Re: UPDATE:Dukee??
Terrie, How is Dukee doing this morning? I haven't been online for most of the weekend (old, slow, home computer). Kat (Mew Jersey)
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Title: Message Well said, Marylyn. So inappropriate of that tech. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarylynSent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with quality vs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 I feel the same way you do about doing everything in our power to aid a kitty that is so obviously fighting to stay. Whatever happens, you can at least know that you did this for Dukee. Where there is life there is hope! Praying with all that's in me for miracles,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Actually if a cat is already exposed to corona virus (not even FIP) at all --- it won't be effective at all -- and realistically, 75 to 95% of cats are already exposed to corona virus to certain degree.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Precious Pets, Almost Home Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 Terri: My several of my vets are against the FIP vaccine. One big problem with the vaccine is that if a cat has been exposed to FIP, the vaccine will bring it on! Also, the vaccine is only 50% effective. Even after living though a FIP out break and losing many cats, I am strongly against the using this vaccine. Precious Pets --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. > Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call > back. > Please pray for him and send him positive energy! > > "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not > make it. That I needed > to think quality verses quantity on him that I > should put the money on the > kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought > of that." > That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to > help others. > At this point I don't care! > I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart > is breaking and trying > to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to > do especially in the > public eye and at home. > > For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to > his link below under Pet > Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any > kitty being put under. > > Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to > stay alive this long. > I think the Tech realized what she says to me > doesn't make a damn to me and > to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed > but if not it will be > part of a learning lesson for those of us on the > list. I will get all records > and any information to help others. > The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube > inserting along with medicated > intravenous feeding. > They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm > not surprised I expected > it. > > Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP > vaccination? > I know my reputable breeder friends are against the > vaccination. > I would like your out take on this. > Thanks! > > > Terrie Mohr-Forker > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS > SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Donations accepted at: > _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) > > > _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ > (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) > > _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) > > _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ > > (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) > > > _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ > (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) > > _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ > (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) > > _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) > > > __ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta)
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Terri: My several of my vets are against the FIP vaccine. One big problem with the vaccine is that if a cat has been exposed to FIP, the vaccine will bring it on! Also, the vaccine is only 50% effective. Even after living though a FIP out break and losing many cats, I am strongly against the using this vaccine. Precious Pets --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. > Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call > back. > Please pray for him and send him positive energy! > > "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not > make it. That I needed > to think quality verses quantity on him that I > should put the money on the > kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought > of that." > That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to > help others. > At this point I don't care! > I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart > is breaking and trying > to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to > do especially in the > public eye and at home. > > For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to > his link below under Pet > Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any > kitty being put under. > > Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to > stay alive this long. > I think the Tech realized what she says to me > doesn't make a damn to me and > to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed > but if not it will be > part of a learning lesson for those of us on the > list. I will get all records > and any information to help others. > The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube > inserting along with medicated > intravenous feeding. > They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm > not surprised I expected > it. > > Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP > vaccination? > I know my reputable breeder friends are against the > vaccination. > I would like your out take on this. > Thanks! > > > Terrie Mohr-Forker > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS > SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Donations accepted at: > _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) > > > _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ > (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) > > _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) > > _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ > > (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) > > > _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ > (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) > > _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ > (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) > > _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) > > > __ Check out the New Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta)
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
