RE: UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Jim
I don't know where its laid down but arent domestic wall sockets "one
circuit double access".  I would look in a UK National Electric Code. My bet
is its 13 amps total.  You could also check the terminal connections of the
socket and make a determination.
Regards
Dan Anchondo


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Subject: UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs


Dear Fellow Listers,

Perhaps my brain isn't in gear today, but here goes..

Re UK domestic electrical sockets.  Where a double electrical socket is
rated for 13 Amps, does that mean 13 Amps each side, or 13 Amps in total
?

Whatever the answer might be - where is it laid down?

Regards

Jim
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Re: WEEE Directive

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
"POWELL, DOUG"  wrote (in
<970a8fe5db2be64eb6eab84087dcc1c8496...@bssexc01.aei.com>) about 'WEEE
Directive', on Mon, 4 Apr 2005:
>How can a single nationality delay beyond the mandated dates published
>for the community?

In theory, the Commission can take an errant government to the European
Court, and it does happen in practice. But often, the Commission accepts
that the deviation is justified or inevitable.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk


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Re: Split ferrite core & molded ferrite core

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
What kind of product is this - an intentional or unintentional radiator?

Generally, if the conducted and/or radiated emissions vary by more than 2
dB it is necessary to retest and get a new list of test data.

Regards,

Frank




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Dear Bob,

  Thanks for the attention paid. Which section of FCC should I refer
for getting more clarity about this?

Sincerely

K.Balasubramanian
Project Leader - Hardware.



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All things being equal, solid ferrite cores are more effective than split
cores.

Bob Heller
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St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
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Dear Experts,

  Compliance testing for a product has been done with a split type
ferrite core in the cable and report has been prepared and submitted to
VCCI. For FCC & CE DoC has been prepared with photos showing the split type
ferrite core assembled at the appropriate position in the cable.  Now the
manufacturing wants to replace the split core with a molded core. Is it
necessary to retest with this molded core and one more test report
generation? I request you experts to point out the stand on VCCI, CE & FCC
on this.

Sincerely

K.Balasubramanian
Project Leader - Hardware.


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RE: WEEE Directive

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
hello Doug,
that is on my mind as well, I have recieved very good replies,but still unsure
of the EU stance in general ( As One Voice) governing all of the EU.
I realize some countries are trying harder and consious of waste as I am. But
when a directive is released by the EU, it should
be carried out by everyone and not have targets and dates from each EU member,
when there are 25 memebrs and growing.
The confusion of this directive has hit EU countries, thus they are pushing
the dates out to 2006 as noted recently
on emails within this forum, the impact to those countries is felt, so
hopefully they'll know the impact to us as producers exporting
to some EU member states. And knowing all the details is very critical at this
time.
 
regards
Richard,


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mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of POWELL, DOUG
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:19 PM
To: richhug...@aol.com; charles.gra...@echostar.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: WEEE Directive



Richard,

 

You are correct that, at least in this case, much of this is written in fudge.

 

On this side of the pond, to many producers it appears that the UK has the
timeliest information and many are taking this as the norm for the entire
community.  In addition, I don’t have the resources to track every member of
the EU and their implementation dates.  So my policy has been to use the EU
deadlines, as they are published.

 

Last Friday, there is an interesting article from the BBC.  In this article
both the UK and Germany are apparently delaying. My question is this, “How
can a single nationality delay beyond the mandated dates published for the
community? “

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4393347.stm

 

 

Regards,

 

-Doug

Fort Collins, Colorado USA

 

 

 


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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:58 PM
To: POWELL, DOUG; charles.gra...@echostar.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: WEEE Diective

 

Doug,

 

I'm not sure why you would expect a statement regarding the UK situation on
the Europa web site.

 

I agree that it is always a good idea to look at the source rather than
relying on info 3rd hand, and since the details of the DTI's web site have
already been posted there is no reason why you and others should not do this.

 

Perhaps you and/or others are thinking that the announcement refers to what is
happening in Europe generally - it doesn't, it relates only to the way the UK
Government is approximating the WEEE (and RoHS) Directives into UK law.  Some
other Member States have already enacted the WEE Directive while others are in
the process of doing so.  As far as companies are concerned, EC Directives
should be taken as pointers to what national legislation SHOULD look like. 
Directives direct Member States (e.g. national governments) to pass national
laws, they do not direct private companies to do anything.

