Re: [Finale] 10 short movements: one file or several?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Thanks to everyone for recommending a single score for all the movements.
It was much easier to deal with, including the edits, additions, etc. Went
beautifully, turned out 108 pages. Got it done about 10 minutes ago, and
it's due in 6 hours. So I even get some sleep tonight! Then I have to
proofread before sending the PDFs, and do the parts on Tuesday, since
rehearsals start Wednesday.

Thanks again,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] 10 short movements: one file or several?

[Mark D Lew]

On Apr 17, 2005, at 12:28 AM, d. collins wrote:
I also do mostly vocal music for several voices, with or without 
instruments, but still prefer, for a 5-movement 4-voice mass, for 
instance, one file for the whole work. I agree that that means 
scrolling a lot in the edit lyrics box, but you can always insert a 
blank line or two between the movements to locate things easier. But 
the advantages largely outweigh this minor inconvenience - especially 
when printing the whole thing as a booklet or extracting parts.
When I have a large choral piece with many sections, I take advantage 
of Finale's super-abundant supply of "verses".  I've gone up to 20 or 
so "verses" at times.  The software allows for many more.

This makes it a lot easier to find things later, as well as to control 
them.  If things are complicated, I keep a simple text-file list of 
what's where.  Some users, I know, accomplish the same thing by putting 
comments in the lyric text windows directly.

mdl
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Re: [Finale] Clip Files

[Chuck Israels]

Chris,

You remember all the discussion on the new 2005 copying behavior?  You are describing some of the effects that go with whatever (sorry, but to me, cockamamie) changes were made to the earlier protocols.  I have begged for this to be modified so that we'd have the control we need.  There's been enough response from MM to encourage me to hope some of this will be reorganized/resolved in 2006.  (Real assertive sentence, that one!)

I guess having the same control over the copy menu in both drag and drop, and copy and paste, with separately saved, and "metatoolable" settings, would be pretty nice.  Do you think?

Chuck



On Apr 17, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:

On Apr 17, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Don Hart wrote:
Christopher, I haven't noticed the copying problems you're talking about,
but maybe I'm not trying to move around exactly the same combination of
things you are.

I did notice yesterday that my "Top of score, all parts" staff list had been
duplicated a number of times on a chart I just finished.  Each iteration of
the list had a sequential number added to its name.

Aha! Now, go to that score, and drag one of the rehearsal marks away an inch or so. Is there a duplicate underneath it? I'll bet there is one for each sequential number added to your staff lists. If it doesn't happen for one rehearsal mark, try another. This effect makes them hard to edit the positioning, as I'm sure you can imagine.


On that job I was
adding full orchestra to a string arrangement I had done a while back, and
had just dumped the existing strings into the new score.  I just checked,
and the original (strings only) file *did not* have the duplicated staff
lists.  I don't know exactly when the additional staff lists were added.


I'll bet I know when. Let's say you have a rehearsal mark starting measure 8, violin 1 in the score (set to show on all parts when extracted, as you said.) Try this in a copy of your old score, that has no duplicate staff lists.

Go to measure 8, and with the mass mover drag violin 1, measure 8 down to violin 2 to copy it. Does violin 2 suddenly have a rehearsal mark that it didn't before? And when you check the staff lists, do you have one called "Rehearsal Marks 2?"

But here is the insidious one. Drag measure 8 viola to the cello staff (neither one had, or should have now, a rehearsal mark showing.) Now try dragging the Violin 1 measure 8 rehearsal mark a short distance. Is it duplicated? And do you have yet ANOTHER staff list called Rehearsal Marks 3?

Now the weird part is, I use a combination of copy-and-paste and drag-and-drop. I understood in previous versions of Finale how these two methods differed in function, and took advantage of it to copy what I wanted only. Now, I can't figure out when I set Mass Edit to only copy certain items whether that applies to copy-and-paste or drag-and-drop, or both, or neither in the case of staff expressions? Maybe I just forgot and reverted to my old behaviour, but I can't figure it out.

Christopher


on 4/17/05 3:59 PM, Christopher Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


P.S., on a related note, I am having a very devil of a time with a
score I am working on. I seem to get my rehearsal letters and tempo
markings (staff expressions) copying all over the frigging place
because of the new Copy behaviour, and I can't seem to figure out how
to stop it. I go into the Staff Lists dialogue box from time to time to
delete the duplicate staff lists that keep replicating like Tribbles,
which takes care of much of it. I have the Mass Edit set to copy only
measure-attached Smart Shapes and the usual array of Entry items, but I
can't seem to work out the rhyme or reason to why these settings aren't
taking care of business the way they should.



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Re: [Finale] Tempo Tool Playback

[Christopher Smith]

David,
I can't advise you about the Tempo Tool (I never use it), but I can 
tell you I have seen all kinds of weirdness cropping up from old files 
that I try to re-use as templates. I suspect that it has to do with 
imperfections in the conversion routine for older files. I have noticed 
it much less on files from 2003 or later, but quite a bit on the 
earliest files I have, which are 3.2.

Part of the reason I don't see it much any more is that I re-create my 
template pretty much every time a new version of Finale comes out, 
starting from about 2002, because I want to avoid the corruption I've 
seen so many times (and also to take advantage of the new settings that 
are included in more recent versions' default files!) Plus the 
conversion routines might be better with more recent files, but I have 
no certain knowledge of that.

The file overwrite bug, for example, has only happened to me when I was 
editing a file that was started in a previous version. I get measures 
of slash notation (with nothing else in the measure, nothing hidden!) 
that space unevenly. I get staves that don't play back. I get swing 
playback that I am unable to turn off in any tool. I get staff styles 
that I can't erase. I get expressions (particularly repeat tool 
expressions) that bounce all over the place. And as for lyrics, well, 
the less said the better. So I only use old files when I have to.

Sorry I can't help more.
Christopher
On Apr 17, 2005, at 8:18 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Can anyone give me advice on exactly why tempo tool playback might
not work in a body of files that were created from the same template
(an old file, probably stemming all the way back to WinFin 2.01,
converted to 3.52 then to 97 then to 2K3)? I've already imported
standard WinFin2K3 document settings.
I've got other files that I *thought* were from the same template
where my tempo tool changes are honored, and in comparing various
settings between the files where it works and the files where it
doesn't, I simply can't see one darned thing that is different.
Any ideas why it wouldn't work when I've inserted the necessary "play
tempo tool changes" expression in the beginning of the piece?
[of course, the idea that you have to tell Finale to actually *use*
data you've put in with one of its tools is frustrating enough. Yes,
I understand that you do need the ability to turn it *off*, but seems
to me the default should be *on*, without you needing to do anything.
That puzzled me for years to the point that I just didn't use the
tempo tool at all, but now that I know that I have to jump through a
really stupid hoop in order to have it work, I *still* haven't had
much luck. End of rant.]
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Re: [Finale] Clip Files

[Christopher Smith]

On Apr 17, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Don Hart wrote:
Christopher, I haven't noticed the copying problems you're talking 
about,
but maybe I'm not trying to move around exactly the same combination of
things you are.

