Re: gEDA-user: package library, or include in schematic

2007-09-02 Thread Ben Jackson
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 08:54:38AM +0200, Duncan Drennan wrote:
> Is there a way for gschem to package a library for a set of
> schematics, or possibly include the symbols in the schematic file
> itself?

Under edit, 'embed component'

All of the .sch's I post are embedded to simplify things.

(though I'm not sure anyone has downloaded any of the ones I've posted,
I appreciated finding examples when I was getting started so I made them
available)

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gEDA-user: package library, or include in schematic

2007-09-02 Thread Duncan Drennan
Is there a way for gschem to package a library for a set of
schematics, or possibly include the symbols in the schematic file
itself?

I'm sure I saw some option to this effect somewhere, but I can't find
it any more


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Re: gEDA-user: schematic messed up

2007-09-02 Thread Duncan Drennan
> I tried this sch snippet on my current git build and it seems like the
> capacitor and gnd symbols are properly connected for me.  Can you send
> me a screenshot of a gschem where things aren't lined up.  Maybe this
> is a cygwin only problem?

I think the real problem is with the libraries somewhere. I'll look
into this a bit more carefully (I was tired and in a rush when this
cropped up) and see if I can figure out the root of the issue.

Thanks,
Duncan


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Re: gEDA-user: Polygon over polygon pour

2007-09-02 Thread Ben Jackson
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 06:17:53AM +0100, ST de Feber wrote:
> 
> I'd like to pour a polygon over a smaller polygon and
> want the smaller one to be cleared through like lines
> can do with the  toggle !
> 
> Is that possible ?

Looking at the source, I'd say no.  There's no "plow" code for polygons,
so a poly would never be removed from another poly.  If you draw a line
in the shape of a box around the area, it will clear out the area.  Beware
that when you orphan areas of a polygon like that, the largest remaining
area is the one that survives.  You can get odd effects when a large
portion of your polygon is hidden (eg you add a component to the surviving
side and it shrinks enough that another island becomes dominant).

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gEDA-user: Polygon over polygon pour

2007-09-02 Thread ST de Feber
Hello list,

I'd like to pour a polygon over a smaller polygon and
want the smaller one to be cleared through like lines
can do with the  toggle !

Is that possible ?

grtz

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gEDA-user: gEDA/gaf stable version 1.2.0-20070902 released!

2007-09-02 Thread Ales Hvezda

Hi,

I am pleased to announce the second major stable release of gEDA/gaf:
1.2.0-20070902.  This release rolls up the changes from the last 2
months of development.  Many thanks to everybody involved.

You can find this release at:

Release Notes: TBD
Download: http://geda.seul.org/release/v1.2/1.2.0

I will write up release notes and send them out soon.  

Enjoy,

-Ales

PS. md5sum's for this release:

bbd67ab610a41bf44716cfdc651c0eb8 *geda-docs-1.2.0.tar.gz
ca177c15be955876c87095a84658e0ff *geda-examples-1.2.0.tar.gz
39acaa05c12c78f5a1fece22760e9d91 *geda-gattrib-1.2.0.tar.gz
fe435c8124df5ee85e46f3f1e329ff70 *geda-gnetlist-1.2.0.tar.gz
2bd5b949f0579bd5bc8dc91d6ddfd8cd *geda-gschem-1.2.0.tar.gz
bf23cf68e82f14f1e44b83fa9b951b90 *geda-gsymcheck-1.2.0.tar.gz
cbbab791d2e9557513da2fbb2c40ba19 *geda-symbols-1.2.0.tar.gz
7430311688713ae4e924344970deecc5 *geda-utils-1.2.0.tar.gz
43f2b2daabee59ffeae84fe13c10c51d *libgeda-1.2.0.tar.gz
7541ea3f918103e9dfef5f8f25fc597f *Makefile
85b7e894dfa8a393224bf77f61b3e900 *README



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Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock boards are in!