 

Directives contain a date by which Member States "must" pass national
legislation to place into force the requirements of the Directive.  Sometimes
Member States don't comply with this date and sometimes the Commission them
prosecute as a result.

 

If you read the DTI announcement then you will see that far from being written
in stone, it is written in fudge.  Enjoy!

 

Richard Hughes

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Re: Split ferrite core & molded ferrite core

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Dear Bob,

  Thanks for the attention paid. Which section of FCC should I refer
for getting more clarity about this?

Sincerely

K.Balasubramanian
Project Leader - Hardware.



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  04/04/2005 10:03 PM






All things being equal, solid ferrite cores are more effective than split
cores.

Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel:  651- 778-6336
Fax:  651-778-6252
=



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   core










Dear Experts,

  Compliance testing for a product has been done with a split type
ferrite core in the cable and report has been prepared and submitted to
VCCI. For FCC & CE DoC has been prepared with photos showing the split type
ferrite core assembled at the appropriate position in the cable.  Now the
manufacturing wants to replace the split core with a molded core. Is it
necessary to retest with this molded core and one more test report
generation? I request you experts to point out the stand on VCCI, CE & FCC
on this.

Sincerely

K.Balasubramanian
Project Leader - Hardware.


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Re: UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Chris, Jim
 
Just taken a look at BS 1363-2: 1995, which is the part dealing with sockets -
the results are interesting!
 
Here are the most relevant bits (with an awful lot left out!)
 
13.12 "Multiple socket-outlets shall be capable of simultaneous use of all
socket-outlets"

16 Temperature rise
16.1 "Socket-outlets and their surroundings shall not attain excessive
temperatures in normal use."
16.1.1 "Compliance shall be checked by the tests described in 16.1.2, and
16.1.3 for fixed socket-outlets and portable socket-outlets respectively."
 
16.1.2
"……
The line, neutral and earth terminals of a single socket-outlet are connected
to an incoming and outgoing 2.5 mm2 2-core and earth PVC insulated and
sheathed cable as given in Table 5a of BS 6004:1991.
 
A twin unfused socket-outlet is connected with an incoming cable as described
above but with no
outgoing cable. 
 
A multiple unfused socket-outlet having more than two sets of socket contacts
is connected to an incoming 4 mm2 2-core and earth PVC insulated and sheathed
cable as given in Table 5a of BS 6004:1991. There shall be no outgoing cable.
…."
 
"Socket-outlets under test shall be subjected to electrical loading as given
in Table 5. "
...
 "

Table 5 — Loading of socket-outlets for temperature-rise test


Number of

outlets

Plugs with connected loads ± 0.4 A

Balance of load ± 0.4 A

Total load on supply cable (nominal)


1

1 × 14 A

6

20


2

1 × 14 A +

1 × 6 A



20


>1 (fused)

1 × 14 A

6

20


>2 (unfused)

2 × 14 A



28


NOTE The tolerance values for current take account of an uncertainty of
measurement of not greater than ± 1.5 % at a confidence level of not less
than 95 %.

" 

 

2.5sq mm cable is rated at 20A and is used for most domestic ring main and
spur circuits, whereas 4sq mm is rated at 28A and is often used for commercial
ring main and spur circuits (or so I believe).
 
So, it seems - quite logically - that the rating of the socket effectively
depends on the cable to which it is to be connected! Therefore it seems that
sockets intended for domestic purposes must be rated at a total load of 20A
(say 14A + 6A), whereas those for commercial circuits can be rated for a total
load of 26A (=2x 13A).
 
Thus you probably can both be said to be describing acceptable situations !  
 
This brought home to me something that I nearly did wrong recently when I
nearly fitted a triple 13A UNFUSED socket into an existing twin socket wall
box - I never read the instructions, but I assume they said that the supply
cable has to be 4sq mm!
 
BTW:  I bought that triple socket from a local branch of THE big DIY
supermarket, and it was designed to convert a twin outlet into a triple outlet
- I wonder how many people have fitted them to existing ring mains with 2.5sq
mm cable?
 