I did notice yesterday that my "Top of score, all parts" staff list 
had been
duplicated a number of times on a chart I just finished.  Each 
iteration of
the list had a sequential number added to its name.
Aha! Now, go to that score, and drag one of the rehearsal marks away an 
inch or so. Is there a duplicate underneath it? I'll bet there is one 
for each sequential number added to your staff lists. If it doesn't 
happen for one rehearsal mark, try another. This effect makes them hard 
to edit the positioning, as I'm sure you can imagine.


On that job I was
adding full orchestra to a string arrangement I had done a while back, 
and
had just dumped the existing strings into the new score.  I just 
checked,
and the original (strings only) file *did not* have the duplicated 
staff
lists.  I don't know exactly when the additional staff lists were 
added.

I'll bet I know when. Let's say you have a rehearsal mark starting 
measure 8, violin 1 in the score (set to show on all parts when 
extracted, as you said.) Try this in a copy of your old score, that has 
no duplicate staff lists.

Go to measure 8, and with the mass mover drag violin 1, measure 8 down 
to violin 2 to copy it. Does violin 2 suddenly have a rehearsal mark 
that it didn't before? And when you check the staff lists, do you have 
one called "Rehearsal Marks 2?"

But here is the insidious one. Drag measure 8 viola to the cello staff 
(neither one had, or should have now, a rehearsal mark showing.) Now 
try dragging the Violin 1 measure 8 rehearsal mark a short distance. Is 
it duplicated? And do you have yet ANOTHER staff list called Rehearsal 
Marks 3?

Now the weird part is, I use a combination of copy-and-paste and 
drag-and-drop. I understood in previous versions of Finale how these 
two methods differed in function, and took advantage of it to copy what 
I wanted only. Now, I can't figure out when I set Mass Edit to only 
copy certain items whether that applies to copy-and-paste or 
drag-and-drop, or both, or neither in the case of staff expressions? 
Maybe I just forgot and reverted to my old behaviour, but I can't 
figure it out.

Christopher

on 4/17/05 3:59 PM, Christopher Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

P.S., on a related note, I am having a very devil of a time with a
score I am working on. I seem to get my rehearsal letters and tempo
markings (staff expressions) copying all over the frigging place
because of the new Copy behaviour, and I can't seem to figure out how
to stop it. I go into the Staff Lists dialogue box from time to time 
to
delete the duplicate staff lists that keep replicating like Tribbles,
which takes care of much of it. I have the Mass Edit set to copy only
measure-attached Smart Shapes and the usual array of Entry items, but 
I
can't seem to work out the rhyme or reason to why these settings 
aren't
taking care of business the way they should.


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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 21, Issue 19

[Paul Besco]

A good thing to do when weirdness happens is to start up from your 
system install disk and run Disk Utility program to Repair Disk and 
Repair Permissions. These various software utilities can only do so 
much without working from outside the operating system. Do this 
regularly.
Paul Besco, Rags & Design
Sonoma California

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[Finale] Tempo Tool Playback

[David W. Fenton]

Can anyone give me advice on exactly why tempo tool playback might 
not work in a body of files that were created from the same template 
(an old file, probably stemming all the way back to WinFin 2.01, 
converted to 3.52 then to 97 then to 2K3)? I've already imported 
standard WinFin2K3 document settings.

I've got other files that I *thought* were from the same template 
where my tempo tool changes are honored, and in comparing various 
settings between the files where it works and the files where it 
doesn't, I simply can't see one darned thing that is different.

Any ideas why it wouldn't work when I've inserted the necessary "play 
tempo tool changes" expression in the beginning of the piece?

[of course, the idea that you have to tell Finale to actually *use* 
data you've put in with one of its tools is frustrating enough. Yes, 
I understand that you do need the ability to turn it *off*, but seems 
to me the default should be *on*, without you needing to do anything. 
That puzzled me for years to the point that I just didn't use the 
tempo tool at all, but now that I know that I have to jump through a 
really stupid hoop in order to have it work, I *still* haven't had 
much luck. End of rant.]

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Re: [Finale] Clip Files

[Don Hart]

The process of making and distributing clip files still works for me if I
choose the command from the edit menu, but for some reason I can't seem to
get the keyboard shortcuts to work.  I haven't spent a lot of time on this
yet so I'm not sure if the problem lies with me or Finale.

Anyone also had this happen?

Christopher, I haven't noticed the copying problems you're talking about,
but maybe I'm not trying to move around exactly the same combination of
things you are.  

I did notice yesterday that my "Top of score, all parts" staff list had been
duplicated a number of times on a chart I just finished.  Each iteration of
the list had a sequential number added to its name.  On that job I was
adding full orchestra to a string arrangement I had done a while back, and
had just dumped the existing strings into the new score.  I just checked,
and the original (strings only) file *did not* have the duplicated staff
lists.  I don't know exactly when the additional staff lists were added.

I'll be glad to do what I can to trouble shoot this with you.  I have one
more arrangement to do where I am, again, adding to existing strings and
will keep an eye out for the origin of this behavior.

Don Hart



on 4/17/05 3:59 PM, Christopher Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> 
> On Apr 17, 2005, at 4:12 PM, RegoR wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:21:58 -0500, Robert Patterson
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone know if it is still possible to use clip files? I've
>>> forgotten how to do it. The reason I want to try is that copy music
>>> to the clipboard is quite buggy when it comes to staff styles and
>>> articulations based on shapes.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On PC 2005K it still is  from the edit menu.
>> 
>> I still dont quite understand the difference... Ctrl+C is copy, but
>> when you access the copy button from the edit menu you get > clip file>
>> 
> 
> On Mac that would be opt-cmd-C to copy. Paste predictably enough is
> opt-cmd-v. Insert you would have to choose from the Edit menu while
> holding down the opt key.
> 
> For Gregory, clip files contain info that doesn't copy to the
> clipboard, like clefs, key signatures, time signatures, and some other
> stuff. Formerly, staff-assigned expressions and their staff list
> associations didn't copy either, but all that seems to be screwed up
> now. I haven't worked out exactly how to work around this new
> behaviour.
> 
> Christopher
> 
> P.S., on a related note, I am having a very devil of a time with a
> score I am working on. I seem to get my rehearsal letters and tempo
> markings (staff expressions) copying all over the frigging place
> because of the new Copy behaviour, and I can't seem to figure out how
> to stop it. I go into the Staff Lists dialogue box from time to time to
> delete the duplicate staff lists that keep replicating like Tribbles,
> which takes care of much of it. I have the Mass Edit set to copy only
> measure-attached Smart Shapes and the usual array of Entry items, but I
> can't seem to work out the rhyme or reason to why these settings aren't
> taking care of business the way they should.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

