Re: g_b (unknown)

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Hi,

One interesting game: In this video, there are twins wearing Back and White
T-Shirts respectively. Just guess which one is Gay before it is revealed in
the video. To me the identification is instantaneous and obvious.

Do not post here who is gay - just post whether you guessed it correctly or
not.

Preyas.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:58 PM, asfan  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Aditya, I am QUITE aware of Epigenetics but it is STILL a theory.  Has
> anyone
> really proved the effect of male hormones on the brain, especially on the
> hippocampus
> (one absurd contention that it is larger in gays!).  I shall know for sure
> that the theory
> is correct only when there is substantial proof.
> Cheers,
> asfan
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/8/11, Aditya Bondyopadhyay * wrote:
>
>
> From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay 
> Subject: Re: g_b (unknown)
>
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 3 August, 2011, 12:12 PM
>
>
>
> Asfan, sorry to say this but Epigenetics is not just a theory. There is a
> lot of research happening on epigenetic markers and it is very much part of
> current science that is proved. Other examples of epigenetic markers that
> are being researched is the cases where one of idntical twins develop
> leukemia while the other does not, although both carry the same genes
> responsible.
> Best,
> Aditya B
>
> On 3 August 2011 06:24, asfan 
> http://in.mc956.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=asfa...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> **
>
> Interesting, but  still a theory.
> No definite proof.
>
> asfan
>
> --- On *Tue, 2/8/11, Anon Anon 
> http://in.mc956.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aqueer...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Anon Anon 
> http://in.mc956.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aqueer...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >
> Subject: g_b (unknown)
> To: 
> gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 2 August, 2011, 4:47 PM
>
>
>  Dear All,
>
> Please go though the link
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saO_RFWWVVA&feature=share
>
> Regards
>
> Sachin
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
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>
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Re: g_b Married in Public, Gay in Private--NDTV show tonight-Friday night 9.30 pm

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This was a good program. At least the society is now realizing the
impact of displaced moralistic views on wives of gay men.

Actually there is one step further. What about impact on children of
such marriages? Hopefully wife may get married after divorce and being
an adult will have some maturity get on with her life. But what about
children who suddenly become fatherless or motherless with no apparent
cause?

I was disappointed that this was not covered in the program.

Preyas.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM,  wrote:
>
>
> Married in Public, Gay in Private
> By Sutapa Deb, Wednesday August 19, 2009
>
> http://www.ndtv.com/news/blogs/double_lives/married_in_public_gay_in_private.php
>
>
>
> Not many people would have paid attention to an item buried in the newspaper
> about a murder most foul in the crowded textile city of Kanpur - a murder
> apparently prompted by a surreptitious relationship.
>
> Rajendra Kumar Dwivedi was 38-years-old and married to Shakuntala for 15
> years. The couple had no children.
>
> Dwivedi had not held a regular job for some time. Four years ago he struck
> up an unlikely friendship with a man from a different economic and social
> background. He was the Deputy Chief Medical officer of Allahabad, Dr K D Raj
> Srivastava. The doctor was married and had a 28-year-old son.
>
> Dwivedi's family says it was an adulterous gay relationship, but neither men
> were out of the closet.
>
> Dwivedi died of head injuries on July 20 after he was allegedly beaten by
> the doctor's son
>
> While the police are investigating the case, the doctor and his son are
> absconding.
>
> The murder pointed to a disturbing and hidden phenomenon of men who engage
> in sexual activity with other men, regardless of the fact that they are
> married to women and have children. None of these men are known socially as
> gays or bisexuals.
>
> There is now a supportive and vibrant gay movement in the country, yet only
> a small population is visible and identified as gay.
>
> Many men who have sexual relations with other men do not consider themselves
> as gay nor are they labelled so by others.
>
> The meaning of gay is often mistakenly associated with the stereotype of men
> who are effiminate or transgenders.
>
> There is a diverse group that is not taken into account. Now public health
> professionals have started using the term MSM to refer to all men who have
> sex with other men, whether they identify themselves as gay, bisexual,
> transgender or heterosexual.
>
> Though there are no precise numbers of MSM, the numbers are believed to be
> surprisingly large.
>
> Many live as heterosexuals among their community, marry and have children.
>
> Those who were not married, would eventually get married.
>
> Little data is available, but there is anecdotal evidence from MSM who visit
> cruising sites, gay bars and gay parties to meet others.
>
> The issue of being married in public, gay in private raises a range of
> ethical concerns, particularly those involving their wives.
>
> But as we speak to a crosssection of MSM, we find an unwillingness to
> explore these concerns in depth. It stems from their understanding that THEY
> are the victims...having been pushed underground by a society that has
> stigmatised male to male sexual relations.
>
> Last month the Delhi High Court overturned Section 377 of the IPC, which
> criminalised gay sex between consenting adults. It was a victory but the
> reality on the ground is slow to change and negativity around MSMs continues
> to exist..
>
> They say that to belong to the mainstream, the straight world, and to
> maintain bonds with their families and community, they are compelled to
> marry.
>
> In South Asia, marriage is compulsory for social and religious reasons. Some
> choose to marry since in a patriarchial society, there is convenience in
> marriage. It also provides the perfect cover.
>
> With MSM leading double lives, a majority of wives remain unaware of these
> clandestine encounters for years.
>
> Little is known of what they go through when they learn their trust has been
> betrayed.
>
> We find MSM are candid about their personal lives, but reluctant to allow us
> to meet their wives, even in cases where they are out of the closet to them.
>
> Watch our special show, Married in Public, Gay in Private, Friday at 9:30 pm
> (IST) on NDTV 24x7.
>
>
>
>
>
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g_b Pemelop Cruz treatment available

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Penelope Cruz ignited ‘sexual desire’ in gay director

”Broken Embraces” director Pedro Almodovar has confessed that Penelope
Cruz ignited “sexual desire” in him during the shooting of the film,
even though he is gay.

Read more at:
http://www.111indianews.com/penelope-cruz-ignited-%E2%80%98sexual-desire%E2%80%99-in-gay-director-7422

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Re: g_b how will i fi nd my partner

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I guess, pre op refers to "before gender change operation"

Preyas

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:06 AM,  wrote:
>
>
> Moderator ,
>
> What the hell are / is  pre op ?
>
> Hormone understandable - although post usage brings in all forms of
> complications - thats another story , but pre op , I am absolutely floored .
>
> Goodness this era of abbreviations !!
>
> Perhaps here in the UK , we may know it differently , if at all .
>
> Tapesh
>
> London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Message Received: Aug 06 2009, 06:28 PM
>> From: "Aditya Bondyopadhyay"
>> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: g_b how will i fi nd my partner
>>
>>
>
>>
> Why do you only want to consider those who are taking hormones pre-ops as
> your partner..?? What is wrong with those who are not taking hormones...or
> are post-ops..???
> Best,
> Aditya B
>>
>>
> 2009/8/6 Tejashree Tari 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> hi
>>
>> im 38 yrs old and wish to have gay partner w ho is taking harmones pre op
>> in mumbai
>>
>>
>> >
>> 
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Re: g_b Precautions to keep swine flu at bay

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I think Swine flu transmission is more probable during hetero sex than
homo sex as faces of the two person are close to each other more
often.

So I think 377 should be 'read up' to hetero sex.

Preyas.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM, naughty
confessions wrote:
>
>
> Precautions to keep swine flu at bay
>
> Thu, Aug 6 11:57 AM
>
> The deadly Swine Flu has reached the Indian shores following the global
> outbreak and now, claimed one life. However, Swine Flu is certainly one of
> those diseased where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Here
> are ten tips for you to keep away from the pandemic.
>
> 1. Wash your hands frequently
>
> Use the antibacterial soaps to cleanse your hands. Wash them often, at least
> 15 seconds and rinse with running water.
>
> 2. Get enough sleep
>
> Try to get 8 hours of good sleep every night to keep your immune system in
> top flu-fighting shape.
>
> 3. Drink sufficient water
>
> Drink 8 to10 glasses of water each day to flush toxins from your system and
> maintain good moisture and mucous production in your sinuses.
>
> 4. Boost your immune system
>
> Keeping your body strong, nourished, and ready to fight infection is
> important in flu prevention. So stick with whole grains, colorful
> vegetables, and vitamin-rich fruits.
>
> 5. Keep informed
>
> The government is taking necessary steps to prevent the pandemic and
> periodically release guidelines to keep the pandemic away. Please make sure
> to keep up to date on the information and act in a calm manner.
>
> 6. Avoid alcohol
>
> Apart from being a mood depressant, alcohol is an immune suppressant that
> can actually decrease your resistance to viral infections like swine flu. So
> stay away from alcoholic drinks so that your immune system may be strong.
>
> 7. Be physically active
>
> Moderate exercise can support the immune system by increasing circulation
> and oxygenating the body. For example brisk walking for 30-40 minutes 3-4
> times a week will significantly perk up your immunity.
>
> 8. Keep away from sick people
>
> Flu virus spreads when particles dispersed into the air through a cough or
> sneeze reach someone else’s nose. So if you have to be around someone who
> is sick, try to stay a few feet away from them and especially, avoid
> physical contact.
>
> 9. Know when to get help
>
> Consult your doctor if you have a cough and fever and follow their
> instructions, including taking medicine as prescribed.
>
> 10. Avoid crowded areas
>
> Try to avoid unnecessary trips outside.
>
> 



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Re: g_b My best friend’s gay…So what?

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Wow Harish! What a friend! I liked the last sentence: "I only wish he
could see himself the way I see him.”

Preyas

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Aham wrote:
>
>
> Fag Hags play a very important role in our lives. :) My fag-hag  hated the
> fact that I was in the closet... and very confidently outed me in her
> college. And I was a little angry with her for that. But then, she knew me
> very well... and knew that i could manage. I really could manage.I was shy
> and skeptical being interviewed as gay by her for her college project... and
> see, today, see, her conviction stood the test.. I am so out of the
> closet.that i have lost count of the number of colleges that I have come out
> in. I was invited as a judge to a SoBo college, and when asked about whether
> i am single by some female students who were doing plain  masti when I was
> on stage,  I promptly answered, no I am single and gay. Haaa.. i laugh
> looking at my closeted past... now.. and cant believe that i was so scared
> to speak of my sexuality then.
>
> Married to the most earthy yet heavenly  voice...  The love and the bond we
> share... remains untouched by success or popularity of our lives...
>
> Here is the interview of my best friend... Sheetal Kher. and me.
>
> 
> Article:   http://trunc.it/15nes
>
> My best friend’s gay…So what?
> On this Friendship’s Day, Sheetal Kher goes down memory lane to the day when
> her best friend Harish Iyer came out of the closet and confided in her.
> By Kavita Nair
> Posted On Sunday, August 02, 2009 at 10:38:25 PM
>
>
>
> A best friend is someone who stands up for you during petty school fights,
> or trusts you when the whole world doubts your capabilities. This is exactly
> how an ideal best friend is supposed to be.  Well what would one do on
> realising that their best pal is gay or lesbian?
>
>
>
> Considering how the society we live in is still not completely open about
> gay rights, friends are becoming the ‘new family’ people confide into. Two
> years ago, social activist Harish Iyer came out of the closet and told his
> best friend Sheetal Kher about it and all she said was “cool”. On being
> asked as to how easy was it for her to accept that fact, she says, “Firstly,
> it is not some kind of an illness or a disease that I need to accept, it is
> just a part of his life and that too a personal thing. His sexual
> preferences do not make him a bad human being. My whole concern was how he
> was dealing with it.”
>
>
>
> She further adds, “I do not want him to be known as a ‘gay icon’, I want
> people to know him for the person he is. The fact that he is a social
> activist is not something that he is known for. There is more to his
> personality than just that. People must realise that his being gay does not
> mean that he is not capable of contributing to the society in any positive
> manner.”
>
>
>
> “If he brings a date along when we meet, I team up with his date and bully
> him. Isn’t that what you’d do when your straight friend does the same,” she
> winks and adds cheekily. Harish proudly states, “She was the first person I
> told it to and she was very supportive of me. In fact she talked me into
> coming out of my closet and believing in myself.” Their closeness is
> reflected in the fact that every year they spend their birthdays together
> and at the same orphanage. They continue their fight against child abuse
> through the documentaries that they produce.
>
>
>
> At the end, all Sheetal wishes for her best friend is fame and recognition
> for the person he is and she sums it up by getting a little emotional and
> saying,” I only wish he could see himself the way I see him.”
>
> 



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Re: g_b Lessons of God....