Regards
 
John Allen
 
 
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From: "Colgan, Christopher [Harman Pro Group UK]" < 
 christopher.col...@harmanpro.com>
To: "   emc-p...@ieee.org" < 
 emc-p...@ieee.org>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs


> Jim
> 
> The answer lies in BS1363 of which I don't have a copy but from memory,
BS1363 for some reason specifies that double outlets are only required to be
rated at 13A in total.
> 
> However, you will find that some manufacturers rate their double sockets at
13A per outlet ie 26A in total.  That was the case with some MK sockets I
installed at home (before the dreaded "Part P" I hasten to add).  MK also do a
treble outlet but they added a fuse so the total in that case was only 13A.
> 
>  
www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/MK/Sockets.pdf
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris Colgan - Safety & EMC Engineer
> Harman International Industries Ltd,
> Cranborne House, Cranborne Road,
> Potters Bar, Hertfordshire, EN6 3JN.
> Tel : +44(0)1707 668081
> Fax : +44(0)1707 660755
> Soundcraft is a Harman International Company
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  
owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
> [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Speakman, Jim
> Sent: 04 April 2005 15:48
> To:   'emc-p...@ieee.org'
> Subject: UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs
> 
> 
> Dear Fellow Listers,
> 
> Perhaps my brain isn't in gear today, but here goes..
> 
> Re UK domestic electrical sockets.  Where a double electrical socket is
> rated for 13 Amps, does that mean 13 Amps each side, or 13 Amps in total
> ?
> 
> Whatever the answer might be - where is it laid down?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Jim
> __
> Jim Speakman
> Thales Aerospace
> Manor Royal
> Crawley
> West Sussex
> RH10 9PZ
> 
> 
> Tel:+44(0)1293 644911
> Mob:+44(0)7968 529439
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jim.speak...@uk.thalesgroup.com
> 
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Re: Split ferrite core & molded ferrite core

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
All things being equal, solid ferrite cores are more effective than split
cores.

Bob Heller
3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel:  651- 778-6336
Fax:  651-778-6252
=



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   core










Dear Experts,

  Compliance testing for a product has been done with a split type
ferrite core in the cable and report has been prepared and submitted to
VCCI. For FCC & CE DoC has been prepared with photos showing the split type
ferrite core assembled at the appropriate position in the cable.  Now the
manufacturing wants to replace the split core with a molded core. Is it
necessary to retest with this molded core and one more test report
generation? I request you experts to point out the stand on VCCI, CE & FCC
on this.

Sincerely

K.Balasubramanian
Project Leader - Hardware.


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RE: WEEE Directive

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Richard,

 

You are correct that, at least in this case, much of this is written in fudge.

 

On this side of the pond, to many producers it appears that the UK has the
timeliest information and many are taking this as the norm for the entire
community.  In addition, I don’t have the resources to track every member of
the EU and their implementation dates.  So my policy has been to use the EU
deadlines, as they are published.

 

Last Friday, there is an interesting article from the BBC.  In this article
both the UK and Germany are apparently delaying. My question is this, “How
can a single nationality delay beyond the mandated dates published for the
community? “

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4393347.stm

 

 

Regards,

 

-Doug

Fort Collins, Colorado USA

 

 

 

  _  

From: richhug...@aol.com [mailto:richhug...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:58 PM
To: POWELL, DOUG; charles.gra...@echostar.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: WEEE Diective

 

Doug,

 

I'm not sure why you would expect a statement regarding the UK situation on
the Europa web site.

 

I agree that it is always a good idea to look at the source rather than
relying on info 3rd hand, and since the details of the DTI's web site have
already been posted there is no reason why you and others should not do this.

 

Perhaps you and/or others are thinking that the announcement refers to what is
happening in Europe generally - it doesn't, it relates only to the way the UK
Government is approximating the WEEE (and RoHS) Directives into UK law.  Some
other Member States have already enacted the WEE Directive while others are in
the process of doing so.  As far as companies are concerned, EC Directives
should be taken as pointers to what national legislation SHOULD look like. 
Directives direct Member States (e.g. national governments) to pass national
laws, they do not direct private companies to do anything.

