date:20061026

Perhaps it helps them and Dukee to be near each other? I'm glad they are coming to see him and keeping him and you company.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I have tried wrapping him in my sweatshirt that he likes to sit on...which is warm from me.  He continues to move around and won't stay in the same spot long.  He is agitated.  He prefers the coolness as well for whatever reasons.     I'm allowing all the cats to come and go in the computer room. As they see Dukee and some are giving him kisses
 (licks on the head) and others are sitting close by.  They were driving me nuts scratching at the door wanting in.     In a message dated 10/26/2006 11:19:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Do you have fluid bag or water bottle?  I microwaved fluid bag and wrapped with towel and put it around for Tsubomi â since she as very anemic she was very cold â but for some reason she still preferred to be at cool place .. 
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(

Good idea Nina. My kitties also like to huddle in front on my space heater.     Gina  Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You can also take a sock and put uncooked rice in it, tie the top in a knot and microwave it until it's warm, (about 25 sec I think).  Be sure it's not too warm.  It will hold the heat and he might want to nestle in next to it.NHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Do you have fluid bag or water bottle?  I microwaved fluid bag and wrapped with towel and put it around for Tsubomi  since she as very anemic she was very cold  but for some reason she still preferred
 to be at cool place ..     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:15 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Losing Dukee.. :(    Yes, he is cold to the touch.No, I don't have a heating pad or a blanket...crap!What can I try? In a message dated 10/26/2006 11:07:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Does he feel cold Terrie?  Someone on the list mentioned in the past that perhaps a heating blanket or heating pad set on low might help make him feel more comfortable. Gina kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:At 10:35 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds like perhaps a clot. that is how I lost my Angel, It is common with heart problems and it is very painful, When my angel was in pain I made that awful decision, but the emergency vets did not presedate so I gave her Buprenex to get through the night, It is very painful, The next morning very early we went to my vet but she crossed on her own as soon as she got there, If you have anything to relieve her pain , you may want to,,It was so hard as it cam on so quickly.Kelly  Thank
 youYes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me sometimes. The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it.There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work.He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg. That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. When in general he is a happy kitty. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/Visit my Tigger Tales site!       See my cats' gallery at Zazzle 
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RE: Losing Dukee...... :(









Will stress Dukee out if you let other
friends in?  They may want to say good bye to him??

 









From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006
12:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Losing Dukee.. :(




 







I have
tried wrapping him in my sweatshirt that he likes to sit on...which is warm
from me.





He
continues to move around and won't stay in the same spot long.





He is
agitated.





He
prefers the coolness as well for whatever reasons.





 





I'm
allowing all the cats to come and go in the computer room. As they see Dukee
and some are giving him kisses (licks on the head) and others are sitting
close by.





They
were driving me nuts scratching at the door wanting in.





 





In a message dated 10/26/2006 11:19:25
P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Do you have fluid bag or water bottle?  I microwaved fluid bag
and wrapped with towel and put it around for Tsubomi – since she as very anemic
she was very cold – but for some reason she still preferred to be at cool place
..









 





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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(





I think it's good that you are allowing everyone to come and see Dukee.


Hideyo and I were just talking about how when kitties get cold to the
touch like that they sometimes don't seem to want to be warmed up. 
That the do just the opposite and go and lay down on tile or some such
thing.  I don't understand why that should be either.
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  I have tried wrapping him in my sweatshirt that he
likes to sit on...which is warm from me.
  He continues to move around and won't stay in the
same spot long.
  He is agitated.
  He prefers the coolness as well for whatever reasons.
   
  I'm allowing all the cats to come and go in the
computer room. As they see Dukee and some are giving him kisses (licks
on the head) and others are sitting close by.
  They were driving me nuts scratching at the door
wanting in.

Re: Losing Dukee...... :(






I have tried wrapping him in my sweatshirt that he likes to sit 
on...which is warm from me.
He continues to move around and won't stay in the same spot 
long.
He is agitated.
He prefers the coolness as well for whatever 
reasons.
 
I'm allowing all the cats to come and go in the computer room. 
As they see Dukee and some are giving him kisses (licks on the head) and 
others are sitting close by.
They were driving me nuts scratching at the door wanting 
in.
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 11:19:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Do you have fluid bag 
  or water bottle?  I microwaved fluid bag and wrapped with towel and put 
  it around for Tsubomi – since she as very anemic she was very cold – but for 
  some reason she still preferred to be at cool place 
  ..

 
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You can also take a sock and put uncooked rice in it, tie the top in a
knot and microwave it until it's warm, (about 25 sec I think). Be sure
it's not too warm. It will hold the heat and he might want to nestle
in next to it.
N

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

Do you have
fluid bag or water bottle? I
microwaved fluid bag and wrapped with towel and put it around for
Tsubomi –
since she as very anemic she was very cold – but for some reason she
still preferred to be at cool place ..

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October
27, 2006
12:15 AM
To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Losing
Dukee.. :(

Yes,
he is cold to the touch.

No,
I
don't have a heating pad or a blanket...crap!

What
can I try?

In a
message dated 10/26/2006 11:07:59
P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Does he
feel cold Terrie? Someone
on the list mentioned in the past that perhaps a heating blanket or
heating pad set on low might help make him feel more comfortable.

Gina

kelly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 10:35 PM
10/26/2006, you wrote:
If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds like perhaps a
clot. that
is how I lost my Angel, It is common with heart problems and it is very painful, When my angel was
in pain I
made that awful decision, but the emergency vets did not presedate so I
gave
her Buprenex to get through the night, It is very painful, The next
morning
very early we went to my vet but she crossed on her own as soon as she
got
there, If you have anything to relieve her pain , you may want to,,
It was so hard as it cam on so quickly.
Kelly

Thank
you
Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me
sometimes.
The
answer is yes Hideyo
he was given the Interferon by my best friend that is a Vet Tech. She
is
familiar with it.
There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work.
He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his
family of
kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg.
That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy.
When in general he is a happy kitty.

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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina

Terry, his pulling away is no refection on his love for you, or even if 
he's "happy".  Sometimes they just need to distance themselves from 
those of us still firmly connected to the earth plane.  He's spending 
time in and out of his body and it may just be that the touch of his 
loved ones brings him back to awareness, when he's spending time 
adjusting to being "out of body".

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

*/Thank you/*
*/Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to 
me sometimes./*
*//* 
*/The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best 
friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it./*

*/There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work./*
*/He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his 
family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear 
leg. /*

*/That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. /*
*/When in general he is a happy kitty./*
*//* 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:26:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


That is so beautiful and true Nina.  Let yourself feel the love
and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family.
 
I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap

with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple
times.  Maybe so you would see it?  I don't know...He is sitting
here with my right now, holding vigil with you.
 
Gina


*//*
 
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http://www.felineleukemia.org/

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http://www.petloss.com/

/*

RE: Losing Dukee...... :(









Do you have fluid bag or water bottle?  I
microwaved fluid bag and wrapped with towel and put it around for Tsubomi –
since she as very anemic she was very cold – but for some reason she
still preferred to be at cool place ..

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006
12:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Losing Dukee.. :(




 







Yes,
he is cold to the touch.





No, I
don't have a heating pad or a blanket...crap!





What
can I try?





 





In a message dated 10/26/2006 11:07:59
P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Does he feel cold Terrie?  Someone
on the list mentioned in the past that perhaps a heating blanket or
heating pad set on low might help make him feel more comfortable.





 





Gina





 







kelly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





At 10:35 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds like perhaps a clot. that
is how I lost my Angel, It is common with heart problems and it is very painful, When my angel was in pain I
made that awful decision, but the emergency vets did not presedate so I gave
her Buprenex to get through the night, It is very painful, The next morning
very early we went to my vet but she crossed on her own as soon as she got
there, If you have anything to relieve her pain , you may want to,,
It was so hard as it cam on so quickly.
Kelly




Thank you
Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me
sometimes.
 
The answer is yes Hideyo
he was given the Interferon by my best friend that is a Vet Tech. She is
familiar with it.
There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work.
He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his family of
kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg. 
That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. 
When in general he is a happy kitty.











 





Terrie
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http://www.felineleukemia.org/

http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html

http://www.petloss.com/

Re: Losing Dukee...... :(

Yes, he is cold to the touch.
No, I don't have a heating pad or a
blanket...crap!
What can I try?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(

Does he feel cold Terrie? Someone on the list mentioned in the past that perhaps a heating blanket or heating pad set on low might help make him feel more comfortable. Gina kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 10:35 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds like perhaps a clot. that is how I lost my Angel, It is common with heart problems and it is very painful, When my angel was in pain I made that awful decision, but the emergency vets did not presedate so I gave her Buprenex to get through the night, It is very painful, The next morning very early we went to my vet but she crossed on her own as soon as she got there, If you have anything to relieve her pain , you may want to,,It was so hard as it cam on so
quickly.Kelly Thank youYes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me sometimes. The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it.There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work.He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg. That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. When in general he is a happy kitty. In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:26:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:That is so beautiful and true Nina. Let yourself feel the love and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family. I figured out the glitch...it
was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple times. Maybe so you would see it? I don't know...He is sitting here with my right now, holding vigil with you. Gina Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.13/500 - Release Date: 10/26/2006Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle

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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina

2006-10-26 Thread kelly



At 10:35 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
If he us having trouble with his rear leg it sounds like perhaps a clot.
that is how I lost my Angel, It is common with heart problems and it is
very painful, When my angel was in pain I made that awful
decision, but the emergency vets did not presedate so I gave her Buprenex
to get through the night, It is very painful, The next morning very early
we went to my vet but she crossed on her own as soon as she got there, If
you have anything to relieve her pain , you may want to,,
It was so hard as it cam on so quickly.
Kelly

Thank you
Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that to me
sometimes.
 
The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best
friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it.
There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it to work.
He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or his
family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg.

That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. 
When in general he is a happy kitty.
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:26:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


That is so beautiful and true Nina.  Let yourself feel the love
and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family.

 

I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap
with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple
times.  Maybe so you would see it?  I don't know...He is
sitting here with my right now, holding vigil with you.

 

Gina


 
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RE: OT:Need prayers for my baby Dharma again pleease - to michelle









She has FIP – and it’s auto immune disease
--- so I just don’t know if I should wait to use on epogen as I will be afraid
of the antibody reactions from it.. but I don’t want to wait too long – because
her PCV is already down to 15 – what d=should I do?

 









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Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006
7:09 PM
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Subject: Re: OT:Need prayers for
my baby Dharma again pleease - to michelle



 





It depends on what is causing the anemia.
If it is either an auto-immune reaction or lymphoma in the bone marrow,
steroids should help (though a stronger steroid like dexamethasone would help
more, probably).  If it is leukemia the cancer it might help also. 
It probably will not help for any other cause of anemia.





 





Michelle





 





In a message dated 10/25/2006 3:30:34
P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Michelle, I can’t remember I f it was you
or someone else – will steroid help anemia anyway?

RE: OT: Why is this list so nice?









In addition to what Michelle said .. I
think many people on the list are not egotistical for some reasons.. we don’t
really care about “being right”—we just want to help others
in any way we can.. lots of people on the list don’t even have felk
kitties but still stay on the list because of the nature of the group of
people..

 









From:
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On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006
7:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Why is this list
so nice?



 



I think that the reason this list is
different is that it takes a different sort of person to want to and be willing
to care for cats with FeLV.  It takes a lot of compassion, and also a lot
of willingness to face hard things, and also a willingness to have an open mind
and do some research. All of this makes the list self-selecting, I think, to
people who are more generally compassionate and less combative than on other
lists. And people withh FeLV positive cats also have to deal with the fact that
most vets are just abysmal and clueless on this subject, which makes us really
need to depend on each other to learn the information that we all need to take
care of our cats.  Which, I think, also makes us nicer and less combative
than people on other lists, because we really NEED to be here for very
practical reasons, and we really need, and recognize that we need, each other's
advice and information.  With FeLV we do not have the luxury of alienating
each other in order to have a petty argument.  I am not sure that people
on other lists feel so dependent on each other.  In fact, on one of the
IBD lists a woman really, really tore into me for questioning something that
another member had been told by a vet.  She wrote that it was completely
inappropriate for me to do that because I do not have a veterinary
degree.  It was one of the reasons I left that list. I can not imagine
anyone on this list writing that. We have all had such bad experiences with
vets, so we don't put them on a pedestal. Which does make us need each other
more.





