Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Best of luck, Jean. Peg Knutsen - Original Message - From: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Gunnar This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Vet finally has all the stats on Gunnar and is concerned about the fibrinogin (sp) reading as it should be 4 but it is 8. Hope I did not turn that around. It is a sign that there may be a tumor somewhere There is a protein deficiency (old hay?) So I am to get his calories up with corn oil, rolled oats and small amt. of alfalfa. As I mentioned the grass is coming so I can get all the good nutrition in him. Guess this is the time when the Fjord characteristic of blowing up over the least amount of grass or alfalfa goes out the window!!! But we will not over do it, much to his chagrin. Thanks for all of the caring. Jean Gayle P.S. Jean in Alaska, I agree with you on your old boys diet. Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Vet finally has all the stats on Gunnar and is concerned about the fibrinogin (sp) reading as it should be 4 but it is 8. Hope I did not turn that around. It is a sign that there may be a tumor somewhere There is a protein deficiency (old hay?) So I am to get his calories up with corn oil, rolled oats and small amt. of alfalfa. As I mentioned the grass is coming so I can get all the good nutrition in him. Guess this is the time when the Fjord characteristic of blowing up over the least amount of grass or alfalfa goes out the window!!! But we will not over do it, much to his chagrin. Thanks for all of the caring. Jean Gayle P.S. Jean in Alaska, I agree with you on your old boys diet. Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, That sounds like something that can be fixed! And Fjords do have a lower hematocrit than breeds such Thorougbreds. so do draft horses. I still think a good Senior feed would be best as it is processed for older horses with worn teeth, and you could easily add oil to pellets. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it got a little warmer at +20 today. He found Gunnar to be anemic and has suggested adding grain, corn oil and a little alfalfa to his diet. His teeth are quite worn and the incisors need grinding. Our grass is coming on and I think I have already seen improvement. We had a Dell feed store come in and I bought grass hay from them. It was quite dusty and brown in the middle and we feel it is older grass, which means less nutrition. I am not sure if Fjords check out the same as other horses regarding anemia? The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Lee et al. The Vet has been trying to reach me but I have been going from place to place. He found Gunnar to be anemic and has suggested adding grain, corn oil and a little alfalfa to his diet. His teeth are quite worn and the incisors need grinding. Our grass is coming on and I think I have already seen improvement. We had a Dell feed store come in and I bought grass hay from them. It was quite dusty and brown in the middle and we feel it is older grass, which means less nutrition. I am not sure if Fjords check out the same as other horses regarding anemia? At any rate, Gunnar wonders what the problem is and just bring on the food. Thanks for all the interest and support. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar; what, no polar fleece?
This message is from: "Melinda Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have found boiled wool to be very warm, and more dressy than fleece. I do like the easy washability and quick drying of polar fleeceand it's less itchy. I know, I know, at least one of you out there has incredibly soft washable wool jumpers. I give! :) Melinda On 3/17/07, Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you want nice soft Fjord fur, go for the stuff on the forehead under > the > forelock. One of my big spring pleasures is pulling it off. It starts > shedding a bit later than the body. If I were a two year old, I would > stuff > it up my nose, hold a "blanky" to the side of my face, and suck my thumb. > (heyI'm in California...it's better than peacock feather massages) > > Maybe I'll try collecting it and mixing it with my neighbor's sheep's > wool. > > Gail > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > -- Coaching with Melinda Schumacher, MD Personal Empowerment through Creative Expression and Equine Experiential Learning "You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace that is already around your neck." ~Jalal-Uddin Rumi "As she knotted the reins and took her stand, the horse's soul came into her hand, and up from the mouth that held the steel came an innermost word, half thought, half feel."~paraphrased, John Masefield Fly Without Wings www.flywithoutwings.net Gestalt Practitioner www.gestaltcleveland.org The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pamela, Thanks for the concern re Gunnar. It could be his teeth and also the hay has been poor this last year. Altho I fed him three times a day it may have not been enough. He also has rice grains and low cal grain. Vet will be here Mon so we will find out what it is, The grass is also coming now so hopefully that will help. Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Gunnar; what, no polar fleece?
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you want nice soft Fjord fur, go for the stuff on the forehead under the forelock. One of my big spring pleasures is pulling it off. It starts shedding a bit later than the body. If I were a two year old, I would stuff it up my nose, hold a "blanky" to the side of my face, and suck my thumb. (heyI'm in California...it's better than peacock feather massages) Maybe I'll try collecting it and mixing it with my neighbor's sheep's wool. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Gunnar; what, no polar fleece?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, they make nice things from sled dog fur; only problem is when it gets wet, it smells like wet dog! I have collected some incredibly soft Fjord fur when old Bjarne sheds his belly fur, but haven't found anyone wanting to try spinning it into yarn. The last bag of it I had stored in the shed and the squirrels got into it and tore up the bag and stored mushrooms and spruce cones in it! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it will warm up to an incredible +15 today (If we are lucky!) My favorite ski headband is made out of wool and sled dog yarn...from Alaska. The sled dog fur is incredibly soft and warm. Nothing else is like it, and certainly not a polar fleece headband. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Gunnar; what, no polar fleece?
