Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
I posted both those messages on saturday. I uploaded the demo site on sunday afternoon. It seems I have a problem posting to the list. I'll make the changes requested this evening. I'm also gonna start on the other static content pages. I think we should gather some photo's up of the developers to make the site a little more personal. Karl, On 1 Oct 2005, at 02:46, mike lewis wrote: On 10/1/05, Karl Lattimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After some manual tracing and cleaning, combining with the new device... Lets see how you like this! I'd like to say this: Wow! Looks very nice. Mick --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
http://www.freevo.org/testing Enjoy! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Hi, Karl Lattimer said the following on 09/30/2005 07:00 PM: After some manual tracing and cleaning, combining with the new device... Lets see how you like this! Very very cool! This looks really great. Good work. crunchy -- Suppose they held a war and nobody came? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
wow, looks really cool now. although i think the slogan is kinda out of place. the logo would be perfect for a startup/boot loading screen, but i think the proportions are not optimal for the website design. maybe if you replace the o with the yellow tv-thing. On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 18:00 +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote: After some manual tracing and cleaning, combining with the new device... Lets see how you like this! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Karl Lattimer wrote: After some manual tracing and cleaning, combining with the new device... Lets see how you like this! That is very nice, I like it. But the TV for control freaks text, I'm not sure. I prefer the old subtitle Home Theatre Platform. And maybe add a fading out rectangle behind the text, similar as the effect you see on the splash screen. Dischi -- A tree never hits an automobile except in self-defence. pgppxSfuZNyeZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
On 10/1/05, Karl Lattimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After some manual tracing and cleaning, combining with the new device... Lets see how you like this! I'd like to say this: Wow! Looks very nice. Mick --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Karl Lattimer wrote: YAWN, i'm so tired, I promised you a peek, well, I've done one layout for the website, its taken all night after having to do some other jobs... I know this problem :) I haven't set up any testing space as yet, so I can't start having you black box testing the site, there is a single page here, no graphics yet but its a start on the layout at least. If you give me a sf user name, I can add you to the developers list so you can access our webspace. [...] body div id=header FreeVo logo /div Looks nice. BTW, it's Freevo, not FreeVo. And I would prefer not to use php, perl and other stuff. Static websites are easier to handle and a simple text file for the content is ok. If you check out svn://svn.freevo.org/freevo/trunk/website you can see there is a file called news.txt. I just add a news there and the static pages can be rebuild calling ./gensite.py. Dischi -- /dev/brain0 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced: e2fsck 1.14, 9-Jan-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 e2fsck: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/brain0 Could this be a zero-length partition? pgpSbp0A4QnsU.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Karl Lattimer wrote: Could you tell me where i can find an XML definition for the format used in freevo skins? There is some basic doc in the Docs dir of Freevo. But most of it is doc in the fxd files, and much is still missing. I want to put a border around a rectangle, and i can find many xml formats which use similar syntax but non which use the same, is this pygame or something? or is it coded specifically for freevo? The skin code is specific to Freevo. And I guess I will rewrite the skin code once I moved from mevas to canvas. So I guess you can create fake screenshots now and describe what you want and we will discuss how to do it later. And maybe we can also define a new skin fxd dtd. Dischi -- VI VI VIThe editor of the beast. pgpRdaHkcCVOc.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Jason Tackaberry wrote: On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 11:14 +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote: I'd like to hear what dirk has to say about the state of skins in 2.0, and given some time over the next two evenings I may just have some cool layouts and some nice eye candy to keep you tempted. I can't speak to the skin subsystem, but I can say that the underlying canvas architecture will have no technical limitations that I can think of (except for possibly CPU limitations). Whatever you can imagine in terms of design and layout, or even how video itself interacts with the application, the canvas should be able to do. It will be possible to put video on the canvas, so if you want an interface that has a small thumbnail view of the video (even translucent if you like) in the corner while you're navigating the menus, and when you're done and want to view the video, it can slide and zoom and fade back in as it goes to full screen, the canvas will make all this possible. Now I don't know if the skin system will. I think if you have a specific need for some feature, dischi or someone else could probably add it, but I don't want to speak for him. :) Yes. Right now the skin supports no animation at all and the animation code in Freevo itself only support fade in/out and move objects. I guess we need to rewrite the skin code once you finished canvas, I integrated it and Karl wrote his ideas we need to put in fxd style. Dischi -- My opinion is neither copyrighted nor trademarked, and it's price competitive. If you like, I'll trade for one of yours. pgp2iWNbidj35.