 

Directives contain a date by which Member States "must" pass national
legislation to place into force the requirements of the Directive.  Sometimes
Member States don't comply with this date and sometimes the Commission them
prosecute as a result.

 

If you read the DTI announcement then you will see that far from being written
in stone, it is written in fudge.  Enjoy!

 

Richard Hughes










Richard,

 

You are correct that, at least in this
case, much of this is written in fudge.

 

On this side of the pond, to many producers
it appears that the UK
has the timeliest information and many are taking this as the norm for the
entire community.  In addition, I don’t have the resources to track
every member of the EU and their implementation dates.  So my policy has
been to use the EU deadlines, as they are published.

 

Last Friday, there is an interesting article
>from the BBC.  In this article both the UK
and Germany
are apparently delaying. My question is this, “How can a single nationality
delay beyond the mandated dates published for the community? “

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4393347.stm

 

 

Regards,

 

-Doug

Fort Collins, Colorado USA

 

 

 









From:
richhug...@aol.com [mailto:richhug...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:58
PM
To: POWELL, DOUG;
charles.gra...@echostar.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: WEEE Diective



 



Doug,





 





I'm not sure why you would expect a
statement regarding the UK
situation on the Europa web site.





 





I agree that it is always a good idea to
look at the source rather than relying on info 3rd hand, and since the details
of the DTI's web site have already been posted there is no reason why you and
others should not do this.





 





Perhaps you and/or others are thinking
that the announcement refers to what is happening in Europe generally - it
doesn't, it relates only to the way the UK Government is approximating the WEEE
(and RoHS) Directives into UK
law.  Some other Member States have already enacted the WEE Directive
while others are in the process of doing so.  As far as companies are
concerned, EC Directives should be taken as pointers to what national
legislation SHOULD look like.  Directives direct Member States (e.g.
national governments) to pass national laws, they do not direct private
companies to do anything.





 





Directives contain a date by which Member
States "must" pass national legislation to place into force the
requirements of the Directive.  Sometimes Member States don't comply with
this date and sometimes the Commission them prosecute as a result.





 





If you read the DTI announcement then you
will see that far from being written in stone, it is written in fudge. 
Enjoy!





 





Richard Hughes












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RE: UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Jim

The answer lies in BS1363 of which I don't have a copy but from memory, BS1363
for some reason specifies that double outlets are only required to be rated at
13A in total.

However, you will find that some manufacturers rate their double sockets at
13A per outlet ie 26A in total.  That was the case with some MK sockets I
installed at home (before the dreaded "Part P" I hasten to add).  MK also do a
treble outlet but they added a fuse so the total in that case was only 13A.

www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Technical/DataSheets/MK/Sockets.pdf

Cheers

Chris Colgan - Safety & EMC Engineer
Harman International Industries Ltd,
Cranborne House, Cranborne Road,
Potters Bar, Hertfordshire, EN6 3JN.
Tel : +44(0)1707 668081
Fax : +44(0)1707 660755
Soundcraft is a Harman International Company





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Sent: 04 April 2005 15:48
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Subject: UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs


Dear Fellow Listers,

Perhaps my brain isn't in gear today, but here goes..

Re UK domestic electrical sockets.  Where a double electrical socket is
rated for 13 Amps, does that mean 13 Amps each side, or 13 Amps in total
?

Whatever the answer might be - where is it laid down?

Regards

Jim
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Split ferrite core & molded ferrite core

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Dear Experts,

  Compliance testing for a product has been done with a split type
ferrite core in the cable and report has been prepared and submitted to
VCCI. For FCC & CE DoC has been prepared with photos showing the split type
ferrite core assembled at the appropriate position in the cable.  Now the
manufacturing wants to replace the split core with a molded core. Is it
necessary to retest with this molded core and one more test report
generation? I request you experts to point out the stand on VCCI, CE & FCC
on this.

Sincerely

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UK Domestic Electrical Socket Outputs

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Dear Fellow Listers,

Perhaps my brain isn't in gear today, but here goes..

