns. 
In short, when you question Elecraft’s integrity, you question *their* 
*personal* integrity, and I, at least, will stand up against that. For what 
it’s worth, which is, admittedly, very little. 

Anyone care to refute any of these points? Bring it.

Vy 73, de KB5ELV

> On Oct 9, 2018, at 9:11 PM, Paul pheaton...@comcast.net [KX3] 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Isn't that like you are on your dream vacation to Hawaii and they announce 
> that your flight is ready but it is broken?
> 
> Reputable companies do not do this!
> 
> Paul W3PMH
> 
> 
> On 10/9/2018 7:13 PM, Don Wilhelm donw...@embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>>  
>> Mike,
>> 
>> I

Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Jim Brown]

First, I don't think any Heil mic ought to be taken as a standard. I 
view Heil as most audio professionals view Bose -- "better sound through 
advertising."


Second, the SM58 is a single-D cardioid, and Shure's published data is 
for the mic at considerable distance from the sound source. When used 
close to a sound source, there is a LOT of bass boost as a result of 
proximity effect, so the "close-talked" response requires a lot more 
low-cut EQ.


Third, My standard recommended starting point for TXEQ for ALL mics is 
max cut of the three lowest bands, 6dB cut of the 4th (400 Hz) band.  
Some mics, including the Shure 444 and some Heil mics have an 
intentional boost around 3 kHz to compensate for the rolloff of SSB 
transmitting filters, and I view this as a GOOD thing. For mics that 
lack this boost, or have have the boost at a much higher frequency (the 
SM58 has a boost around 8 kHz), I recommend a boost of 3-6 dB in the top 
two bands. All other bands should be set "flat" (no boost, no cut).


After making these settings, adjust COMP to see about an indicated 10 dB 
of gain reduction on voice peaks, then get signal reports from a good 
listener.  These settings are for maximum talk power, NOT for high 
futility, and if done right, will multiply your effective power by about 
20 (13 dB). That will make you easier to copy on the other end, which, 
for me, also makes casual QSOs and ragchews easier on the ears when 
you're not booming in on the other end.


73, Jim K9YC



On 10/10/2018 11:07 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


If one has a flat "wide band" mic (electret) the typical TX EQ settings
needed to emulate the Heil HC4 (DX)/HC5 elements, a couple classic
"communications" mics and a typical dynamic "vocal" mic (SM58) are:

  -- SHURE --
   HC4 HC5    D-104   444    SM58
   50  -16 -16 -16    -16  -8
  100  -16 -16 -10    -16  -2
  200  -16  -3  -4 -7   0
  400   -4  -2  -3 -2  -1
  800   -0  -2  -1  0  -1
 1600   +5  +2  +3 +3  +0
 2400  +10  +5  +9 +7  +1
 3200  +10  +6 +13    +12  +4

Thanks to:  for the
HC4/HC5/D-104/444 response curves.   The SM58 data comes from
Shure's data sheet.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-10-10 11:29 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


As Bob K4TAX has pointed out and K9YC has long advocated, set the 
lower 2 bands of TX EQ to the lowest levels and set the 3rd band down 
a bit as well - that will increase your "talk power" while not 
wasting power trying to transmit those low frequencies which are not 
needed for intelligibility.  If you are into ESSB, you may differ, 
but ham radio is not HI-FI in my opinion, it is about communications 
effectiveness.




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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[bill steffey]

Shure manufactures ( or at least did when I repped them) in Mexico at 
their plant.

They also were maintaining capabilities of manufacturing in the states,,,
used to be Evanston.. now has plant in Wheeling, IL.
Those old 444 and 450 paging mics were always emphasizing the 2.5 - 3 
k region..



At 03:56 PM 10/10/2018, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
The SM58 is representative of a wide variety of the hand-held 
"vocal" mics by many manufacturers.  It would not surprise me if 
they didn't use a common element - probably manufactured off shore - 
which means the read difference would be in mounting and the wind


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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

The SM58 is representative of a wide variety of the hand-held
"vocal" mics by many manufacturers.  It would not surprise me
if they didn't use a common element - probably manufactured
off shore - which means the read difference would be in mounting
and the wind screen which would effect handling/wind noise and
not particularly impact the response.