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Jason Tackaberry wrote: On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 11:42 +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote: Another thing about theming, is there any chance of mng animations being used, some simple animations when events occur could dramatically improve the appearance of freevo. mng isn't supported directly by the canvas, but it's theoretically possible. Transition animations of canvas objects are possible and just need to be programmed. (I don't know what dischi has already for mevas.) I'll think about how I might support mng on the canvas. What kinds of things would you use mngs for? Maybe the canvas module should have some basic animation subsystem. Dischi -- Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups -- alcohol, caffeine, sugar, and fat. -- Alex Levine pgpmPESBTSgxU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 09:17 +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote: However! The same style of animations can be achieved using prerendered sequences. This would probably be the best way to go, as we want freevo to be in tinsy winsy set top boxes, which don't overheat and burn our users (as per microsofts exploding xbox scenario) There are a number of effects that something like Direct3D or OpenGL provides that isn't available in the underlying canvas library. So you're right when you say pre-rendered content is the way to go. It reduces the kind of dynamic flexibility you have, but on the other hand, as long as you can render it into a png, you'll be able to recreate most effects. The canvas supports per-pixel alpha, of course, and also color filters, so you can dynamically filter the colors of a png (give it a red tint, for example). But if you think about this in terms of Gimp layers, say, you can't achieve effects like overlay, screen, etc. Only normal blending is provided. This is limits some things, but luckily it's not a serious limitation. You can still do some pretty cool themes. Jason. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Karl Lattimer wrote: [...] One thing which is getting to me alot of recent is the overuse of the blue colour, blue is a depressing colour (thats why they call it the blues) it is also cold and unwelcoming, red is too strong and angry and green is patented by microsoft for use on the xbox (no one else can use green anymore, its such a shame and i believe the irish are up in arms about it) Hey, in the end they didn't patent the odour of their farts (yet), so everybody should be happy while he can fart whithout beeing sued. That's very much my opinion on patenting colours. God should let the grass and leaves have some other colour than green,because it's patented by someone. Reminds me of the Deutsche Telekom who patented the colour magenta, and the capital letter T... Now what? Alright, let my rant aside, please show us more, Karl :-) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 12:30 +0200, Lucian Muresan wrote: Karl Lattimer wrote: [...] One thing which is getting to me alot of recent is the overuse of the blue colour, blue is a depressing colour (thats why they call it the blues) it is also cold and unwelcoming, red is too strong and angry and green is patented by microsoft for use on the xbox (no one else can use green anymore, its such a shame and i believe the irish are up in arms about it) Hey, in the end they didn't patent the odour of their farts (yet), so everybody should be happy while he can fart whithout beeing sued. That's very much my opinion on patenting colours. God should let the grass and leaves have some other colour than green,because it's patented by someone. Reminds me of the Deutsche Telekom who patented the colour magenta, and the capital letter T... Now what? Alright, let my rant aside, please show us more, Karl :-) Tonight you'll get a taste, I'm at work at the moment so i've got other things to be getting on with. One thing I wanted to raise is the splashscreen, I'm going to work on revamping this tonight, I tried a few idea's out yesterday but they didn't pan out the way I wanted them to. First off, Linux vs BSD (no not a distro war, I don't have the energy) I think it would be a good idea if we had on the splash screen, GNU/Linux - BSD - Darwin/OSX Currently for crystal I see two files, one for BSD and one for Linux. So what if the linux users don't realise it works with BSD, and they have a mac mini sitting on the shelf. I'd just have the text, we