Re UK domestic electrical sockets.  Where a double electrical socket is
rated for 13 Amps, does that mean 13 Amps each side, or 13 Amps in total
?

Whatever the answer might be - where is it laid down?

Regards

Jim
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Re: WEEE in Germany

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Hi Folks 
 
There ARE some sites where some of the information can be found
http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/scad_en.htm, but this is only the EU information
 
You can find the transposition information for many New Approach Directives
here - under "Info about Directive" - but not WEEE& RoHS (etc).
 
However, hopefully in time, the information we need will appear on one of
these sites.
 
John Allen

- Original Message - 
From: James, Chris   
To: Stone, Richard   ; richhug...@aol.com ;
donsla...@wi.rr.com ; emc-p...@ieee.org 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: RE: WEEE in Germany


EU government can’t make national laws (legislation) for individual EU
countries. It can however make it an absolute requirement that national
governments create their own legislation in respect of directives it creates.
It can impose penalties on EU countries who don’t comply or fail to comply
with deadlines on implementing such national legislation.

 

Thus if national governments fail to meet the Aug 05 deadline on implementing
national legislation in respect of the WEEE directive they will be liable to a
fine, penalty, slap on the wrist.

 

For “latest” info on other countries, look at the Perchards report Jan 05
on the DTi sustainability/weee web site. Unbelievably the EU can’t get their
act together to produce a web page which keeps track of where each member is
in respect of implementing directives – or if they have no-one can find it :)

 

 

Regards,

Chris


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Stone, Richard
Sent: 04 April 2005 13:36
To: richhug...@aol.com; donsla...@wi.rr.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: WEEE in Germany

 

hello all,

I am now thouroughly confused on dates and countries required participation of
the WEEE,

which was suppose to start now...

 

If the EU Govenrment has a directive and a date, isnt it required of ALL EU
members to follow these dates

and NOT go out on there own and change dates and anything else?

 

by the way, is there anything specific on the Netherlands and the WEEE...I'd
like to know more on that country.

 

we will plan on applying the WEEE wheely bin label in August, but I'd like to
know exactly whats going on if possible.

thank you.

Richard,


From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of richhug...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:37 AM
To: donsla...@wi.rr.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: WEEE in Germany

Don, others,


Thanks for the link.

 

As I understand it, the Basic Law at the Federal level has been passed in
Germany but the various Länder (local states) still have to pass their
enabling legislation.  Can someone from Germany confirm this please?  If true,
does it mean that the law could apply in some Länder before others, or is
there a synchronising mechanism?

 

>From the information I have, the WEEE Directive seems to be the biggest
problem in the biggest countries (UK, Italy, France and Germany).  Smaller
countries, be they older members (e.g.Belgium and the Netherlands) or recent
accession countries (e.g. Hungary and Slovakia) seem to have their legislative
act together.  I'm not sure about medium sized countries, such as Spain and
Poland.  Perhaps others could confirm or correct?

 

{To clarify, by small, medium and large I do not mean geographic area, but
rather weighted voting rights within the EU legal system (and correspondingly
within the ESOs - European Standards Organisations).}

 

Richard Hughes

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RE: WEEE in Germany

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
EU government can’t make national laws (legislation) for individual EU
countries. It can however make it an absolute requirement that national
governments create their own legislation in respect of directives it creates.
It can impose penalties on EU countries who don’t comply or fail to comply
with deadlines on implementing such national legislation.

 

Thus if national governments fail to meet the Aug 05 deadline on implementing
national legislation in respect of the WEEE directive they will be liable to a
fine, penalty, slap on the wrist.

 

For “latest” info on other countries, look at the Perchards report Jan 05
on the DTi sustainability/weee web site. Unbelievably the EU can’t get their
act together to produce a web page which keeps track of where each member is
in respect of implementing directives – or if they have no-one can find it :)

 

 

Regards,

Chris

  _  

From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
Stone, Richard
Sent: 04 April 2005 13:36
To: richhug...@aol.com; donsla...@wi.rr.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: WEEE in Germany

 

hello all,

I am now thouroughly confused on dates and countries required participation of
the WEEE,

which was suppose to start now...