 





Just my thoughts.  I have spent some
time thinking about the subject, because this list really is so amazing, and so
much better than all the others.





 





Michelle

Re: Losing Dukee...... :(




My girlfriend was close by so I ask her to help me on this. She 
said she would be more than glad to help in this matter on giving Dukee his 
Interferon treatments.
She is also retired Manager and Vet Tech of a huge animal 
clinic.
I have a lot of confidence in her. She is always rescuing 
animals. 
She has a heart of gold. She has animals that are throw-aways 
from humans. Many that have special needs. 
She is familiar with Interferon, that is why I trusted her in 
helping me on this since I didn't have any experience with it. She doesn't have 
access to it like you do Hideyo. She also said thank you for what you do as 
well.
 
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RE: Losing Dukee...... :(









Terrie – I am so sorry what Dukee
and you are going through ---I don’t know if this is going to help you or
not --- but from what my AC has told me .. usually when our babies are close to
passing, their soul actually goes in and out of body, and they may not feel
that pain as you may observe everytime I was losing my babies, I always talked
to my AC and they are usually very perceptive  and objective – they start
seeing their body from outside of their body—and that’s what made
me go through with Tsubomi – her last day or two was very hard for me..
because she seemed in pain.. but at the same time,, her soul was ready to
transit and she was so very happy once she passed.. as she became free from the
body which limited her to do things she wanted to do..

 

Terri, no matter what happens to Dukee –
please know that his soul will still be with you – so please don’t
forget that….

 

Love and hugs to you and Dukee.

 

Hideyo

 









From:
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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006
9:15 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Losing Dukee.. :(



 



As I
sit here I'm crying my eyes out having problems typing this to you all. My
husband keeps checking on us see how we are doing. We are in my computer room
with his best buddy "Vinnie". 





I have
soft lights, food and water along with their beds in here.





 





Can
anyone tell me what tranquilizer to give to help him to the Rainbow Bridge?
Otherwise I will wait until early morning to let him go.





So 
this will be a long night for me.





 





He is
crying and very weak. He has never been one to cry. He is such a good boy just
like my original Taz. Poor guys have never done anything wrong in their lives.
God they are about the same age too when it was time.





God
this is so heartbreaking!





I have
given him his doses of his meds and the Interferon nothing is working for him.
Force feeding isn't a option here because I don't want him throwing up what
little he has eaten.. I have given him everything I can possibly think of even
cans of Tuna with juice.





 





Terrie
Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

http://www.felineleukemia.org/

http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html

http://www.petloss.com/

Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina






Thank you
Yes, I seen the messages that's okay. Rudy my Siamese does that 
to me sometimes.
 
The answer is yes Hideyo he was given the Interferon by my best 
friend that is a Vet Tech. She is familiar with it.
There is damage to his system I guess was too late for it 
to work.
He is slowly leaving us. He doesn't want to be touched by me or 
his family of kitties. I have noticed to he is limping on the left rear leg. 

That's unlike him so that tells me he isn't happy. 

When in general he is a happy kitty.
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:26:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  That is so beautiful and true Nina.  Let yourself feel the love and 
  support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family.
   
  I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap 
  with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple 
  times.  Maybe so you would see it?  I don't know...He is sitting 
  here with my right now, holding vigil with you.
   
  Gina

 
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina

That is so beautiful and true Nina.  Let yourself feel the love and support we have for you Terrie, Dukee and family.     I figured out the glitch...it was my Tigger cat sitting on my lap with his head on the keyboard that made the message enter multiple times.  Maybe so you would see it?  I don't know...He is sitting here with my right now, holding vigil with you.     Gina  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Oh my god that is beautiful...I'm shedding tears can barely see the computer typing this to you.        In a message dated 10/26/2006 9:17:04 P.M. Pacific Standard
 Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Terrie,It's so sweet that Vinnie and Buggy are sitting vigil with you and Dukee.  What a lovely family you have.  I know it sometimes helps ease the pain, just a little, to talk to my loved one about all the Angels and friends that are hovering near, waiting anxiously to greet them.  I talk about the joy and celebration that awaits, how soon there will be no more pain, no more discomfort, no more fear.  How soon they will leave their beautiful body behind, to venture on an incredible adventure.  I tell them how much their earth bound family will miss them, but how they won't miss us.  They won't miss us because we will always be connected, because we will love each other forever, and even though I'll only be able to see them in my dreams
 and memories, they'll be able to see me whenever they like.  I close my eyes and "see" them whole and free, chasing butterflies with my loved ones that have already passed.  I ask them to see it with me, to know that they are going to a beautiful place full of loving friends.  I talk about the first time I laid eyes on them, favorite memories, about how those moments will exist in my heart and keep me company until we can be together again.  Of course all this is said through a flood of tears, but still, it brings a smile of comfort to my face, because I believe in my heart that all this is true.Nina   Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/Visit my
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RE: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online...Computer glitch









Terrie, have you been trying interferon on
him?  

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006
10:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Losing Dukee.. :(
I am up and online...Computer glitch



 







That's
okay...I understand.





 





Thank
you and Bless you!





 





Dukee
is in his cat carrier by the cat beds. 





He is
acting as if he wants to be alone in which we (Vinnie, Buggy and me)are staying
right where we are at this time. If he decides to leave on his own we will be
with him til the end.





 





In a message dated 10/26/2006 9:11:25
P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







Something just went very awry with my
computer!  Please pardon all those messages.





 





Gina

Gina WN
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







Terrie,





 





I am so sorry about Dukee.  I am
going to be online until at least 12:30 pm (PST).  If you want to write
back and forth, on the list or at my email address, please do.  I will be
sending calming peaceful energy to Dukee and you.  I am going to






 





Gina   [EMAIL PROTECTED]





 





 













 





Terrie
Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

http://www.felineleukemia.org/

http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html

http://www.petloss.com/

Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina





I've asked St. Francis, Jazzy and Spencer to sit vigil with your
family, to comfort all of you and to be there to greet Dukee when his
time comes.
Much love my dear,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  Oh my god that is beautiful...I'm shedding tears can
barely see the computer typing this to you.

Re: Losing Dukee...... :( Nina






Oh my god that is beautiful...I'm shedding tears can barely see 
the computer typing this to you.
 
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 9:17:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Terrie,It's so sweet that Vinnie and Buggy are sitting vigil with 
  you and Dukee.  What a lovely family you have.  I know it sometimes 
  helps ease the pain, just a little, to talk to my loved one about all the 
  Angels and friends that are hovering near, waiting anxiously to greet 
  them.  I talk about the joy and celebration that awaits, how soon there 
  will be no more pain, no more discomfort, no more fear.  How soon they 
  will leave their beautiful body behind, to venture on an incredible 
  adventure.  I tell them how much their earth bound family will miss them, 
  but how they won't miss us.  They won't miss us because we will always be 
  connected, because we will love each other forever, and even though I'll only 
  be able to see them in my dreams and memories, they'll be able to see me 
  whenever they like.  I close my eyes and "see" them whole and free, 
  chasing butterflies with my loved ones that have already passed.  I ask 
  them to see it with me, to know that they are going to a beautiful place full 
  of loving friends.  I talk about the first time I laid eyes on them, 
  favorite memories, about how those moments will exist in my heart and keep me 
  company until we can be together again.  Of course all this is said 
  through a flood of tears, but still, it brings a smile of comfort to my face, 
  because I believe in my heart that all this is 
true.Nina

 
Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE 
& COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/

Re: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online...Computer glitch






That's okay...I understand.
 
Thank you and Bless you!
 
Dukee is in his cat carrier by the cat beds. 

He is acting as if he wants to be alone in which we (Vinnie, 
Buggy and me)are staying right where we are at this time. If he decides to leave 
on his own we will be with him til the end.
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 9:11:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Something just went very awry with my computer!  Please pardon all 
  those messages.
   
  GinaGina WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  
Terrie,
 
I am so sorry about Dukee.  I am going to be online until at least 
12:30 pm (PST).  If you want to write back and forth, on the list or at 
my email address, please do.  I will be sending calming peaceful 
energy to Dukee and you.  I am going to 
 
Gina   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 


 
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(





Terrie,
It's so sweet that Vinnie and Buggy are sitting vigil with you and
Dukee.  What a lovely family you have.  I know it sometimes helps ease
the pain, just a little, to talk to my loved one about all the Angels
and friends that are hovering near, waiting anxiously to greet them.  I
talk about the joy and celebration that awaits, how soon there will be
no more pain, no more discomfort, no more fear.  How soon they will
leave their beautiful body behind, to venture on an incredible
adventure.  I tell them how much their earth bound family will miss
them, but how they won't miss us.  They won't miss us because we will
always be connected, because we will love each other forever, and even
though I'll only be able to see them in my dreams and memories, they'll
be able to see me whenever they like.  I close my eyes and "see" them
whole and free, chasing butterflies with my loved ones that have
already passed.  I ask them to see it with me, to know that they are
going to a beautiful place full of loving friends.  I talk about the
first time I laid eyes on them, favorite memories, about how those
moments will exist in my heart and keep me company until we can be
together again.  Of course all this is said through a flood of tears,
but still, it brings a smile of comfort to my face, because I believe
in my heart that all this is true.
Nina


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  Elizabeth, Kelly, and Nina,
  Thank you so much for your nice emails. 
  I would like to add thanks to those that have
responded to my posting of Dukee you all are very comforting in the
time of need.
  Especially you HideyoBless You!
   
  I'm WA. state which is pacific time.
   
  In a message dated 10/26/2006 8:41:45 P.M. Pacific Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Oh Terrie, I'm so sorry.  Do you have any Valium in the
house?  It helped one of mine relax and let go when he was suffering
and it was close to his time.  Sally uses the homeopathic remedy
Arsenicum.  She was told that it will help ease them into a peaceful
transition.  What time zone are you in?  Are you near a Whole Foods?  I
wish I could think of words to comfort you, there just aren't any at a
time like this.  Please know that you are not alone, we all feel for
you and Dukee, we're with you in spirit and of course you are in our
prayers.  I'm sure your loving presence is a comfort to your sweet
baby. 
Much love,
Nina

  
  
   
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SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online...Computer glitch

Something just went very awry with my computer! Please pardon all those messages. GinaGina WN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Terrie, I am so sorry about Dukee. I am going to be online until at least 12:30 pm (PST). If you want to write back and forth, on the list or at my email address, please do. I will be sending calming peaceful energy to Dukee and you. I am going to Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to add that he is starting to breathe harder as well. I held him a few minutes ago felt him all over. He has no tummy and I don't hear any rattling in his lungs. I don't feel any tumors or anything out of the ordinary. I think it is his heart since I did mention he had a heart murmur. I have also included another kitty with us which is Buggy my LH Torti PT. She was like his mom when he was a baby. She is washing him right now as I type this. I have told Dukee that if he wants to go it is okay and if I have to I will help him go to the bridge. I will be close by to my computer so I can do my business and read emails from those of you that
are still up. I will stay in the room tonight with Dukee along with Vinnie and Buggy. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online