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At least it helped me learn a new word - 'inane: lacking significance,
meaning, or point : silly' :-)

Preyas

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Aditya Bondyopadhyay
 wrote:
>
>
>
> Freedom of Expression, of which I am an ardent fan, often has its 
> downsidesinane mails about inane things targeted at supposed inane beings 
> assault your mailbox and you cannot even wish their inane writers away
>
> Que sera sera...
> Aditya B
>
>
> On 01/08/2009, ♥♥(R) r...@\/| $|-|@|\/@|\/k...@r ($)♥♥ 
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lessons of God...
>>
>>
>>
>> I was lonely.
>> I thought I had no one,
>> but then you brought some
>> wonderful new friends into my life.
>>
>> I thought the world was
>> cold, cruel, and unjust,
>> and then you opened up my heart again
>> through another's kindness.
>>
>> I thought there were no good options,
>> but you placed some before me.
>>
>> I believed that my efforts
>> amounted to nothing,
>> but you rewarded me
>> in unexpected ways.
>>
>> I thought that there was no way
>> to cope with my pain,
>> but you provided a means.
>>
>> I thought I would never be happy again,
>> but you slowly made the sun trickle
>> through the clouds.
>>
>> I thought I was weak,
>> but you showed me
>> how very strong I can be.
>>
>> I thought I'd never complete my goals,
>> but you helped me every step of the way.
>>
>> I though you had abandoned me,
>> and then you sent me many beautiful signs
>> to let me know that you're still there.
>>
>> I thought badly of myself,
>> but you brought my best to the fore,
>> and reminded me that I can accomplish anything.
>>
>> I needed something more in my life than
>> what I had, and you provided it
>> just when I needed it most.
>>
>> I thought you were punishing me, until I
>> realized that the trials you gave me
>> helped me grow.
>>
>> I was crushed from disappointment,
>> but you acted in my best interest
>> and brought me even greater opportunities.
>>
>> I wanted to die to escape my grief,
>> but you revealed the beauty of life
>> and reminded me that I have not
>> yet completed my mission here on earth.
>>
>> I thought my whole world was falling apart,
>> but you showed me that a new day will come.
>> pointing out that I'm beautiful and strong
>> as long as your heart rests in mine.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "
>>
>>
>>
>>
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g_b Govt buys time to soothe anti-gay sentiment

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Update from meeting between 3 ministers..

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Govt-buys-time-to-soothe-anti-gay-sentiment/articleshow/4832084.cms

===
NEW DELHI: The decision to ask the Union Cabinet to take a final call on the
recent Delhi High Court judgement legalising adult gay sex may only

help the government buy more time to soothe the angry feelings it has
invoked among various religious communities.

The latest move by a three-member panel comprising home minister P
Chidambaram, law minister Veerappa Moily and health minister Ghulam Nabi
Azad - tasked by the prime minister to formulate a view on whether Section
377 needed to be updated/scrapped - to seek a consensus within the Cabinet
comes even as their own opinion is in favour of the judgement legalising sex
between consenting adult homosexuals.

At the meeting on Tuesday, there was broad agreement that HC judgement
scrapping a particular provision of Section 377 regarding consensual gay sex
between adults was “balanced”, as it had left the provisions criminalising
non-consensual sex between homosexuals as well as sodomy intact.


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Re: g_b Ways to deal with homophobia

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Good article. Looks like New Yorkers have not heard about Gandhigiri yet!

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:30 AM, S S  wrote:

>
>
>
> Censoring other people's homophobic rants can boomrang, but cussing them
> could be kosher sometimes :-)
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/nyregion/28nyc.html (may require
> registration)
>
>  
>



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g_b Study: HBO leads on TV in showing gay characters

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*(From
http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/07/27/study-hbo-showtime-abc-lead-among-networks-for-depicting-gay-characters-in-their-programs-19710/
)*

*Study: HBO leads on TV in showing gay characters*

NEW YORK — HBO scored highest among 15 networks for its representation of
gay characters last season, according to a report released Monday.

In its third annual Network Responsibility Index, the Gay & Lesbian Alliance
Against Defamation found that of HBO’s 14 original prime-time series, 10
included content reflecting the lives of gay, bisexual and transgender
people. That totaled 42 percent of the network’s programming hours, in
series such as “True Blood,” ”Entourage” and “The No. 1 Ladies’ Detective
Agency.”

By contrast, on NBC and CBS only 8 percent and 5 percent, respectively, of
prime-time hours included them, the report said.

For the report, GLAAD reviewed all prime-time programming — totaling 4,901
hours — for inclusion of such characters or issues on the five major
networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and the CW) from June 1, 2008, to May 31, 2009.
The study also examined all original prime-time programming — 1,213 hours —
on 10 prominent cable networks. The programming included dramas, comedies,
unscripted fare and newsmagazines.

Cable’s Showtime ranked second, with 26 percent of its programming hours
featuring gay characters or themes. Series included “The L Word,” ”Weeds”
and “The United States of Tara,” a new comedy about a family whose teenage
son is gay.
ABC got the highest ranking of the five broadcast networks, with 24 percent.
It was the second year in a row that ABC led the broadcasters.

---




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- Preyas
For true friendship..

g_b Limited online preview of "The man who was a women..."

[Tat Twam]

Devdutt Pattanaik's book "The man who was a woman and other queer tales of
Hindu lore" has limited preview on Google books:

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Odsk9xfOp6oC&dq=%22The+man+who+was+a+woman%22

Warning: After reading few stories, you will go out and buy the book.

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For true friendship..

g_b Bill Gates on 377

[Tat Twam]

Asked whether homosexuality should be legalised in India, Gates said, "I
come from the US where notion of social freedom is strong. Being gay is not
illegal and sometimes seems the right choice. I don't vote in India. I feel
that as societies have got wealthy, attitude towards issues like
homosexuality tends to improve. I hope over time, the same happens in
India."

From:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/India/Ending-polio-Now-or-never/articleshow/4813240.cms

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For true friendship..

g_b Gay Marriage article in WSJ

[Tat Twam]

Though marriage in nowhere on the radar right now for us, here is an
interesting read. The conservative financial Wall Street Journal has carried
an article on Gay Marriage:

Blog about it:
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/david-boies-gay-marriage-wsj-triumph/discrimination/2009/07/20/4235
The
article http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804515860263587.html

“The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the right to marry the person
you love is so fundamental that states cannot abridge it.”

“The occasional suggestion that marriages between people of different sexes
may somehow be threatened by marriages of people of the same sex does not
withstand discussion. It is difficult to the point of impossibility to
envision two love-struck heterosexuals contemplating marriage to decide
against it because gays and lesbians also have the right to marry; it is
equally hard to envision a couple whose marriage is troubled basing the
decision of whether to divorce on whether their gay neighbors are married or
living in a domestic partnership.”

The comments below the article are interesting.


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For true friendship..

Re: g_b Fwd: A judgement for India, by Dr Karan Singh

[Tat Twam]

This reads like it is written by a queer activist..
Preyas

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Aditya Bondyopadhyay
wrote:

>
>
>
> *very important article. pls forward widely*
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-judgment-for-india/489925/0
>
> The Indian Penal Code insofar as it criminalises consensual sexual
> acts of adults in private is violative of Article 14, 15 and 21 of the
> Constitution.” These words in the Delhi high court judgment of July 1,
> 2009 have stated the situation clearly and unambiguously. Indeed, it
> is surprising that an outmoded colonial law, introduced during
> Victorian times, should have remained on our statute book for so many
> years since Independence. Our former colonial masters’ motivation for
> the law was clear: to prevent any physical contact between the young
> British civil and military officers who came out to administer India
> and the “natives”; its equivalent in the United Kingdom was repealed
> decades ago.
>
> We are perhaps the last liberal-democratic country in the world to
> have decriminalised gay sex, and now join 126 countries around the
> world that have already done so. This will come as a long-awaited
> relief to a particularly vulnerable section of society which, even if
> we accept claims that it is only 2 per cent of our population against
> the generally-accepted figure of 10 per cent, would include over 20
> million people.
>
> The judgment has sparked off a lively debate; the media, both
> electronic and print, has been largely supportive. Some points need to
> be clarified. The judgment in no way propagates gay sex; all it does
> is to ensure the fundamental right of equality, non-discrimination and
> personal liberty guaranteed to every Indian citizen under our
> Constitution. It is also important to note that it does not
> decriminalise non-consensual sex or paedophilia, which will remain
> cognisable offence subject to severe punishment.
>
> The argument that some religious leaders are against the judgment
> cannot become a deciding factor. I recall that, when in the early ’50s
> Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and B.R. Ambedkar piloted the Hindu Code Bill
> through Parliament, there were a large number of Hindu leaders —
> including some Shankaracharyas — who were strongly opposed to it, as
> was then-President Rajendra Prasad. Nonetheless, they pushed it
> through, thereby ensuring that the 800 million Hindus in India today
> live in a much more equitable and fair society than earlier.
> Similarly, all Christian denominations are not against gay sex. The
> Roman Catholic Church certainly is; they also oppose contraception,
> but that does not mean that we should stop our family welfare and
> condom distribution programmes. As far as Muslim communities are
> concerned, conservative leaders might certainly take a rigid attitude
> — but younger people are likely to be less dogmatic. In any case, if
> one looks at the great Sufi tradition within Islam, we find that they
> celebrated love, both human and divine, in all its multifaceted glory.
>
> The argument that this is against nature is also not viable. To begin
> with, for the gay or LGBT community, their particular lifestyle is
> apparently as natural as heterosexual relationships are to the rest of
> society. Also this argument of nature can be pushed to extremes. It is
> not “natural”, after all, to wear clothes; or to eat cooked food.
> Nature is much more varied and inclusive than many realise, and
> alternative sexuality has been found in almost all cultures, ancient
> and modern, around the world.
>
> It is often forgotten that some of the greatest artists and musicians,
> rulers and conquerors, philosophers and poets in history have been gay
> or bisexual. Same-sex love was one of the bases of the ancient Greek
> civilisation that produced such great thinkers as Socrates, Plato and
> Aristotle who laid the philosophical foundations of Western
> civilisation. In India, too, the Kama Sutra clearly mentions same-sex
> love in a very matter of fact manner, and the Khajuraho sculptures
> depict it graphically. In our magnificent iconography, the ultimate
> integration of the masculine and feminine archetypes is found in the
> great concept of Shiva Ardhanareshwara; in the broader philosophical
> context, the Vedanta believes that the divine resides in all human
> beings, in which case discrimination on any basis including sexual
> preference is unacceptable.
>
> To conclude, therefore, one can say that the historic judgment of the
> Delhi high court marks a positive step in widening the scope of our
> inclusive democratic structure, and rescuing millions of citizens from
> the shadow of an archaic and outmoded colonial legacy.
>
> The writer is a Rajya Sabha MP expr...@expressindia.com
>
> --
>
>  
>



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For true friendship..

g_b Gay-lesbian course at UoP sets an example for other universities

[Tat Twam]

Now that the parties are over and (possibly) long wait at Supreme courts,
there are many things people are planning. Here is an updates on education
front:
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/gaylesbian-course-at-uop-sets-an-example-for-other-universities/490051/
Hope that the departments of psychology, medicine etc. will also start
special courses now.Preyas
-

Gay-lesbian course at UoP sets an example for other universities
Sunanda Mehta
Posted: Jul 16, 2009 at 0254 hrs IST

Pune When the University of Pune (UoP) started a Lesbian Gay Bisexual
Transgender (LGBT) course in 2007, it was the second university in the
country, after University of Hyderabad, to do so. Then, the UoP initially
even had to put a disclaimer saying that one doesn’t have to be gay to take
the course.
Today even as two of its students take up LGBT topics for MPhil research,
other universities are mulling over the possibility of getting the
Department of English, that conducts the LGBT course, to hold a workshop on
it for their teachers, reflecting a significant change in the academia’s
mindset.

