Re: postgresql-server depends on client. Why?
Palle Girgensohn wrote: So, apart from the obvious "I want to upgrade the client separately (before) the server", there are no arguments for not doing it the way we do it now. But maybe that argument is enough to motivate a change? KIS is one reason we do not install clients with server (of other DBs or on other OSs). Security standard practice also recommends client software not be installed on server systems. Considering how trivial it is to split client and server ports I can't think of a good reason not to. Roger ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: postgresql-server depends on client. Why?
On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Palle Girgensohn wrote: > Thing is, we install header files and man pages in the client only, if memory > serves me right. Also, tools like createdb are in the client package. > > So, apart from the obvious "I want to upgrade the client separately (before) > the server", there are no arguments for not doing it the way we do it now. > But maybe that argument is enough to motivate a change? “want” is not part of the issue. Upgrading the client before upgrading the server is standard procedure as documented by the PostgreSQL project. > > Palle > > 17 okt 2014 kl. 16:40 skrev Olli Hauer : > >> In case the dependency on thr client will be removed all ports depending on >> the server alone at the moment should be checked if they also require the >> client part. >> Additional clients should not define a conflict with server versions < >> client version >> -- >> Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> Chris Rees wrote: >> Hi Dan, >> >> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/databases/postgresql90-server/Makefile?revision=286930&view=markup#l64 >> >> It was always supposed to be the case, however I agree that it's probably >> not necessary. >> >> Anyone mind if it doesn't depend? >> >> Chris >> >> >> On 17 October 2014 15:12:51 BST, Dan Langille wrote: >>> Why is postgresql-server dependent upon postgresql-client? >>> >>> This wasn’t the case in the past and seems to be the case not. >>> >>> Not all server installations need the client. >>> >>> In addition, upgrading the client before upgrading the server is >>> standard procedure: >>> >>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/upgrading.html >>> >>> i.e. upgrade the client, pg_dump using the new client, then upgrade >>> server, pg_restore. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> — >>> Dan Langille >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> ___ >> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > — Dan Langille signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: postgresql-server depends on client. Why?
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 04:44:47PM +0200, Palle Girgensohn wrote: > Thing is, we install header files and man pages in the client only, if memory > serves me right. Also, tools like createdb are in the client package. > > So, apart from the obvious "I want to upgrade the client separately (before) > the server", there are no arguments for not doing it the way we do it now. > But maybe that argument is enough to motivate a change? > > Palle I don't think that really make sense not to depend on the client. regards, Bapt pgpxt3T_aPFdq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: postgresql-server depends on client. Why?
Thing is, we install header files and man pages in the client only, if memory serves me right. Also, tools like createdb are in the client package. So, apart from the obvious "I want to upgrade the client separately (before) the server", there are no arguments for not doing it the way we do it now. But maybe that argument is enough to motivate a change? Palle 17 okt 2014 kl. 16:40 skrev Olli Hauer : > In case the dependency on thr client will be removed all ports depending on > the server alone at the moment should be checked if they also require the > client part. > Additional clients should not define a conflict with server versions < client > version > -- > Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > Chris Rees wrote: > Hi Dan, > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/databases/postgresql90-server/Makefile?revision=286930&view=markup#l64 > > It was always supposed to be the case, however I agree that it's probably not > necessary. > > Anyone mind if it doesn't depend? > > Chris > > > On 17 October 2014 15:12:51 BST, Dan Langille wrote: > >Why is postgresql-server dependent upon postgresql-client? > > > >This wasn’t the case in the past and seems to be the case not. > > > >Not all server installations need the client. > > > >In addition, upgrading the client before upgrading the server is > >standard procedure: > > > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/upgrading.html > > > >i.e. upgrade the client, pg_dump using the new client, then upgrade > >server, pg_restore. > > > >Thanks > > > >— > >Dan Langille > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ___ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Re: postgresql-server depends on client. Why?
In case the dependency on thr client will be removed all ports depending on the server alone at the moment should be checked if they also require the client part. Additional clients should not define a conflict with server versions < client version -- Sent from my Android phone with GMX Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Chris Rees wrote: Hi Dan, [1]http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/databases/postgresql90-serve r/Makefile?revision=286930&view=markup#l64 It was always supposed to be the case, however I agree that it's probably not necessary. Anyone mind if it doesn't depend? Chris On 17 October 2014 15:12:51 BST, Dan Langille wrote: >Why is postgresql-server dependent upon postgresql-client? > >This wasn't the case in the past and seems to be the case not. > >Not all server installations need the client. > >In addition, upgrading the client before upgrading the server is >standard procedure: > >[2] http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/upgrading.html > >i.e. upgrade the client, pg_dump using the new client, then upgrade >server, pg_restore. > >Thanks > >-- >Dan Langille -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list [3]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" References 1. http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/databases/postgresql90-server/Makefile?revision=286930&view=markup#l64 2. http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/upgrading.html 3. http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: postgresql-server depends on client. Why?
Hi Dan, Well, it has always been like that, actually. PostgreSQL does not really support installing them completely separately. PostgreSQL does support minimiziing the installation to the client only, but not really the other way around. Maybe they are independent, I didn't really check it out. http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/install-procedure.html - Towards the end of the page: "Client-only installation". There is really no information about "Server-only installation". Hence I didn't bother pursuing that track. PAlle 17 okt 2014 kl. 16:12 skrev Dan Langille : > Why is postgresql-server dependent upon postgresql-client? > > This wasn’t the case in the past and seems to be the case not. > > Not all server installations need the client. > > In addition, upgrading the client before upgrading the server is standard > procedure: > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/upgrading.html > > i.e. upgrade the client, pg_dump using the new client, then upgrade server, > pg_restore. > > Thanks > > — > Dan Langille > signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: postgresql-server depends on client. Why?
Hi Dan, http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/databases/postgresql90-server/Makefile?revision=286930&view=markup#l64 It was always supposed to be the case, however I agree that it's probably not necessary. Anyone mind if it doesn't depend? Chris On 17 October 2014 15:12:51 BST, Dan Langille wrote: >Why is postgresql-server dependent upon postgresql-client? > >This wasn’t the case in the past and seems to be the case not. > >Not all server installations need the client. > >In addition, upgrading the client before upgrading the server is >standard procedure: > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/upgrading.html > >i.e. upgrade the client, pg_dump using the new client, then upgrade >server, pg_restore. > >Thanks > >— >Dan Langille -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