Terrie, I am so sorry about Dukee. I am going to be online until at least 12:30 pm (PST). If you want to write back and forth, on the list or at my email address, please do. I will be sending calming peaceful energy to Dukee and you. I am going Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to add that he is starting to breathe harder as well. I held him a few minutes ago felt him all over. He has no tummy and I don't hear any rattling in his lungs. I don't feel any tumors
or anything out of the ordinary. I think it is his heart since I did mention he had a heart murmur. I have also included another kitty with us which is Buggy my LH Torti PT. She was like his mom when he was a baby. She is washing him right now as I type this. I have told Dukee that if he wants to go it is okay and if I have to I will help him go to the bridge. I will be close by to my computer so I can do my business and read emails from those of you that are still up. I will stay in the room tonight with Dukee along with Vinnie and Buggy. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE &
COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online

Terrie, I am so sorry about Dukee. I am going to be online until at least 12:30 pm (PST). If you want to write back and forth, on the list or at my email address, please do. I will be sending calming peaceful energy to Dukee and you. I Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to add that he is starting to breathe harder as well. I held him a few minutes ago felt him all over. He has no tummy and I don't hear any rattling in his lungs. I don't feel any tumors or
anything out of the ordinary. I think it is his heart since I did mention he had a heart murmur. I have also included another kitty with us which is Buggy my LH Torti PT. She was like his mom when he was a baby. She is washing him right now as I type this. I have told Dukee that if he wants to go it is okay and if I have to I will help him go to the bridge. I will be close by to my computer so I can do my business and read emails from those of you that are still up. I will stay in the room tonight with Dukee along with Vinnie and Buggy. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE
RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle

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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online

Terrie, I am so sorry about Dukee. I am going to be online until at least 12:30 pm (PST). If you want to write back and forth, on the list or at my email address, please do. I will be sending calming peaceful energy to Dukee and you. Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to add that he is starting to breathe harder as well. I held him a few minutes ago felt him all over. He has no tummy and I don't hear any rattling in his lungs. I don't feel any tumors or anything
out of the ordinary. I think it is his heart since I did mention he had a heart murmur. I have also included another kitty with us which is Buggy my LH Torti PT. She was like his mom when he was a baby. She is washing him right now as I type this. I have told Dukee that if he wants to go it is okay and if I have to I will help him go to the bridge. I will be close by to my computer so I can do my business and read emails from those of you that are still up. I will stay in the room tonight with Dukee along with Vinnie and Buggy. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE
RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online

Terrie, I am so sorry about Dukee. I am going to be online until at least 12:30 pm (PST). If you want to write back and forth, on the list or at my email address, please do. I will be sending calming peaceful energy to Dukee and you. I am going to Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to add that he is starting to breathe harder as well. I held him a few minutes ago felt him all over. He has no tummy and I don't hear any rattling in his lungs. I don't feel any
tumors or anything out of the ordinary. I think it is his heart since I did mention he had a heart murmur. I have also included another kitty with us which is Buggy my LH Torti PT. She was like his mom when he was a baby. She is washing him right now as I type this. I have told Dukee that if he wants to go it is okay and if I have to I will help him go to the bridge. I will be close by to my computer so I can do my business and read emails from those of you that are still up. I will stay in the room tonight with Dukee along with Vinnie and Buggy. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE
& COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :( I am up and online

Terrie, I am so sorry about Dukee. I am going to be online until at least 12:30 pm (PST). If you want to write back and forth, on the list or at my email address, please do. I will be sending calming peaceful energy to Dukee and you. I am Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to add that he is starting to breathe harder as well. I held him a few minutes ago felt him all over. He has no tummy and I don't hear any rattling in his lungs. I don't feel any tumors or
anything out of the ordinary. I think it is his heart since I did mention he had a heart murmur. I have also included another kitty with us which is Buggy my LH Torti PT. She was like his mom when he was a baby. She is washing him right now as I type this. I have told Dukee that if he wants to go it is okay and if I have to I will help him go to the bridge. I will be close by to my computer so I can do my business and read emails from those of you that are still up. I will stay in the room tonight with Dukee along with Vinnie and Buggy. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(

2006-10-26 Thread Barb Moermond

Terrie,We're all here for you and yours and are sending strength and calm your way. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous- Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:15:19 PMSubject: Losing Dukee.. :(

As I sit here I'm crying my eyes out having problems typing
this to you all. My husband keeps checking on us see how we are doing. We are in
my computer room with his best buddy "Vinnie".
I have soft lights, food and water along with their beds in
here.
Can anyone tell me what tranquilizer to give to help him to the
Rainbow Bridge? Otherwise I will wait until early morning to let him
go.
So this will be a long night for me.
He is crying and very weak. He has never been one to cry. He is
such a good boy just like my original Taz. Poor guys have never done anything
wrong in their lives. God they are about the same age too when it was
time.
God this is so heartbreaking!
I have given him his doses of his meds and the Interferon
nothing is working for him. Force feeding isn't a option here because I don't
want him throwing up what little he has eaten.. I have given him everything I
can possibly think of even cans of Tuna with juice.
Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(






Elizabeth, Kelly, and Nina,
Thank you so much for your nice emails. 
I would like to add thanks to those that have responded to my 
posting of Dukee you all are very comforting in the time of 
need.
Especially you HideyoBless You!
 
I'm WA. state which is pacific time.
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 8:41:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh 
  Terrie, I'm so sorry.  Do you have any Valium in the house?  It 
  helped one of mine relax and let go when he was suffering and it was close to 
  his time.  Sally uses the homeopathic remedy Arsenicum.  She was 
  told that it will help ease them into a peaceful transition.  What time 
  zone are you in?  Are you near a Whole Foods?  I wish I could think 
  of words to comfort you, there just aren't any at a time like this.  
  Please know that you are not alone, we all feel for you and Dukee, we're with 
  you in spirit and of course you are in our prayers.  I'm sure your loving 
  presence is a comfort to your sweet baby. Much 
love,Nina

 
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(




I would like to add that he is starting to breathe harder as 
well.
I held him a few minutes ago felt him all over. He has no tummy 
and I don't hear any rattling in his lungs. I don't feel any tumors or anything 
out of the ordinary.
I think it is his heart since I did mention he had a heart 
murmur. 
I have also included another kitty with us which is Buggy my LH 
Torti PT. She was like his mom when he was a baby. 
She is washing him right now as I type 
this.
I have told Dukee that if he wants to go it is okay and if I 
have to I will help him go to the bridge.
I will be close by to my computer so I can do my business and 
read emails from those of you that are still up.
I will stay in the room tonight with Dukee along with 
Vinnie and Buggy.
 
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(





Oh Terrie, I'm so sorry.  Do you have any Valium in the house?  It
helped one of mine relax and let go when he was suffering and it was
close to his time.  Sally uses the homeopathic remedy Arsenicum.  She
was told that it will help ease them into a peaceful transition.  What
time zone are you in?  Are you near a Whole Foods?  I wish I could
think of words to comfort you, there just aren't any at a time like
this.  Please know that you are not alone, we all feel for you and
Dukee, we're with you in spirit and of course you are in our prayers. 
I'm sure your loving presence is a comfort to your sweet baby. 
Much love,
Nina



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  As I sit here I'm crying my eyes out having problems
typing this to you all. My husband keeps checking on us see how we are
doing. We are in my computer room with his best buddy "Vinnie". 
  I have soft lights, food and water along with their
beds in here.
   
  Can anyone tell me what tranquilizer to give to help
him to the Rainbow Bridge? Otherwise I will wait until early morning to
let him go.
  So  this will be a long night for me.
   
  He is crying and very weak. He has never been one to
cry. He is such a good boy just like my original Taz. Poor guys have
never done anything wrong in their lives. God they are about the same
age too when it was time.
  God this is so heartbreaking!
  I have given him his doses of his meds and the
Interferon nothing is working for him. Force feeding isn't a option
here because I don't want him throwing up what little he has eaten.. I
have given him everything I can possibly think of even cans of Tuna
with juice.
   
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(

2006-10-26 Thread kelly



At 08:15 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
I have been told that some valium might relax him,,it is so very hard..My
heart andtears are with you. 
Kelly

As I sit here I'm
crying my eyes out having problems typing this to you all. My husband
keeps checking on us see how we are doing. We are in my computer room
with his best buddy "Vinnie". 
I have soft lights, food and water along with their beds in here.
 
Can anyone tell me what tranquilizer to give to help him to the
Rainbow Bridge? Otherwise I will wait until early morning to let him
go.
So  this will be a long night for me.
 
He is crying and very weak. He has never been one to cry. He is
such a good boy just like my original Taz. Poor guys have never done
anything wrong in their lives. God they are about the same age too when
it was time.
God this is so heartbreaking!
I have given him his doses of his meds and the Interferon nothing is
working for him. Force feeding isn't a option here because I don't want
him throwing up what little he has eaten.. I have given him everything I
can possibly think of even cans of Tuna with juice.
 
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Re: Losing Dukee...... :(

2006-10-26 Thread ETrent

Oh Terrie. I am in tears too. I wish I knew something that
would help. I send my love and my prayers to you both.
elizabeth
In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:16:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

As I sit here I'm crying my eyes out having problems typing
this to you all. My husband keeps checking on us see how we are doing. We are
in my computer room with his best buddy "Vinnie".
I have soft lights, food and water along with their beds in
here.
Can anyone tell me what tranquilizer to give to help him to
the Rainbow Bridge? Otherwise I will wait until early morning to let him
go.
So this will be a long night for
me.
He is crying and very weak. He has never been one to cry. He
is such a good boy just like my original Taz. Poor guys have never done
anything wrong in their lives. God they are about the same age too when it was
time.
God this is so heartbreaking!
I have given him his doses of his meds and the Interferon
nothing is working for him. Force feeding isn't a option here because I don't
want him throwing up what little he has eaten.. I have given him everything I
can possibly think of even cans of Tuna with juice.
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If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with
their fellow man. ~St. Francis

Losing Dukee...... :(




As I sit here I'm crying my eyes out having problems typing 
this to you all. My husband keeps checking on us see how we are doing. We are in 
my computer room with his best buddy "Vinnie". 
I have soft lights, food and water along with their beds in 
here.
 
Can anyone tell me what tranquilizer to give to help him to the 
Rainbow Bridge? Otherwise I will wait until early morning to let him 
go.
So  this will be a long night for me.
 
He is crying and very weak. He has never been one to cry. He is 
such a good boy just like my original Taz. Poor guys have never done anything 
wrong in their lives. God they are about the same age too when it was 
time.
God this is so heartbreaking!
I have given him his doses of his meds and the Interferon 
nothing is working for him. Force feeding isn't a option here because I don't 
want him throwing up what little he has eaten.. I have given him everything I 
can possibly think of even cans of Tuna with juice.
 
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Re: Tsunade, question, and Samantha

  The teeth and roots are being reabsorbed into her gums, the only way 
to fix it is pull the teeth and make sure to get all of the root out, 
otherwise it's basically like doing nothing and very painful.


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Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

2006-10-26 Thread Peggy Ankney









We’re having similar problems with Montana and
Scooter.  Scooter is our new adopted
FeLV+ kitty, and before Scooter came to us, Montana pretty much
slept on our bed at night, hung out with me while I was working, and generally
was the boss of the place.  Years
ago, when I adopted Karma, they fought (hissing and some batting) but
eventually became civil enough to both sleep on the same bed at night (much to
my husband’s dismay at times!). 
But now that Scooter is here, Montana is making himself scarce, and I do worry about him.  He’s a big baby, and I don’t
want him to feel unwelcome in his own house, but at the same time, Scooter
needs us.  Part of the problem is
that Scooter is so young and playful and shows no fear of the others, but they
just don’t like him yet.  He’s
not exactly working hard to gain friendship either - if Montana is sleeping
in a chair, Scooter will approach the chair, Montana will growl
a warning, Scooter will continue approaching, and eventually there’s hissing
and batting.  (I am slightly worried
about the hissing, but it’s mostly by Montana, who is
negative, as I’ve yet to see Scooter hiss at either cat.)  So at times it’s less than
peaceful and although it’s hard for me to see Montana avoiding
being inside, and I miss him at night, I know that eventually they will all
learn to get along.  