If you have or can get a Snuggle Safe you have it made. It will stay warm 10-12 hours if it is covered with a towel--don't let the cat lay on it uncovered. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! Good is he on IV? Ask them to put him on heating pad whiels he is there their temperature often goes down (him being anemia and being on anesthesia makes temp go down even further) when my cats are at the emergency, I brought my own thermometer to check on temp of my cats as they sometimes dont do it timely manner and had to tell them to warm up the fluid for IV and give them a heading pad or warm water bottle.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:40 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:28:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie NO FIP vaccinations it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent so please dont do it I have said this before, but I will say this again you NEED to give him interferon every other day if you havent please do so right away this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee if he does have FIP and your vet does not know it so please do I cannot say this enough it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP feeding tube and IV is only supportive the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and thats why he is anemic FIP is auto immune disease I hope you will give him intereferon if you havent .. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- Hideyo
When I mean sitting on the phones. My cell and the home line. I'm using my daughter's phone line for online purposes. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- Hideyo
Yes he is on an IV...is being kept warm. Yes, Interferon is refrigerated. Please don't worry Hideyo! I'm a nervous wreck already...I have a headache and my eyes hurt. I'm online trying to occupy my time by playing some games but I'm spacing out. Also sitting on the phones practically. We need all positive energy and prayers sent Dukee's way! In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:44:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good – is he on IV? Ask them to put him on heating pad whiels he is there – their temperature often goes down (him being anemia and being on anesthesia makes temp go down even further) – when my cats are at the emergency, I brought my own thermometer to check on temp of my cats as they sometimes don’t do it timely manner and had to tell them to warm up the fluid for IV and give them a heading pad or warm water bottle.. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Terriie, also please make sure that interferon is being refridgerated.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! That's why I ask for some output on this from you guys. My breeder friends do not use it. I side with them on this. Because of reactions to the vaccination. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:40:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Good – is he on IV? Ask them to put him on heating pad whiels he is there – their temperature often goes down (him being anemia and being on anesthesia makes temp go down even further) – when my cats are at the emergency, I brought my own thermometer to check on temp of my cats as they sometimes don’t do it timely manner and had to tell them to warm up the fluid for IV and give them a heading pad or warm water bottle.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read! Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:28:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie – NO FIP vaccinations –it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent – so please don’t do it – I have said this before, but I will say this again – you NEED to give him interferon every other day – if you haven’t please do so right away – this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee – if he does have FIP – and your vet does not know it – so please do – I cannot say this enough – it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP – feeding tube and IV is only supportive –the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and that’s why he is anemic – FIP is auto immune disease – I hope you will give him intereferon if you haven’t .. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
That's why I ask for some output on this from you guys. My breeder friends do not use it. I side with them on this. Because of reactions to the vaccination. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:40:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Don't worry I'm not giving anyone the FIP vaccination that also means Dukee. Dukee is being treated as well with Interferon by the Vet. I signed the paper for them to give him this and other vital meds to further his treatment. In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:28:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terrie – NO FIP vaccinations –it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent – so please don’t do it – I have said this before, but I will say this again – you NEED to give him interferon every other day – if you haven’t please do so right away – this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee – if he does have FIP – and your vet does not know it – so please do – I cannot say this enough – it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP – feeding tube and IV is only supportive –the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and that’s why he is anemic – FIP is auto immune disease – I hope you will give him intereferon if you haven’t .. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06- terrie please read!
Terrie – NO FIP vaccinations –it could trigger the illness you are trying to prevent – so please don’t do it – I have said this before, but I will say this again – you NEED to give him interferon every other day – if you haven’t please do so right away – this is the only thing which has a chance of curing Dukee – if he does have FIP – and your vet does not know it – so please do – I cannot say this enough – it has saved lives of dying animals from FIP – feeding tube and IV is only supportive –the interferon I sent to you is anti-viral and will help stop replicating the virus --- please trust me on this .. and he will need predisolone to stop the inflammation and prevent further anemia as his own immune system is attacking his red blood cells and that’s why he is anemic – FIP is auto immune disease – I hope you will give him intereferon if you haven’t .. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
The worse part is the wait. :( My husband is praying for Dukee...he keeps asking me if the Vet has called. Because I have the phones at the other end of the house with me here in the computer room. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
In a message dated 10/28/2006 12:03:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope things are going well. Will you be able to check on Dukee this weekend? Will update A.S.A.P. on how he is doing. Yes, I will be able to. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
I'm sure she meant well...but it really wasn't appropriate for her to comment on the matter. elizabeth In a message dated 10/28/2006 1:37:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:29:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with quality vs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/ If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