“The other day, two professors from outside Pune — PC Kar from the
University of Baroda and CJ Jahagirdhar from Kolhapur University — visited
us and were of the opinion that we should conduct workshop for college-level
lecturers on the LGBT course on their campuses. It shows a welcome change in
the attitude of the academic fraternity,” said Raj Rao, professor of English
at the UoP, whose persistence resulted in the LGBT course seeing the light
of the day.

Rao is now hopeful that the scrapping of Section 377 will help further in
extending the course, which has been taken up only by the Jawaharlal Nehru
University after Hyderabad and Pune, to other universities in the country.

“It’s strange how the academic fraternity that has always been quick to
accept all kinds of literature — Marxist, feminist, Dalit — had a huge
reservation when it came to queer literature. For years, the Board of
Studies refused to let us start the course saying that ‘Indian students do
not need it’. Finally we clubbed it with Dalit literature and started it
under the genre of Alternative Literature,” Rao says.

Despite the resistance, 20 students enrolled for the one-semester course in
the first year and 15 opted for it in the second year. This year, the course
has taken further strides with two students doing their MPhil based on the
course topics.

“I took up the topic because it was challenging and different,” says Kailas
Kalapahad from Ahmednagar who is basing his thesis on Yaraana, a collection
of short stories on homosexuality. Kalapahad admits that initially he had to
explain his choice of topic to his peers and family.

Richa Singh from Meerut, the other student to take up MPhil based on LGBT
topics, says that the opposition she faced ranged from disdain to vehement
protests from her peers, who even said that they feared for her safety.
“Probably they even suspect our sexuality but don’t say so,” grins the
25-year-old who has been selected for a 10-month scholarship by Tubinger
University in Germany and would be researching her thesis there.

While both the students say that there is no dearth of study material, they
admit that thesis on LGBT studies are almost non-existent. “Everyone seems
to want to take up safer topics for research,” says Singh.

Rao, however, feels that LGBT issues have the maximum potential for
research. “All other topics have been done to death. These are new and full
of possibilities.”

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For true friendship..

Re: g_b blood donation and homosexuals

[Tat Twam]

Seems times have not changed since the following discussion happened
in the mailing list Pasting it to refresh the minds...

Preyas..
-
Dear Sumit, Billy, Aryan and others

I had a similar experience in being disallowed from donating blood at
a blood donation camp a few months back held at my institute. I am
openly gay and a PhD student in evolutionary biology at the National
Centre for Biological Sciences, Bangalore. I had to, before donating
blood, sign a consent form that also doubles as a screening form of
sorts (the "filter"). The form required people engaged in "homosexual
sex" over the past six months to refrain from donating blood, in
addition to people who had indulged in "unprotected casual sex". I
found this annoying and discriminatory. I approached the doctor in
charge of the camp, told her that I was gay and queried her the
reasons for preventing homosexual men from donating blood. She could
not handle the fact that she was speaking to an openly gay person and
asked a nurse to talk to me. As I waited for the nurse to finish her
work on another donor, I tried to talk to the doctor but she refused
to even acknowledge my presence! I was absolutely outraged but managed
to stay calm. The nurse also had a tough time in talking to me. She
asked me if I had "done all these things", "homosex" for the past six
months and tried to explain high-risk categories, donor deferral, the
window period and so on. She even thanked me for being frank about it
and that it had saved them (the blood bank) some trouble!! I was
exasperated at the lack of sensitivity, awareness and training on part
of both the doctor and the nurse in as much as they could not handle
the situation at all. The discrimination in the consent form was part
of the issue of not being allowed to donate blood. I had no intention
to disturb the camp's activities and so complained to the managing
trustee and director of the blood bank, also a doctor, through a
mutual acquaintance. I have been out to everyone at work (and
elsewhere), and many people who heard of the incident later spoke to
me in support and expressed their outrage, or sober disagreement with
the discriminatory act.

The doctor-trustee e-mailed me apologizing for the incident and we
arranged to meet and discuss the incident, reasons for donor deferral
and possibilities, if any, in terms of remedial measures. She was very
understanding and agreed that the wording in the consent form was
discriminatory. She expressed her surprise that it had escaped their
attention that the staff were not trained to handle queers and  other
sexual minorities. This was because, she claimed, they had never faced
a situation where someone who identified him/herself as queer had
approached them questioning their actions. The lack of policy and
training was in some ways, she accepted, was a lack of anticipation or
belief of such incidents having to occur despite being aware and
concerned of gay rights. We discussed the incident in detail and she
informed me that the doctor in question was a new recruit who had
previously been in government blood banks where these issues are
mostly given an eyewash. She informed me that the doctor was
reprimanded and instructed on handling gay donors in order she may
face similar situations in future with understanding, concern and with
respect to the dignity of the donor (if it were possible!).

On donor deferral, she informed me that although they test every
donated sample, the sensitivity of the available tests during the
window period (for HIV) prevented them from using samples from groups
identified as "high risk", including homosexuals. She drew attention
to statistics available for America and Europe (not India) that point
to a drastic cut, over a decade, in the number of contaminated samples
after consent forms were modified to identify high risk persons. I can
appreciate their point on the sensitivity of the tests, which is
scientific, but is it safe to assume that the number of contaminated
samples dropped after modified consent forms were introduced? I do not
have access to these studies, but couldn't help wonder if other
reasons such as increased condom usage etc and increased awareness
among the "high-risk" communities be a reason for the drop? I am not
sure if comparable numbers of donors from the "high-risk" communities
existed over the decade to give credence to the dropping graph. With
these reasonable arguments in mind, I wondered if we could do
something practical to change things at the blood bank. The blood bank
in question is one of the largest in Bangalore and as the doctor
informed me, with the responsibility to advise the Karnataka
government in drafting guidelines on blood donation and blood bank
policy. She outlined the steps that she would undertake as the
managing trustee of the blood bank to change things.

1. All discriminatory wording in the

Re: g_b 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality--Ramdev may go to court against them

[Tat Twam]

Thanks Mukul..

Actually there is one more category for Baba Ramdev to go after:
People wearing specs!

He constantly claims that Short (or long) sightedness is curable by
Pranayama. Let him go to Supreme court to put all specs wearing people
in Jail. Definitely nose is not made for wearing specs and it is
unnatural use.

Preyas

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Mukul wrote:
>
>
> Extremely Well said Preyas,Some one literaly raise question to him on this
> aspect!!wonderful
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Tat Twam  wrote:
>
> From: Tat Twam 
> Subject: Re: g_b 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality--Ramdev may go
> to court against them
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 2:14 PM
>
> Actually, he will go against all married couples also because:
>
> 1. marriage is unnatural - Humans created the institution.
> 2. Yoga asks to practice brahmacharya.
>
> Preyas.
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Sanjay Lulla
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The subject matter of the rumours is absurd and insane! The pranayams and
>> asanas are to make body organs, internal and external, to function better
>> and not to modify them or make them stop functioning in anyway or change
>> the
>> natural pattern. I write this because the breathing technique may
>> influence
>> the brains to produce chemicals and hormones. But it is to open all locks
>> and not for modification of the gray compartments. I am no authority in
>> this
>> area but I believe this much as a layman. Correct me if I am wrong?
>>  and they say I am weird-queerlittle prince-Sanjay N Lulla
>>  
>>
>> was being sarcastic about ramdev and his claim that homosexuality is a
>> unnatural , and can be cured with yoga asanas
>> incidentally, did you notice, he has been the first to go to the court
>> against the delhi hc judgment?
>>
>> regards
>> moderator
>>
>>
>
> --
> - Preyas
> For true friendship..
>
> 



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For true friendship..

Re: g_b 1,500 animal species practice homosexuality--Ramdev may go to court against them

[Tat Twam]

Actually, he will go against all married couples also because:

1. marriage is unnatural - Humans created the institution.
2. Yoga asks to practice brahmacharya.

Preyas.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Sanjay Lulla wrote:
>
>
> The subject matter of the rumours is absurd and insane! The pranayams and
> asanas are to make body organs, internal and external, to function better
> and not to modify them or make them stop functioning in anyway or change the
> natural pattern. I write this because the breathing technique may influence
> the brains to produce chemicals and hormones. But it is to open all locks
> and not for modification of the gray compartments. I am no authority in this
> area but I believe this much as a layman. Correct me if I am wrong?
>  and they say I am weird-queerlittle prince-Sanjay N Lulla
> 
>
> was being sarcastic about ramdev and his claim that homosexuality is a
> unnatural , and can be cured with yoga asanas
> incidentally, did you notice, he has been the first to go to the court
> against the delhi hc judgment?
>
> regards
> moderator
>
> 



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For true friendship..

Re: g_b pointers for public debates

[Tat Twam]

This show is now available as online video at
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/new/Ndtv-Show-Special.aspx?ID=213

Preyas
Bangalore

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:24 AM, asfan wrote:
>
>
> I won't be able to watch "We the People" as I shan't be at home then.  Could
> anyone inform me as to when the repeat telecast be? I would be very
> thankful.
> asfan
>
> --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Vikram D  wrote:
>
> From: Vikram D 
> Subject: g_b pointers for public debates
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Re: g_b A matrimonial site for bisexuals (for M2W, M2M, W2W marriages)

[Tat Twam]

This is a good article on LGBT demographics:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Gay-count-varies-from-2-to-13-of-population/articleshow/4731097.cms

Preyas.

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:32 PM, asfan wrote:
>
>
> Where did you get these statistics from?  They seem to be at variance with
> other studies that have shown that 10% of the male population is homosexual.
> Would you please disclose your sources?
> Thanks,
> Asfan.
>
> --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Prashant  wrote:
>
> From: Prashant 
> Subject: g_b A matrimonial site for bisexuals (for M2W, M2M, W2W
> marriages)Date: Thursday, 28 May, 2009, 11:44 AM
>
> Friends,
>
>
> In any society about 2-3 per cent people take birth as homosexuals and about
> 7-8 per cent as bisexuals. India, thus, with an estimated population of 1..1
> billion people has about 8 crore (80 million) bisexuals. Half of these are
> men and half women.
>
>
>
>
>
> 



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g_b TOI: Law that criminalizes homosexuality to go

[Tat Twam]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Anti-gay-law-may-be-changed-soon/articleshow/4711198.cms

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For true friendship..

Re: g_b shame on us!

[Tat Twam]

The real shame will be if this is not followed up with the highest
authorities in Police and media. There may or may not be support from
Police, but it should not stop us from raising the voice now. If
photos from mobile cameras or names of the police are available, it
will be helpful in substantiating the case.

Does this also mean that parties when conducted outside crowded city
areas are inherently dangerous? What can organizers do apart from
bribing police up front? One thing for sure, is at least they should
not break the law about loudness of music, serving liquor etc.