 

Maybe if Molly knows that other people who take in cats have
to go through the same sometimes painful period of adjustment, she’ll be
willing to give Katya another chance.  I hope so!  

 

-Peggy and JR

mouth problems




I just read the vetrinary guidelines and noticed that they say AZT can help 
with stomatitis. That's a good thing to keep in mind.  For the person who 
recently posted about a cat with mouth problems, it is something to look 
into.
 
Michelle
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I was surprised when I read this.
 
■ Cats infected with FeLV or FIV may live for many years.
A decision for euthanasia should never be made solely on the basis of
whether or not a cat is infected.
http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/Felv_FIV_Guidelines.pdf
 
So maybe one of the questions we should advise new people to ask their vets is if they agree and abide by these guidelines...
 
Apologies if yall have seen these before, I just hadn't...-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese
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Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?




I think that the reason this list is different is that it takes a different 
sort of person to want to and be willing to care for cats with FeLV.  It 
takes a lot of compassion, and also a lot of willingness to face hard things, 
and also a willingness to have an open mind and do some research. All of this 
makes the list self-selecting, I think, to people who are more generally 
compassionate and less combative than on other lists. And people withh FeLV 
positive cats also have to deal with the fact that most vets are just abysmal 
and clueless on this subject, which makes us really need to depend on each other 
to learn the information that we all need to take care of our cats.  Which, 
I think, also makes us nicer and less combative than people on other lists, 
because we really NEED to be here for very practical reasons, and we really 
need, and recognize that we need, each other's advice and information.  
With FeLV we do not have the luxury of alienating each other in order to have a 
petty argument.  I am not sure that people on other lists feel so dependent 
on each other.  In fact, on one of the IBD lists a woman really, really 
tore into me for questioning something that another member had been told by a 
vet.  She wrote that it was completely inappropriate for me to do that 
because I do not have a veterinary degree.  It was one of the reasons I 
left that list. I can not imagine anyone on this list writing that. We have all 
had such bad experiences with vets, so we don't put them on a pedestal. Which 
does make us need each other more.
 
Just my thoughts.  I have spent some time thinking about the subject, 
because this list really is so amazing, and so much better than all the 
others.
 
Michelle

Re: Samantha has feline leukemia





Go to a feline dentist, not a regular vet, to get them removed. The dentist 
will be more expensive, but it is worth it if you can afford it.  They do a 
much better job.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:57:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank 
  you so much for the article. It answers more questions than anyvet. The 
  vet does suggest three tooth extractions although she said thiswould buy 
  the cat only 3 to 6 months. Eventually all the teeth will haveto be 
  removed. The article mentioned irritability because of the mouthpain. That 
  is very accurate in Samantha 's case. She definitely isirritible. I 
  noticed that ever since I adopted her.

Tsunade, question, and Samantha

2006-10-26 Thread Chelsea Bennett


Tsunade is doing much better.  She has really gotten into playing with
toys (was not interested at 1st).  I bought some new toys yesterday, put
4 of them in her porch and she went wild knocking them everwhere.  She
even brought me a present, she carried her fish plush toy, and dropped it
on the mat next to the door that leads inside.  When she was staying
outdoors, before I decided to keep her, she would bring a half-eaten vole
or sometimes whole voles as presents.  I like the toys much better, its
cute and the rodents can live in peace now.

My question is HOW can a cat that is leukemia positive make the virus
go away or become dormant???  I understand a false test result, but I
thought once a cat gets the leukemia there is no way to truly get rid of
it.  Please clear this up for me.

This is for Samantha.  If her totth roots are showing why not just do
surgery to pull the gums back up over the roots???  The tooth roots of
all of my bottom teeth are showing, and they are getting lower and lower.
 I will probably have to have gum sugery within the next year because my
lower gums continue to recede.  My dentist is puzzled by this as I am
young, 23, and have never had a cavity.  Go figure.

Chelsea

Re: Samantha has feline leukemia





It is completely unpredictable.  But supplements and good care seem to 
help a lot.  I forgot to mention that CoQ10 is supposed to help with gum 
problems. I had one of mine on it for a few years.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/25/2006 6:08:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was 
  wondering if there is a progression to feline leukemia. If my cathas 
  had  it at least one year now and currently she has red gums, 
  poorcoat and is rather thin, what can I expect or is it an unknown? I'll 
  tryto get her some help from a holistic vet. Hopefully some treatment 
  tostrenghten her immune system.

Re: OT:Need prayers for my baby Dharma again pleease - to michelle





It depends on what is causing the anemia. If it is either an auto-immune 
reaction or lymphoma in the bone marrow, steroids should help (though a stronger 
steroid like dexamethasone would help more, probably).  If it is leukemia 
the cancer it might help also.  It probably will not help for any other 
cause of anemia.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 10/25/2006 3:30:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, I can’t 
  remember I f it was you or someone else – will steroid help anemia 
  anyway?

Re: To Kat: Oregon Grape... flower essences

2006-10-26 Thread Ioana-Dina Rican

Hi Kat and Nina, Thank you for all your information. I am learning new things everyday. Kat, I didn't received your email, but I saw it attached to Nina's. Thanks, IoanaNina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Ioana and Kat,I got my Oregon Grape fe online through Earth Spirits: http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/allessences.htmThey distribute for several different companies, the Oregon Grape is offered through Flower Essence Services (FES): http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/QuinetessentialsFE/QuintessentialsFE.htmAustralian Bush FE has a combination essence, (RR is a combination essence), called Relationship, that might be more appropriate for normal "fussyness" between family
members:http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/AusBushFE/AustBushFE.htmThe nice thing about fes is you can either apply them directly to the inner tip of the ear, in between the pads of their feet, or add just a few drops to the communal water bowl. There are no adverse reactions to them as far as I've ever heard. Results seem to be very individual. For instance, some of my animals react more favorably to Rescue Remedy, whereas others do better with the Australian Bush combination essence "Emergency".I use fes with the feeling that they can't hurt, and just might help. They aren't an instant fix kind of solution, so I never know if my behavior modification attempts are what's working or a combination of both. I figure what the heck. NinaKat wrote:> Hi Ioana,>> >> Oregon Grape (Mahonia nervosa) --> I have
heard of some cases of aggression being helped by this. It is> useful for fears as a result of being paranoid or having some mistrust of> others. It may enable your animal to again begin to trust and feel more> comfortable with others. Releases the habit of valuing yourself> in relationship to others. Encourages knowing your true vital unique> nature. Looking outside to others, instead of valuing yourself for who you> uniquely are. Giving away your power to others. Codependence. This may> encourage the physical body to hold onto toxins that lead to liver,> gallbladder, skin or eyes diseases. For social paranoia, misunderstanding> of the behavior of others, the imagining or expectation of hostility from> others; promotes trust and the expectation of good will.>> If you google it you should come up with quite a few sites.>> I like Green Hope Farms, but they may not have this
particular flower> essence, I haven't looked in a while.>> Kat (Me wJersey)
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Re: Acemannan availability

2006-10-26 Thread ETrent






Believe me, Kat - I am on the look out for killer rabbits.
 
Considering the amount of stress, crapola, red tape and politics 
I go through on a daily basis (not to mention having to code like a 
bandit) - this is somewhere down in the noise as far as the amount of 
stress generated.  I'm very glad to do it - I just hope we can get some 
answers and that it is helpful.
 
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 4:50:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Elizabeth,It almost sounds like a Monty Python skit in the 
  making...I applaud you for your perseverance and your patience - 
  Iprobably would have had a meltdown by now!!Please keep on 
  keeping-on, you're doing a wonderful thingfor all of us!Kat (Mew 
  Jersey)On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Date: Thu, 26 
  Oct 2006 16:54:02 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
  Subject: Re: Acemannan availability>> I think my ear is purple 
  from being on hold and I am quite dizzy from the "run-around".>> 
  That being said, I am still awaiting calls from the CEO of Carrington Labs and 
  from the FDA.  I contacted the USDA and talked to the main office, 
  USDA-Veterinary Services, USDA-APHIS (Animal and Plant Health Investigative 
  Services), USDA-Animal Care, and finally a member of the senior staff at 
  USDA-APHIS, Dr. Davis.  Dr. Davis was very helpful and he has worked in 
  this office for many years.  He tells me that injectible Acemannan falls 
  outside the jurisdiction of the USDA.  They handle vaccines - but no 
  other veterinary medicines.  He checked his resources and said that this 
  drug was approved by the FDA and that it would fall under their 
  jurisdiction.>> I asked Dr. Davis if the USDA removed products 
  from commerce while conducting audits.  He told me that he has never 
  heard of that happening in all his years working for the USDA.>> 
  After my conversation with Dr. Davis, I called Dr. Nicholson at Veterinary 
  Products Laboratories and told her what I had learned from the USDA.  I 
  asked her if they had documentation that informed them of the audit and if she 
  could check that for me and verify the initiator of the audit.  She told 
  me that this information was passed down to them from Carrington Labs.  I 
  asked Dr. Nicholson if she thought it would be helpful for me to write my 
  congressman.  She told me that a lot of people were doing that and it 
  could only help.>> Meanwhile, we wait to talk to the FDA and 
  Carrington Labs (or rather, the appropriate office for redirection of 
  blame).>> Stay tuned for another episode in the continuing 
  saga...> Elizabeth>> *Save the earth. It's the only 
  planet with chocolate.*>>> -Original 
  Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 1:09 PM> 
  Subject: Re: Acemannan availability>>> Dr. Nicholson at 
  Veterinary Laboratories returned my call a moment ago.  The organization 
  responsible for this audit is the USDA.  She gave me some contact numbers 
  there and I am going to do my very best to be professional when I express to 
  the USDA my displeasure with knowing that there are cats whose lives may have 
  depended on this product while they took their time doing their audit.  
  Dr. Nicholson told me this one man who is in charge of the veterinary division 
  may not even know about this but I assured her that he would after I spoke to 
  him.>> The mixture used in the injectible Acemannan (pronounced 
  like it sounds - "Ace manan") is proprietary and so there is no generic and 
  they have people from over seas calling everyday trying to get the 
  product.  Right now, it simply isn't available.  Dr. Nicholson did 
  not know why Acemannan Hydrogel is not subjected to the audit when it contains 
  the same raw ingredients.  There is another lab right now that has an 
  audit going on but the product being audited is not currently withheld from 
  commerce.  The USDA has some questions to answer.>> 
  Meanwhile, I asked Dr. Nicholson if there was a human equivalent to 
  Acemannan.  She told me that Manapol Plus (by Carrington Labs) is used 
  for people.  It is taken orally rather than as an injection.  She 
  was not sure if this product had been studied for use in cats but she thought 
  it may have been.>> I asked her if the USDA had given any 
  indication of how long this audit would last - and she told me that the last 
  she heard, they hoped to be through in November.>> What I want 
  to know is what gives the USDA the right to remove a proprietary product from 
  the market that has been proven to save cat's lives?  Even if lives 
  weren't at stake - what gives them the right to shut down this company's 
  bottom line?  What if this were the only product they made?  This 
  goes against everything our system stands for and I refuse to sit passively 
  while this happens.  I'm wondering

Re: To Kat: Oregon Grape... flower essences

Hi Ioana and Kat,
I got my Oregon Grape fe online through Earth Spirits:
http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/allessences.htm

They distribute for several different companies, the Oregon Grape is
offered through Flower Essence Services (FES):
http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/QuinetessentialsFE/QuintessentialsFE.htm

Australian Bush FE has a combination essence, (RR is a combination
essence), called Relationship, that might be more appropriate for normal
"fussyness" between family members:

http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/AusBushFE/AustBushFE.htm

The nice thing about fes is you can either apply them directly to the
inner tip of the ear, in between the pads of their feet, or add just a
few drops to the communal water bowl. There are no adverse reactions to
them as far as I've ever heard. Results seem to be very individual.
For instance, some of my animals react more favorably to Rescue Remedy,
whereas others do better with the Australian Bush combination essence
"Emergency".