> For my SM58 and my K3S I use the following:
>
> 50 Hz   -16
> 100 Hz  -16
> 200 Hz  - 9
> 400 Hz0
> 800 Hz0
> 1600 Hz   0
> 2400 Hz  +3
> 3200Hz   +6

For my voice, I like to set 800 Hz at -10 dB (not much energy
in that band so I reduce the room noise) and then +3/+5/+6 at
1600/2400/3200 (a smooth 3 dB/octave preemphasis).  For "DX",
the +3/+5/+6 can be pushed to +5/+9/+10 (5 dB/octave) to
emulate the HC4.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-10-10 3:20 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

For my SM58 and my K3S I use the following:

50 Hz    -16

100 Hz  -16

200 Hz  - 9

400 Hz    0

800 Hz     0

1600 Hz   0

2400 Hz  +3

3200Hz   +6

The Behringer XM8500 dynamic mike gives identical performance and it 
costs only $20.    Heard one and just had to try it.  I can swap between 
the SM58 and the XM8500 and folks that I rag chew with on a regular 
basis can't tell the difference.   Even the machining pattern on the 
base is the same on both mikes.   And in looking a the elements, they 
too appear to be the same.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/10/2018 1:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


If one has a flat "wide band" mic (electret) the typical TX EQ settings
needed to emulate the Heil HC4 (DX)/HC5 elements, a couple classic
"communications" mics and a typical dynamic "vocal" mic (SM58) are:

  -- SHURE --
   HC4 HC5    D-104   444    SM58
   50  -16 -16 -16    -16  -8
  100  -16 -16 -10    -16  -2
  200  -16  -3  -4 -7   0
  400   -4  -2  -3 -2  -1
  800   -0  -2  -1  0  -1
 1600   +5  +2  +3 +3  +0
 2400  +10  +5  +9 +7  +1
 3200  +10  +6 +13    +12  +4

Thanks to:  for the
HC4/HC5/D-104/444 response curves.   The SM58 data comes from
Shure's data sheet.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-10-10 11:29 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


As Bob K4TAX has pointed out and K9YC has long advocated, set the 
lower 2 bands of TX EQ to the lowest levels and set the 3rd band down 
a bit as well - that will increase your "talk power" while not 
wasting power trying to transmit those low frequencies which are not 
needed for intelligibility.  If you are into ESSB, you may differ, 
but ham radio is not HI-FI in my opinion, it is about communications 
effectiveness.




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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

For my SM58 and my K3S I use the following:

50 Hz    -16

100 Hz  -16

200 Hz  - 9

400 Hz    0

800 Hz     0

1600 Hz   0

2400 Hz  +3

3200Hz   +6

The Behringer XM8500 dynamic mike gives identical performance and it 
costs only $20.    Heard one and just had to try it.  I can swap between 
the SM58 and the XM8500 and folks that I rag chew with on a regular 
basis can't tell the difference.   Even the machining pattern on the 
base is the same on both mikes.   And in looking a the elements, they 
too appear to be the same.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/10/2018 1:07 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


If one has a flat "wide band" mic (electret) the typical TX EQ settings
needed to emulate the Heil HC4 (DX)/HC5 elements, a couple classic
"communications" mics and a typical dynamic "vocal" mic (SM58) are:

  -- SHURE --
   HC4 HC5    D-104   444    SM58
   50  -16 -16 -16    -16  -8
  100  -16 -16 -10    -16  -2
  200  -16  -3  -4 -7   0
  400   -4  -2  -3 -2  -1
  800   -0  -2  -1  0  -1
 1600   +5  +2  +3 +3  +0
 2400  +10  +5  +9 +7  +1
 3200  +10  +6 +13    +12  +4

Thanks to:  for the
HC4/HC5/D-104/444 response curves.   The SM58 data comes from
Shure's data sheet.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-10-10 11:29 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


As Bob K4TAX has pointed out and K9YC has long advocated, set the 
lower 2 bands of TX EQ to the lowest levels and set the 3rd band down 
a bit as well - that will increase your "talk power" while not 
wasting power trying to transmit those low frequencies which are not 
needed for intelligibility.  If you are into ESSB, you may differ, 
but ham radio is not HI-FI in my opinion, it is about communications 
effectiveness.