Preyas

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, lgbtindiagroup wrote:
>
>
> courtesy gb list
> 
>
> Shame on us! Or The story of the "reverse gear"...
> Posted by: "kamble zameer" zam...@yahoo.de zamkam
> Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:37 am (PDT)
>
> SHAME ON US
>
> Two days back there was a gay party, held in a village in Lonavala by a
> person, who generally arranges the gay parties in Pune.
>
> I was going to the Lonavala party for the first time and had taken along
> three close friends with me. Two of them are out and also act in my play
> OFFBEAT. One of them, a muslim guy is in the process of outing himself due
> to marriage pressure at home. Then there was my date, a chat friend from a
> remote village in Rajasthan, who shifted to Pune, just last month, again due
> to marraige pressure at home. I was glad that he was atleast clear about not
> getting married and I had kind of also motivated him by describing to him
> the queer movement in India in general. He was thrilled to know about the
> gay parties in Mumbai and Pune. So I had promised him to take to the said
> Lonavala Party.
>
> My Muslim friend had got one more friend along, he was coming to this party
> for the first time too. He is a south indian and is not out to his family
> too.
>
> Out of the way we also picked one more friend from Nigdi, who acted in my
> short film, but had requested me to not screen his real name in the film
> titles.
>
> On the way we had our fun of having drinks, wada-pav and singing "gay" songs
> like "Hum tum dono jab mil jayen'gay' ", etc. When we finally reached the
> spot at 12.30, we realized, we were falling short of some money. Since we
> had got so many friends with us, the organizer didnt mind it, he still let
> us in.
>
> Inside there was loud music in perfect mild light and lots of good (hee
> hee!) guys dancing. I joined in with my date and started enjoying the music
> too. Since I and two of my friends were drunk, we had some good share of
> funny moments too.
>
> At around 1.30 three policemen stormed in the bunglow and asked us to stop
> the music. They came inside and checked the whole bungalow, looked for
> alcohol bottles and stared at our "queer" presence.
>
> We all were obviously scared to death. The policemen went in the corridor of
> the bungalow and started interrogating the organizer and the DJs who
> apparently were localites.
>
> I forgot my fear as soon as the organizer came to me asking for help. So I
> went out to the cops, gave them all details about myself, told them I am a
> German Teacher in the University of Pune, I voluntarily also work for
> HIV-Awareness etc. I didnt want to say "Gay" because I didnt want them to
> have ideas if they already hadnt realized it yet. But no, they knew it. The
> cops immediately asked me, why were we partying with "reverse" people here.
> It didnt take much time for me to understand that "reverse" was their word
> for gay. The cop asked me to stop convincing him and ordered me to get all
> the people out and to give thier names and addresses.
>
> I went inside and for the first time I saw faces, because now there was
> light. Most of them were scared, silent and staring at me with hope and
> fear. Two of my actor friends asked me what happened. I told them that the
> cops want us to come out of the bungalow and give our details. Immediately
> people started panicking. But I and my friends were convinced that this is
> the time to come out and say the truth. I had shown the film "Milk" to them
> recently and we were obviously on a high and thought it to be appropriate to
> go in custody and start the movement in Pune.
>
> But the majority of people had other plans. They rejected our idea there and
> then. They wanted to pay bribe to the cops and have the thing settled as
> soon as possible. I personaly very well understand how difficult it is to
> come out and especialy the way I and my friends were wishing it. So I again
> went to the cops, persuaded them, asked them what amount they wish to have.
>
> The cop told me that he would take one thousand rupees from each of us. I
> said, it was obviously impossible for all of us to pay you a thousand each,
> simply also because we didnt have that much money with us. He was reluctant,
> didnt want to hear any arguments and reminded me that he knew there are
> "reverse" people in the party. I was annoyed by then, I told him that being
> "rev

Re: g_b ***In Search of a Soulmate***

[Tat Twam]

Love may not exist as a noun, but it does exists as a verb! Don't
expect to see love anywhere (not that it is not there), but create
it..

Preyas

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Sanjay Lulla wrote:
>
>
> They tell me love does not exist, its just use and abuse. Stop searching for
> love it does not happen, its the in the words of utopian raving mad poets
> and authors.
> Nay I said I am not looking for it, I just love unconditonaly wihtout hope
> or expectaions I love so it exists in me. Does it in you? Or are you looking
> for it and thinking WTF it does not exist.
>
> little prince-Sanjay N Lulla
>
> 
> From: Nishant Jain 
> To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:10:06 PM
> Subject: g_b ***In Search of a Soulmate***
>
> Expecting my mate to be all - that is bit stretching it. But writing nothing
> ain't going to cut it either. In lieu of listening a bunch of qualities and
> coming across as prosaic, I'll say this: I am looking for a friend who
> measures up to my liberal beliefs and zest for life, who matches and
> contrasts with who I am; and, actually, a person I never want to stop
> learning about. I'd prefer to be chummy with someone who is willing to live
> his life walking between passion and poise; and, above all, willing to take
> an optimistic risk. I would be pleased to discover in him a gentle, soft,
> and vehemently forthcoming personality; and, not to mention, a rich
> sensuality requiring no exertion of will to animate it. Someone who does not
> fear what two exciting minds and delightful bodies would discover together.
>
> If this sounds you I think everything else will fall into place.
>
> Hoping the collision to be head-on.
>
> Even if you lack that spark of passion I don't see why we can't at least say
> hello.
>
> Nishant
>
>
>  - - - - - -
> - - - - - - -
> - - - - - - -
> - - - - - 
>
>
> 



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For true friendship..

Re: g_b Pls Help

[Tat Twam]

You can also tell you brother that you can marry provided he gets a
girl who agrees to the following before marriage:
1. You cannot have sex with her
2. You will have sex with other men.

Let him get such a girl (which is almost impossible unless she is a
lesbian) and (if it is OK with you) then you can marry.

Preyas

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Aditya Bondyopadhyay
 wrote:
>
>
> Its your decision. If your brother is insistent on such high drama, tell him
> to remain unmarried all his life. After some time, he will get around to
> realising that you are serious, such melodrama does not pay... But you
> should not deviate or give in from the decision that you have taken. It is
> the right decision and it is the decent decision. I am proud of you that you
> have chosen not to spoil a girl's life. I wish everyone who faces such
> pressure could decide like you.
>
> best,
> Aditya B
> 2009/5/20 vicky sharma 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey evry1,
>> M 27 wrking guy frm mumbai.resrvd kind of guy, not in relatn with ne1.
>> Hv 1 elder bro who is goin 2 get married.
>> I'm out about myself to my Bro & my mom, but as expected th r not ready to
>> understand me.
>> The problem is tht thy want me to get married which m not ready for,
>> I cant imagine my life with a gal.(Never tried being with GAL tht way)
>> But they r insisting on it, my bro says tht he wnt get marrd until i get
>> marrd.
>> i love my mom n my bro very much, but i dont wnt to  screw any girls life
>> upon this.
>> M really confused, wht shud i do?
>> Time being i hav said yes n made thm quite, but thy r very serious this
>> time.
>> I think thy ll fid som1 in couple of mnths & get me into this mess.
>> M thinkin may b i'll be frnk with girl, take her in confidence n tell her
>> about me.
>> But that too is very risky.
>> Pls suggest if u c any options which i might have overlooked.
>> awaitin for a proper guidance.
>> Regards'
>> Viki.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Do not print this mail unless really necessary.
> Save paper, save trees..!!
>
> If you loose your way while SCUBA diving, the safest direction to head for
> is UP..!!!
>
> 



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- Preyas
For true friendship..

Re: g_b To Lata Mangeshkar fans in this group

[Tat Twam]

The second song is in youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiTTNpm3DHA

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM, shashaank jain wrote:

>
>
> hi..i have some 1500 songs of Lata numbers...solo as well as duets...with
> Kishore, Rafi, Mukesh, Hemant Kumar, Mannadey. Asha Bhonsale, etc etc but
> they r hindi songs...
> i dont have marathi or other laguage songs
>
> if u want my help...it will be my pleasure.
>
> regards
>
> shashaank
>
> --- On *Wed, 15/4/09, Raj * wrote:
>
>
> From: Raj 
> Subject: g_b To Lata Mangeshkar fans in this group
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 9:23 AM
>
>   Hi,
>
> Would like to connect to Lata Ji's fans in this group.
> Have a huge collection of her songs, lucky enough to met her
>
> Amit
> 9702003611
>
>  --
> *From:* raj raju 
> *To:* gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:53:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: g_b To Lata Mangeshkar fans in this group
>
>  Hi Jaydeep
> The first song you could download from www.cooltoad. 
> com
> just register, its free.
> no idea abt the second one.
> ciao
>
> *jaydeep kulkarni * wrote:
>
>
> Hi friends
>
> I know that there are a lot of Lata fans in this group and hence thought of
> writing here. I am looking for cassette/CD anything of two of Lata songs,
> any help in this regard will be appreciated.
>
> 1. Hindi bhajan: *Jap man sat naam, sada sat naam*.. Relatively new song
>
> 2. A marathi song from very very very very old movie Raja Shivaji by Bhalji
> Pendharkar. The song is during Shivaji's Rajyabhishek where Lata herself
> comes on screen and sings few lines in her own voice. She must be 14-15
> then. Song is"*Aaj shivaji raja jhala*"
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> jay
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g_b Online censorship? Amazon strips ranking of Gay and Lesbian books

[Tat Twam]

http://www.examiner.com/x-3569-Denver-Internet-Examiner~y2009m4d12-Online-censorship-Amazon-strips-ranking-of-Gay-and-Lesbian-books
-- 
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For true friendship..

Re: g_b child abuse

[Tat Twam]

I am not an medical expert, but it it seems a common sense that if there is
serious psychological impact, it is bound to have physical impact also.
This book details impact of stress on the body
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Zebras-Dont-Get-Ulcers/dp/0716732106 . There is
lot of research on similar impact due to other issues such as depression,
anger etc.

Preyas.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:06 AM, asfan  wrote:

>
>
> Dear Shatru,
> Thank u very much for forwarding the reference. Howeverr, it does not quote
> any reference from an indexed medical journal to substantiate the same.
> Furthur, it is not written by a medical consultant but, rather by a
> non-medical person.  AND, is the article forwarded by you from a medical
> journal?  It does not seem so - it is either from a lay or a para-medical
> publication.
> I still maintain that sexual abuse cannot stunt physical growth.
> Best wishes,
> Asfan.
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 10/4/09, Shatrughna Phadke * wrote:
>
>
> From: Shatrughna Phadke 
> Subject: Re: g_b child abuse
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 3:08 PM
>
> Dear Asfan,
>
> Following is a part of article writen by Ann Reyes, Ph.D.
>
>  Child Abuse
>
>- Overview, Causes, & Risk 
> Factors
>- Symptoms & 
> Signs
>- Diagnosis & 
> Tests
>- Prevention & 
> Expectations
>- Treatment & 
> Monitoring
>
> Writen by : Ann Reyes, Ph.D.
>
> Emotional and behavioral symptoms of child abuse may include:
> acting out sexually aggressive or violent behavior  acute situational
> anxiety\ \ generalized anxiety disorder\  \  panic disorder
> .
>  failure to achieve expected or normal weight and height growth (This is
> common in most of the sex abused cases)frequent urinary tract infections
> multiple bruises, often at various stages of healing rectal or vaginal
> irritation or dischargesudden and severe abdominal pain (A common symptom
> ) unexplained cuts, swelling, and bruises
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Re: g_b my boyfriend is being urged to marry

[Tat Twam]

Hi,
http://www.outproud.org/brochure_coming_out.html is a good source to prepare
yourself and your parents for the process of coming out.

Prepare well don't hurry.



On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 3:36 AM, jhfraj  wrote:

>   Thanks for your replies. Can you suggest how we tell the parents? My
> boyfriend says they do not know about homosexuality.
>
> jhfraj
>
>
> --- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com , Ammaan
> Khan  wrote:
> >
> > hi
> > I agree with your Opnion..
> >
> > Lots of love . Ammaan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Sanjay Lulla 
> > To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 25 March, 2009 11:45:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: g_b my boyfriend is being urged to marry
> >
> >
> > HI
> >
> > Yes the repealing can your relationship a legal dimension but in the
> present case you have to take a stand and explain why marrying a member of
> the opposite sex will be wrong. Not only on yourself but also on the woman
> in quesiton. You have to stand your ground and say that you are gay and
> maraige is out of quesiton and please please do emphasis on the menaing and
> vlaue of your relationship with your guy. People generaly dont think that it
> has any meaning "same gender relationship" has no sanctity and no value.
> >
> >
> >  little prince-Sanjay N Lulla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: jhfraj 
> > To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:33:34 PM
> > Subject: g_b my boyfriend is being urged to marry
> >
> >
> > Hallo everyone,
> >
> > I've been with my boyfriend for some years and am welcome as his friend
> by his family who seem not to understand our relationship. Now that he is
> 24, his parents are urging him to marry so that his younger sister can get
> married. He has been resisting for almost one year but it grows tedious day
> by day. What can we do? Will the repeal of Section 377 be of any help to us?
> >
> > Thanks for any comments.
> >
> > jhfraj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to
> http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
> >
>
>  
>



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For true friendship..