I use fes with the feeling that they can't hurt, and just might help.
They aren't an instant fix kind of solution, so I never know if my
behavior modification attempts are what's working or a combination of
both. I figure what the heck.
Nina

Kat wrote:

Hi Ioana,

Oregon Grape (Mahonia nervosa) --
I have heard of some cases of aggression being helped by this. It is
useful for fears as a result of being paranoid or having some mistrust of
others. It may enable your animal to again begin to trust and feel more
comfortable with others. Releases the habit of valuing yourself
in relationship to others. Encourages knowing your true vital unique
nature. Looking outside to others, instead of valuing yourself for who you
uniquely are. Giving away your power to others. Codependence. This may
encourage the physical body to hold onto toxins that lead to liver,
gallbladder, skin or eyes diseases. For social paranoia, misunderstanding
of the behavior of others, the imagining or expectation of hostility from
others; promotes trust and the expectation of good will.

If you google it you should come up with quite a few sites.

I like Green Hope Farms, but they may not have this particular flower
essence, I haven't looked in a while.

Kat (Me wJersey)

Re: MA-Otto, All White, 5 yrs-FeLV+, Lived in car, seeks home

2006-10-26 Thread Watsdadillyo




Oh my!! What a beautiful cat!!! I hope he finds a home...I love to have him 
i'm in nj though...he is soo cute and looks like my "crackers" distatnt "cousin" 
so cute
kayte and crackers

Re: To Kat: Oregon Grape...

Hi Ioana,

Oregon Grape (Mahonia nervosa) --
I have heard of some cases of aggression being helped by this.  It is
useful for fears as a result of being paranoid or having some mistrust of
others. It may enable your animal to again begin to trust and feel more
comfortable with others. Releases the habit of valuing yourself
in relationship to others. Encourages knowing your true vital unique
nature. Looking outside to others, instead of valuing yourself for who you
uniquely are. Giving away your power to others. Codependence. This may
encourage the physical body to hold onto toxins that lead to liver,
gallbladder, skin or eyes diseases. For social paranoia, misunderstanding
of the behavior of others, the imagining or expectation of hostility from
others; promotes trust and the expectation of good will.

If you google it you should come up with quite a few sites.

I like Green Hope Farms, but they may not have this particular flower
essence, I haven't looked in a while.

Kat (Me wJersey)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Ioana-Dina Rican wrote:

> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:32:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ioana-Dina Rican <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: To Kat: Oregon Grape...
>
> What is this Oregon Grape Flower Essence good for?  Where it can be purchased 
> from?
>   Ioana
>
> Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Kerry,
> Oregon Grape Flower Essence
> There is a small overview pertaining to cats at
> http://www.holisticat.com/fes.html
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
>
>
> -
> Do you Yahoo!?
>  Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

To Kat: Oregon Grape...

2006-10-26 Thread Ioana-Dina Rican

What is this Oregon Grape Flower Essence good for?  Where it can be purchased from?  IoanaKat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Kerry,Oregon Grape Flower EssenceThere is a small overview pertaining to cats athttp://www.holisticat.com/fes.htmlKat (Mew Jersey) 
		Do you Yahoo!? 
Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Re: Acemannan availability

Elizabeth,

It almost sounds like a Monty Python skit in the making...

I applaud you for your perseverance and your patience - I
probably would have had a meltdown by now!!

Please keep on keeping-on, you're doing a wonderful thing
for all of us!

Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:54:02 -0400
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Acemannan availability
>
> I think my ear is purple from being on hold and I am quite dizzy from the 
> "run-around".
>
> That being said, I am still awaiting calls from the CEO of Carrington Labs 
> and from the FDA.  I contacted the USDA and talked to the main office, 
> USDA-Veterinary Services, USDA-APHIS (Animal and Plant Health Investigative 
> Services), USDA-Animal Care, and finally a member of the senior staff at 
> USDA-APHIS, Dr. Davis.  Dr. Davis was very helpful and he has worked in this 
> office for many years.  He tells me that injectible Acemannan falls outside 
> the jurisdiction of the USDA.  They handle vaccines - but no other veterinary 
> medicines.  He checked his resources and said that this drug was approved by 
> the FDA and that it would fall under their jurisdiction.
>
> I asked Dr. Davis if the USDA removed products from commerce while conducting 
> audits.  He told me that he has never heard of that happening in all his 
> years working for the USDA.
>
> After my conversation with Dr. Davis, I called Dr. Nicholson at Veterinary 
> Products Laboratories and told her what I had learned from the USDA.  I asked 
> her if they had documentation that informed them of the audit and if she 
> could check that for me and verify the initiator of the audit.  She told me 
> that this information was passed down to them from Carrington Labs.  I asked 
> Dr. Nicholson if she thought it would be helpful for me to write my 
> congressman.  She told me that a lot of people were doing that and it could 
> only help.
>
> Meanwhile, we wait to talk to the FDA and Carrington Labs (or rather, the 
> appropriate office for redirection of blame).
>
> Stay tuned for another episode in the continuing saga...
> Elizabeth
>
> *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 1:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Acemannan availability
>
>
> Dr. Nicholson at Veterinary Laboratories returned my call a moment ago.  The 
> organization responsible for this audit is the USDA.  She gave me some 
> contact numbers there and I am going to do my very best to be professional 
> when I express to the USDA my displeasure with knowing that there are cats 
> whose lives may have depended on this product while they took their time 
> doing their audit.  Dr. Nicholson told me this one man who is in charge of 
> the veterinary division may not even know about this but I assured her that 
> he would after I spoke to him.
>
> The mixture used in the injectible Acemannan (pronounced like it sounds - 
> "Ace manan") is proprietary and so there is no generic and they have people 
> from over seas calling everyday trying to get the product.  Right now, it 
> simply isn't available.  Dr. Nicholson did not know why Acemannan Hydrogel is 
> not subjected to the audit when it contains the same raw ingredients.  There 
> is another lab right now that has an audit going on but the product being 
> audited is not currently withheld from commerce.  The USDA has some questions 
> to answer.
>
> Meanwhile, I asked Dr. Nicholson if there was a human equivalent to 
> Acemannan.  She told me that Manapol Plus (by Carrington Labs) is used for 
> people.  It is taken orally rather than as an injection.  She was not sure if 
> this product had been studied for use in cats but she thought it may have 
> been.
>
> I asked her if the USDA had given any indication of how long this audit would 
> last - and she told me that the last she heard, they hoped to be through in 
> November.
>
> What I want to know is what gives the USDA the right to remove a proprietary 
> product from the market that has been proven to save cat's lives?  Even if 
> lives weren't at stake - what gives them the right to shut down this 
> company's bottom line?  What if this were the only product they made?  This 
> goes against everything our system stands for and I refuse to sit passively 
> while this happens.  I'm wondering if I need to write my congressman.
>
>
> Kiss the kitties for me,
> elizabeth
>
> *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Acemannan availability
>
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> Thanks for doing this!!!  That is awesome of you to
> take time to find out what's going on.  You are
> helping out so many others by doing this-that's why I
> like yo

Re: Acemannan availability

I think my ear is purple from being on hold and I am quite dizzy from the "run-around".

That being said, I am still awaiting calls from the CEO of Carrington Labs and from the FDA.  I contacted the USDA and talked to the main office, USDA-Veterinary Services, USDA-APHIS (Animal and Plant Health Investigative Services), USDA-Animal Care, and finally a member of the senior staff at USDA-APHIS, Dr. Davis.  Dr. Davis was very helpful and he has worked in this office for many years.  He tells me that injectible Acemannan falls outside the jurisdiction of the USDA.  They handle vaccines - but no other veterinary medicines.  He checked his resources and said that this drug was approved by the FDA and that it would fall under their jurisdiction.   

I asked Dr. Davis if the USDA removed products from commerce while conducting audits.  He told me that he has never heard of that happening in all his years working for the USDA.  

After my conversation with Dr. Davis, I called Dr. Nicholson at Veterinary Products Laboratories and told her what I had learned from the USDA.  I asked her if they had documentation that informed them of the audit and if she could check that for me and verify the initiator of the audit.  She told me that this information was passed down to them from Carrington Labs.  I asked Dr. Nicholson if she thought it would be helpful for me to write my congressman.  She told me that a lot of people were doing that and it could only help.

Meanwhile, we wait to talk to the FDA and Carrington Labs (or rather, the appropriate office for redirection of blame).

Stay tuned for another episode in the continuing saga...

Elizabeth 

*Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Acemannan availability

Dr. Nicholson at Veterinary Laboratories returned my call a moment ago.  The organization responsible for this audit is the USDA.  She gave me some contact numbers there and I am going to do my very best to be professional when I express to the USDA my displeasure with knowing that there are cats whose lives may have depended on this product while they took their time doing their audit.  Dr. Nicholson told me this one man who is in charge of the veterinary division may not even know about this but I assured her that he would after I spoke to him.

The mixture used in the injectible Acemannan (pronounced like it sounds - "Ace manan") is proprietary and so there is no generic and they have people from over seas calling everyday trying to get the product.  Right now, it simply isn't available.  Dr. Nicholson did not know why Acemannan Hydrogel is not subjected to the audit when it contains the same raw ingredients.  There is another lab right now that has an audit going on but the product being audited is not currently withheld from commerce.  The USDA has some questions to answer.

Meanwhile, I asked Dr. Nicholson if there was a human equivalent to Acemannan.  She told me that Manapol Plus (by Carrington Labs) is used for people.  It is taken orally rather than as an injection.  She was not sure if this product had been studied for use in cats but she thought it may have been.

I asked her if the USDA had given any indication of how long this audit would last - and she told me that the last she heard, they hoped to be through in November.

What I want to know is what gives the USDA the right to remove a proprietary product from the market that has been proven to save cat's lives?  Even if lives weren't at stake - what gives them the right to shut down this company's bottom line?  What if this were the only product they made?  This goes against everything our system stands for and I refuse to sit passively while this happens.  I'm wondering if I need to write my congressman.

Kiss the kitties for me,

elizabeth

*Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Acemannan availability

Elizabeth,

Thanks for doing this!!!  That is awesome of you to
take time to find out what's going on.  You are
helping out so many others by doing this-that's why I
like you!

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've been on the phone this morning with Veterinary
> Products Laboratories.  They were unable to answer
> my questions but say they will have someone call me.
>  I also left a message for the CEO of Carrington
> Labs (without a great deal of hope that they will
> return my call).  I did my best to be friendly and
> professional...here is a list of my questions (and
> general talking points):
>  
> I understand that the injectable form of veterinary
> Acemannan is being withheld from the market due to
> an audit of this product.  As a member of the
> felineleukemia.

RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

2006-10-26 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Thanks Kat--I may get some Oregon Grape for my own cats.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat


Kerry,
Oregon Grape Flower Essence
There is a small overview pertaining to cats at
http://www.holisticat.com/fes.html
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:30:39 -0500
> From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
>
> Thanks so much Nina & Kat. You're gems. Have passed on these great
> ideas, and will be speaking to her tonight. Fingers crossed.
> (Nina, what's grape fe?)
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
>
>
> All really good ideas.  I forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and
> Oregon grape fe in her water.
> Nina
>
> Kat wrote:
>
>   Kerry,
>
>   It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start...
>   Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over.
>   Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day,
>   swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla
> dabbed
>   on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the
> same,
>   and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water
> (in
>   addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take
> time.
>   Do you think "Molly" will be open to this or does she think it's
> too
>   late to start over?
>
>   Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try.
>   Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
>   On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
>
>
>
>   Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500
>   From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N."
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
>
>   Hi all
>   I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my
> former foster cat
>   ("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in
> part (see
>   below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It
> seems she's about
>   to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on
> her own cat,
>   "Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm
> frantically casting
>   around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster
> Katya again in a
>   heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this,
> but it would be
>   better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to
> speak to Molly
>   tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some
> hope, maybe
>   that would encourage her to keep trying. I already
> encouraged her a
>   couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe
> she's done this.
>   All ideas gratefully received.
>   Kerry
>
>
>
>   Amber and Katya's relationship isn't
> getting any better.   I
>
>
>   basically didn't see Amber for two days.  She didn't
> come out from
>   underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box.
> Now she
>   sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because
> Katya is in there.
>   I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow
> Amber time to
>   roam a bit, but she doesn't.  I'll put her in the
> kitchen and she'll see
>   Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom
> or underneath
>   the bed.  It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and
> I miss my cat.
>   I'm sad on so many levels.  I don't think I can keep
> Katya... I just
>   don't know what to do anymore.   Kerry, I'll definitely
> give you a call
>   tonight.  Right now, I just keep crying.  I'm so
> heartbroken, but I
>   don't know what else to do. 
>
>   IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as
> to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or
Mayer,
> Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer
for
> the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S.
tax
> law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting,
> marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment
plan
> or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to
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Brown,
> Rowe

RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

Kerry,
Oregon Grape Flower Essence
There is a small overview pertaining to cats at
http://www.holisticat.com/fes.html
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:30:39 -0500
> From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
>
> Thanks so much Nina & Kat. You're gems. Have passed on these great
> ideas, and will be speaking to her tonight. Fingers crossed.
> (Nina, what's grape fe?)
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:12 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
>
>
> All really good ideas.  I forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and
> Oregon grape fe in her water.
> Nina
>
> Kat wrote:
>
>   Kerry,
>
>   It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start...
>   Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over.
>   Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day,
>   swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla
> dabbed
>   on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the
> same,
>   and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water
> (in
>   addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take
> time.
>   Do you think "Molly" will be open to this or does she think it's
> too
>   late to start over?
>
>   Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try.
>   Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
>   On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
>
>
>
>   Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500
>   From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N."
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
>
>   Hi all
>   I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my
> former foster cat
>   ("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in
> part (see
>   below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It
> seems she's about
>   to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on
> her own cat,
>   "Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm
> frantically casting
>   around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster
> Katya again in a
>   heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this,
> but it would be
>   better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to
> speak to Molly
>   tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some
> hope, maybe
>   that would encourage her to keep trying. I already
> encouraged her a
>   couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe
> she's done this.
>   All ideas gratefully received.
>   Kerry
>
>
>
>   Amber and Katya's relationship isn't
> getting any better.   I
>
>
>   basically didn't see Amber for two days.  She didn't
> come out from
>   underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box.
> Now she
>   sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because
> Katya is in there.
>   I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow
> Amber time to
>   roam a bit, but she doesn't.  I'll put her in the
> kitchen and she'll see
>   Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom
> or underneath
>   the bed.  It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and
> I miss my cat.
>   I'm sad on so many levels.  I don't think I can keep
> Katya... I just
>   don't know what to do anymore.   Kerry, I'll definitely
> give you a call
>   tonight.  Right now, I just keep crying.  I'm so
> heartbroken, but I
>   don't know what else to do. 
>
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> to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer,
> Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for
> the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax
> law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting,
> marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan
> or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to
> support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown,
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RE: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

2006-10-26 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message



Thanks 
so much Nina & Kat. You're gems. Have passed on these great ideas, and will 
be speaking to her tonight. Fingers crossed.
(Nina, 
what's grape fe?)

-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:12 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: o/t ideas 
please for my ex-foster catAll really good ideas.  I 
forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and Oregon grape fe in her 
water.NinaKat wrote: 
Kerry,

It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start...
Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over.
Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day,
swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed
on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same,
and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in
addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time.
Do you think "Molly" will be open to this or does she think it's too
late to start over?

Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  
  Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

Hi all
I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my former foster cat
("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see
below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about
to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat,
"Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting
around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a
heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be
better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly
tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe
that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a
couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this.
All ideas gratefully received.
Kerry



  
Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better.   I
  basically didn't see Amber for two days.  She didn't come out from
underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box.   Now she
sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there.
I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to
roam a bit, but she doesn't.  I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see
Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath
the bed.  It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat.
I'm sad on so many levels.  I don't think I can keep Katya... I just
don't know what to do anymore.   Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call
tonight.  Right now, I just keep crying.  I'm so heartbroken, but I
don't know what else to do. 

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Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat





All really good ideas.  I forgot to mention that Matilda gets RR and
Oregon grape fe in her water.
Nina

Kat wrote:

  Kerry,

It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start...
Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over.
Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day,
swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed
on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same,
and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in
addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time.
Do you think "Molly" will be open to this or does she think it's too
late to start over?

Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  
  
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500
From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

Hi all
I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my former foster cat
("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see
below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about
to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat,
"Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting
around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a
heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be
better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly
tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe
that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a
couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this.
All ideas gratefully received.
Kerry



  

  Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better.   I
  

  

basically didn't see Amber for two days.  She didn't come out from
underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box.   Now she
sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there.
I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to
roam a bit, but she doesn't.  I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see
Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath
the bed.  It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat.
I'm sad on so many levels.  I don't think I can keep Katya... I just
don't know what to do anymore.   Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call
tonight.  Right now, I just keep crying.  I'm so heartbroken, but I
don't know what else to do. 

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Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat


Kerry,
I feel for Molly and the cats.  Maybe you can help her to understand 
that it's not uncommon for acclimation to new homes with adult cats to 
take months not days or even weeks.  I would suggest she go back a few 
steps and confine Katya to a bathroom with a screen door.  Tell her to 
shower Amber with attention.  Amber will soon realize that she has 
nothing to fear from a Katya and relax back into her old behaviors.  
Katya might be unhappy about this new development, but tell Molly to not 
feel guilty about this.  She will be providing the best chance for Katya 
to keep her new home and not have to go through the distress of bouncing 
from foster to placement again, (a far harsher fate).  Poor Katya has 
been through enough upheaval, enough people have let her down, try to 
convince Molly that she will be her savior if she sticks by her long 
enough to help her fit in. 

When she wants to give Katya some freedom and attention, just have her 
put Amber in her bedroom and shut the door.  She can give Katya 
"exercise" periods the same time everyday and the cats will soon realize 
the pattern and not stress out about it.  If she really wants to speed 
the process along, she can invest, or borrow a 3' x 2' wire cage for 
Katya.  After Amber is once again feeling comfortable in her home, she 
can put Katya in the cage in the living room, or bedroom, or wherever, 
to give them a better opportunity to get used to each other without 
threat.  Tell her to put a small litter box, a bed, food and water in 
Katya's cage to help her feel more comfortable.


I've told you, (and the list) about our resident PTSD kitty, Matilda, 
(remember Matilda the Hun?).  Well, even I, who have sworn to never say 
never again, was having my doubts that Matilda would ever get over her 
fears and be safe enough to mix with my household.  Unlike Katya, 
Matilda poses a real danger to others, humans and animals alike.  I keep 
her segregated, (it's been a couple of months now), in the bedroom 
during the day, (screen door so she can see the activity), and in a cage 
by my bed at night.  I bought a service cart to put the cage on and I've 
been wheeling Matilda out into the kitchen when I make everyone's dinner 
and into the living room to watch TV with us all at night before bed.  
It's made a difference.  At first her eyes were wide as saucers watching 
all the dogs and cats parade under her cage.  Now she's relaxed for the 
most part.  If she gets stressed, I wheel her back to the bedroom and 
she calms down.  I also drape a sheet over part of the cage so she has a 
place to retreat to.  Anyway, a couple of days ago I let Matilda loose 
in the bedroom thinking everyone else was out of there.  About an hour 
later I noticed Timmy standing by the screen door waiting to be let 
out.  There was Matilda just two feet away, looking scared, but not 
attacking him, (I tell you this is huge progress!).  Idiot that I am, I 
did the same thing this morning with Kimba Cat.  Again, Matilda did not 
attack him, she just huddled in the corner and watched and waited while 
I let Kimba out.


Please tell Molly that there is hope.  If she's willing to do what's 
necessary and give these guys time to adjust, I'm sure they will figure 
out a way to not only coexist, but that having another animal of their 
own species has it's benefits.  If she's willing to try segregating them 
again, encourage her to put a time limit on the experiment.  That will 
help her to keep her resolve when she gets discouraged.  Try for 3 
months.  I promise you, she'll start to see progress much sooner than that.

Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

Hi all
I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my former foster cat
("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see
below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about
to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat,
"Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting
around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a
heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be
better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly
tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe
that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a
couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this.
All ideas gratefully received. 
Kerry

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Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

Kerry,

It's so hard when they get off to a wrong start...
Basically, you have to go back to square one and start all over.
Keeping them in seperate rooms, swapping their bedding each day,
swapping their rooms every 4-5 days, using cooking vanilla dabbed
on each one (both the head and the tail) to make them smell the same,
and using the appropriate flower essences in each one's water (in
addition to continuing with the Feliway). But this will take time.
Do you think "Molly" will be open to this or does she think it's too
late to start over?

Here's hoping she's willing to give it another try.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:12:43 -0500
> From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat
>
> Hi all
> I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my former foster cat
> ("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see
> below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about
> to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat,
> "Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting
> around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a
> heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be
> better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly
> tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe
> that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a
> couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this.
> All ideas gratefully received.
> Kerry
>
> >>>Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better.   I
> basically didn't see Amber for two days.  She didn't come out from
> underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box.   Now she
> sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there.
> I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to
> roam a bit, but she doesn't.  I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see
> Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath
> the bed.  It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat.
> I'm sad on so many levels.  I don't think I can keep Katya... I just
> don't know what to do anymore.   Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call
> tonight.  Right now, I just keep crying.  I'm so heartbroken, but I
> don't know what else to do. 
>
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o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

2006-10-26 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Hi all
I just got an email from the adopter ("Molly")of my former foster cat
("Katya"). Molly emailed the shelter and copied me in part (see
below--I've changed all names to protect privacy!). It seems she's about
to give up Katya because of the effect it's having on her own cat,
"Amber". Molly, I believe, is a good person, and I'm frantically casting
around for ideas to fix the situation. I would foster Katya again in a
heartbeat,and have already let the shelter know this, but it would be
better if we cd resolve the situation. I'm scheduled to speak to Molly
tonight on the phone. I thought if I could give her some hope, maybe
that would encourage her to keep trying. I already encouraged her a
couple of weeks ago to buy Feliway diffusers. I believe she's done this.
All ideas gratefully received. 
Kerry

>>>Amber and Katya's relationship isn't getting any better.   I
basically didn't see Amber for two days.  She didn't come out from
underneath the bed except to eat and use the litter box.   Now she
sleeps on the bathroom rug and not in my room because Katya is in there.
I put up the gate keep Katya in the living room to allow Amber time to
roam a bit, but she doesn't.  I'll put her in the kitchen and she'll see
Katya and immediately either run back into the bathroom or underneath
the bed.  It breaks my heart to see Amber like this and I miss my cat.
I'm sad on so many levels.  I don't think I can keep Katya... I just
don't know what to do anymore.   Kerry, I'll definitely give you a call
tonight.  Right now, I just keep crying.  I'm so heartbroken, but I
don't know what else to do. 
 
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Re: Acemannan availability

Dr. Nicholson at Veterinary Laboratories returned my call a moment ago.  The organization responsible for this audit is the USDA.  She gave me some contact numbers there and I am going to do my very best to be professional when I express to the USDA my displeasure with knowing that there are cats whose lives may have depended on this product while they took their time doing their audit.  Dr. Nicholson told me this one man who is in charge of the veterinary division may not even know about this but I assured her that he would after I spoke to him.

The mixture used in the injectible Acemannan (pronounced like it sounds - "Ace manan") is proprietary and so there is no generic and they have people from over seas calling everyday trying to get the product.  Right now, it simply isn't available.  Dr. Nicholson did not know why Acemannan Hydrogel is not subjected to the audit when it contains the same raw ingredients.  There is another lab right now that has an audit going on but the product being audited is not currently withheld from commerce.  The USDA has some questions to answer.