[Christopher Smith]

On Apr 17, 2005, at 4:33 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 17 Apr 2005 at 11:43, Andrew Stiller wrote:
With a concert-pitch score, the copyist will need to exercise more
initiative than usual in deciding clef change issues, because quite
obviously instruments with big transpositions will have parts that lie
entirely differently on the staff in the part than in the score.
I don't quite understand the distinction between "engraver" and
"copyist" inherent in your discussion.
In these days of Finale, isn't the engraver of the score the same as
the "copyist" of the parts? Is it not the case that the engraver of
both then has to act as editor and create parts that are most likely
to produce the best performance with the least amount of confusion?
Why shouldn't the conductor get the same consideration as the
performers?
Well, you see, I agree with your point! We hammered out concert vs. 
transposed scores on this list a few months (years?) ago, and I still 
harbour the feeling that there will never be any confusion if the score 
matches the parts in all ways, including clefs and transpositions. But 
some feel that the score should be optimised in the way that the 
conductor will understand it best, even if some things are different. 
I'm holding back on a final judgement on that question...

But Andrew's point was, I think, that all decisions , even small ones 
relating to clefs, are supposed to rest in the hands of the composer, 
(with the input of the editor) who is supposed to be an authority on 
effective communication with the musicians through the score; whereas 
the copyist/engraver is supposed to mold himself to the composer's 
wishes. It's just that in the real world often there is no editor, so 
the copyist/engraver has to be editor as well.

I would actually welcome advice given from an editor or a copyist, as 
they have seen way more scores than I have and probably have a more 
critical eye with regards to notation details. On the occasions I have 
used a copyist, the questions he asked clarified things in my mind that 
I hadn't been aware of before, like exactly where I wanted hairpins to 
start and end, along with ending dynamics to a hairpin, and exactly 
where text had to be associated, and whether a more economical piece of 
text he came up with could replace my more wordy one. I wish I was 
always working in a team like that; it would make us both stronger.

I guess this list takes the place of day-to-day interaction with 
colleagues in my musical life. At least, as regards notation...

Christopher
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Re: [Finale] Clip Files

[Christopher Smith]

On Apr 17, 2005, at 4:12 PM, RegoR wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:21:58 -0500, Robert Patterson 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone know if it is still possible to use clip files? I've 
forgotten how to do it. The reason I want to try is that copy music 
to the clipboard is quite buggy when it comes to staff styles and 
articulations based on shapes.


On PC 2005K it still is  from the edit menu.
I still dont quite understand the difference... Ctrl+C is copy, but 
when you access the copy button from the edit menu you get 

On Mac that would be opt-cmd-C to copy. Paste predictably enough is 
opt-cmd-v. Insert you would have to choose from the Edit menu while 
holding down the opt key.

For Gregory, clip files contain info that doesn't copy to the 
clipboard, like clefs, key signatures, time signatures, and some other 
stuff. Formerly, staff-assigned expressions and their staff list 
associations didn't copy either, but all that seems to be screwed up 
now. I haven't worked out exactly how to work around this new 
behaviour.

Christopher
P.S., on a related note, I am having a very devil of a time with a 
score I am working on. I seem to get my rehearsal letters and tempo 
markings (staff expressions) copying all over the frigging place 
because of the new Copy behaviour, and I can't seem to figure out how 
to stop it. I go into the Staff Lists dialogue box from time to time to 
delete the duplicate staff lists that keep replicating like Tribbles, 
which takes care of much of it. I have the Mass Edit set to copy only 
measure-attached Smart Shapes and the usual array of Entry items, but I 
can't seem to work out the rhyme or reason to why these settings aren't 
taking care of business the way they should.

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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[A-NO-NE Music]

David W. Fenton / 05.4.17 / 04:21 PM wrote:

>One thing I *will* differ with is Dennis's reference to "monitoring 
>your attachments folder." That clearly shows that he's using Eudora, 
>which is the only email client I know of that decodes attachments and 
>stores them in the file system upon arrival of email. I consider this 
>to be a *very* bad design flaw in Eudora, as anyone can accidentally 
>execute malicious payloads that are stored in the file system, which 
>could never happen with an email client that doesn't decode the 
>attachments until requested.

I actually view from an opposite side.  I don't like attachment is
encoded within mail database.  It leads database to be much easier to
corrupt, and backing up becomes difficult because of its size.

I don't use Eudora but I considered it because of this feature.  Too bad
Eudora Unicode implementation is plain terrible.  I use PowerMail.  I
still believe there is no way an attachment executes by itself at decode
on Mac side :-)

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- Hiro

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Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Apr 2005 at 11:43, Andrew Stiller wrote:

> With a concert-pitch score, the copyist will need to exercise more
> initiative than usual in deciding clef change issues, because quite
> obviously instruments with big transpositions will have parts that lie
> entirely differently on the staff in the part than in the score.

I don't quite understand the distinction between "engraver" and 
"copyist" inherent in your discussion.

In these days of Finale, isn't the engraver of the score the same as 
the "copyist" of the parts? Is it not the case that the engraver of 
both then has to act as editor and create parts that are most likely 
to produce the best performance with the least amount of confusion? 
Why shouldn't the conductor get the same consideration as the 
performers?

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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Apr 2005 at 10:25, dhbailey wrote:

> Lawrence David Eden wrote:
> > I wrote to the head of the computer sciences center at University of
> > Maryland to get his opinion as to what machine to buy.  Some of you
> > may be interested in his reply:
> > 
> > "Why on earth would you want to subject her to the horrors that
> > Windows-using students are subjected to here?  I spend almost all my
> > time trying to help them recover from Internet attacks, and more and
> > more of them are having to reformat their hard drives and reinstall
> > the operating system (which leaves them no less susceptible to
> > repeat performances unless they take the mass of security steps that
> > I almost never have time to go over with them in detail.
> > 
> > Unless she HAS to get a PC (and I can't think of a single reason why
> > a freshman would be that committed to one of the departments that
> > requires them) she ought to get a Mac.  Period."
> > 
> > As a Mac user, (Macher) I don't have to deal with the virus issue. 
> > How do PC mavens protect themselves from the deluge of attacks on
> > their OS?
> 
> Install an antivirus program and that's that.