don't want to leave the Mac users out here, as freevo appears to be working on Mac/Darwin so this is good for us and especially with mac mini users out there who will be interested in using freevo if we appeal to their tastes we've got a larger market already. I don't like the shadows below the icons, I think they're too blurry and too deep, I'm going to play with this especially. Another thing about theming, is there any chance of mng animations being used, some simple animations when events occur could dramatically improve the appearance of freevo. regards, Karl --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Hi I agree with Karl, I always found that freevo, nice as it is looks a little 'blured' and too blue, and i like blue, I modded the background so that is was like sky, with my logo inthe corner, white (bits) made freevo fell more light and air and attractive to use. However i do like very much the ghosting of the tv, dvd icons when your under the menus Chris Karl Lattimer wrote: [...] One thing which is getting to me alot of recent is the overuse of the blue colour, blue is a depressing colour (thats why they call it the blues) it is also cold and unwelcoming, red is too strong and angry and green is patented by microsoft for use on the xbox (no one else can use green anymore, its such a shame and i believe the irish are up in arms about it) Hey, in the end they didn't patent the odour of their farts (yet), so everybody should be happy while he can fart whithout beeing sued. That's very much my opinion on patenting colours. God should let the grass and leaves have some other colour than green,because it's patented by someone. Reminds me of the Deutsche Telekom who patented the colour magenta, and the capital letter T... Now what? Alright, let my rant aside, please show us more, Karl :-) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Karl Lattimer wrote: I like the combination of v and o, but I'm missing the playful style of the old blurr idlebar logo (see attachment). I think at present freevo is maturing fast, and in that sense so should the design philosophy to go with it. I onlt do the hacking and wrote many times that we need designers. So every design idea is good. But for the logo, I kind of like the old one. It's only text and a small rectangle behind it, but it looks kind of nice. Maybe replace the o in the old logo by your idea of a logo. Skins and themes can play with the design as much as they like, I'm not going to restrict the way in which themers use it, or if they use it at all. (I have SVG sources for anyone who wants them) Right now, the old and new skin code is more or less the same. But when you have a nice idea for a theme that can't be done with the current skin code, we can enhance the code, no problem. Just tell me what you need. I'd like to hear what dirk has to say about the state of skins in 2.0, and given some time over the next two evenings I may just have some cool layouts and some nice eye candy to keep you tempted. Nice. Again, just design what you want and we can talk about expanding the skin core later. One thing which is getting to me alot of recent is the overuse of the blue colour, blue is a depressing colour (thats why they call it the blues) it is also cold and unwelcoming But blue doesn't distract you. Rad is an alarm color and green is also stronger than blue. red is too strong and angry and green is patented by microsoft for use on the xbox (no one else can use green anymore, its such a shame and i believe the irish are up in arms about it) What? That's the first time I heard about this. I try to respect patents and all the stuff I don't agree with, but I will not respect a color as trademark. So at least for Germany (or complete Europe), I would like to have a green skin. I can't believe they have a trademark on green here. Dischi -- printk(VFS: Busy inodes after unmount. Self-destruct in 5 seconds. Have a nice day...\n); 2.3.99-pre8 /usr/src/linux/fs/super.c pgpaO1HTbjjn4.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Karl Lattimer wrote: Another thing about theming, is there any chance of mng animations being used, some simple animations when events occur could dramatically improve the appearance of freevo. No mng files (yet). But basic animation is possible. Maybe the switch to Tacks new canvas system could also interoduce mng. Dischi -- perl -le '$_=(split(\,`$^Xdoc -q japh`))[1]..;y/pj/PJ/;print' pgpUIonOzcInQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
Could you tell me where i can find an XML definition for the format used in freevo skins? I want to put a border around a rectangle, and i can find many xml formats which use similar syntax but non which use the same, is this pygame or something? or is it coded specifically for freevo? Cheers, Karl On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 14:20 +0200, Dirk Meyer wrote: Karl Lattimer wrote: Another thing about theming, is there any chance of mng animations being used, some simple animations when events occur could dramatically improve the appearance of freevo. No mng files (yet). But basic animation is possible. Maybe the switch to Tacks new canvas system could also interoduce mng. Dischi --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