That is very well said! Thank you I will certainly tell her my thoughts and to keep her opinions to herself if she says anything to me. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:58:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If someone has a sick child who needs very expensive medical care, would anyone tell them that the same amount of money could save 30 children dying of malaria in another country (which is probably true)? By her reasoning, no one should ever get expensive medical care for themselves, their kids, or their animals, because the same amount of money could always be used to buy simpler, cheaper life-saving care for other humans or animals in other places. There is of course logic to it. But love has its own logic, and the truth is that no matter what we do we can not save everyone. So it is good that the tech saves many animals over a few, in her own life, I guess. But it is nonsensical, as well as inappropriate and ineffective, for her to try to convince you to do the same. While she may save many, she obviously has never loved one in quite the way the way that we have, in a way that explodes logic and just creates a fierce need to protect them and maintain their life and happiness. If she tries to say anything to you again, tell her you have different priorities than her, and a lot of love for your individual animals. Michelle In a message dated 10/28/2006 2:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
If she voices an unwanted opinion again ask her how she would feel if she was the one dog. I do understand money but there have been times with my own vets' techs that I wanted silence or support whether they agreed or not. Even my vets offer opinions when they know I want them. I hope things are going well. Will you be able to check on Dukee this weekend? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:29:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with quality vs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
RE: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Hi Terrie, I am so sorry for all that you and Dukee are going through. I searched "vaccine" in the archives of the yahoo FIP list, below are some excerpts that may help you in your decision on vaccinating the others. It has been a little while ago for us, so can't recall all of our reasoning on it at the time, but we chose not to vaccinate ours after losing Ally. I think part of it was that we figured they had all been exposed anyway, although ultimately only Ally ended up with a positive titer at 1:100. The others may have been very low positive, Idexx labs only tested down to a 1:100 dilution. As I understand it, Cornell is the only place to test all the way to zero, giving a definite FCoV negative. I am picturing Dukee getting much stronger with the feeding tube, it seems to have helped so many others here. Take care, Beth This info is published on the Cornell University of Veterinary Medicine website:see http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/fip.htmlIn multiple cat environments, keeping cats as healthy as possible and minimizing exposure to infectious agents lessens the likelihood of cats' developing FIP. Preventing overcrowding, keeping cats current on vaccinations, providing proper nutrition and adequate sanitation, and eliminating feline leukemia virus infections can be helpful in reducing the incidence of FIP groups of cats.The first FIP vaccine (Primucell FIP by Pfizer Animal Health) was introduced in 1991. It is a temperature- sensitive, modified-live vaccine. The vaccine is licensed for intranasal vaccination of cats at 16 weeks of age, with boosters in 3 to 4 weeks, and then yearly. Once a cat is vaccinated, its serum may have a positive coronavirus antibody titer. This could be a problem for cattery owners who use serologic testing to maintain a coronavirus-free population. The vaccine appears to be safe, but various studies have yielded different estimates of vaccine efficacy. The role that Primucell FIP will ultimately play in protecting cats from FIP is not yet known; for the time being, discussions with your veterinarian should help you decide if your cat should be vaccinated. Dr. Addie What is Primucell?Primucell, made by Pfizer, is the only commercially available FIP vaccine in the world. Primucell is a temperature-sensitive mutant feline coronavirus which is instilled intra-nasally and gives rise to local IgA immunity and cell-mediated immunity. Primucell prevents FIP in 50-75% of cats who would have otherwise developed it, but is ineffective in cats previously exposed to FCoV. Thus, in households where FCoV is endemic (most cat breeder's households) Primucell has to be used in kittens which have already undergone the special management procedure known as early weaning and isolation, so that they are FCoV free when vaccinated.
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
If someone has a sick child who needs very expensive medical care, would anyone tell them that the same amount of money could save 30 children dying of malaria in another country (which is probably true)? By her reasoning, no one should ever get expensive medical care for themselves, their kids, or their animals, because the same amount of money could always be used to buy simpler, cheaper life-saving care for other humans or animals in other places. There is of course logic to it. But love has its own logic, and the truth is that no matter what we do we can not save everyone. So it is good that the tech saves many animals over a few, in her own life, I guess. But it is nonsensical, as well as inappropriate and ineffective, for her to try to convince you to do the same. While she may save many, she obviously has never loved one in quite the way the way that we have, in a way that explodes logic and just creates a fierce need to protect them and maintain their life and happiness. If she tries to say anything to you again, tell her you have different priorities than her, and a lot of love for your individual animals. Michelle In a message dated 10/28/2006 2:37:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either.
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Don't you hate when they do that??? Like we all don't know how much things cost, and decisions have to be made. I wish they'd give us some credit for brains. Our thoughts and prayers are with you both. May God bless you and Dukee, Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. > Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call > back. > Please pray for him and send him positive energy! > > "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not > make it. That I needed > to think quality verses quantity on him that I > should put the money on the > kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought > of that." > That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to > help others. > At this point I don't care! > I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart > is breaking and trying > to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to > do especially in the > public eye and at home. > > For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to > his link below under Pet > Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any > kitty being put under. > > Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to > stay alive this long. > I think the Tech realized what she says to me > doesn't make a damn to me and > to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed > but if not it will be > part of a learning lesson for those of us on the > list. I will get all records > and any information to help others. > The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube > inserting along with medicated > intravenous feeding. > They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm > not surprised I expected > it. > > Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP > vaccination? > I know my reputable breeder friends are against the > vaccination. > I would like your out take on this. > Thanks! > > > Terrie Mohr-Forker > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS > SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE > Donations accepted at: > _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) > > > _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ > (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) > > _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) > > _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ > > (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) > > > _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ > (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) > > _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ > (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) > > _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) > > > "When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God" Mosiah 2:17 We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com)