Yes, but I'll admit that I find the way the commercial AV providers 
handles subscriptions to be less than ideal. Symantec, for instance, 
makes no provision for renewing your AV subscription unless you're 
running as an administrator (this is a design choice on their part 
that makes no sense whatsoever). But they also provide no clear way 
to run the renewal process except by occasionally prompting you when 
you log on. If you properly run your computer on a daily basis as a 
user-level logon, then you'll see the notification but never be able 
to actually complete the process. 

It's more than 5 years since Win2K was introduced and Symantec still 
hasn't adjusted.

I would definitely look at AVG, the free AV software, since you don't 
have to pay subscriptions, and, so far as I can tell, it's just as 
effective as Symantec or Mcafee or Trend Micro.

> As well as follow some sound computing practices, such as never
> opening attachments you haven't solicited, even when they appear to
> come from friends or relatives.

Well, also things like:

1. never use a Microsoft EMail client (no Outlook, no Outlook 
Express). Thunderbird, Eudora and Pegasus Mail are all very fine free 
alternatives.

2. never use Internet Explorer as a web browser. Firefox or Mozilla 
are far superior web browsers and lack the integration into the OS 
that makes IE dangerous to use. And they aren't vulnerable to all the 
spyware that are so easy to accidentally install into IE (only IE 
supports ActiveX controls, which is how most of these exploits work).

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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Apr 2005 at 9:20, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

> Macs have a psychological advantage in that there's little interest in
> writing malware for them -- you don't get cred for if you don't have
> widespread impact. With Windows on most of the world's desktops, all
> hell can break loose, with instant glory for script kiddies and lots
> of money to be made for the unscrupulous data hacker.

Well, while I agree with your basic point, I have to say that the 
advantage Mac users enjoy now that OS X is the default OS is more 
than just psychological. OS X is configured with defaults that make 
it safer out of the box than Windows.

Windows could be just as impervious to a number of exploits as OS X 
if Microsoft only shipped it that way. But MS chose not to do so, and 
shows no signs of changing their stupid ways.

The good news is that it's very easy to keep safe on Windows, as 
Dennis outlined. It sounds like a lot, but it's really not, as it's 
the kind of thing you set up and then completely forget about.

One thing I *will* differ with is Dennis's reference to "monitoring 
your attachments folder." That clearly shows that he's using Eudora, 
which is the only email client I know of that decodes attachments and 
stores them in the file system upon arrival of email. I consider this 
to be a *very* bad design flaw in Eudora, as anyone can accidentally 
execute malicious payloads that are stored in the file system, which 
could never happen with an email client that doesn't decode the 
attachments until requested.

An example:

I get 200 or so spam messages a day, of which 20 or more have 
malicious executable payloads (some days it's more, some days, less). 
My email client (Pegasus Mail), simply files them in my SPAM folder, 
where I review them to catch any false positives and then file them 
for scanning by SpamAssassin (to further train my spam filter, 
something I do only once ever couple of weeks). The attachments never 
get executed because I never open any of these email messages. And 
even if I *did* open them, I'd have to explicitly request that the 
attachments be executed -- they won't be decoded until that point.

With Eudora, all 20 of those payloads will be decoded into executable 
form and dropped in the designated attachments folder, where the 
unknowing user may accidentally execute them. I've had clients do it, 
so I know exactly what can happen. With one client, I've forbidden 
her from even looking at the attachments folder and I periodically 
prune it for her.

The fact that it's saved in the file system means that you've got to 
make a second copy if you want to store a legitimate attachment 
somewhere else on your system. Or, you have to use Windows Explorer 
to move it. That involves dragging and dropping, or clicking on the 
executable at least once, and sometimes non-swift mouse users 
doubleclick.

I think it's an extremely poor design and it's one of the main 
reasons I've directed my clients away from Eudora in the last few 
years. If there were some advantage to it, I might think differently, 
but I can see no benefit at all from having all attachments decoded 
automatically and saved in the file system, whether you need them or 
not.

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Re: [Finale] Clip Files

[RegoR]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:21:58 -0500, Robert Patterson  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone know if it is still possible to use clip files? I've  
forgotten how to do it. The reason I want to try is that copy music to  
the clipboard is quite buggy when it comes to staff styles and  
articulations based on shapes.


On PC 2005K it still is  from the edit menu.
I still dont quite understand the difference... Ctrl+C is copy, but when  
you access the copy button from the edit menu you get 

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Re: [Finale] OT PC question

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Apr 2005 at 3:13, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

> DELL seems to be popular and attractive.  I have one myself, but I
> don't recommend to anyone.  It's just that DELL's business model is
> really nasty, not to mention their support is terrible.

It is incredibly important to maintain a distinction between Dell's
desktop lines and their laptop lines. The laptops lines have never
been good machines and their support is the worst I've ever
encountered anywhere.

Their desktops, on the other hand, are as good as you're going to get
in the commercial PC market, and are excellent values. The support is
also as good as you're going to find anywhere in the industry today,
despite an obvious decline from what it once was.

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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Apr 2005 at 8:14, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

> I wrote to the head of the computer sciences center at University of
> Maryland to get his opinion as to what machine to buy.  Some of you
> may be interested in his reply:
> 
> "Why on earth would you want to subject her to the horrors that
> Windows-using students are subjected to here?  I spend almost all my
> time trying to help them recover from Internet attacks, and more and
> more of them are having to reformat their hard drives and reinstall
> the operating system (which leaves them no less susceptible to repeat
> performances unless they take the mass of security steps that I almost
> never have time to go over with them in detail.
> 
> Unless she HAS to get a PC (and I can't think of a single reason why a
> freshman would be that committed to one of the departments that
> requires them) she ought to get a Mac.  Period."
> 
> As a Mac user, (Macher) I don't have to deal with the virus issue. 
> How do PC mavens protect themselves from the deluge of attacks on
> their OS?

The person you wrote to obviously has *no* experience in configuring 
and administering Windows PCs, so his advice is highly suspect, in my 
opinion.

His reaction is definitely a wild over-reaction, as you seem to 
suspect from what you've asked.

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Re: [Finale] OT PC question

[David W. Fenton]

On 17 Apr 2005 at 5:44, dhbailey wrote:

> A-NO-NE Music wrote:
> 
> > I have two IBM Thinkpads, and it has never given me any problem
> > except IBM/Hitach drive I don't trust so I replace the internal
> > drives the day I receive laptop, both Mac and PC.  Up until Seagate
> > made 2.5", all of my laptop drives had been Toshiba.  IBM support is
> > quite good too.  It would be really disappointing if IBM is really
> > giving up on hardware division all together.
> 
> They've sold their PC division already, from what I've read.