What? That's the first time I heard about this. I try to respect patents and all the stuff I don't agree with, but I will not respect a color as trademark. So at least for Germany (or complete Europe), I would like to have a green skin. I can't believe they have a trademark on green here. If you hadn't guessed, it was a joke, microsoft incidentally chose green for the xbox and xbox 360 because of the price of green vs red/blue LED's, it turns out that the cheapest of the lot is green, and thats how MS made their choice of colour... Seems sort of heartless if you ask me, sony atleast put blue ones in the PS2 because it looked cool! --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
But for the logo, I kind of like the old one. It's only text and a small rectangle behind it, but it looks kind of nice. Maybe replace the o in the old logo by your idea of a logo. Let me reiterate that the VO device is as flexible as you want it to be, also, do we have something that VO stands for i.e. Video Organiser? We can marry it with any designs that are thrown in the pot, tonight I'm gonna work on a few variations. It was simply an instant inspiration while watching the simpsons which drove me to the device I came up with. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 11:42 +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote: Another thing about theming, is there any chance of mng animations being used, some simple animations when events occur could dramatically improve the appearance of freevo. mng isn't supported directly by the canvas, but it's theoretically possible. Transition animations of canvas objects are possible and just need to be programmed. (I don't know what dischi has already for mevas.) I'll think about how I might support mng on the canvas. What kinds of things would you use mngs for? Cheers, Jason. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
I think the best thing would be, if the user could chose from about 3 or 4 different color designs. Tastes are different and personally i like blue very much. True its somewhat cold, but it is also a very calm colour. if you use red/orange, try mixing it with umber. another thing to obey is how colors look on a standard tv screen. On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 14:19 +0200, Dirk Meyer wrote: Karl Lattimer wrote: I like the combination of v and o, but I'm missing the playful style of the old blurr idlebar logo (see attachment). I think at present freevo is maturing fast, and in that sense so should the design philosophy to go with it. I onlt do the hacking and wrote many times that we need designers. So every design idea is good. But for the logo, I kind of like the old one. It's only text and a small rectangle behind it, but it looks kind of nice. Maybe replace the o in the old logo by your idea of a logo. Skins and themes can play with the design as much as they like, I'm not going to restrict the way in which themers use it, or if they use it at all. (I have SVG sources for anyone who wants them) Right now, the old and new skin code is more or less the same. But when you have a nice idea for a theme that can't be done with the current skin code, we can enhance the code, no problem. Just tell me what you need. I'd like to hear what dirk has to say about the state of skins in 2.0, and given some time over the next two evenings I may just have some cool layouts and some nice eye candy to keep you tempted. Nice. Again, just design what you want and we can talk about expanding the skin core later. One thing which is getting to me alot of recent is the overuse of the blue colour, blue is a depressing colour (thats why they call it the blues) it is also cold and unwelcoming But blue doesn't distract you. Rad is an alarm color and green is also stronger than blue. red is too strong and angry and green is patented by microsoft for use on the xbox (no one else can use green anymore, its such a shame and i believe the irish are up in arms about it) What? That's the first time I heard about this. I try to respect patents and all the stuff I don't agree with, but I will not respect a color as trademark. So at least for Germany (or complete Europe), I would like to have a green skin. I can't believe they have a trademark on green here. Dischi --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: website themes
renders just fine in opera 8.5 and looks great. On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 22:41 +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote: YAWN, i'm so tired, I promised you a peek, well, I've done one layout for the website, its taken all night after having to do some other jobs... I haven't set up any testing space as yet, so I can't start having you black box testing the site, there is a single page here, no graphics yet but its a start on the layout at least. This is a pure CSS layout, i'm testing in firefox and it works perfectly, anyone with IE 6 wanna help me out as I live in a windows free world, if there is a problem in IE please screenshot it to me via email. Regards, Karl --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Power Architecture Resource Center: Free content, downloads, discussions, and more. http://solutions.newsforge.com/ibmarch.tmpl ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