 

If the EU Govenrment has a directive and a date, isnt it required of ALL EU
members to follow these dates

and NOT go out on there own and change dates and anything else?

 

by the way, is there anything specific on the Netherlands and the WEEE...I'd
like to know more on that country.

 

we will plan on applying the WEEE wheely bin label in August, but I'd like to
know exactly whats going on if possible.

thank you.

Richard,


From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of richhug...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:37 AM
To: donsla...@wi.rr.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: WEEE in Germany

Don, others,


Thanks for the link.

 

As I understand it, the Basic Law at the Federal level has been passed in
Germany but the various Länder (local states) still have to pass their
enabling legislation.  Can someone from Germany confirm this please?  If true,
does it mean that the law could apply in some Länder before others, or is
there a synchronising mechanism?

 

>From the information I have, the WEEE Directive seems to be the biggest
problem in the biggest countries (UK, Italy, France and Germany).  Smaller
countries, be they older members (e.g.Belgium and the Netherlands) or recent
accession countries (e.g. Hungary and Slovakia) seem to have their legislative
act together.  I'm not sure about medium sized countries, such as Spain and
Poland.  Perhaps others could confirm or correct?

 

{To clarify, by small, medium and large I do not mean geographic area, but
rather weighted voting rights within the EU legal system (and correspondingly
within the ESOs - European Standards Organisations).}

 

Richard Hughes

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RE: WEEE in Germany

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
hello all,
I am now thouroughly confused on dates and countries required participation of
the WEEE,
which was suppose to start now...
 
If the EU Govenrment has a directive and a date, isnt it required of ALL EU
members to follow these dates
and NOT go out on there own and change dates and anything else?
 
by the way, is there anything specific on the Netherlands and the WEEE...I'd
like to know more on that country.
 
we will plan on applying the WEEE wheely bin label in August, but I'd like to
know exactly whats going on if possible.
thank you.
Richard,


From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of richhug...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:37 AM
To: donsla...@wi.rr.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: WEEE in Germany



Don, others,

Thanks for the link.
 
As I understand it, the Basic Law at the Federal level has been passed in
Germany but the various Länder (local states) still have to pass their
enabling legislation.  Can someone from Germany confirm this please?  If true,
does it mean that the law could apply in some Länder before others, or is
there a synchronising mechanism?
 
>From the information I have, the WEEE Directive seems to be the biggest
problem in the biggest countries (UK, Italy, France and Germany).  Smaller
countries, be they older members (e.g.Belgium and the Netherlands) or recent
accession countries (e.g. Hungary and Slovakia) seem to have their legislative
act together.  I'm not sure about medium sized countries, such as Spain and
Poland.  Perhaps others could confirm or correct?
 
{To clarify, by small, medium and large I do not mean geographic area, but
rather weighted voting rights within the EU legal system (and correspondingly
within the ESOs - European Standards Organisations).}
 
Richard Hughes
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RE: Symbol Source

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Rather than download the whole spec you can get it here:

 

http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/icon_design.pdf

 

 

Regards,

Chris

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From: James, Chris 
Sent: 04 April 2005 09:58
To: 'Donald McElheran'; 'Emc-Pstc (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: Symbol Source

 

Listing was rejected due to embedded graphic, guess you got it though Donald.

 

Regards,

Chris

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From: James, Chris 
Sent: 04 April 2005 09:55
To: Donald McElheran; Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Symbol Source

 

Look at section 6.5 of the USB 2.0 spec which can be downloaded from link below

 

Graphic dump from that page here:

 

 

 

Regards,

Chris

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From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of James, Chris
Sent: 04 April 2005 09:25
To: Donald McElheran; Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Symbol Source

 

Try http://www.usb.org

 

Regards,

Chris

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From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Donald McElheran
Sent: 31 March 2005 20:40
To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Subject: Symbol Source

 

Can anyone point me to where I might find the source of the commonly used USB
port symbol ( looks like a horizontally oriented three prong pitch fork). 

I am trying to establish if there are any restrictions or requirements for the
use of this symbol. 

Regards 

Donald McElheran 
Ross Video Ltd. 

 

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RE: Symbol Source

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Listing was rejected due to embedded graphic, guess you got it though Donald.