The IBM Thinkpads have been manufactured in Pacific Rim countries for 
a very long time. All that is changing with the sale is who the 
management is. If the design and research divisions that produced the 
laptops go with the purchase, I don't think there will be much 
difference.

I hope!

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Re: [Finale] Clip Files

[James E. Bailey]

It’s worked fine for me, just select whatever it is you want and drag 
it to the desktop. I assume that’s what you’re talking about.

Am 17.04.2005 um 12:21 schrieb Robert Patterson:
Does anyone know if it is still possible to use clip files? I've 
forgotten how to do it. The reason I want to try is that copy music to 
the clipboard is quite buggy when it comes to staff styles and 
articulations based on shapes.

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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[JD]

Thanks Hiro,

I've been hemming and hawing all day as a prelude to the zeroing/reinstall.
I'm obviously not in any hurry, so I spend time in my workshop building
cabinets.  It takes my mind off of and gives me a peaceful outlook on
things.

I'll try what you've detailed here as I go along.  But all in all, I concur
with your view that a new install is the way to go.  Sigh...

At least I feel like I'm learning some things about the bowels of OS X,
FWIW.

Thanks again.

L8R
JD

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on 4/17/05 12:03 PM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> JD / 05.4.17 / 01:16 PM wrote:
> 
>> I ran Terminal and entered in the prompt you provided.  The first group of
>> letters was identical to what you gave me.  The remaining test was similar,
>> but not identical.
> 
> 
> OK, a couple more things to try.
> Safe boot mode: Hold down shift right after you boot before gray
> background and spinning gear appears, then you get to the login window
> (if you have auto log enabled, disable it for your security).  Upon
> entering your user name and password, as soon as you hit enter, hold the
> shift key again.
> 
> The first shift+boot disables any 3rd party extension, and the second
> shift+login disables any user dependent startup application.  If you got
> far enough with this, you should try one of these two one by one to
> determine which one of two are the culprit.
> 
> When you see an application doesn't start.  Do you see the crash report
> dialog?  If not, open Console under Utility, and look for system.log.
> You should find something like 'crash dump was killed by signal 5'.  If
> this is the case, your Unicode library might be corrupted.  This happened
> to me by installing M$Office English onto OSX JP locale.  Micro$haft!!!
> 
> It was clearly their false premise being OSX compatible, yet they charged
> me 30% restocking fee on returning.  Again, M$ prohibits non US version
> to be sold in US, I ended up paying more than $1,000 for M$Office!!
> 
> 
> If you did get crash reporter, hit [Report to Apple].  On the next
> window, copy the top of the line to where it says 'Thread  crashed'.
> You can trash all the other unrelated threads, and send it to me
> privately.  I may be able to do a half-baked educated guesses.
> 
> But all in all, scratch install is the way I'd do if I were you :-)

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[Finale] Clip Files

[Robert Patterson]

Does anyone know if it is still possible to use clip files? I've 
forgotten how to do it. The reason I want to try is that copy music to 
the clipboard is quite buggy when it comes to staff styles and 
articulations based on shapes.

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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[A-NO-NE Music]

JD / 05.4.17 / 01:16 PM wrote:

>I ran Terminal and entered in the prompt you provided.  The first group of
>letters was identical to what you gave me.  The remaining test was similar,
>but not identical.


OK, a couple more things to try.
Safe boot mode: Hold down shift right after you boot before gray
background and spinning gear appears, then you get to the login window
(if you have auto log enabled, disable it for your security).  Upon
entering your user name and password, as soon as you hit enter, hold the
shift key again.

The first shift+boot disables any 3rd party extension, and the second
shift+login disables any user dependent startup application.  If you got
far enough with this, you should try one of these two one by one to
determine which one of two are the culprit.

When you see an application doesn't start.  Do you see the crash report
dialog?  If not, open Console under Utility, and look for system.log. 
You should find something like 'crash dump was killed by signal 5'.  If
this is the case, your Unicode library might be corrupted.  This happened
to me by installing M$Office English onto OSX JP locale.  Micro$haft!!!

It was clearly their false premise being OSX compatible, yet they charged
me 30% restocking fee on returning.  Again, M$ prohibits non US version
to be sold in US, I ended up paying more than $1,000 for M$Office!!


If you did get crash reporter, hit [Report to Apple].  On the next
window, copy the top of the line to where it says 'Thread  crashed'.
 You can trash all the other unrelated threads, and send it to me
privately.  I may be able to do a half-baked educated guesses.

But all in all, scratch install is the way I'd do if I were you :-)


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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[JD]

on 4/17/05 10:35 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 17 Apr 2005, at 1:16 PM, JD wrote:
> 
>> It looks like I'm forced to zero the HD out, and reinstall.  What a
>> pain.
> 
> JD,
> 
> 1) Did you try creating an additional user, to see if Safari etc work
> when using a different account?
> 
> 2) Did you try downloading and installing the standalone OS X 10.3.9
> updater?

Darcy,

Yes on both counts.  Se la vi...

L8R
JD


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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[Darcy James Argue]

On 17 Apr 2005, at 1:16 PM, JD wrote:
It looks like I'm forced to zero the HD out, and reinstall.  What a  
pain.
JD,
1) Did you try creating an additional user, to see if Safari etc work  
when using a different account?

2) Did you try downloading and installing the standalone OS X 10.3.9  
updater?

http://tc.versiontracker.com/product/redir/lid/548378/ 
MacOSXUpdate10.3.9.dmg

You should try both of these steps before reinstalling.  And you  
needn't completely erase your HD when reinstalling, either... try  
"Archive and Install" first.

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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[JD]

on 4/17/05 12:21 AM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> JD / 05.4.16 / 09:33 AM wrote:
> 
>> So here's the latest issue:  proprietary Apple programs won't launch
>> anymore.  Safari, Mail, etc. just won't come up.  They did before because
>> I've used them.  In fact, I found that Safari was the only program for the
>> Mac that would actually access the USPS Click Postage site.  Also, Sherlock
>> unexpectedly quits immediately after launching, when loading Internet.
> 
> 
> Sounds like Application Support permission bit is flipped.
> Open Terminal under Utility,
> Type
> 
> ls[space]-la[space]/Library/[space]|[
> space]grep[space]Application\[space]Support[return]
> 
> All in one line.  It should return like this:
>   drwxrwxr-x   31 root  admin  1054 14 Apr 23:39 Application Support
> If the first group of letters are not drwxrwxr-x then that explains why
> you are having the problem.  You can correct this problem if you don't
> mind learning a few Unix tricks but it might be easier if you just wipe
> everything and reinstall from zero-format.

Hiro,

I ran Terminal and entered in the prompt you provided.  The first group of
letters was identical to what you gave me.  The remaining test was similar,
but not identical.