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
I think why she said this because I had you guys and my family trying to help Dukee. I told her that he deserves a chance...and why not try! She told me that she does dog rescue she mentioned she would help 4 dogs verses the one dog. Think she knew I wasn't going to listen to her thoughts and opinions on this. Nope, didn't ask her either. In a message dated 10/28/2006 11:29:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with quality vs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
The tech had no business discussing where your money goes. And, unless you asked, no business with quality vs quantity. You are doing what you think is best for Dukee and he loves you for that. There is no reason to try to keep from crying. It is an honest _expression_ of love and concern. To put it bluntly, screw what anyone thinks negatively about it. Be very gentle with yourself and your family. I know how rough this is from my own experiences. Be gentle. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06 I feel the same way you do about doing everything in our power to aid a kitty that is so obviously fighting to stay. Whatever happens, you can at least know that you did this for Dukee. Where there is life there is hope! Praying with all that's in me for miracles,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
I feel the same way you do about doing everything in our power to aid a kitty that is so obviously fighting to stay. Whatever happens, you can at least know that you did this for Dukee. Where there is life there is hope! Praying with all that's in me for miracles, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/
UPDATE:Dukee 10/28/06
Dukee is at the clinic as we speak. Believe me I rushed him A.S.A.P. when I got the call back. Please pray for him and send him positive energy! "I had one of the Techs tell me also that he may not make it. That I needed to think quality verses quantity on him that I should put the money on the kitties that may need it. I told her we had thought of that." That is he does have FIP at least we are trying to help others. At this point I don't care! I'm having a hard time to compose my self. My heart is breaking and trying to keep from crying is one of the hardest things to do especially in the public eye and at home. For those of you that don't know about my Taz go to his link below under Pet Memorial. You will see why I'm skiddish about any kitty being put under. Dukee deserves this since he has been fighting to stay alive this long. I think the Tech realized what she says to me doesn't make a damn to me and to you guys. If he does make it I will be overjoyed but if not it will be part of a learning lesson for those of us on the list. I will get all records and any information to help others. The Veterinarian will do a panel and the tube inserting along with medicated intravenous feeding. They will keep Dukee over the weekend in which I'm not surprised I expected it. Can you guys tell me how you feel on the FIP vaccination? I know my reputable breeder friends are against the vaccination. I would like your out take on this. Thanks! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee
In the past I had seen this in my other kitties that were getting ready to leave. But Dukee continues to fight this battle. In a message dated 10/28/2006 8:09:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terrie,I've just been reading the updates. I'm so thrilled to hear that Dukee is still with you. From what you were posting the other night it seemed like he had only moments left with you. Now you have the chance to nudge a miracle along. We all support whatever decisions that you, your husband and Dukee pursue. Please keep us informed as best you can. Many blessings and prayers to see you through this,NinaOkay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group. God Bless You! My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a long discussion. If all goes well he will have it done in the morning. I have high hopes that he does well...I'm praying anyway. I do have to admit I'm a little skiddish putting a kitty under even though it won't be for long. Because of what happen to Taz. Thank you all for your support on this it means a lot to me! Now, I gotta get some much needed rest and check on Dukee! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
Re: UPDATE:Dukee
Hi Terrie, I've just been reading the updates. I'm so thrilled to hear that Dukee is still with you. From what you were posting the other night it seemed like he had only moments left with you. Now you have the chance to nudge a miracle along. We all support whatever decisions that you, your husband and Dukee pursue. Please keep us informed as best you can. Many blessings and prayers to see you through this, Nina Okay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group. God Bless You! My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a long discussion. If all goes well he will have it done in the morning. I have high hopes that he does well...I'm praying anyway. I do have to admit I'm a little skiddish putting a kitty under even though it won't be for long. Because of what happen to Taz. Thank you all for your support on this it means a lot to me! Now, I gotta get some much needed rest and check on Dukee!
Re: UPDATE:Dukee
May all the angels watch after Dukee and your family tomorrow/today. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: UPDATE:Dukee Okay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group. God Bless You! My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a long discussion. If all goes well he will have it done in the morning. I have high hopes that he does well...I'm praying anyway. I do have to admit I'm a little skiddish putting a kitty under even though it won't be for long. Because of what happen to Taz. Thank you all for your support on this it means a lot to me! Now, I gotta get some much needed rest and check on Dukee! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
UPDATE:Dukee
Okay, I have decided to go forward and have the tube put in Dukee of course with help from a "Good Hearted Member" of this group. God Bless You! My husband stated that he deserves the chance after we had a long discussion. If all goes well he will have it done in the morning. I have high hopes that he does well...I'm praying anyway. I do have to admit I'm a little skiddish putting a kitty under even though it won't be for long. Because of what happen to Taz. Thank you all for your support on this it means a lot to me! Now, I gotta get some much needed rest and check on Dukee! Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEDonations accepted at:https://www.paypal.com/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://www.petloss.com/