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[Elecraft] Elecraft P3 Bar Cursor

[Ed gilliland]

My P3 cursors have disappeared.  The menu selections are there but the 
cursors do not appear when selected.  I have the latest P3 firmware loaded.


Ed W5TM

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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

If one has a flat "wide band" mic (electret) the typical TX EQ settings
needed to emulate the Heil HC4 (DX)/HC5 elements, a couple classic
"communications" mics and a typical dynamic "vocal" mic (SM58) are:

  -- SHURE --
   HC4 HC5D-104   444SM58
   50  -16 -16 -16-16  -8
  100  -16 -16 -10-16  -2
  200  -16  -3  -4 -7   0
  400   -4  -2  -3 -2  -1
  800   -0  -2  -1  0  -1
 1600   +5  +2  +3 +3  +0
 2400  +10  +5  +9 +7  +1
 3200  +10  +6 +13+12  +4

Thanks to:  for the
HC4/HC5/D-104/444 response curves.   The SM58 data comes from
Shure's data sheet.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-10-10 11:29 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


As Bob K4TAX has pointed out and K9YC has long advocated, set the lower 
2 bands of TX EQ to the lowest levels and set the 3rd band down a bit as 
well - that will increase your "talk power" while not wasting power 
trying to transmit those low frequencies which are not needed for 
intelligibility.  If you are into ESSB, you may differ, but ham radio is 
not HI-FI in my opinion, it is about communications effectiveness.




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Re: [Elecraft] 1.5V recharchable AA cells for KX3?

[Mark Goldberg]

Amazon reviews are not good for similar cells of the same brand, lots of
references to them popping and leaking chemicals out, sometimes even with
the supposed right charger. They also are reported to lose capacity quickly
with a few discharge cycles. I also expect that 3000 mAh is an
exaggeration.  I would not risk my expensive radio with them.

I just use external 4 cell LiFePO4 packs, still going strong after may
years and discharge cycles. Voltage holds up throughout the discharge cycle.

73,

Mark
W7MLG



On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 9:51 AM Bob N3MNT  wrote:

> I have not used them, however I looked at them and the discharge curve
> shows
> a very steep drop in output voltage very early on in the discharge cycle
> (15%).  Also having to remove them continually increases the potential to
> damage the ribbon cable. so I choose to stick with Eneloops
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Re: [Elecraft] 1.5V recharchable AA cells for KX3?

[Bob N3MNT]

I have not used them, however I looked at them and the discharge curve shows
a very steep drop in output voltage very early on in the discharge cycle
(15%).  Also having to remove them continually increases the potential to
damage the ribbon cable. so I choose to stick with Eneloops



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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Wes Stewart]

And if all of this fails look for a blown HPA.

Wes  N7WS

On 10/10/2018 8:29 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Gary,

If you just plugged in the MH4 and turned on bias, then I suggest that may be 
the cause of the problem.
Assuming you had the K3 set for the low output Heil microphone, you should 
change the MIC SEL menu to FP.L bias.  If you have MIC SEL still set for FP.H, 
you may be overdriving the mic preamp. The MH2 has a high output level, so you 
need only low gain in the K3.


Then initially set the compression to 0 and set the MIC GAIN to produce 5 to 7 
bars on the ALC meter while speaking into the microphone in a normal voice.


Once that is done, set the compression to a moderate level of your choice.

As Bob K4TAX has pointed out and K9YC has long advocated, set the lower 2 
bands of TX EQ to the lowest levels and set the 3rd band down a bit as well - 
that will increase your "talk power" while not wasting power trying to 
transmit those low frequencies which are not needed for intelligibility.  If 
you are into ESSB, you may differ, but ham radio is not HI-FI in my opinion, 
it is about communications effectiveness.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2018 2:10 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

My 30 year old heil element finally bit
the dust. I bought an Elecraft MH4
hand-held mic and am trying to get it
adjusted.