Re: g_b Check out my photos on Facebook

[Tat Twam]

Please do not click on the links in this mail. They seem to go to a PHP
application which directs to your facebook profile (and not the profile
mentioned here). The person may be catching you profile on facebook and the
details therein.


On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Alfred Biswas wrote:

>  facebook  Check out my photos on Facebook
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>
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> and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join
> Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile.
>
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Re: g_b Pope’s attack on condoms sickens Aids camp aigners

[Tat Twam]

Hi Aditya,
Please do not generalize ("any religious leader").

The problem is not with religion - it is with closed minded interpretation
of religion based on scriptures and narrow view of morality etc. and the
business and 'power structure' of current so called religious institutions.

The word Dharma is Sanskrit mean the "one which binds the humanity together"
(Yat dharayati Sah Dharmah). Even the English word religion came from latin
to mean "to connect, bind". So real religious leaders are the ones who bring
the humanity together - and there are quite a few of them. See this
quotation from Ashok Row Kavi:
" in the Ramakrishna Mission where I was studying to be a monk and my
counselor there, Swami Harshananda, thought it was no big deal. In fact, he
drove me out saying -- this is not a place you can hide your homosexuality,
go and fight for what you think is right. And then when you're old and need
rest, come back."

IMHO, religion (or call it spirituality as the word now connotes the narrow
interpretation) is also a science (that is based on verifiable principles)
of how the individuals and the whole society becomes happy. What ever is
their in scriptures is limited to the period when they were written. THe
principles should evolve with open mind.

Preyas.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Aditya Bondyopadhyay
wrote:

>   Any religious leader should be taken as a nitwit at face value when it
> comes to issues of sex or sexuality. I do not understand why we are giving
> any credit to this Ratzinger person by even expressiong outrage.
>
> As far as I can see, religion has passed its use by date, and it is time
> all religions of all hues and colour and mutation be confined to the garbage
> heap of history. Gods of all hues from every stable should now be
> euthenised, so that they do not wreck more havoc on our lives. Godmen of all
> hues from every stable should be retired to forced labor camps to develop
> those places that have been ravaged by religious strife.
>
> Best regards and in much hope of this happening sooner rather than later,
>
> Aditya Bondyopadhyay
>
> 2009/3/18 asfan 
>
>>
>> [image: Times Online Logo 222 x 25]
>>  *From The Times*
>>  *March 18, 2009*
>>  [image: Pope Benedict XVI is welcomed by Cameroon President Paul Biya on
>> arrival at the airport in Yaounde, Cameroon]
>>   Jonathan Clayton in Johannesburg and Ruth Gledhill in London
>>  The Pope caused dismay among Aids campaigners yesterday by declaring on
>> his first trip to Africa that condoms were not the solution to the epidemic
>> ravaging the continent.
>> In his first public comments on condom use, an issue that has divided even
>> Roman Catholic clergy working with Aids sufferers, he told reporters en
>> route to Cameroon that Aids “cannot be overcome by distributing condoms – it
>> only increases the problem”.
>> Aids activists had hoped that Pope Benedict, who has emphasised previously
>> that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against
>> Aids, would take a more nuanced approach than his predecessor, John Paul II.
>>
>>
>> Catholic and human rights activists immediately condemned the statement,
>> saying that it showed that the Pope was out of touch with reality and
>> advocating inhumane policies that would increase the suffering of innocent
>> people.
>>
>> Kevin Osborne, HIV adviser at the International Planned Parenthood
>> Federation, said: “All the evidence is that preaching sexual abstinence and
>> fidelity will not solve the problems. We need to work with the reality of
>> where people are, especially in countries he is visiting such as Angola,
>> which is hard-hit by the epidemic.
>>
>> “The Pope’s message will alienate everybody. It is scary. It spreads
>> stigma and creates a fertile breeding ground for the spread of HIV.”
>>
>> Rebecca Hodes, head of policy, communication and research at Treatment
>> Action Campaign in South Africa, said that if the Pope were serious about
>> preventing HIV infections he would focus on promoting wider access to
>> condoms and information. “Instead, his opposition to condoms conveys that
>> religious dogma is more important to him than the lives of Africans,” she
>> said.
>>
>> After his election, the Pope described Aids as “a cruel epidemic which not
>> only kills but seriously threatens the economic and social stability of the
>> continent”, but reiterated the Vatican ban on the use of condoms. It was
>> hoped, however, that he would modify its position to take account of
>> particular circumstances.
>>
>> Echoing words spoken frequently by Pope John Paul II, Benedict declared
>> that the “traditional teaching of the Church” on chastity outside marriage
>> and fidelity within it had proved to be “the only sure way of preventing the
>> spread of HIV and Aids”.
>> A few hours later, when his plane landed at Yaoundé the capital of
>> Cameroon, he said that he was bringing the “Christian message of hope” to
>> the world’s poorest continent – an assert

Re: g_b Tell me which bisexual man doesnt lead a double life?

[Tat Twam]

Giving full disclosure may be morally right, but what are the consequences?
The wife may in fact be put into more turmoil if she cannot leave (due to
other factors like children) and then knowing what the husband does not
really like her..
So the best option is not to marry, but if married, then what???

Preyas

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Aditya Bondyopadhyay wrote:

>   Vineet,
> Maybe what I am saying is for us, irrespective of sexual orientation, to
> take a little bit more 'command' of our lives, and not just blame it on
> circumstances and society and family pressure. May be that would help us
> also to be more responsible and considerate about what effects our actions
> have on others.
>
> Agreed, I cannot do anything about your being married, and also agreed its
> is your life, but then, if you were out there stealing or killing or pissing
> on the neighbour's lawn, it would still be your life and I could still not
> do anything about it. But that does not make it right.
>
> Best,
> Aditya B
>
> 2009/3/4 vineet kumar 
>
>
>> Aditya..
>> u seems to be having opinion on every subject..i apreciate your opinions,
>> but sometimes u can be quite rigid...iam bisexual ...and am married
>> too...its very easy to advice whats wrong and whats right...yes i lead a
>> 'double' life,but thats my life i know whats right and whats wrong for
>> me...similarly i believe u are gay but then in the eyes of society being gay
>> is not right...as far as your opinion about disclosing your intentions to
>> your wife,tell me honestly is that possible?
>> i agree one should not get married if u want to lead
>> this life..but there are situations in life which are beyond your command...
>> Yes, on one regard i second your views are...to give
>> similar freedom to wives,
>> and i mean in every respect..i know if iam not being faithful to her then
>> i dont expect it in return...
>> friend, life is very complicated just because u are not in
>> married men's shoes u can advice and have views..iam sure u would not like
>> it if someone advice u to 'come out of your gay life'...
>>   and as much as i hesitate to right this...'if cheating and
>> unfaithfullness is wrong
>> (which i know is wrong)then so be it..full stop.
>> --- On *Wed, 3/4/09, Android Angel * wrote:
>>
>> From: Android Angel 
>> Subject: Re: g_b Tell me which bisexual man doesnt lead a double life?
>> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 5:50 AM
>>
>>
>> Aditya,
>>
>> I do not agree with that. No humna is ideal personality.
>>
>> It is nnot even required as long as you don't feel repented.
>>
>> Now let me explain you this.
>>
>> When you talk about sex, I am talking about all the other aspects of life
>> and human being.
>>
>> Does a married person (irrespective of gay or heterosexual marriage)
>> inform about all his likes and dislikes to partner? Now whether the person
>> himself is aware about himself? I mean "Who is he".
>>
>> Also sexual preferences (and not just one preference of guy or girl) is
>> just another matter for one person and not for another person. Who are we to
>> define ethics? Tell what is good and bad in this world? Who defined it?
>>
>> So one live upto consequences of his or her act, is most honest person
>> than one who trying to be "Raja Harishchandra" .
>>
>> Anyways, these are my views on this topic and not really me. So do not
>> presume about me.
>>
>> So it is very unfair to say Bisexuals (in this case) are cheaters.
>>
>> Android
>>
>> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, manu nehru > co.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: manu nehru >
>> > Subject: Re: g_b Tell me which bisexual man doesnt lead a double life?
>> > To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com 
>> > Date: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009, 8:47 AM
>> > Hey Aditya... All this pent up anger !!! Frustrated?? ??
>> > Manu
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 2/3/09, Aditya Bondyopadhyay
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Aditya Bondyopadhyay 
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: g_b Tell me which bisexual man doesnt lead a
>> > double life?
>> > To: gay_bom...@yahoogro ups.com 
>>
>> > Date: Monday, 2 March, 2009, 1:36 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If cheating and keeping someone in the dark is wrong, then
>> > it is wrong, and even if every man, bisexual, gay, straight,
>> > or otherwise does it, it still does not become right. Full
>> > Stop..!!
>> >
>> > I am not making a comment on bisexuals or bisexuality. If
>> > you presume I am that is your presumption. I am making a
>> > comment on the fact that if someone enters a social
>> > contract, then the terms of that contract has to be
>> > respected, irrespective of the fact of the sexual
>> > orientation of the person.
>> >
>> > If a gay man enters into what is understood between the
>> > partners as a committed relationship, and then fucks around,
>> > without the other partner knowing, then he is as much a
>> > creep as the man cheating on his wife without her knowing.
>> > That cheating can 

Re: g_b Dear Mum & Dad...

[Tat Twam]

Good letter etc... But I did not get the last line: I ve known since you
were 3 years old!

 What did she mean??

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:28 PM, moderator  wrote:

> *Dear Mum & Dad...*
>
> Posted in: True Stories
> By Aaron from Dunedin - 9th February 2009
>
> Email this 
> article
> Printer friendly 
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>
>
>  *Nervous about coming out to his parents, 18-year old Aaron from Dunedin
> decided to write them a letter which he hoped would explain everything.*
>
> [image: letter.jpg]
>
> Aaron told us his situation via our Forum last week:
>
> *"I think tonight's the night I'm finally going to break it to my parents.
> They've been continually asking me of I'm ok, if everything's all right,
> what's happening in my life etc etc. They know something's up but they don't
> know what. Apparently they've been fighting a wee bit because of it too. How
> do I break it to them? Do I just sit down and say "mum, dad... I'm gay? I've
> already told all my mates and my sister but the mum and dad... a wee bit
> different."*
>
> Then, a couple of days later:
>
> *"I did it. Finally thought the time was right. So I wrote this for them
> and left it on their bed before I went out to go clubbing. Couldn't handle
> doing it in person."*
>  --
>
>
>
> *Dear Mum & Dad,*
>
> No doubt both of you are a little confused by the way that you're reading
> this letter. Each of you with a copy, sealed in envelopes within an envelope
> with the instruction to only read at home together. Well, you'll soon know.
>
> I want to share something about my life that is important because I love
> you. I am gay.
>
>
> To be completely honest, I cannot predict how you will be responding, what
> thoughts will be running through your minds. Why is our son gay? What did we
> do to make him gay? Will he ever be happy? What will everyone else think? --
> these are just some of the questions I think you might be pondering. I am
> writing this letter because although it shouldn't be, this is very hard for
> me to tell you. In any case, I hope this will allow you to go over what I
> want to say at a pace you're comfortable with, and to take in these ideas
> and concepts as you're ready for them.
>
>
> The first thing I want you to know is that I have always been gay, this is
> not a temporary phase, and it is not something I ever "chose" or "decided"
> to be. I've thought about it a lot, and as best as I can remember, I first
> knew I was gay at age 13 or 14, although it took a few more years for me to
> fully realize the full implications of what it meant to be gay. But even
> years earlier, I knew I was different. I am completely convinced that being
> gay is the way I was born, and nothing you or anyone else ever did "made" me
> gay. My natural orientation and preference is toward other men, and as for
> its being a "choice," my only choice, as I see it, has been whether to be
> open and honest about my feelings, or to continue to deny and hide them.
> Being gay is simply part of who I am -- and a part I've been longing to
> share with you for quite some time. In the years that have passed since
> then, keeping this a secret from you has become more and more of a burden.
> It has also placed an invisible wall between us in that I cannot share with
> you much of what goes on in my life, something that straight children take
> for granted. I could not share the excitement of meeting somebody new nor
> the pain when things didn't work out. I have spent many nights crying with a
> broken heart, alone, unable to call you for support.
>
>
> I know that you may be feeling shocked, confused, angry, and sad; and
> perhaps you might feel that, somewhere along the way, you have failed as
> parents. From what I have read, these are common reactions. You have not
> failed as parents; you have both been wonderful. You have raised me to be
> kind, thoughtful, caring and honest. You have taught me social values, moral
> principles and respect. To treat others as I want to be treated, to love
> others as I want to be loved. No single thing can be more valuable than the
> generosity of these gifts you have given to me in my life. Nobody chooses to
> be gay and I accept myself and am happy with who I am. I have told Kahlia,
> and Anette and Sean know too. My friends have known for some time as well
> and the majority of them accept me. I hope that you will be happy for me.
>
> Although I knew very early about being gay, I kept it inside me for a very
> long time. Most of the time, I wished it didn't have to be that way, that it
> didn't have to be a big secret, but I was petrified of anybody knowing or
> finding out but one incident convinced me I had no choice but to tell you.
> Dad, I don't know if you remember this particular conversation we had a few
> weeks ago, but I hope it at le