It looks like I'm forced to zero the HD out, and reinstall.  What a pain.

Thanks for your help.

L8R
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[amelchi]

Hello,

 

is there any suggestion, application to browse all
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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[Darcy James Argue]

On 17 Apr 2005, at 10:03 AM, Linda Worsley wrote:
Ask the bookstore if a student can still get a deal on a Mac laptop 
(or any other kind).
Regardless of the campus bookstore's policy, the Apple Store online 
allows students to obtain their educational discount online:

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/routingpage.html
The educational discount applies to all Apple products -- not just 
computers, but iPods, accessories, etc.

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Re: [Finale] OT PC question

[A-NO-NE Music]

dhbailey / 05.4.17 / 05:44 AM wrote:

>They've sold their PC division already, from what I've read.


The last I heard, which can be dated, was that US Gov stopped that
transaction.


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Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

[Andrew Stiller]

On Apr 17, 2005, at 5:59 AM, RegoR wrote:
...as an instrumentalist, do you feel that it then becomes the duty of 
the copyist to satisify the needs of the performer and engrave the 
music using the clefs that are more comfortable for a performer to 
use?
In my experience, the vast majority of copyists regard it as their duty 
to literally copy exactly what they find in the score when extracting 
parts. There are many places where a composer changes clefs merely to 
save vertical space in the score, and you will never see those changes 
overridden by the copyist.

I think, frankly, that in the case of a dead composer (who cannot be 
consulted RE any proposed revision), that a bright line needs to be 
maintained between the functions of  a copyist and those of an editor. 
And even w. living  composers, the default should always be the exact 
transfer of score notation into the extracted part, unless a particular 
item warrants a query.

Also, do you feel that the full score should be engraved only in 
Treble and Bass Clefs, or should it be engraved to reflect the parts 
as they are written for the performer.
I believe that, transposition issues aside, the score should reflect 
exactly what the composer wants  to appear in the parts--precisely 
because of the reason stated above. When I avoid tenor clef in a score, 
I avoid it in the parts as well.

If the latter, does this also mean that a score should be engraved 
TRANSPOSED, or should it be engraved as NON-transposed.

An interesting point, that has been too little discussed. In my own 
work I write transposed scores for pieces where details of instrumental 
writing are particularly important (special fingerings, e.g.), and 
concert scores where complex pitch issues prevail.

With a concert-pitch score, the copyist will need to exercise more 
initiative than usual in deciding clef change issues, because quite 
obviously instruments with big transpositions will have parts that lie 
entirely differently on the staff in the part than in the score.

An interesting example of this issue is raised by the Schoenberg wind 
quintet. The score, in concert pitch, just specifies "clarinet" without 
giving a key.  Since the part descends  to tenor d-flat, the extracted 
part was made for clarinet in A, though there is no hint  that 
Schoenberg actually required that and the decision seems to have been 
the copyist's. Since my full-Boehm Bb clarinet has a low Eb key, I felt 
no compunction about using it for this piece instead, but I had to copy 
out the part a half-step up for me to play it.

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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[A-NO-NE Music]

Repair permission.

In theory, you must run DiskUtil within it's boot volume to correct
permission bit, and that's also what Apple tells you to do.

I then found there are some directories cannot be checked because they
are in use.  Make sense.  AppleJack runs under SingleUser mode.  It
actually does much more checking than DiskUtil off booted OSX.  Make sense.

But I also found running DiskUtil off OSX installer CD also checks
differently.  I have seen some obscure permission bits on rather crucial
pref file has been fixed only by running off the installer CD.

Running off the installer CD is not legal because it won't have all the
Receipts that have been installed after the initial installer.  On the
other hand, the Receipts on the OSX installer and the boot volume should
be identical, according to Apple, as long as the single digit version
matches, Panther to Panther, Jag to Jag.

So, I run AppleJack before and after any installation, and run all three
above when I encounter problem like JD has been experiencing.

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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[Simon Troup]

> Please, people, I beg you. Take this offlist. It is dullest most 
> pointless religious argument every single time it comes up, and it has 
> absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this list.

Seconded, it's first class flame bait, we've all made our minds up already.
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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[Steve Gibons]

agreed here. the repetitiveness of these arguments is stultifying.
On Apr 17, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Please, people, I beg you. Take this offlist. It is dullest most 
pointless religious argument every single time it comes up, and it has 
absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this list.

dhbailey wrote:
Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I wrote to the head of the computer sciences center at University of
Maryland to get his opinion as to what machine to buy.  Some of you 
may be
interested in his reply:

"Why on earth would you want to subject her to the horrors that
Windows-using students are subjected to here?  I spend almost all my
time trying to help them recover from Internet attacks, and more and
more of them are having to reformat their hard drives and reinstall 
the
operating system (which leaves them no less susceptible to repeat
performances unless they take the mass of security steps that I 
almost
never have time to go over with them in detail.

Unless she HAS to get a PC (and I can't think of a single reason why 
a
freshman would be that committed to one of the departments that 
requires
them) she ought to get a Mac.  Period."

As a Mac user, (Macher) I don't have to deal with the virus issue.  
How do
PC mavens protect themselves from the deluge of attacks on their OS?

Larry
Install an antivirus program and that's that.
As well as follow some sound computing practices, such as never 
opening attachments you haven't solicited, even when they appear to 
come from friends or relatives.
If that person convinces enough people to buy Macs, then there'll be 
a big enough Mac user market that he'll have to be dealing with 
viruses over there, as well as on windows machines.
It's like anything -- use it wisely, invest in tools to protect 
yourself (they're not that expensive) and you're fine.
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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[Robert Patterson]

Please, people, I beg you. Take this offlist. It is dullest most 
pointless religious argument every single time it comes up, and it has 
absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this list.

dhbailey wrote:
Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I wrote to the head of the computer sciences center at University of
Maryland to get his opinion as to what machine to buy.  Some of you 
may be
interested in his reply:

"Why on earth would you want to subject her to the horrors that
Windows-using students are subjected to here?  I spend almost all my
time trying to help them recover from Internet attacks, and more and
more of them are having to reformat their hard drives and reinstall the
operating system (which leaves them no less susceptible to repeat
performances unless they take the mass of security steps that I almost
never have time to go over with them in detail.
Unless she HAS to get a PC (and I can't think of a single reason why a
freshman would be that committed to one of the departments that requires
them) she ought to get a Mac.  Period."
As a Mac user, (Macher) I don't have to deal with the virus issue.  
How do
PC mavens protect themselves from the deluge of attacks on their OS?

Larry

Install an antivirus program and that's that.
As well as follow some sound computing practices, such as never opening 
attachments you haven't solicited, even when they appear to come from 
friends or relatives.