 

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Chris

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From: James, Chris 
Sent: 04 April 2005 09:55
To: Donald McElheran; Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Symbol Source

 

Look at section 6.5 of the USB 2.0 spec which can be downloaded from link below

 

Graphic dump from that page here:

 

 

 

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mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of James, Chris
Sent: 04 April 2005 09:25
To: Donald McElheran; Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Symbol Source

 

Try http://www.usb.org

 

Regards,

Chris

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mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Donald McElheran
Sent: 31 March 2005 20:40
To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Subject: Symbol Source

 

Can anyone point me to where I might find the source of the commonly used USB
port symbol ( looks like a horizontally oriented three prong pitch fork). 

I am trying to establish if there are any restrictions or requirements for the
use of this symbol. 

Regards 

Donald McElheran 
Ross Video Ltd. 

 

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RE: Symbol Source

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Try http://www.usb.org

 

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mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Donald McElheran
Sent: 31 March 2005 20:40
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Subject: Symbol Source

 

Can anyone point me to where I might find the source of the commonly used USB
port symbol ( looks like a horizontally oriented three prong pitch fork). 

I am trying to establish if there are any restrictions or requirements for the
use of this symbol. 

Regards 

Donald McElheran 
Ross Video Ltd. 

 

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RE: WEEE Diective

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
You won’t find anything on the Europa site because this is a UK (government)
decision affecting the introduction of WEEE legislation in the UK. The
original dates still stand as far as the EC are concerned and some EU
countries will have their legislation in place. You need to comply with WEEE
on a country by country basis as the requirements may vary.

 

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mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of POWELL, DOUG
Sent: 01 April 2005 23:15
To: Grasso, Charles; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: WEEE Diective

 

Hello all,

 

Be careful with this announcement.  We have been unable to find collaborating
information on the Europa web site.  Possibly some consultants, certain
periodicals, and the UK DTI office believe this to be true but until I see
confirmation on the Europa site and the Official Journal, it is my opinion
that the original dates are still in effect.

 

I also noticed that one of the announcements from an industry periodical
confused the term “take-back” with something related to dates.  In
addition, concerning dates, they freely interchanged “take-bake” with
“put-back”.  In the case of this directive, “take-back” is referring
to the issue of producer taking back obsolete equipment for recycling!

 

-doug

 

Doug Powell

Staff Engineer; Corporate Compliance

Advanced Energy Industries, Inc.

 

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mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grasso, Charles
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:27 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: WEEE Diective

 

Hi Alan - Is that for the UK market only??

 

 

Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Senior Compliance Engineer
Echostar Communications Corp.

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mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Alan E Hutley Nutwood UK
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:10 AM
To: Emc-Pstc Discussion Group
Subject: WEEE Diective

Hi All

 

Under pressure from Industry the UK Government has phased back implementation
of the WEEE Directive from August until January 2006.

 

Cheers

Alan E Hutley

Editor

The EMC Journal

www.compliance-club.com

 

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Re-2: WEEE in Germany

2005-04-04 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org 
Hello Richard, 
 
check www.bmu.de 
there is an englisch site, too. :-)
As I understood so far, the  law passed on march 24st 2005 but  the "Länder"
structure for taking back the equipment and so on has to be implemented yet.
 
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Michael Kern
 
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Don, others,

Thanks for the link.
 
As I understand it, the Basic Law at the Federal level has been passed in
Germany but the various Länder (local states) still have to pass their
enabling legislation.  Can someone from Germany confirm this please?  If true,
does it mean that the law could apply in some Länder before others, or is
there a synchronising mechanism?
 
>From the information I have, the WEEE Directive seems to be the biggest
problem in the biggest countries (UK, Italy, France and Germany).  Smaller
countries, be they older members (e.g.Belgium and the Netherlands) or recent
accession countries (e.g. Hungary and Slovakia) seem to have their legislative
act together.  I'm not sure about medium sized countries, such as Spain and
Poland.  Perhaps others could confirm or correct?
 
{To clarify, by small, medium and large I do not mean geographic area, but
rather weighted voting rights within the EU legal system (and correspondingly
within the ESOs - European Standards Organisations).}
 
Richard Hughes
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