Re: g_b Important Information

[Tat Twam]

The number 1090 does not seem to be valid across India. It seems to be valid
only for Delhi. I searched google, and did not find any single official
announcement about this number except for Delhi. So obviously this mail is
incorrect. This is also corroborated by the Deccan Herald news:

See: http://www.deccanherald.com/CONTENT/Oct32008/state2008100293322.asp
--

  Alert mail proves a big headache for helpline  From Sibanthi
Padmanabha,DHNS,Mangalore: In the name of terror, pranksters seem to be
taking people for a ride. The ones facing the music are those manning
round-the clock toll free number for senior citizens.


A mail is being circulated to netizens for the last two days. It reads "Dear
all, In case you come across any suspicious activity, any suspicious
movement or have any information to tell to the Anti-Terror Squad, please
take a note of the new all India toll-free terror helpline 1090. Your city's
police or Anti-Terror Squad will take action as quickly as possible."

*Toll- free
*
The mail also reminds that the number 1090 is valid all over India and it is
toll-free, that can be dialled from mobile phones also. Moreover, the
identity of the caller will be kept a secret, it assures.
In addition to this, it appeals- "Let us make each and every citizen of
India aware about this facility. Kindly forward this mail to as many as
people possible." In fact, 1090 is helpline  launched by the State
government in 2005 in support of the elderly people in crisis.The Mangalore
Police have sought the help of the cyber cell to trace the source of the
mail.


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:56 PM, lgbtindiagroup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>   DEAR ALL,
>
> In case you come across any suspicious activity, any suspicious movement
> or have any information to tell to the Anti-Terror Squad (ATS),please
> take a
> note of the new ALL INDIA TOLL-FREE Terror Help-line "1090".
> Your city's Police or Anti-Terror squad will take action as quickly as
> possible.
> Remember that this single number 1090 is valid all over India
> This is a toll free number and can be dialed from mobile phones also.
> Moreover, the identity of the caller will be kept a secret.
> Let us make each and every citizen of India aware about this facility.
>
> Please forward this mail to as many people as possible, and tell
> everyone
> individually also.
>
> "Never expect things to happen. struggle and Make them happen." --
>
> 
>



-- 
- Preyas
For true friendship..

Re: g_b Russia: Tambov Court Confirms Bans of Gay Picket and March Lawful

[Tat Twam]

I think Russia is the only country that requires all VISA applicants to
provide 'HIV negative' cerificate.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Aditya Bondyopadhyay
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>http://www.gayrussia.ru/en/news/detail.php?ID=12450
>
> *Russia: Tambov Court Confirms Bans of Gay Picket and March Lawful*
>
>  *Organizers to appeal in regional court and then to the European Court of
> Human Rights*
>
>
>
> On Thursday 13 November Lenin district court of Tambov city, 480 km south
> of Moscow, dismissed Moscow Pride organizers complaint against the ban of
> gay picket and march in the city by City Administration. The public events
> were organized to fight homophobia and in support of the rights of sexual
> minorities in Russia.
>
>
>
> The federal judge Tamara Prostoserdova announced only resolution part of
> the decision after three hours of court hearing with the participation of
> the representatives of City Administration, the prosecutor and organizer of
> the events Nikolai Alekseev.
>
>
>
> The applications to conduct the picket and the march on 10 and 18 October
> respectively were given to the Tambov City Administration on 6 October in
> full accordance with the Russian law. The same day the authorities offered
> the organizers to change the place of the picketing and to transfer it to
> the Ice Sports Palace "Kristall". On Tuesday 7 October the organizers agreed
> with the proposal of the City Administration.
>
>
>
> According to the application the picketing to express opinions to denounce
> homophobic statements of Tambov region governor Oleg Betin and to appeal for
> respect for the rights of homosexual people in Russia was supposed to take
> place on 10 October from 1 to 2 pm.
>
>
>
> Second public event of sexual minorities in Tambov was supposed to take
> place on 18 October in the form of a march in support for tolerant attitude
> and respect for the rights and freedoms of homosexual people in Russia.
>
>
>
> According to the letter of Tambov City Administration the proposed
> picketing was banned due to the numerous letters of protest received from
> various public organizations. They said that the event was a propaganda of
> homosexuality and was deemed to spoil the image of Tambov as an Orthodox
> city.
>
>
>
> The City Administration said that in accordance with the law on local
> government it was obliged to listen to the views of the majority of citizens
> who were against the conduct of the proposed public event. In these
> circumstances the authorities stressed that they were unable to provide
> security for the participants of the event.
>
>
>
> The ban of the gay march on 18 October was issued due to the impossibility
> to block traffic. Tambov City Administration said that the march breaches
> the rights of drivers and could lead to accidents on the city roads.
>
>
>
> According to Russian federal law the authorities were obliged to offer the
> organizers alternative route or time for the march.
>
>
>
> In their complaints to Lenin district court of Tambov organizers of public
> events said that the authorities had no reasons to ban the events and that
> they were obliged to provide security for the participants.
>
>
>
> Organizer of Moscow Gay Pride and public events in Tambov Nikolai Alekseev
> said upon leaving the court on Thursday that "the decision of the district
> court will be appealed to Tambov regional court as soon as we get the
> motivated part of the decision. Even though the position of City
> Administration representatives and prosecution was very weak, the court
> decision was dictated by the political situation in the region and in the
> city".
>
>
>
> Nikolai Alekseev suggested that "if the regional court also supports city
> authorities, the case will be sent to the European Court of Human Rights".
> He reminded that there are several complaints of Russian gay activists
> concerning the ban of public events in Moscow already pending in Strasbourg.
> Two of the cases concern the bans of Moscow Pride events in 2006 and 2007.
>
>
>
> *GayRussia.Ru*
>
>  
>



-- 
- Preyas
For true friendship..

g_b Iron ladies on UTV worldmovies

[Tat Twam]

I found today that UTV world movies screened Iron ladies and its sequel back
to back on Friday afternoon. They normally retelecast movies. So keep an eye
on the schedule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Ladies_(film)

-- 
- Preyas
For true friendship..

Re: g_b Indian Govt. seeks information. on g4m profiles?

[Tat Twam]

This is a good issue to follow up through RTI (Right to Information).
Is NAAZ planning to raise an RTI request?

Preyas

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Nishant Jain
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi to all of you,
>
> Well I got information through a friend contact in NAAZ Foundation that
> Indian Government has asked from http://www.guys4men.com and other gay sites
> owners the list of enlisted Indian profiles, their email and IP addresses
> etc.
>
> So, NAAZ foundation has asked that if possible then just remove your
> account, profile and snaps etc. from any gay site for around 3 months.
>
> I don't know and claim that how much is this true but as someone said that
> precaution is better then cure. So, I just thought to inform you. Rest is on
> your will.
>
> Take care,
>
> Nishant…
>
> ===
>
> here is what g4m says
> regards
> moderator
> a rumor is circulating that the Indian government are asking gay web sites
> like guys4men for the IP and email addresses of Indian members. this is not
> true!
>
> what has happened is that someone in India has created a guys4men profile
> using stolen pictures, and the real owner if the pictures has reported this
> theft of identity to the Indian police.
>
> we have shut this profile down but if the Indian police insist on taking
> further action against the profile owner this will be done in conjunction
> with an Indian gay support group, in order to make totally sure the only
> action that will be taken against the guys4men member will relate to
> identity theft/copyright issues (we will not indiscriminately hand out
> member IP or email addresses in situations like this).
>
> because of this, i do not believe Indian members have anything to worry
> about unless you are mis-representing yourself using stolen pictures - if
> you are, i advise you delete these pictures from your profile right away.
> whatever the circumstances, you should not be using stolen pictures in your
> guys4men profile
>
> 



-- 
- Preyas
For true friendship..



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Re: g_b Being Gay In Traditional Indian Society! NDTV.com

[Tat Twam]

Aham/Harish,

The actual link to the video you mentioned is not available directly.
However you can see the video by first going to the top level page for
videos:

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/videopod/default.aspx

and then cut-paste (or type exactly) the following without quotes:
"Homosexuality is bad for health" in the seach videos box. This will
give you the link to the script which will run the video.

Preyas.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Aham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I found the link to the NDTV article + video.
>
>
> http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080067800
>
> I am also trying to trace the discussion proceeding this video clip. The one
> That had ashok raw kavi debating   (read lambasting) a priest  who spoke
> about homosexuality being un natural (and thats why god made adam and eve
> and not adam and steve.huhh... ) if someone finds a link to that, pls
> forward it to me na.
>
> 
> smiles
> aham (alias Harish)
> www.thepregnantthought.co.cc
>
>
>
>
>
> 



-- 
- Preyas
For true friendship..

Re: g_b To all those who can read marathi

[Tat Twam]

Hi,

This issue is now online: http://www.loksatta.com/lokprabha/20080919/cover.htm

Preyas

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM, jaydeep kulkarni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> The lastest issue of Lokaprabha is on same sex orientations and a good one.
> Pls read
>
> Best wishes
>
>
>
> 



-- 
- Preyas
For true friendship..

Re: g_b Health Minister Ramadoss champions gay rights

[Tat Twam]

What a news!

I think we need to start preparing for scenarios post-reading-down of 377. I
think we need to start campaigning in a large scale to remove the
misconceptions about homosexuality in public in general and the opinion
makers in particular. We can easily start email based campaign for general
public. Each of us can forward well scripted email to all acquaintances
(anonymously if not yet out) without making it spam.

As some political parties may consider to malign the current government on
this issue, we need to ensure that this does not happen. We need to have a
campaign within the community also to ensure that we make this as our #1
issue for the next elections. Parties who are pro-reading down of 377 should
not feel that they will loose out politically by supporting this cause and
pro-377 parties should know that they will loose out by opposing this.