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fleece is nice and is warm, but isn't nearly as pretty or long-lasting as real wool. Linda in Alanya, Turkey until the end of May My favorite ski headband is made out of wool and sled dog yarn...from Alaska. The sled dog fur is incredibly soft and warm. Nothing else is like it, and certainly not a polar fleece headband. Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, Gail, I will let you know what happens. Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Jamie, for the ideas and help. I am hoping it is his teeth or digestion slowing down. The Vet will be here Monday so can suggest to him the ideas I have received here. He is a good man and we are friends. Age and teeth, hopefully. jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was going to mention this too. PJ's teeth are quite worn, and though he did fine (actually, too fine) on pasture, he couldn't really chew hay. I started him on soaked Timothy pellets about eight months ago and he's doing really well. Jamie In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO In a message dated 3/16/2007 10:56:37 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could it possibly be his teeth that are a problem? If his teeth are bad, or scarce, then he might not be able to chew very well and may not be digesting as well. We had an old mare in New Mexico that had this problem. She was a little pinto, and was of undetermined age, since she didn't have much in the way of teeth. When we bought her she was underweight with a dull coat. We switched from hay to Equine Senior and soaked alfalfa cubes and that horse blossomed. I don't know if this is Gunnar's problem, obviously, but it's worth mentioning, just in case. ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could it possibly be his teeth that are a problem? If his teeth are bad, or scarce, then he might not be able to chew very well and may not be digesting as well. We had an old mare in New Mexico that had this problem. She was a little pinto, and was of undetermined age, since she didn't have much in the way of teeth. When we bought her she was underweight with a dull coat. We switched from hay to Equine Senior and soaked alfalfa cubes and that horse blossomed. I don't know if this is Gunnar's problem, obviously, but it's worth mentioning, just in case. Pamela _Northern Holiday Horses_ (http://hometown.aol.com/northhorse/index.html) _Welcome Polaris 2_ (http://hometown.aol.com/sowestern/myhomepage/index.html) ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "Jeanne Zuker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, I will be keeping you and Gunnar in my prayers and thoughts. Please keep us posted on what you find out from the Vet. Jeanne ~MI~ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Gunnar
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, Keep us posted as to how he is. Twenty four is still young for some Fjords. Let us know what your vet says. I do hope he is OK. Gail in California. Gunnar is not doing well. He is out of Grabb and Guldua and is the small, barrel chested draft type. At 24-5 years he seems to be failing. Hard to tell as his appetite and behavior is the same but he is tucked at the hip and his ribs are obvious The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mary, what wild days. Besides sick horses my friends have been going down rapidly two in the hospital and two with bad diagnosis. Taking one to the doctor today. I do not think this was stable cough with Charley as there was snot with it, green. However, I would like to try that cough med. Will be stopping at Cenex this afternoon and will get some. Thanks Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jean Gayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I sent in a long letter detailing the > little guys trip back to > health. Jean, Glad he is feeling better, although being irritable isn't fun. They do seem to blame us for the shots though. I have the vet do Line's shots, as she always blames me for weeks if I give them to her. all > seems well except my big boy > is now coughing again with that darn cough that has > been going around. Have you tried a product called Cough Free? It's made by Sure Nutrition. I noticed that Cenex had a couple tubs of it last time I was out there. I used it on both my boys a couple of years ago when they developed "stable cough" for some unknown reason. "Stable Cough" is REALLY annoying, hangs on for weeks, even when they stop coughing all the time they still cough if you use them - hence they can't go anywhere. This Cough Free stuff really worked for them - in about 5 days they were through coughing. It's herbs and minerals(smells a little bit like camphor) and just helps heal a throat that is irritated from coughing, which is why some horses continue to cough long after the infection is gone. My boys had been through two rounds of SMZ and were still coughing, so I got some from Valley Vet Supply and tried it. I think maybe there is still some left in the tub - I'll look when I go out to the barn. You are welcome to try it if you'd like. It certainly won't hurt him, as there are no drugs or other chemicals in it. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Carol I sent in a long letter detailing the little guys trip back to health. He is just a teensy bit irritable and I think blames me for those shots. I continue to watch him closely but all seems well except my big boy is now coughing again with that darn cough that has been going around. Oh well I guess we asked for this. Thanks, Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "Reena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, I am glad to hear that Gunnar is better today...will be keeping him in my thoughts and prayers for a swift recovery. reena
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
{finishing the previous note}.."progress" continues!