2007-09-02 Thread DJ Delorie

Ah, good point.


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Re: gEDA-user: alarm clock boards are in!

2007-09-02 Thread Steven Michalske

On Aug 31, 2007, at 5:56 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

>
>> Ahhh, i see,  i forgot they were boasting a new method for design  
>> entry
>
> Yup, "no touch".  I suspect if I called them, I wouldn't get the cheap
> price.

They are friendly to work with if you tell them that there is an  
issue with the no-touch they would probably fix it.
That's what I was saying.

Steve
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Re: gEDA-user: list of cell types emitted by icarus synthesis?

2007-09-02 Thread Adam Megacz

Stephen Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> An approximation of the answer you are looking for is to look
> in the ivl_target.h header file. This will show all the different
> types of gates might be passed to the edif code generator. Of
> course, not all those gates are necessarily actually generated
> in a synthesized result, but you'll at least get an idea.

Thanks, Stephen.  In particular, do you mean the entries in the
ivl_logic_t enum?  That shouldn't be hard at all, although I don't see
adders in there, and Icarus seems to emit adder cells (ADD8), which
don't seem to be accounted for in that structure...  I was just
wondering what other sorts of stuff like this might crop up before I
release anything.

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Re: gEDA-user: schematic messed up

2007-09-02 Thread Ales Hvezda
Hi,

> > Please post a small schematic fragement from the older version
> > of gEDA/gaf that shows this problem.
> 
> v 20070216 1
> 
> N 44800 48000 44800 48100 4
> N 45800 48100 45800 48000 4
[snip]

I tried this sch snippet on my current git build and it seems like the 
capacitor and gnd symbols are properly connected for me.  Can you send
me a screenshot of a gschem where things aren't lined up.  Maybe this
is a cygwin only problem?  

-Ales




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Re: gEDA-user: reload library directories while in gschem

2007-09-02 Thread Ales Hvezda
Hi,

[snip]
> Is there any way to reload the directories while in gschem, or is
> restarting the only option?
> 

Unfortunately, these is no update mechanism when you are using
component-library-search, so a restart is required.  

However, if anybody wants something to do, then extending the
refresh button to update the component libraries found by
component-library-search might be an interesting patch.

-Ales



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Re: gEDA-user: customise mouse scroll action

2007-09-02 Thread Ales Hvezda
> So try replacing the undo lines with:
> 
> ("Control z" . edit-undo)
> ("Control y" . edit-redo)
> 

Having these standard keybindings is actually a good idea, so I have them
in my local git repository, soon to be pushed to master.

I left the other undo/redo keybindings in just in case people are actually 
using those too.

Thanks,
-Ales



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Re: gEDA-user: pcb: gui-dialog-print.c weirdness?

2007-09-02 Thread Hans Nieuwenhuis
On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:59:52 -0400
Dan McMahill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
> No, quite the opposite.  ghid_dialog_print() is obsolete and I haven't 
> gotten to replacing it with ghid_attribute_dialog yet.  BTW, 
> ghid_attribute_dialog is in fact used by the printer calibration. 
> Search for gui->attribute_dialog.
> 
> I have a couple of patches which touch ghid_attribute_edit too that I 
> haven't checked in.  Mostly they are needed to let me get rid of the 
> ghid_dialog_print() function.  I'm hoping to get that done over the
> next few days, but I can't promise that.  ghid_dialog_print() will
> probably go away at that time since it is less general purpose.
> 

Ok, I'll wait for those patches to land in CVS then. In the meantime I
can figure out how to make notebooks to work in the lesstif HID.

Hans

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Re: gEDA-user: pcb: gui-dialog-print.c weirdness?