I checked in with a local net and was told
there is a kind of clipping on my words,
like the ends of some word were being cut
off. Another report said it sounded more
like there was an artificial sound
in-between the syllables, that it wasn't
on the peaks but noted in the the troughs,
perhaps a bit of clicking in there.

I don't hear any difficulties with the
monitor, everything sounds like normal
words with no distortion. I'm not using
VOX and have no idea what I might try
looking at to resolve this.

As to the equalizing of the MH4, is there
a set of values with the 8 bands to give
it more of a character of a Heil HC4
element or something well suited for DX?

Any suggestions on the clipping & Mic TX
EQ & what I might try doing to resolve
this?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Don Wilhelm]

Gary,

If you just plugged in the MH4 and turned on bias, then I suggest that 
may be the cause of the problem.
Assuming you had the K3 set for the low output Heil microphone, you 
should change the MIC SEL menu to FP.L bias.  If you have MIC SEL still 
set for FP.H, you may be overdriving the mic preamp.  The MH2 has a high 
output level, so you need only low gain in the K3.


Then initially set the compression to 0 and set the MIC GAIN to produce 
5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter while speaking into the microphone in a 
normal voice.


Once that is done, set the compression to a moderate level of your choice.

As Bob K4TAX has pointed out and K9YC has long advocated, set the lower 
2 bands of TX EQ to the lowest levels and set the 3rd band down a bit as 
well - that will increase your "talk power" while not wasting power 
trying to transmit those low frequencies which are not needed for 
intelligibility.  If you are into ESSB, you may differ, but ham radio is 
not HI-FI in my opinion, it is about communications effectiveness.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2018 2:10 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

My 30 year old heil element finally bit
the dust. I bought an Elecraft MH4
hand-held mic and am trying to get it
adjusted.

I checked in with a local net and was told
there is a kind of clipping on my words,
like the ends of some word were being cut
off. Another report said it sounded more
like there was an artificial sound
in-between the syllables, that it wasn't
on the peaks but noted in the the troughs,
perhaps a bit of clicking in there.

I don't hear any difficulties with the
monitor, everything sounds like normal
words with no distortion. I'm not using
VOX and have no idea what I might try
looking at to resolve this.

As to the equalizing of the MH4, is there
a set of values with the 8 bands to give
it more of a character of a Heil HC4
element or something well suited for DX?

Any suggestions on the clipping & Mic TX
EQ & what I might try doing to resolve
this?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 174, Issue 7

[Howard Hoyt]

Hi Peter,

Although we have not tested that specific brand of alkaline cell, in 
general alkaline cells when compared to NiMH or LI cells show much 
higher internal resistance.  This is of course why they are not as 
suitable for high-current use, and though the Duracell cells also 
measure 1.55 V open-circuit, when drawing any significant current (>250 
mA) they quickly sag to less than 1.3 V.  We have tested a Duracell 
alkaline, the results are here: https://proaudioeng.com/duracell-alkaline/


The rechargable alkaline technology has been around for quite a while, 
Eveready used to sell them, but due to charging difficulties such as 
cells leaking during charge, they were discontinued.  I suggest using 
them in an external holder until you are sure they will behave...


Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com


On 10/10/2018 6:47 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Hi all,

did anybody tested these PURE ENERGY RAM cells AA size 1,5V / 3000mAh in
KX3?
I found in spec. that they are Alkaline-Manganese technology cells which are
not dedicated
for permanent high current (over 1A) consumption equipment...

It is promising 12V instead of 9.6V in 8pcs pack. the only external charger
should be used as
same as LiPol...

Thank for info.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Loss of Output

[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

The PA voltage connector pin problem will normally result in an ERR 12V 
message.


It sounds like something has just gotten "mixed up".