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>From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "fjord"
>Subject: Gunnar
>Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001, 1:36 PM
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>This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Thanks for all the support from so many, what wonderful people. To see a
>horse in so much pain and realize how helpless he is and you are is
>difficult. He is I think better today altho not as interested in food as he
>should be. Very little and light feeding. He has a slight tremor but then
>had had a lot o pain and medication. My Vet is not certain what it is and
>we are watching quite carefully. That means being up at frequent times
>checking.
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>This is the boy who was never sick. He has "pooped" twice with some mucous,
>urinates a bit, and lumbered away from me when I tired to get him off the
>grass in the yard and away from the other horses this morning. He was tubed
>and given banamine and Turbo- (sp) last night around ten. My Vet
>thought he had shown slight improvement in the gums and the gut within an
>hour. I stalled him and checked on him at four this morning and he was up
>and looking for food.
>At 8:30 this morning he waiting and I turned him out on the grass. He had
>again pooped and there were some dry clumps which hopefully mean this is an
>impaction. I think I had thought on two occasions that he seemed a bit off
>this past week which could have been the beginning of a backup. I had been
>cutting back as the weather warms on his feed and not so much alfalfa.
>Perhaps the grass hay is too fine. Who knows.
>
>I have always thought God could have done better by giving us all, animals
>and man, transparent skin so our health is not such a guessing game. "Ah,
>you see that bulge in his intestines? Yup! Well that is an impaction so do
>not worry that he has a twisted gut." etc. Jean
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>Jean Gayle
>Aberdeen, WA
>[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
>Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
>http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
>Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm glad to here Gunnar is doing better..your idea of transparent skin sounds like a pretty good idea...back to GunnarI hope his progress -- >From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "fjord" >Subject: Gunnar >Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001, 1:36 PM > >This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Thanks for all the support from so many, what wonderful people. To see a >horse in so much pain and realize how helpless he is and you are is >difficult. He is I think better today altho not as interested in food as he >should be. Very little and light feeding. He has a slight tremor but then >had had a lot o pain and medication. My Vet is not certain what it is and >we are watching quite carefully. That means being up at frequent times >checking. > >This is the boy who was never sick. He has "pooped" twice with some mucous, >urinates a bit, and lumbered away from me when I tired to get him off the >grass in the yard and away from the other horses this morning. He was tubed >and given banamine and Turbo- (sp) last night around ten. My Vet >thought he had shown slight improvement in the gums and the gut within an >hour. I stalled him and checked on him at four this morning and he was up >and looking for food. >At 8:30 this morning he waiting and I turned him out on the grass. He had >again pooped and there were some dry clumps which hopefully mean this is an >impaction. I think I had thought on two occasions that he seemed a bit off >this past week which could have been the beginning of a backup. I had been >cutting back as the weather warms on his feed and not so much alfalfa. >Perhaps the grass hay is too fine. Who knows. > >I have always thought God could have done better by giving us all, animals >and man, transparent skin so our health is not such a guessing game. "Ah, >you see that bulge in his intestines? Yup! Well that is an impaction so do >not worry that he has a twisted gut." etc. Jean > > > > > >Jean Gayle >Aberdeen, WA >[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" >Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] >http://www.techline.com/~jgayle >Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Linda and I hope so too. He had been playing quite hard with my big gelding yesterday and at first I was afraid Charlie might have hurt him. I think it is an impaction, hope hope. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jean, So glad to hear Gunnar is starting to improve, we will continue to think of you and your boy. Keep us informed! Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: Storme Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Gayle wrote: > > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Pray for Gunnar he is down and rolling hard. Vet is on the way. Jean I and Sally will both pray for the sweet little Gunnar. What is wrong with him? Storme
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh no. Prayers being sent. Hope the vet is there by now and all is well. Pamela
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Gayle, our thoughts and prayers are for you and gunner. Hope we hear good news in the morning. Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, OH NO!! One of the worst fears of a horse owner. I will pray that he recovers. Jean Gayle wrote: > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Pray for Gunnar he is down and rolling hard. Vet is on the way. Jean > > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Gunnar
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---Jean Gayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So is choosing the top stallion and mare a sure thing. No, certainly > not at least in this case. However, this little fellow suits my needs > at this time of my life, besides I can always say, "but he has excellent > breeding". Jean, An interesting point. Choosing the "best" to breed together does not always result in superior animals, for a variety of reasons. One of the saddest things that happens is in the department of nutrition. Some of the best foals to hit the ground are unfortunately ruined by poor nutrition in their first year of life. Read the chapter in about Carol's trip to Holland in search of good yearling fillies to buy. It's a sad story of neglect in many instances. These babies were rated highly as weanlings, then taken home and ignored by their owners. They turned out to be ugly, less than desirable yearlings. A horse's entire life can be affected by how he is fed (or not fed) during his first year. It can result in a superior animal, or in a misshapen, poorly conformed animal that hasn't had a chance to grow properly. It's a terrible waste, but it does happen, usually through ignorance not through intentional neglect. Mary == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