2007-09-02 Thread Dan McMahill
Hans Nieuwenhuis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My apologies if this too off-topic for this list but I have a question
> about two functions in gui-dialog-print.c in pcb.
> 
> I am trying to implement some GUI attributes in the HID_attributes struct
> (after some discussion with DJ the other day). Up until now I and quite
> successful in doing that, see the screenshot below:
> 
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~vzzbx/files/ps-export.jpg
> 
> One thing is baffelling me, in the aforementioned file there is a
> function ghid_dialog_print (which I have modified) and the function
> ghid_attribute_dialog (not modified). Apart from one mention in the HID
> structure in gtkhid-main.c the latter never seems to get called. Both
> functions seem to do the same besides having different call parameters.
> 
> The export dialog seems to work fine in all cases I tested:
> - export through menu
> - export in batch mode
> 
> Is ghid_attribute_dialog() obsolete and would it be better if removed? I
> can also just copy my changes from ghid_dialog_print() to
> ghid_dialog_print(), but that feels not like the right thing(TM).

No, quite the opposite.  ghid_dialog_print() is obsolete and I haven't 
gotten to replacing it with ghid_attribute_dialog yet.  BTW, 
ghid_attribute_dialog is in fact used by the printer calibration. 
Search for gui->attribute_dialog.

I have a couple of patches which touch ghid_attribute_edit too that I 
haven't checked in.  Mostly they are needed to let me get rid of the 
ghid_dialog_print() function.  I'm hoping to get that done over the next 
few days, but I can't promise that.  ghid_dialog_print() will probably 
go away at that time since it is less general purpose.

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gEDA-user: pcb: gui-dialog-print.c weirdness?

2007-09-02 Thread Hans Nieuwenhuis
Hi,

My apologies if this too off-topic for this list but I have a question
about two functions in gui-dialog-print.c in pcb.

I am trying to implement some GUI attributes in the HID_attributes struct
(after some discussion with DJ the other day). Up until now I and quite
successful in doing that, see the screenshot below:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~vzzbx/files/ps-export.jpg

One thing is baffelling me, in the aforementioned file there is a
function ghid_dialog_print (which I have modified) and the function
ghid_attribute_dialog (not modified). Apart from one mention in the HID
structure in gtkhid-main.c the latter never seems to get called. Both
functions seem to do the same besides having different call parameters.

The export dialog seems to work fine in all cases I tested:
- export through menu
- export in batch mode

Is ghid_attribute_dialog() obsolete and would it be better if removed? I
can also just copy my changes from ghid_dialog_print() to
ghid_dialog_print(), but that feels not like the right thing(TM).

Thanks,

Hans

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Re: gEDA-user: TV card question

2007-09-02 Thread Ales Hvezda
Hi,

>Here's a question for the MythTV experts in the group.
[snip]

You may want to post these questions to the MythTV users group.  I'm sure
there are more MythTV experts there.  Whoa, that seems like quite a
lively list based on the archives.

http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/

Thanks,

-Ales



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gEDA-user: TV card question

2007-09-02 Thread Vaughn Treude
Hello everyone:
Here's a question for the MythTV experts in the group.

Here's the background - I had a Hauppage TV card (which I used for video 
capture) running fine under Mandrake 10.  Then the system's motherboard 
died, taking the Hauppage card with it.  I recreated the system on a new 
mobo, installing Mandrake 2005 (mainly because I had a set of those CD's 
laying around.)  So I got everything reinstalled and working on that.  I 
just needed a new TV card.  I recently purchased a Hauppage PVR-150, and 
although the system detects its presence, the card won't work.  I've 
downloaded IVTV drivers for my kernel (the old 0.49 versions for 2.6.11) 
and those load without error, but will not talk to the card.

All of the "how to" instructions I've found so far say you should test 
by doing a "cat" from /dev/video0.  The problem is that on my system 
this device doesn't exist.  One of the "how to" documents said you could 
create the /dev/video* devices manually, which I tried, but they were 
gone after reboot.  So I imagine that udev (if I understand its purpose 
correctly) isn't seeing the card.  Do you think this might indicate that 
the Hauppage might be bad?