Meanwhile, I asked Dr. Nicholson if there was a human equivalent to Acemannan.  She told me that Manapol Plus (by Carrington Labs) is used for people.  It is taken orally rather than as an injection.  She was not sure if this product had been studied for use in cats but she thought it may have been.

I asked her if the USDA had given any indication of how long this audit would last - and she told me that the last she heard, they hoped to be through in November.

What I want to know is what gives the USDA the right to remove a proprietary product from the market that has been proven to save cat's lives?  Even if lives weren't at stake - what gives them the right to shut down this company's bottom line?  What if this were the only product they made?  This goes against everything our system stands for and I refuse to sit passively while this happens.  I'm wondering if I need to write my congressman.

Kiss the kitties for me,

elizabeth

*Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Acemannan availability

Elizabeth,

Thanks for doing this!!!  That is awesome of you to
take time to find out what's going on.  You are
helping out so many others by doing this-that's why I
like you!

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've been on the phone this morning with Veterinary
> Products Laboratories.  They were unable to answer
> my questions but say they will have someone call me.
>  I also left a message for the CEO of Carrington
> Labs (without a great deal of hope that they will
> return my call).  I did my best to be friendly and
> professional...here is a list of my questions (and
> general talking points):
>  
> I understand that the injectable form of veterinary
> Acemannan is being withheld from the market due to
> an audit of this product.  As a member of the
> felineleukemia.org mailing list, I would like to ask
> you some questions.  We have no commercial interests
> and only want to give our pets the best possible
> life.  Many of us have very sick cats with feline
> leukemia and would very much like to purchase your
> product.
>  
> 1) What organization is responsible for the
> unavailability of this product?  Do you have the
> name of a contact person for this organization?
>  
> 2) When was this audit instigated?
>  
> 3) It was my understanding that this is a
> routine audit â€“ yet this audit has been going on
> for well over a month.  This is the first I have
> heard of a routine audit that prohibits people who
> need the drug from purchasing it for such a long
> period of time.  How often does this happen and are
> there any other products which might suddenly become
> unavailable for long periods of time?
>  
> 4) I notice that wound dressings containing
> Acemannan Hydrogel are still available on the market
> â€“ how is it that the non-injectable form of the
> product is not affected by the audit?
>  
> 5) Is this product available outside the US?
>  
> 6) Is it possible to purchase the raw materials
> and formulate Acemannan for injection for personal
> use only?
>  
> 7) Where can I go for more information?
>  
> Thank you for your time.
>  
> I don't know where to go from here.  I'm thinking of
> contacting the FDA and asking them which
> organization instigated this audit and ask where I
> can go for more information.  If I find out anything
> further, I will let you all know.
>  
> elizabeth
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Acemannan availability
> 
> 
> Soon after they first began to withhold this product
> from the market, I called Veterinary Products Lab. 
> (Hideyo found out about this i

Re: Acemannan availability

2006-10-26 Thread wendy

Elizabeth,

Thanks for doing this!!!  That is awesome of you to
take time to find out what's going on.  You are
helping out so many others by doing this-that's why I
like you!

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've been on the phone this morning with Veterinary
> Products Laboratories.  They were unable to answer
> my questions but say they will have someone call me.
>  I also left a message for the CEO of Carrington
> Labs (without a great deal of hope that they will
> return my call).  I did my best to be friendly and
> professional...here is a list of my questions (and
> general talking points):
>  
> I understand that the injectable form of veterinary
> Acemannan is being withheld from the market due to
> an audit of this product.  As a member of the
> felineleukemia.org mailing list, I would like to ask
> you some questions.  We have no commercial interests
> and only want to give our pets the best possible
> life.  Many of us have very sick cats with feline
> leukemia and would very much like to purchase your
> product.
>  
> 1) What organization is responsible for the
> unavailability of this product?  Do you have the
> name of a contact person for this organization?
>  
> 2) When was this audit instigated?
>  
> 3) It was my understanding that this is a
> routine audit â yet this audit has been going on
> for well over a month.  This is the first I have
> heard of a routine audit that prohibits people who
> need the drug from purchasing it for such a long
> period of time.  How often does this happen and are
> there any other products which might suddenly become
> unavailable for long periods of time?
>  
> 4) I notice that wound dressings containing
> Acemannan Hydrogel are still available on the market
> â how is it that the non-injectable form of the
> product is not affected by the audit?
>  
> 5) Is this product available outside the US?
>  
> 6) Is it possible to purchase the raw materials
> and formulate Acemannan for injection for personal
> use only?
>  
> 7) Where can I go for more information?
>  
> Thank you for your time.
>  
> I don't know where to go from here.  I'm thinking of
> contacting the FDA and asking them which
> organization instigated this audit and ask where I
> can go for more information.  If I find out anything
> further, I will let you all know.
>  
> elizabeth
>  
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 6:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Acemannan availability
> 
> 
> Soon after they first began to withhold this product
> from the market, I called Veterinary Products Lab. 
> (Hideyo found out about this initially when she was
> trying to buy the product).  It was still available
> on their site then too.  That's when they told me
> about the audit.  At that time I searched for
> restrictions and found nothing as well.  They said
> this kind of audit was routine but I find that hard
> to believe since it has been withheld for so long.
>  
> elizabeth
>  
>  
> In a message dated 10/26/2006 6:12:37 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=&mainkey=&pid=80&key=8&cat=Wound%20Management
> 
> so the injectible is still on their current webpage,
> for what that's worth!
> 
> On 10/26/06, Paolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I dug in my old Emails about ACEMANNAN (please
> note the double N in the
> > spelling, if you use a search engine ACEMANAN
> won't work), and in effects
> > once I contacted Carrington Labs, and they
> redirected me to Veterinary
> > Products Laboratories (VPL, http://www.vpl.com),
> that unfortunately I
> > could not contact at that time because their mail
> server kept bouncing
> > back my emails.
> > From the info in my possession, injected Acemannan
> works great with a
> > number of *localized* (i.e. not spread) tumors.
> Carrington Labs, at that
> > time, did not mention any FDA restriction.
> >
> > Good luck
> > Paolo
> >
> >
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Samantha has feline leukemia

2006-10-26 Thread Nancy Schneider

The thing about Samantha is that she does eat the hard food and doesn't
seem to experience any discomfort when eating it.I believe she is
actually eating less because of the weight loss as I'm not home during
the day. I know what you mean when you say that you have to be happy
knowing you did your best. I used to beat myself up when I lost a cat
due to kidney failure last year. I had her for 15 years and I felt that
she took a part of my life with her when she passed. I felt that I
should have done more. Sometimes nothing you do can help. You have to
accept that fact and let go.
>>> Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/25/06 5:48 PM >>>
Nancy
  An average cat needs to eat about one 5.5 oz can of food each day..
If she is eating much less than that than that explains the weight
loss...
 
 FeLV is spread in the saliva so it is possible to spread by grooming
or food and water... It dies as soon as it dries out but if it is kept

moist ...
If the neg. cats are healthy and a year old or older they have a good
resistance to FeLV... It spreads among strays that are in run down
condition
and under the stress of being homeless...
It is very unpredictable and you have to be happy knowing that you gave
them
all the good life that you could within your means... It may be a good

long while
and they may be happy right up to the end and pass in their sleep or it

can be
a long illness and you may have to make the decision that you will have

to help
them to the Rainbow Bridge... This is a great group and we are all here

to help
each other with much experience and to be with you during the sad times
when
we are loosing one of our babies...
Tad

Nancy Schneider wrote:

>Hopefully you are right about the mixing. The vet stated that the
virus
>can be transmitted via food bowls. I don't see evidence of it in my
>household. I really hope and pray that your feelings about the
difficult
>transmission of the disease to other cats is accurate. I feel that it
is
>hard to transmit , because of the fact that the virus is very
sensitive
>outside the body. I have read this fact before.
>
>Nancy Schneider
>Management Analyst
>Dept of Transportation
>12544 Saticoy St
>N Hollywood 91605
>Voice(818) 756-9558
>Fax (818) 756-9245
>
>
>  
>
wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/25/06 1:32 PM >>>


>Hey Nancy,
>
>I want to clarify that although many of us feel that
>we are fairly safe mixing (especially since most of us
>had already exposed the other cats beforehand), there
>is not enough research on FeLV, so we don't really
>know how it is exactly transmitted, or how easily it
>is transmitted.  Most of us here though have seen
>patterns, and we don't believe it is easily passed via
>food, water, or litter boxes.  We do however feel that
>bites are a form of transmission.  The virus can only
>live seconds outside the body, exposed to air, so
>that's why we think it's really difficult to pass. 
>And even those that are exposed, in ways other than
>biting, usually throw off the virus if they are
>adults.  I just wanted to clarify so that you don't
>think we said it was ok to mix, and you come up with a
>positive test on one of your others later on.  We have
>just seen that it's very rare, unless there is biting.
>
>:)
>Wendy
>
>P.S.  I have family in LA (Studio City and Hollywood).
>
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Re: Acemannan availability

You are so welcome!  Interesting.  I just contacted the U.S. Food and Drug Administration Center for Veterinary Medicine and talked to a very nice lady there.  I told her the situation and the experience I had with VPL and Carrington Labs and told her that I didn't know if their office was the correct organization to contact for more information but hoped that if it wasn't they could direct me to the appropriate office.

The lady told me that she has worked for that office for over 10 years and has never heard of anything like that...that she has never heard of an audit that took a veterinary product off the market and that she seriously wonders if that is the truth.  She wrote down all the information and she is discussing this with others in the office.  I got the impression that they might think this is quite curious as well.

(i better get back to work before they fire me!  -- more info as it comes) 

elizabeth

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: Acemannan availability

Elizabeth, thank your for doing this.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Acemannan availability

I've been on the phone this morning with Veterinary Products Laboratories.  They were unable to answer my questions but say they will have someone call me.  I also left a message for the CEO of Carrington Labs (without a great deal of hope that they will return my call).  I did my best to be friendly and professional...here is a list of my questions (and general talking points):

I understand that the injectable form of veterinary Acemannan is being withheld from the market due to an audit of this product.  As a member of the felineleukemia.org mailing list, I would like to ask you some questions.  We have no commercial interests and only want to give our pets the best possible life.  Many of us have very sick cats with feline leukemia and would very much like to purchase your product.

1) What organization is responsible for the unavailability of this product?  Do you have the name of a contact person for this organization?

2) When was this audit instigated?

3) It was my understanding that this is a routine audit – yet this audit has been going on for well over a month.  This is the first I have heard of a routine audit that prohibits people who need the drug from purchasing it for such a long period of time.  How often does this happen and are there any other products which might suddenly become unavailable for long periods of time?

4) I notice that wound dressings containing Acemannan Hydrogel are still available on the market – how is it that the non-injectable form of the product is not affected by the audit?

5) Is this product available outside the US?

6) Is it possible to purchase the raw materials and formulate Acemannan for injection for personal use only?

7) Where can I go for more information?

Thank you for your time.

I don't know where to go from here.  I'm thinking of contacting the FDA and asking them which organization instigated this audit and ask where I can go for more information.  If I find out anything further, I will let you all know.

elizabeth

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Acemannan availability

Soon after they first began to withhold this product from the market, I called Veterinary Products Lab.  (Hideyo found out about this initially when she was trying to buy the product).  It was still available on their site then too.  That's when they told me about the audit.  At that time I searched for restrictions and found nothing as well.  They said this kind of audit was routine but I find that hard to believe since it has been withheld for so long.

elizabeth

In a message dated 10/26/2006 6:12:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=&mainkey=&pid=80&key=8&cat=Wound%20Management

so the injectible is still on their current webpage, for what that's worth!

