Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-26 Thread Ian Jefferson


On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Tom Marchand wrote:



> >>> Ian,
> >>>
> >>> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let
> >>> us know
> >>
> >> Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about
> >> fully
> >> abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)
> >
>
> Actually VMWare has a Mac Version which is what the poster was
> probably referring to.
> ___

FreeBSD 6.x installs and runs well as far as I can tell on VM-Ware Fusion.
This I Have done but I don't recall any specifics.  I'm pretty sure I
tried 6.1 and 6.3 but I forget which processor (amd64 vs i386).

However personal preference: I'd rather run the box native FreeBSD and not
have to bother with Mac OS X.

I was actually musing that this (VM) might be a nice way to pre-install a
complete custom system.  Install, configure, add packages, tweak your fav
kernel stuff, etc then dump/restore to a real disk and pop in to a
physical system.

I used to so something like this with NeXT systems.  Twerked good.

It all sounds promising enough to buy a new toy.  I'll let you all know
"real soon now" if/how I get it running.
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-25 Thread Kelly Martin
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Andrew Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>>
>>  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
>>>
>
> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
> ;-)
>
> With a vm, you wouldn't have to worry about Apple's hardware booting
> process.

I have several FreeBSD 6.x servers in production running as VMs in
VMWare Fusion, they work great. Portable, too. You can set Fusion to
open your FreeBSD server upon starting, then you just put Fusion in
your Login Items (under your Account settings in the System
Preferences) so that it starts when the Mac Mini boots up. Give almost
all the resources to FreeBSD and you'll have a fast machine.

The other way to do it would be with Boot Camp, to enable booting to
FreeBSD using the Mac's EFI architecture (there is no BIOS, only an
emulated BIOS). You'll need that to be able to boot other operating
systems like Windows, I have never done it with FreeBSD but do a
search on the web for "mac mini freebsd boot camp", others have gotten
it to work. Start by telling the mac you want to put Windows on... The
only caveat, it used to be that when booting the Mini you'd have to
select the FreeBSD partition manually to start it up..a. maybe Apple
already fixed Boot Camp though so it remembers what you want as
default so that it's no longer a problem. Please let us know if you
try it.

kelly
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-25 Thread George Hartzell
Bill Campbell writes:
 > [...]
 > I haven't tried FreeBSD on the Macs. [...]

-STABLE runs almost flawlessly on an 8-core late 2008 Mac PRO.
 Sometimes hangs as it's booting and you need to give the snd_hda
 driver a couple of hints to get sound out, but otherwise it rocks.

g.
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-25 Thread Tom Marchand


On Nov 25, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Bill Campbell wrote:


On Mon, Nov 24, 2008, Ian Jefferson wrote:



On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:

Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?





Ian,

You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let  
us know


Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about  
fully

abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)




Actually VMWare has a Mac Version which is what the poster was  
probably referring to.

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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-24 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>> >
>> >  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
>
>Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about fully
>abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)

There's no reason one couldn't run all the normal LAMPS stuff on the Mac
Mini with OS X.  I have apache, postgresql, mysql, php, python, perl, etc.
running on my PPC Mac Mini, all built from source.

I haven't tried FreeBSD on the Macs.  The most adventurous I've been so far
is to put Yellowdog Linux on an old 450MhZ G4 tower, mostly to see how it
worked -- pretty much the same as our other RPM-based systems running
CentOS and SuSE.

Bill
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-24 Thread Ian Jefferson


On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
> >
> >  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
> >>
> >>
>
> Ian,
>
> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
> ;-)
>

Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about fully
abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)

Ok any comment about other low power platforms?

I'm sorely tempted to just buy one (mini-intel) and promise to write up
the results on some web page somewhere.
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Gould
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>
>  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
>>
>>
> I don't know the answer to your question, but don't think it's a crazy one.
> One of the most interesting things I've seen, lately, is a hosting company
> that uses stacks of Mac Minis running OS X Server. They may not be the thing
> for mission-critical services, but for day-to-day web hosting, they are far
> better (IMHO) than the typical WinTel or Linux white box systems that fill
> colo facilities. Need redundancy? Plunk down another $500 bucks! One of
> Apple's coolest products, I think.
>
> -- John
>

Ian,

You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
;-)

With a vm, you wouldn't have to worry about Apple's hardware booting
process.

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-23 Thread John Almberg

On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:


Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?



I don't know the answer to your question, but don't think it's a  
crazy one. One of the most interesting things I've seen, lately, is a  
hosting company that uses stacks of Mac Minis running OS X Server.  
They may not be the thing for mission-critical services, but for day- 
to-day web hosting, they are far better (IMHO) than the typical  
WinTel or Linux white box systems that fill colo facilities. Need  
redundancy? Plunk down another $500 bucks! One of Apple's coolest  
products, I think.


-- John
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FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

2008-11-21 Thread Ian Jefferson

Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

I've looked around for a definitive discussion on the topic but  
couldn't find anything on this list or Google at least.


I'd like to replace a couple of relatively high power-consuming  
servers with a couple of Mac Mini Intel's.  For my purposes they are  
plenty good enough.  I'd prefer to stay with the 6.X release for now.


I've got a lot of Mac's around running OS X but in this case these  
boxes would be headless and without keyboards.  An alternate serial  
console would be nice if that can be rigged up via USB and a serial  
converter.


IJ
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