Preyas

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:58 PM, gay_bombay moderator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>   Health Minister Ramadoss champions gay
>
> Last Updated: 18:37 IST(8/8/2008)
>
> Print
>
> Favouring the rights of homosexuals, Health Minister Anbumani Ramadoss
> has sought the removal of provisions in the Indian Penal Code (IPC)
> that classifies sex between two men as a criminal offence.
>
> "Section 377 of the IPC, which criminalises men who have sex with men,
> must go," Ramadoss said at the 17th International Conference on Aids
> in Mexico City, a ministry spokesman said here Friday.
>
> Under the IPC, sex between two men is considered "unnatural". The
> Delhi High Court is hearing a petition by Naz Foundation, an NGO that
> has challenged arrests under the act. Though the health ministry had
> supported their call to remove the law, the home ministry was not in
> favour of it.
>
> Considering the matter to be "serious", the court had asked the two
> ministries to sit together and sort out the matter. The case would be
> heard next on Sep 18.
>
> In his speech at the global AIDS summit, Ramadoss said: "Structural
> discrimination against those who are vulnerable to HIV such as sex
> workers and men having sex with men must be removed if our prevention,
> care and treatment programmes are to succeed.
>
> "The key to overcoming the HIV epidemic is to take HIV services to
> those on the margins of society and we can only do that in an enabling
> environment."
>
> The minister said India's dedicated focus on HIV prevention is
> fetching dividends. "We are seeing the beginning of the stabilisation
> of the HIV epidemic in India."
>
> He, however, said India should not be "complacent".
>
> The country's targeted HIV intervention approach, which relies on
> strong community participation, has resulted in larger numbers of
> people accessing HIV prevention, treatment and care services, he
> added.
>
> India has about 2.5 million HIV infected people and many states have
> started recording a stabilisation of the epidemic, Ramadoss said.
>
> However, he added that new hotspots were emerging in northern India,
> particularly in the rural interiors, which are home to thousands of
> migrants who work outside their states in India's economic hubs like
> Mumbai and Surat.
>
> Sujatha Rao, director-general of the National AIDS Control
> Organisation (NACO), said initiatives that address the unique needs of
> migrants must be immediately launched to avert a potential rise of HIV
> infections among them.
>
> She said India has begun a massive scale up of prevention care and
> treatment strategies to achieve universal coverage by 2011.
>
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>



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Re: g_b Are One Third of the American Football Players Gay? - Study says so

[Tat Twam]

Thanks for this interesting research.

Does anyone have any information on % of gays in overall population in
India?

Preyas.

Re: g_b Wat is Metro Sexual???

[Tat Twam]

Vikram,

It was patronizing, but I do not think it was racial.

Preyas.

On Nov 24, 2007 7:28 PM, Vikram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com , clive
> sewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi my name is Clive. I live in London UK. I just love younger indian
> guys they are so attractive, so cute and so respectful.
> >
>
> Wow, why not go all out and say you're looking for a slave? Are you
> perhaps not aware of how patronisingly racist your statement is?
>
> Un-respectfully,
>
> Vikram
>
>  
>



-- 
- Preyas
For true friendship..

Re: g_b Viraf

[Tat Twam]

Viraf seems to  have made the choice after deliberating. We all take risks.
We cannot expect life to unfold the way we want.

And we all will continue to take the risks..

Preyas..



On 7/7/07, Aditya Bondyopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  GOD, this is such a bloody waste, of a good man at the altar of vanity.
Why.. It makes for such depressed reading - Aditya

On 06/07/07, lgbtindiagroup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   courtesy gb
> ===
>
> I was reading my original message about Viraf and I noticed the
> rather cryptic comment I made about how the reason for his death
> might be worth discussing later.
>
> I didn't follow up on this because its depressing and confusing and
> might open the floor for the sort of moralising I dislike. (It was
> discussed at one of the GB meetings). But it is worth talking about
> not least because I later learned of another guy I know in the
> community here who was thinking of doing something similar.
>
> Put very simply - Viraf died from complications following a botched
> liposuction operation. Liposuction, for those unfamiliar with it
> (have you never watched Sex & the City?) is a cosmetic surgery
> procure to remove unwanted body fat essentially by injecting a tube
> into your body and sucking the fat out. It is often touted as an
> easy, safe procedure which doesn't even require hospitalisation. As
> Viraf's case proves this is not the case.
>
> In Viraf's case the actual operation took place some months earlier.
> He didn't tell anyone about, not even his best friend (not
> boyfriend, this guy is quite straight) or anyone from his family. It
> isn't clear, but it seems that he might have consulted a few doctors
> who told him not to do it, but then he found a Mumbai based doctor
> on the Net who did it.
>
> Only when it was over did he call his best friend to take him home.
>
> A few days later he went to the doctor's clinic for one of the
> routine checkups that have to be done afterwards, and at this point
> they discovered something had gone wrong. While sucking the fat the
> tube had perforated his colon and there was a severe danger of
> infection. The doctor did an emergency colonectomy which created an
> outlet for his shit, which was collected into a colonectomy bag.
> (This, btw, is the reason why he abruptly cancelled the last cooking
> meet at his house For the next few months Viraf had to wear this bag
> all the time and keep cleaning it out. As can be imagined this was
> hardly fun, but Viraf dealt with it well. Since he couldn't conceal
> the operation now, he was quite open about it, joking about it with
> his friends. And he seemed to be recovering quite well. The wound
> was healing and, as he said on his blog, it was time to reconnect
> himself his asshole.
>
> It was after he checked into the hospital for this that things went
> wrong. Again it doesn't seem to be clear what happened - and since we
> are not close to the family we can't find out - but sometime after
> the operation was done and everything seemed to be going OK, he
> started complaining about pains in his abdomen. It became evident
> that infection had set in and perhaps his resistance was weakened by
> the long recovery, because this time his body just seemed to give up.
>
> In a matter of hours his system started failing and he was
> transferred to Lilawati Hospital, but by the time he arrived in the
> ICU there he was already pretty far gone. One of the doctors we know
> in the community called the doctor in charge there at one point and
> he was told candidly that the patient was already essentially dead,
> but they ere going through the motions of reviving him for the
> family's sake.And finally they stopped that. It was not a pleasant
> death.
>
> Here, I suppose, is the place for moralising. Liposuction can be seen
> as an unnecessary surgery and Viraf's death an example of the extent
> which people are driven by the pressure to look a certain way in the
> gay community. I don't think Viraf was unduly fat, but evidently he
> did, and when, after a lot of effort put into dieting and exercise he
> wasn't getting the results he wanted, he decided to do liposuction
> and this the result. I think discussion is important, so please post
> whatever you feel about this.
>
> For myself, I would certain blame the doctor and I feel it
> unfortunate that Viraf so felt he had to loose weight, but I can't
> quite get all judgmental about his doing liposuction. How you look
> does matter, to others and yourself, and this isn't just something
> exclusive to the gay community. Like most people I've had my own
> insecurities about my appearance and I can sympathise with Viraf's
> intense desire to do things about it. And perhaps if I had Viraf's
> strongly driving personality I would have.
>
> What I do think is worth discussing is his desire to do it in secret.
> He clearly saw it as an embarassing operation to do which is why he
> spoke to no one about it. And that, I t

Re: g_b A lot in common

[Tat Twam]

You can watch it here: http://www.thelot.com/episodes/?ep=3&vd=66

-- Preyas.


On 6/11/07, Moderator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 *TALK*







*A lot in common*

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=240730



*A fellow filmmaker roots for On The Lot's Shalini Kantayya*



*Georgina Maddox*



Shalini Kantayya is the girl Steven Spielberg is keeping a keen eye on.
The 30-year-old is making waves on his DreamWorks show, On The Lot,
currently being aired on Star World on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. The reality
talent hunt for a burgeoning filmmaker who wins a million dollars and
assists the ET-maker himself, is what couch potatoes and film junkies the
world over are talking about.

Incidentally, I've had the good fortune of making a film with the talented
Shalini myself. Six years ago, as she and I sipped iced tea at Bandra's Pot
Pourri, we decided to make a film about my coming out. We called it Bombay
Longing and screened it at Shireen Gandhy's Gallery Chemould.

 Last week, Shalini made another coming-out film that had her fellow
contestants and judges rooting for her. It was called Laughing Out Loud: A
Comic Journey and starred Vidur Kapur, a dear friend and a New York-based
stand-up comic.

Shalini is obviously elated. She's locked up at the show and unavailable
to the outside world. But in the stock interviews provided, she says: "This
may be the fast-track to realising my dreams as a filmmaker".

Her actor, Vidur, is available though. "We filmed the entire short in one
day. It was exhausting but we had incredible chemistry working together and
a lot of fun," he says. "She's very organised and hardworking, yet sensitive
and compassionate."

In the film, we see Vidur play a stand-up comedian getting ready for his
act, applying kohl and talking on the phone about being gay. Asian, gay and
out-of-the-closet, Vidur's character has made it big in the Big Apple
despite these odds.

"My love for visual storytelling also became integrated with my love for
human rights. I always considered myself a humanist and was always inspired
by stories of ordinary people who overcome seemingly insurmountable
hardships. Filmmaking is not just my profession; it's my calling," Shalini's
interview reads.

Vidur is very positive about this film that goes beyond being an entry for
On The Lot. "It's important to generate awareness and acceptance as Asians
in the USA. A movie like this is so important to get people to question
their beliefs and assumptions," Vidur adds. "Besides, my manager believes
Shalini and I should be nominated for a GLAAD media award for this movie."

To roll back a bit, Shalini came to India in 2001 when she made her first
feature on the Kumbh Mela. The Fulbright scholar wanted to make a movie that
connected her to her motherland. Raised in America by a single mother, she
was in search of her roots. She has also just made a film with Nandita Das.

Now, watching her on TV push the envelope for Asians and gays makes me
proud. So, congratulations Shalini, I'm cheering for you.





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Re: g_b Two great Youtube clips from Towleroad

[Tat Twam]

Too bad, both the videos have now been taken off youtube due to copyright
issues...

Preyas


On 6/6/07, lgbtindiagroup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  courtesy gb
===

Two great Youtube clips from Towleroad (if you haven't discovered
Towleroad, do so at once. Its one of the best gay news and
entertainment blogs - though its just moved to www.towleroad.com so
maybe its no longer quite a blog any more).

The first is of Enrique Iglesias singing Hero, but at the G-A-Y club
in
London - and to fit the occasion, where he usually pulls a pretty
girl
onstage to sing to her, here he picked a cute guy.

Who looks like he's almost dying of embarassment - couldn't he have
got
more in the spirit? On the other hand, one should credit him with not
simply passing out when Enrique pulled him on stage, which is
probably
what I'd have done in that situation.

But its really cool that Enrique did this and its a good sign how all
the stigmas attached to homosexuality are rapidly disappearing. He's
very publically straight, but he's got no problems doing the song and
hugging the guy. Now lets see when Himmesh starts doing that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpa0DNaVFXI&eurl=

And the second is of Will Ferrell and Sacha Baron Cohen accepting
their
award for Best Kiss for their liplock at the end of Talladega Nights.
They do it again... and then some!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RevBCLWlsCw&eurl=

Re: g_b (Reply # 2) - A mistake which we did in 1947...

[Tat Twam]

Dear jayant,

I found your article very thought provoking. I never thought on those lines.
I request to others is to keep our washed-brain away for some time before
reading mail from Jayant..

Preyas!

Re: g_b A Sweet Love Story

[Tat Twam]

Aditya,

Though she could hear, he has to tell her that she can communicate with him
too. Of course, he did not have to wait that long... He could have just said
I have started learning the sign language so that I can understand you!