On 10/26/06, Paolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dug in my old Emails about ACEMANNAN (please note the double N in the
> spelling, if you use a search engine ACEMANAN won't work), and in effects
> once I contacted Carrington Labs, and they redirected me to Veterinary
> Products Laboratories (VPL, http://www.vpl.com), that unfortunately I
> could not contact at that time because their mail server kept bouncing
> back my emails.
> From the info in my possession, injected Acemannan works great with a
> number of *localized* (i.e. not spre

DHEA









Does anyone know anything about DHEA – Dr. Addie
mentioned it being effective to use in stead of steroid.. what are the side
effects?

RE: Acemannan availability

Elizabeth, thank your for doing this.

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006
9:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Acemannan
availability

I've been on the phone this morning with Veterinary Products
Laboratories.  They were unable to answer my questions but say they will
have someone call me.  I also left a message for the CEO of Carrington
Labs (without a great deal of hope that they will return my call).  I did
my best to be friendly and professional...here is a list of my questions (and
general talking points):

I understand that the injectable form of veterinary
Acemannan is being withheld from the market due to an audit of this product. 
As a member of the felineleukemia.org mailing list, I would like to ask
you some questions.  We have no commercial interests and only want to give our
pets the best possible life.  Many of us have very sick cats with feline
leukemia and would very much like to purchase your product.

1) What organization is
responsible for the unavailability of this product?  Do you have the name of a
contact person for this organization?

2) When was this audit
instigated?

3) It was my understanding
that this is a routine audit – yet this audit has been going on for well
over a month.  This is the first I have heard of a routine audit that prohibits
people who need the drug from purchasing it for such a long period of time. 
How often does this happen and are there any other products which might
suddenly become unavailable for long periods of time?

4) I notice that wound
dressings containing Acemannan Hydrogel are still available on the market – how
is it that the non-injectable form of the product is not affected by the audit?

5) Is this product available
outside the US?

6) Is it possible to purchase
the raw materials and formulate Acemannan for injection for personal use only?

7) Where can I go for more
information?

Thank you for your time.

I don't know where to go from
here.  I'm thinking of contacting the FDA and asking them which
organization instigated this audit and ask where I can go for more
information.  If I find out anything further, I will let you all know.

elizabeth

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Acemannan availability

Soon after they first
began to withhold this product from the market, I called Veterinary Products
Lab.  (Hideyo found out about this initially when she was trying to
buy the product).  It was still available on their site then too. 
That's when they told me about the audit.  At that time I searched for
restrictions and found nothing as well.  They said this kind of audit was
routine but I find that hard to believe since it has been withheld for so long.

elizabeth

In a message dated
10/26/2006 6:12:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=&mainkey=&pid=80&key=8&cat=Wound%20Management

so the injectible is still on their current webpage, for what that's worth!

On 10/26/06, Paolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dug in my old Emails about ACEMANNAN (please note the double N in the
> spelling, if you use a search engine ACEMANAN won't work), and in effects
> once I contacted Carrington Labs, and they redirected me to Veterinary
> Products Laboratories (VPL, http://www.vpl.com), that unfortunately I
> could not contact at that time because their mail server kept bouncing
> back my emails.
> From the info in my possession, injected Acemannan works great with a
> number of *localized* (i.e. not spread) tumors. Carrington Labs, at that
> time, did not mention any FDA restriction.
>
> Good luck
> Paolo
>
>

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RE: Samantha & FORL

2006-10-26 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane

It's always hard when money *has* to be a consideration, but it sounds
like you're doing the right thing as needed.  Best of luck to you and
Samantha with the 3-toofies extraction.  I bet she feels at least
*better* right away.

Diane R. 

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Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Samantha & FORL

This vet definitely has experience with the disease. Eventually, I will
go to a vet dentist if whole mouth extraction is necessary. I just don't
have the money right now and the vet feels that the three teeth need to
be removed immediately.

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Re: Acemannan availability

I've been on the phone this morning with Veterinary Products Laboratories.  They were unable to answer my questions but say they will have someone call me.  I also left a message for the CEO of Carrington Labs (without a great deal of hope that they will return my call).  I did my best to be friendly and professional...here is a list of my questions (and general talking points):

I understand that the injectable form of veterinary Acemannan is being withheld from the market due to an audit of this product.  As a member of the felineleukemia.org mailing list, I would like to ask you some questions.  We have no commercial interests and only want to give our pets the best possible life.  Many of us have very sick cats with feline leukemia and would very much like to purchase your product.

1) What organization is responsible for the unavailability of this product?  Do you have the name of a contact person for this organization?

2) When was this audit instigated?

3) It was my understanding that this is a routine audit – yet this audit has been going on for well over a month.  This is the first I have heard of a routine audit that prohibits people who need the drug from purchasing it for such a long period of time.  How often does this happen and are there any other products which might suddenly become unavailable for long periods of time?

4) I notice that wound dressings containing Acemannan Hydrogel are still available on the market – how is it that the non-injectable form of the product is not affected by the audit?

5) Is this product available outside the US?

6) Is it possible to purchase the raw materials and formulate Acemannan for injection for personal use only?

7) Where can I go for more information?

Thank you for your time.

I don't know where to go from here.  I'm thinking of contacting the FDA and asking them which organization instigated this audit and ask where I can go for more information.  If I find out anything further, I will let you all know.

elizabeth

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Acemannan availability

Soon after they first began to withhold this product from the market, I called Veterinary Products Lab.  (Hideyo found out about this initially when she was trying to buy the product).  It was still available on their site then too.  That's when they told me about the audit.  At that time I searched for restrictions and found nothing as well.  They said this kind of audit was routine but I find that hard to believe since it has been withheld for so long.

elizabeth

In a message dated 10/26/2006 6:12:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=&mainkey=&pid=80&key=8&cat=Wound%20Management

so the injectible is still on their current webpage, for what that's worth!

On 10/26/06, Paolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dug in my old Emails about ACEMANNAN (please note the double N in the
> spelling, if you use a search engine ACEMANAN won't work), and in effects
> once I contacted Carrington Labs, and they redirected me to Veterinary
> Products Laboratories (VPL, http://www.vpl.com), that unfortunately I
> could not contact at that time because their mail server kept bouncing
> back my emails.
> From the info in my possession, injected Acemannan works great with a
> number of *localized* (i.e. not spread) tumors. Carrington Labs, at that
> time, did not mention any FDA restriction.
>
> Good luck
> Paolo
>
>

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Re: Samantha & FORL

2006-10-26 Thread Nancy Schneider

This vet definitely has experience with the disease. Eventually, I will
go to a vet dentist if whole mouth extraction is necessary. I just don't
have the money right now and the vet feels that the three teeth need to
be removed immediately.

Nancy Schneider
Management Analyst
Dept of Transportation
12544 Saticoy St
N Hollywood 91605
Voice(818) 756-9558
Fax (818) 756-9245


>>> Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/26/06 5:34 AM >>>
   Here is an article with photos, *some of the photos are graphic*, it

shows the different stages of the disease and what treatment is.  Ask 
your vet if he has ever treated a cat with this, it may be a good idea

to see a vet dentist if that is possible to make sure the roots are 
completely extracted.

http://www.dentalvet.com/Encyclopedia/P00352_SC01100.htm 

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Re: Samantha has feline leukemia

2006-10-26 Thread Nancy Schneider

Thank you so much for the article. It answers more questions than any
vet. The vet does suggest three tooth extractions although she said this
would buy the cat only 3 to 6 months. Eventually all the teeth will have
to be removed. The article mentioned irritability because of the mouth
pain. That is very accurate in Samantha 's case. She definitely is
irritible. I noticed that ever since I adopted her.

Nancy Schneider
Management Analyst
Dept of Transportation
12544 Saticoy St
N Hollywood 91605
Voice(818) 756-9558
Fax (818) 756-9245


>>> Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/26/06 5:22 AM >>>
 Nancy,
Here is an article on what your vet is saying your baby has:

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00066.htm 

If your vet is right and your kitty has FORL (Feline Odontoclastic 
Resorptive Lesions), it is a very painful disease and really needs to
be 
treated.  Here is a quote from this article

> Cats with immune system deficiency caused by infection with FIV or 
> FeLV often have chronic oral inflammation, although most cats with 
> FORL test negative for these two viruses.

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Samantha & FORL





   Here is an article with photos, some of the photos are graphic,
it shows the different stages of the disease and what treatment is. 
Ask your vet if he has ever treated a cat with this, it may be a good
idea to see a vet dentist if that is possible to make sure the roots
are completely extracted.

http://www.dentalvet.com/Encyclopedia/P00352_SC01100.htm
-- 

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]
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BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com

Re: Samantha has feline leukemia

PS.  It is imperative that the teeth roots are removed or the problem 
WILL NOT be taken care of.  I thought at one time there was a member of 
the group who had a kitty with this problem, it's been a while ago, I'm 
thinking it may have been Patti, not sure though.


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Re: Samantha has feline leukemia


Nancy,
   Here is an article on what your vet is saying your baby has:

http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00066.htm

If your vet is right and your kitty has FORL (Feline Odontoclastic 
Resorptive Lesions), it is a very painful disease and really needs to be 
treated.  Here is a quote from this article


Cats with immune system deficiency caused by infection with FIV or 
FeLV often have chronic oral inflammation, although most cats with 
FORL test negative for these two viruses.


--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design]
http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com

Re: Acemannan availability

2006-10-26 Thread ETrent






Soon after they first began to withhold this product from the market, I 
called Veterinary Products Lab.  (Hideyo found out about this 
initially when she was trying to buy the product).  It was still available 
on their site then too.  That's when they told me about the audit.  At 
that time I searched for restrictions and found nothing as well.  They said 
this kind of audit was routine but I find that hard to believe since it has been 
withheld for so long.
 
elizabeth
 
 
In a message dated 10/26/2006 6:12:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=&mainkey=&pid=80&key=8&cat=Wound%20Managementso 
  the injectible is still on their current webpage, for what that's 
  worth!On 10/26/06, Paolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I 
  dug in my old Emails about ACEMANNAN (please note the double N in the> 
  spelling, if you use a search engine ACEMANAN won't work), and in 
  effects> once I contacted Carrington Labs, and they redirected me to 
  Veterinary> Products Laboratories (VPL, http://www.vpl.com), that 
  unfortunately I> could not contact at that time because their mail 
  server kept bouncing> back my emails.> From the info in my 
  possession, injected Acemannan works great with a> number of 
  *localized* (i.e. not spread) tumors. Carrington Labs, at that> time, 
  did not mention any FDA restriction.>> Good luck> 
  Paolo>>-- Spay & Neuter Your 
  Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The 
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Re: Acemannan availability

2006-10-26 Thread TenHouseCats


http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=&mainkey=&pid=80&key=8&cat=Wound%20Management

so the injectible is still on their current webpage, for what that's worth!

On 10/26/06, Paolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I dug in my old Emails about ACEMANNAN (please note the double N in the
spelling, if you use a search engine ACEMANAN won't work), and in effects
once I contacted Carrington Labs, and they redirected me to Veterinary
Products Laboratories (VPL, http://www.vpl.com), that unfortunately I
could not contact at that time because their mail server kept bouncing
back my emails.
From the info in my possession, injected Acemannan works great with a
number of *localized* (i.e. not spread) tumors. Carrington Labs, at that
time, did not mention any FDA restriction.

Good luck
Paolo





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Acemannan availability

2006-10-26 Thread Paolo

I dug in my old Emails about ACEMANNAN (please note the double N in the
spelling, if you use a search engine ACEMANAN won't work), and in effects
once I contacted Carrington Labs, and they redirected me to Veterinary
Products Laboratories (VPL, http://www.vpl.com), that unfortunately I
could not contact at that time because their mail server kept bouncing
back my emails.
From the info in my possession, injected Acemannan works great with a
number of *localized* (i.e. not spread) tumors. Carrington Labs, at that
time, did not mention any FDA restriction.

Good luck
Paolo

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