If that person convinces enough people to buy Macs, then there'll be a 
big enough Mac user market that he'll have to be dealing with viruses 
over there, as well as on windows machines.

It's like anything -- use it wisely, invest in tools to protect yourself 
(they're not that expensive) and you're fine.


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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[dhbailey]

Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I wrote to the head of the computer sciences center at University of
Maryland to get his opinion as to what machine to buy.  Some of you may be
interested in his reply:
"Why on earth would you want to subject her to the horrors that
Windows-using students are subjected to here?  I spend almost all my
time trying to help them recover from Internet attacks, and more and
more of them are having to reformat their hard drives and reinstall the
operating system (which leaves them no less susceptible to repeat
performances unless they take the mass of security steps that I almost
never have time to go over with them in detail.
Unless she HAS to get a PC (and I can't think of a single reason why a
freshman would be that committed to one of the departments that requires
them) she ought to get a Mac.  Period."
As a Mac user, (Macher) I don't have to deal with the virus issue.  How do
PC mavens protect themselves from the deluge of attacks on their OS?
Larry
Install an antivirus program and that's that.
As well as follow some sound computing practices, such as never opening 
attachments you haven't solicited, even when they appear to come from 
friends or relatives.

If that person convinces enough people to buy Macs, then there'll be a 
big enough Mac user market that he'll have to be dealing with viruses 
over there, as well as on windows machines.

It's like anything -- use it wisely, invest in tools to protect yourself 
(they're not that expensive) and you're fine.


--
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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[JD]

on 4/17/05 12:21 AM, A-NO-NE Music at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> JD / 05.4.16 / 09:33 AM wrote:
> 
>> So here's the latest issue:  proprietary Apple programs won't launch
>> anymore.  Safari, Mail, etc. just won't come up.  They did before because
>> I've used them.  In fact, I found that Safari was the only program for the
>> Mac that would actually access the USPS Click Postage site.  Also, Sherlock
>> unexpectedly quits immediately after launching, when loading Internet.
> 
> 
> Sounds like Application Support permission bit is flipped.
> Open Terminal under Utility,
> Type
> 
> ls[space]-la[space]/Library/[space]|[
> space]grep[space]Application\[space]Support[return]
> 
> All in one line.  It should return like this:
>   drwxrwxr-x   31 root  admin  1054 14 Apr 23:39 Application Support
> If the first group of letters are not drwxrwxr-x then that explains why
> you are having the problem.  You can correct this problem if you don't
> mind learning a few Unix tricks but it might be easier if you just wipe
> everything and reinstall from zero-format.

Thank Hiro.  I was hoping you would chime in.  Actually I don't mind
learning Unix tricks, figuring I'll need to use them now and then.
Everything else I have tried, via the good suggestions I received here, alas
has failed.  So I've been prepping the drive for reformat and reinstall,
backing things up etc.

So now I can give this a go-around today, and failing that, the last resort
is upon me.

Thanks to everyone who offered advice.  Darcy, Christopher, Michael, Hiro,
et al.  I'll jump back in and let everyone know what happened.

L8R
JD


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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[Linda Worsley]

Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I wrote to the head of the computer sciences center at University of
Maryland to get his opinion as to what machine to buy.  Some of you may be
interested in his reply:
"Why on earth would you want to subject her to the horrors that
Windows-using students are subjected to here? . . .
Amen.  I've been going to jump on this thread and dispute the 
"rapacious college bookstore" view.  You'll probably get a better 
deal on everything from books to T shirts online somewhere, but 
unless times have changed, the college bookstore IS the place to get 
a computer.

I bought three of my kids at two different university bookstores, mac 
laptops at a WAY reduced student rate.  It's been an Apple thing, 
providing macs to schools and selling them to college students at a 
bargain rate. That way they develop customers who are mac people 
forever, and it certainly worked for my offspring, each of whom has 
owned several macs since, and wouldn't dream getting a PC, even 
though it's cheaper.  My only PC son started on a DEC10 when he was 
12, worked later for an OS2 enthusiast, survived that, and now 
develops and troubleshoots software for PC customers of a health care 
software company.  But even the PC son, who taught me how to use HIS 
pc in the 80s, steered me toward the mac.  When my electric 
typewriter went out in 1986, he said ""Don't ever buy another 
typewriter.  Get a Macintosh computer."  I did... a Mac 512KE.  That 
was at least ten or twelve Macs ago, and I can't imagine wrestling 
with Windows.  Never had a virus or a worm on any Mac and I LOVE 
System X!

But I digress.  Ask the bookstore if a student can still get a deal 
on a Mac laptop (or any other kind).

Worth checking out if they still do that.  Also. both bookstores I 
used had pretty savvy computer people who did troubleshooting and 
service.

Good luck,
Linda Worsley
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Re: [Finale] OT Mac or PC

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 08:14 AM 4/17/05 -0400, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
>As a Mac user, (Macher) I don't have to deal with the virus issue.  How do
>PC mavens protect themselves from the deluge of attacks on their OS?

I think that is overstated.

For me, aside from getting program and OS updates as they're issued (for
improvements and bug fixes, not just security), I just plain practice safe
computing: I run a firewall, scan my attachment directory, don't use
trojan-launching mail programs, run an ad/spybot check, do critical data
backups, scan drives for failures, organize files and folders, dump
temporary files, etc. It's routine maintenance I do while reading email or
washing dishes. Every night before bed I've got a clean machine.

We're in a period of personal computing when people behave as if they can
drive unaware of traffic or heedless of roadsigns. That's the hurt for
Windows users -- who, with tenfold the Mac user population, include a whole
lot of folks who are not good with computing *or* driving. For now at
least, Mac users don't have to watch the roadsigns, as there's not much
traffic to avoid.

Sure, I watch my firewall get hammered hundreds of times an hour, but feel
no effects. None of the five Windows computers in our house has ever had a
virus. Adware/spyware are rooted out before programs are installed (I use
lots of shareware and freeware).

But all the platforms can have issues. Unix/Linux folks cope with trojans
and other attacks. Users of a php-based bulletin board running got hacked a
few weeks ago. I run three of them on my maltedmedia server (FreeBSD Unix),
but installed the security update as soon as it was announced. Safe
computing on that platform, too.

Macs have a psychological advantage in that there's little interest in
writing malware for them -- you don't get cred for if you don't have
widespread impact. With Windows on most of the world's desktops, all hell
can break loose, with instant glory for script kiddies and lots of money to
be made for the unscrupulous data hacker.

I'd encourage Mac owners to begin practicing safe computing, though. You
never know who will take an interest as the Mac user base grows. Mac owners
are like the Martians in "War of the Worlds" -- seemingly invulnerable, but
unprepared for the smallest virus.