Do you have a saved configuration file for that K3?  If so, you may want 
to try doing a Reset to Factory Defaults (EEINIT)and then restore the 
configuration file from K3 Utility.  If you do not have a saved 
configuration file, you will have to install all the options manually 
and go through the calibration procedures.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/10/2018 7:32 AM, Tom Lizak wrote:

Hi Gang,

  


Was doing the New England WX Net this AM on 75m and all of a sudden, NO
OUTPUT...hmmm!

  


I put it into PA By-pass and still nothing.  I can hear the tone in another
RX whether on PA or by-pass but NADA on the watt meter.

  


Before I send it to the "Mother Ship", I was wondering if this could be the
infamous PA connector pin issues ?  PA temp @ 25C which is ambient temp of
the room ATM.

K3 s/n 00184.

  


HELP !

73

Tom/K1TL...

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[Elecraft] Cycle 25

[Bob DeHaney]

The main problem regarding Cycle 25 is that I won’t be here for Cycle 26.

 

Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T (Licensed since 1960)

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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I would look closely at the ALC level and the CMP level to see that the 
new mike, which has more output, is not driving things into 
saturation.    Likewise, as Jim, K9YC says, use the TX EQ to get rid of 
some of the low end, thus not to suck up power which is not heard on the 
other end.    And check to see that the mike is not over driving the 
input stage.    If your MIC gain is less than about 20 and the menu is 
set for higher gain, then set the gain to a lower value per the menu and 
adjust the MIC gain for a higher value to attain correct ALC action of 5 
to 7 bars.    See page 22 and 30 in the manual.


These radios really sound GREAT when all is adjusted correctly.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 10/10/2018 1:10 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

My 30 year old heil element finally bit
the dust. I bought an Elecraft MH4
hand-held mic and am trying to get it
adjusted.

I checked in with a local net and was told
there is a kind of clipping on my words,
like the ends of some word were being cut
off. Another report said it sounded more
like there was an artificial sound
in-between the syllables, that it wasn't
on the peaks but noted in the the troughs,
perhaps a bit of clicking in there.

I don't hear any difficulties with the
monitor, everything sounds like normal
words with no distortion. I'm not using
VOX and have no idea what I might try
looking at to resolve this.

As to the equalizing of the MH4, is there
a set of values with the 8 bands to give
it more of a character of a Heil HC4
element or something well suited for DX?

Any suggestions on the clipping & Mic TX
EQ & what I might try doing to resolve
this?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: AX1 Order Page Up but Broken?

[edward kacura via Elecraft]

I have to agree with Buddy 100% !!!
I’ve owned Elecraft radios for almost 10 years now, it’s all I own !!
I had my KX3 two weeks (s/n 0045) and a glitch appeared, couldn’t use the 
radio. I emailed Elecraft on a Sunday night around 10pm, not expecting to hear 
from them til Monday morning.
I got an email less than half an hour later, from Wayne no less! He said he’d 
be on it first thing Monday morning and let me know.
He emailed me Tuesday morning and had me call him later, he spent an hour on 
the phone helping me reboot the KX3 ! That was April 2012, the KX3 has operated 
just fine since than !
That left a lasting impression on me to this day, Wayne and Eric and the crew 
at Elecraft are the best IMHO !!
I’m an Elecraft junkie for life..thank you Wayne and Eric !!