Preyas


On 4/24/07, Aditya Bondyopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


   Yeah,  beautiful and rather brainless. If the girl had lost her voice,
it does not mean that she has also lost her ears. The guy could just tell
her that he loved her and she would listen and know. He didn't have to go
through all that drama about learning sign language. She was dumb but not
deaf.
-Aditya


On 24/04/07, RAK SHAS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Beautifully expressed the meaning of love,
> committment, and relationship. thts all  I can say.
>
> Thanks a bunch for lighting many a candles of hope and many a lives
> shall gain meaning thru this story.
>
> thanks
>
> RAKSHAS
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: naughty confessions 
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:04:08 PM
> Subject: g_b A Sweet Love Story
>
>  *A Sweet Love Story*
>
> One of the most touching and purest love story I've read in a
> while..From the very beginning, girl's family objected strongly on her
> dating this guy, saying that it has got to do with family background, & that
> the girl will have to suffer for the rest of her life if she were to be with
> him. Due to family's pressure, the couple quarreled very often. Though the
> girl loved the guy deeply, she always asked him: "How deep is your love for
> me?"
>
> As the guy is not good with his words, this often caused the girl to be
> very upset. With that & the family's pressure, the gal often vents her anger
> on him. As for him.. he only endured it in silence. After a couple of years,
> the guy finally graduated & decided to further his studies overseas. Before
> leaving, he proposed to the gal:
> "I'm not very good with words. But all I know is that I love you. If you
> allow me, I will take care of you for the rest of my life. As for your
> family, I'll try my best to talk them round. Will you marry me?"
>
> The girl agreed, & with the guy's determination, the family finally gave
> in & agreed to let them get married. So before he left, they got engaged.
> The gal went out to the working society, whereas the guy was overseas,
> continuing his studies. They sent their love through emails & phone calls.
> Though it was hard, but both never thought of giving up.
>
> One day, while the gal was on her way to work, she was knocked down by a
> car that lost control. When she woke up, she saw her parents beside her bed.
> She realized that she was badly injured. Seeing her mum cry, she wanted to
> comfort her. But she realized that all that could come out of her mouth was
> just a sigh. She had lost her voice
>
> The doctor says that the impact on her brain has caused her to lose her
> voice. Listening to her parents' comfort, but with nothing coming out from
> her, she broke down. During the stay in hospital, besides silent cry. it's
> still just silent cry that accompanied her. Upon reaching home, everything
> seems to be the same. Except for the ringing tone of the phone which pierced
> into her heart every time it rang. She does not wish to let the guy know &
> not wanting to be a burden to him, she wrote a letter to him saying that she
> does not wish to wait any longer.
>
> With that, she sent the ring back to him. In return, the guy sent
> millions & millions of reply and countless phone calls. all the gal could do
> besides crying is still crying The parents decided to move away, hoping
> that she could eventually forget everything & be happy.With a new
> environment, the gal learnt sign language & started a new life.Tellingherself 
everyday that she must forget the guy. One day, her friend came &
> told her that he's back. She asked her friend not to let him know what
> happened to her. Since then, there wasn't anymore news of him.
>
> A year has passed & her friend came with an envelope, containing an
> invitation card for the guy's wedding. The gal was shattered. When she
> opened the letter, she saw her name on it instead. When she was about to ask
> her friend what was going on, she saw the guy standing in front of her
>
> He used sign language to tell her, "I've spent a year to learn sign
> language. Just to let you know that I've not forgotten our promise. Let me
> have the chance to be your voice. I Love You." With that, he slipped the
> ring back into her finger. The gal finally smiled.. Treat every
> relationship as if it's the last one, then you'll know how to Give.Treatevery 
moment as if it's the last day, then you'll know how to Treasure.
> Treasure what you have right now, or else you may regret one day...
>
> --
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check out new cars at Yahoo! 
Autos.

Re: g_b Black Magic Night @ NOIR, Le Meridien, Bangalore on 18th March 07...

[Tat Twam]

Yes it is..

See the note that "Good As You" has created this safe space.. G.A.Y. is a
gay support group in Bangalore...


On 08 Mar 2007 20:51:53 -0800, Karna Mehta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  Hi,
Is this a gay event?.not very clear from your messageWould be
happy if
you ncould clarify
lol


Get your own "800" number
Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more
http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag

 On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, seth_plate1976 ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED])
wrote:

> Black Magic Night @ NOIR
>
> Leave your poisons at home and hallucinate on a dose of psychedelic desi
remixes with
> class and style
>
> Don those "big" sun glasses and go wild on "vivid" sound at the
uber-chic club
NOIR @
> Hotel Le Meridien, Bangalore on 18th March 2007 from 7pm onwards.
>
> Scene to be seen in!
>
> Special gifts for your gal pals as an extension of Women's Day
celebration!
> Secret surprises lurk within! ;-)
>
> Minimum requirements:
> 
> 1) 550/-
> 2) Sunglasses
> 3) Black togs
> 4) Hottitude!!
>
> You get:
> ===
> 1) Two large drinks with mixers or a pint of beer
> 2) Veg n non-veg starters
>
> Disclaimer:
> ==
> 1) May cause blindness without sunglasses! :-)
> 2) In case you OD, dance harder!!
>
> PS:
> ===
> * Good As You, as a support group, has created this comfort/safe space.
This
is the first
> party at a 5 star property. So please be sensitive to the comfort levels
of
others and
> behave and dress accordingly.
>
> * If found indulging in any "hanky panky" you shall be asked to leave
the
party.
>
> * A special REQUEST: During and after the party please DO NOT gather
outside
the venue.
> The management has requested us to ensure that, in the middle of the
night,
the peace of
> the neighbourhood is not disturbed.
>
> * Rights of admission reserved.
> * Dinner will not be served.
>
>

Re: g_b Interesting-Marriage proposal: Make childbearing mandatory

[Tat Twam]

I think this is a great move to bring out the falacy of bringing child
bearing as the primary reason for a relationship!

Re: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity

[Tat Twam]

Manu,

Thanks for sharing your opinion, however, that does not count as scientific
evidence as requested by *muscular masculine.* I am sure all is there on the
net. But can anyone please point to a good set of references *giving all
sides of the opinions*?

Preyas..

On 2/3/07, doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


   It has been proved beyond doubt that sexual preferances have a lot to
do with genetics and hormones,in the womb!!!

early exposure to sex and the type of sex ,may tilt a borderline or
straight guy to bisexuality

what does GOY stand for!

and i agree with manu,begay and having gay inclinations are are two ends
of a spectrum of degrees with wide range of fantasies and indulgance

i too hav always luved the compony of men and boys,just as one gets kicks
in compony of girls!!

and being into anals is no definition to be gay

as per medical books only 5 % gays cannot live without getting into anal
sex

and i think the percentage would be same in the hetrosexual world too

its more to do with the mind ,than with the act

cooper

 --
From: *"peterswansonmpls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *Re: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity*
Date: *Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:55:37 -*

  It IS the theory floating around now that one is "made gay" in the
womb. It's complicated, involving hormones, but it does explain why
identical twins can be gay and straight.

"GOYs" are an odd bunch, to me, since I heard about them for the
first time through Yahoo. I wonder who made that name up? I know a
lot a people who just call themselves "gay" and they're not into anal
sex. I don't know why the labels have become so strict.

Peter

--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, manu nehru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I tend to agree with,Cooper. I am married with kids.Yet I am
attracted to men.There is something new in Yahoo Groups called
G0Ys.ie men who are attracted to men and yet not into anal sex and
stuff.I think my genetic profile somehow got f***ed up a little bit
because I was concieved almost immediately after my elder sibling was
born. Maybe my mother's body did not have enough time to regroup. We
all know that a woman's hormones etc go haywire during pregnancy and
childbirth.
> Manu
>
> muscular masculine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cooper could u give us proof of your say that
homosexuality is genetically dependant-mj.
>
> -Original Mail-
> From: doc cop
> Sent: Sunday, 28th January 2007 9:56 pm
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity
>
> as i had mentioned in one of my earlier emails,homosexuality is
genetically dependant and results due to hormonal changes
>
> the gene has been identified in the mothers of gays
>
> and the percentage of such moms with this gene is very high with
twin gays or two siblings gay
>
> environmental and social customs can effect sexuality,by creating
false morality or social obligation but it cannot change the
temperament or the desire of the personn
>
> cooper
>
>
> ==
> From: "gay_bombay moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> To: gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: g_b Of Gay Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad Publicity
> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:12:24 +0530
>
> 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/science/25sheep.html?ei=5087%
0A&em=&en=ba2500e4c3032167&ex=1169874000&pagewanted=all Of Gay
Sheep, Science and Peril of Bad PublicityBy JOHN SCHWARTZPublished:
January 25, 2007Charles Roselli set out to discover what makes some
sheep gay. Then the news media and the blogosphere got hold of the
story.Skip to next paragraphLynn Ketchum/Oregon State University
>
> Dr. Charles Roselli has been criticized for his study of gay sheep.
>
> Dr. Roselli, a researcher at the Oregon Health and Science
University, has searched for the past five years for physiological
factors that might explain why about 8 percent of rams seek sex
exclusively with other rams instead of ewes. The goal, he says, is to
understand the fundamental mechanisms of sexual orientation in sheep.
Other researchers might some day build on his findings to seek ways
to determine which rams are likeliest to breed, he said.
>
> But since last fall, when People for the Ethical Treatment of
Animals started a campaign against the research, it has drawn a
torrent of outrage from animal rights activists, gay advocates and
ordinary citizens around the world â€" all of it based, Dr. Roselli
and colleagues say, on a bizarre misinterpretation of what the work
is about.
>
> The story of the gay sheep became a textbook example of the
distortion and vituperation that can result when science meets the
global news cycle.
>
> The news media storm reached its zenith last month, when The Sunday
Times in London published an articl

Re: g_b Gandhigiri and Homophobia

[Tat Twam]

There is an entry in wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/homophobia .

"The fact that 'homophobia' etymologically implies an irrational fear can be
in principle misleading, since it is commonly used to indicate any
opposition to homosexuality on any basis. Moreover, 'clinical homophobia' is
not listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. ...
Opponents object to the term, complaining that the connotation of mental
illness is implicit."

"Sexualism refers to hatred against homosexuals (gay men/lesbians) and
bisexuals."
I was curious to know if anyone has used Gandhian methods to handle a
situation arising our of hetred towards us.

... Preyas


On 2/1/07, doc cop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 would u please elaborate what u mean by Homophobia?

 --
From: *"tat.twam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *g_b Gandhigiri and Homophobia*
Date: *Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:51:39 -*

  Talking of Gandhi, does anyone have any interesting experience of
using 'gandhigiri' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhigiri) to tackle
homophobia?

Preyas..

--- In gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com, "peterswansonmpls"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Happy Republic day from ALL THE WAY over here in Minnesota U.S.A.! I
> just read about it on an online encyclopedia (Wikipedea?) Tonight
I'll
> watch my DVD of Gandhi to celebrate! I saw that film on the big
screen
> when it first came out and I didn't understand it much, then. ha ha
I
> think I follow it all now. Celebrate! Be happy and gay!
>
> Peter
>




--
Tickle your funny bone with Rahul 
Phondke

Re: g_b PLEASE HELP ME ...

[Tat Twam]

Dear Khapat (Sorry about this word),

What will you do if you find him? Do you think he will still come back to
you and stay yours forever till the end of your life? If you truly belive in
this, I am sure you can make it happen and I will replace Khapat by "most
respected person". But if it is otherwise, please understand life moves on
and you will have even better pertner in life...

Preyas.


On 1/29/07, boyone03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  hello everybody,
neither i know u nor ths city. coz i m not from delhi. but i had one
relation wth delhi. plz take some time to read this how.

last year some1 from delhi came in my life in mnth of apr 2005 n was
in my life till nov 2005. during this period we were in love each
other. he told me so and i also loved him so much. but one day
without saying anything he left me and now i dont know where is he.
i never saw him nor his any pic. i dnt know his real name also nor
where he really stays. he was in south delhi that time in defence
colony. his name was sujal a.k.a. sonu. he passed out on around
june2005. he told me tht he was topper of tht batch.

i know u all must be laughing while reading this but its true that
nobody will trust on such person but i did. i did totally when my
all friends were saying that he is fake about love. but i listned my
heart and trusted him completely.

i know its totally unbelievable that how someone can make such
relation while i was in pune n he was in delhi. but i had faith in
my destiny. now i dont know where is he. but anybody of u must be
knowing any such person plz help me. i really need to find him coz
my parents r deciding my marriage and i have only few mnths in my
hands. before tht i need to find him. since he left still i m
thinking about him. i loved him by my true heart and i will till my
last breath. i am sure that before my death i will meet him one day.
but now situation is critical in my house and i need him and his
love.

his cell number at that time was 9312402545 somebody plz check ur
friend's previous call numbers. it will help me very much. he used 2
use some urdu words in his talk. one specific word was KHAPAT it
means bewakuf. i remember his voice still and i can recognise him by
his voice. coz tht only his identity with me.

plz plz plz help me. it will be biggest favour for me of my life.

SONU IF U R ALSO READING THIS THEN PLZ REPLY UR LUV... I M STILL
WAITING FOR U waiting4myluv ...

plz guys plz help me  plz