The good news is that much has been learned all around from the attacks on
Windows.

Now back to work,
Dennis


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[Finale] OT Mac or PC

[Lawrence David Eden]

I wrote to the head of the computer sciences center at University of
Maryland to get his opinion as to what machine to buy.  Some of you may be
interested in his reply:

"Why on earth would you want to subject her to the horrors that
Windows-using students are subjected to here?  I spend almost all my
time trying to help them recover from Internet attacks, and more and
more of them are having to reformat their hard drives and reinstall the
operating system (which leaves them no less susceptible to repeat
performances unless they take the mass of security steps that I almost
never have time to go over with them in detail.

Unless she HAS to get a PC (and I can't think of a single reason why a
freshman would be that committed to one of the departments that requires
them) she ought to get a Mac.  Period."


As a Mac user, (Macher) I don't have to deal with the virus issue.  How do
PC mavens protect themselves from the deluge of attacks on their OS?

Larry


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Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

[dhbailey]

RegoR wrote:

A subtle distinction needs to be drawn here. My objection is not as a  
bassoonist, but as a composer. As a bassoonist, I have no beef w. the  
clef at all--but as a composer, I find it an unnecessary complication 
of  the notational system.

Andrew,
Your point has been clearly made, and as a composer, I can agree with 
your  reasoning, but then, as an instrumentalist, do you feel that it 
then  becomes the duty of the copyist to satisify the needs of the 
performer and  engrave the music using the clefs that are more 
comfortable for a  performer to use?

Also, do you feel that the full score should be engraved only in Treble  
and Bass Clefs, or should it be engraved to reflect the parts as they 
are  written for the performer.

If the latter, does this also mean that a score should be engraved  
TRANSPOSED, or should it be engraved as NON-transposed.

I'm not Andrew, but I'll weigh in on these questions:
Yes, I think the engraver should make the parts most easily read by the 
performer, but that should be done only with the consent of the client 
(most likely the composer, but possibly the publisher.)  If that means 
using different clefs because of the nature of the instrument or the 
performing situation, then they should be used.

The score should be engraved to reflect the parts as they are written 
for the performer -- speaking as a conductor, I find it a terrible waste 
of time when I have no clue what the performer is looking at because the 
score is engraved one way and the parts are different.  I hate the band 
world's use of condensed scores for that same reason -- when a performer 
isn't sure about a note and asks what the pitch or the rhythm should be, 
if I don't have an exact copy of what that part looks like, it often 
takes me a few moments of valuable rehearsal time to work out the 
problem.  Worst of all are the 2-staff piano scores which don't even 
include all the cues.

I like the fully transposed scores, so I am looking at EXACTLY what the 
performer is looking at.  That way we can discuss any problem in either 
notation or performance clearly and precisely.

Conductors worthy of the name should be able (in my opinion) to work 
from a transposed score and figure out the concert-pitch sounds from that.

I've seen cases of non-transposed scores, back in the pre-computer days, 
when a transposed part would have a measure or two engraved where the 
engraver forgot to transpose and left those measures in concert pitch. 
What a waste of time, resolving the "but it's printed in my part and 
that's what I played" / "it's printed concert pitch, you need to 
transpose those two measures" issues.  They're not common, thank 
goodness, but if the score is transposed, the parts are more likely to 
be correct, in my experience.

--
David H. Bailey
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Re: [Finale] Re: clef changes

[RegoR]

A subtle distinction needs to be drawn here. My objection is not as a  
bassoonist, but as a composer. As a bassoonist, I have no beef w. the  
clef at all--but as a composer, I find it an unnecessary complication of  
the notational system.

Andrew,
Your point has been clearly made, and as a composer, I can agree with your  
reasoning, but then, as an instrumentalist, do you feel that it then  
becomes the duty of the copyist to satisify the needs of the performer and  
engrave the music using the clefs that are more comfortable for a  
performer to use?

Also, do you feel that the full score should be engraved only in Treble  
and Bass Clefs, or should it be engraved to reflect the parts as they are  
written for the performer.

If the latter, does this also mean that a score should be engraved  
TRANSPOSED, or should it be engraved as NON-transposed.

Gregory
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Re: [Finale] OT PC question

[dhbailey]

A-NO-NE Music wrote:
I have two IBM Thinkpads, and it has never given me any problem except
IBM/Hitach drive I don't trust so I replace the internal drives the day I
receive laptop, both Mac and PC.  Up until Seagate made 2.5", all of my
laptop drives had been Toshiba.  IBM support is quite good too.  It would
be really disappointing if IBM is really giving up on hardware division
all together.
They've sold their PC division already, from what I've read.
--
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Re: [Finale] OT PC question

[A-NO-NE Music]

I have two IBM Thinkpads, and it has never given me any problem except
IBM/Hitach drive I don't trust so I replace the internal drives the day I
receive laptop, both Mac and PC.  Up until Seagate made 2.5", all of my
laptop drives had been Toshiba.  IBM support is quite good too.  It would
be really disappointing if IBM is really giving up on hardware division
all together.

I deal with fair amount of both Mac and PC.  In the end, PC is not that
cheaper than Mac.  You are paying for what it is.  Decent PC costs as
much as Mac, y'know.

DELL seems to be popular and attractive.  I have one myself, but I don't
recommend to anyone.  It's just that DELL's business model is really
nasty, not to mention their support is terrible.

P.S. I just setup DELL Precision 370 for WinXP-JP for my client.  To my
very surprise, WinXP does not contain STAT driver.  NTLoader reports
possible virus attach?!  Totally by luck, I peaked at BIOS and found ATA
combi mode to fool the XP installer.  One word.  Mac is much easier to
deal with.

-- 

- Hiro

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Re: [Finale] OS X problems

[A-NO-NE Music]

JD / 05.4.16 / 09:33 AM wrote:

>So here's the latest issue:  proprietary Apple programs won't launch
>anymore.  Safari, Mail, etc. just won't come up.  They did before because
>I've used them.  In fact, I found that Safari was the only program for the
>Mac that would actually access the USPS Click Postage site.  Also, Sherlock
>unexpectedly quits immediately after launching, when loading Internet.


Sounds like Application Support permission bit is flipped.
Open Terminal under Utility,
Type

ls[space]-la[space]/Library/[space]|[
space]grep[space]Application\[space]Support[return]

All in one line.  It should return like this:
drwxrwxr-x   31 root  admin  1054 14 Apr 23:39 Application Support
If the first group of letters are not drwxrwxr-x then that explains why
you are having the problem.  You can correct this problem if you don't
mind learning a few Unix tricks but it might be easier if you just wipe
everything and reinstall from zero-format.


-- 

- Hiro

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