73 de Ed
N7EDK 
Bradenton, FL

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> On Oct 10, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Buddy Brannan  wrote:
> 
> Reputable companies don’t make mistakes? Oh yeah…that’s pretty funny right 
> there. For serious dude. S**t happens. C’mon, you can’t seriously believe 
> this. The biggest of companies have made mistakes in website addresses, 
> software with bugs that didn’t get squashed in time, you name it. But let’s 
> talk about Elecraft in specific for a minute, because, yeah, impugning 
> Elecraft’s character is kind of personal. For me, anyway, and, I suspect, for 
> others here. 
> 
> First, longevity. Do you really think that a company, especially one serving 
> a close-knit community like hams, would really be able to survive that long, 
> and more to the point, with such a loyal following as Elecraft has? Elecraft 
> has been here for 20 years more or less, and far as I know, it’s not showing 
> any signs of going anywhere.
> 
> Second, track record. Track record with Elecraft is one of those good 
> news/bad news scenarios. Good news: they don’t release somethinguntil it’s 
> ready and relatively bug-free. Nothing is completely bug-free, and certainly 
> when you’re talking about software-defined things, features can be added or 
> completed later. If hardware modifications need to be introduced, they are 
> introduced at reasonable cost, free if possible, generally user installable, 
> and without resorting to “Oh hey, here y’all, buy another radio.” The 
> downside to this is that sometimes, they are, as they say, over optimistic 
> about release dates, so preorders may go unfulfilled for longer than the 
> preorderers would like. Except, and here’s the good part, they don’t actually 
> charge you until your preorder ships. Oh, I expect that they could, and most 
> people wouldn’t complain too loudly, but they don’t. The worst thing that we 
> have to deal with is…a wait. Such a first world problem. Rememberthe KX3? I 
> do. I bought myself one as a sort of 25-year hamiversary present to myself. 
> And I remember well the nail biting as its initial shipping dates slipped. 
> But eureka, I got one, and I even got one before field day, and I even got 
> one with a sub-500 serial number. And that was with an order that was, what, 
> the day after Christmas, maybe 12 hours after the ordering window opened. 
> Would a not reputable company achieve such loyalty that *that many* people 
> stood in line for *that long*? 
> 
> OK, now let’s talk about service. One year warranties are pretty standard. 
> But these guys will really go that extra mile for their customers. Everyone 
> from the sales and customer service folks, to the tech support and repair 
> folks, up to and including Wayne and Eric themselves. If something happens 
> during any part of the resales to way after care, all of those guys bend over 
> backwards to make it right. I’ve seen some cases where guys were offered a 
> full and complete refund because they were that unhappy with some aspect of 
> their Elecraft experience, and that very far outside the normal sort of 
> parameters. Elecraft stands very firmly behind their offerings, and the ham 
> community has taken notice. It’s no accident that new stuff is as eagerly 
> anticipated as it is. 
> 
> Finally, and really I mean it, because if you’ve read this far you probably 
> wish I’d shut up now please, there’s Wayne and Eric. They’re both on this 
> list. They respond to emails personally. They offer help and guidance 
> themselves. What other major ham radio company are you going to see that much 
> hands-on involvement with the unwashed masses? Sure, it’s true that they’re 
> both active hams, use the gear themselves, and likely as not, build things 
> that they themselves love to own? Heck…Wayne said as much about the KX3 and 
> the KX2. Look, these are top notch guys, straight up, passionate, and with a 
> real heart for both the hobby and the community…not just the hardware. I’ve 
> had several pleasant emails exchanges with Wayne, who was always patient, 
> always gave me his full attention, and was never dismissive of my admittedly 
> niche concerns. In short, when you question Elecraft’s integrity, you 
> ques

[Elecraft] K3 - Loss of Output

[Tom Lizak]

Hi Gang,

 

Was doing the New England WX Net this AM on 75m and all of a sudden, NO
OUTPUT...hmmm!

 

I put it into PA By-pass and still nothing.  I can hear the tone in another
RX whether on PA or by-pass but NADA on the watt meter.

 

Before I send it to the "Mother Ship", I was wondering if this could be the
infamous PA connector pin issues ?  PA temp @ 25C which is ambient temp of
the room ATM.

K3 s/n 00184.

 

HELP !

73

Tom/K1TL...

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[Elecraft] 1.5V recharchable AA cells for KX3?

[Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS]

Hi all,

did anybody tested these PURE ENERGY RAM cells AA size 1,5V / 3000mAh in
KX3?
I found in spec. that they are Alkaline-Manganese technology cells which are
not dedicated
for permanent high current (over 1A) consumption equipment...

It is promising 12V instead of 9.6V in 8pcs pack. the only external charger
should be used as 
same as LiPol...

Thank for info.





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