Another bit of info: this is a dual-boot system, with Windows 98 on the 
other partition.  I tested the previous TV card first under Windows, and 
it worked right away.  But the drivers that came with the PVR-150 are 
for XP, so although Windows detected and identified the card correctly, 
the drivers wouldn't install.  After some searching, I downloaded a 
driver that might _possibly_ be right for the PVR-150 (it was supposed 
to support all cards with its particular chipset), but they didn't work 
either.  When I try to start WinTV 2000 it says it can't find some sort 
of filter device.  That could mean the card's bad, I suppose, or it 
could just be the wrong driver.

I'm thinking I may be missing some video components on Linux, since it 
doesn't create /dev/video* and I haven't tried a TV card before on this 
install.  But it doesn't seem likely, as I've downloaded and installed 
the many, many video-related packages to get Xine working.  But I'm 
still hopeful that I won't have to return this card.  Any suggestions of 
video-type packages that I might have missed?  (I suppose I could try 
upgrading to kernel 2.6.18 as the IVTV docs suggested, so I can get more 
recent drivers, but I think my problem is more fundamental than that.)

Thanks,
Vaughn


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Re: gEDA-user: Footprint naming convention

2007-09-02 Thread John Luciani
On 9/1/07, andrewm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am presently drawing up footprints for my stock components.
>
> I have read the naming conventions for the footprints and have
> done some searches but can't find an answer to this query.
>
> I have for many components two different foot prints.  I would
> like to know if there is a convention to naming the multiples.
>
> I don't mean I have a device that comes in a DIP40 and also
> comes in a TQFP44.  I mean I wish to have two version of a
> MSSOP28W (0.65mm 28 lead 5.3mm wide package)
> footprint.
>
> I would like one version of the footprint following the
> manufacturer approved pin width/length.  I would also like
> another version with longer pins that I use in prototype
> boards that I will hand solder.

If you followed a manufacturer's specification I would use a suffix
that calls out the specific manufacturer and package
designation (e.g. "__TI_DRC_Package")

IPC-7351 calls out an environment use suffix which you could probably use
for designating larger prototype pads. The "Most Material" condition
may work for
your prototype fooprints and the "Nominal Material" for a production process.

M ... Most Material
N ... Nominal Material
L ... Least Material

I am thinking of adding the suffixes "MM", "NM", "LM" to my naming convention
to correspond to the IPC-7351 material conditions.

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Re: gEDA-user: Units used by software

2007-09-02 Thread andrewm
 >> andrewm wrote:
 >> 
 >> If it's not been done by anyone already I am going
 >> to just write some kind of parser that does it for
 >> me external.

 > DJ Delorie wrote:
 > Sounds like a useful tool.  Teach it to allow
 > overrides on a per-value basis (like my 2pad script
 > does).  I.e.:
 >
 >   Pin[0.2 0.2 0.5 0.2 0.2 10mil 0.1]
 >
 > Hmm^2... teach pcb's parser to support a unit suffix
 > on each value! We only need mil and mm, but the
 > mechanism should allow for more as needed.  It won't
 > *save* that way, but it lets you read in footprints
 > with human-simpler values.

OK - well I am not very bright and the chances of me
modifying the code tree for PCB without breaking
something are slim to none.  So I shall do it external.

I will public the code, however I would have to prefix
it with a warning that veiwing my C style may cause
people to run away screaming "my eyes my eyes".   It
really is that ugly.

If no one has any better suggestions I am going to make
it take one input file read-modify-write it.

Any line in the file that has a dimension suffix it will
comment out, add a comment line to say it is
autogenerated and then put the computer readable
centimil version.

Eg.

pin[0.2mm 0.2 0.5 0.2 0.2 10mil 0.1mm]

in the file would end up

#pin[0.2mm 0.2 0.5 0.2mm 0.2mm 10mil 0.1mm]
# The following line was automatically generated

pin[7874 7874 19685 7874 7874 1000 3937]


That should mean that you can un-comment the old version
and try again if you made a mistake.

I will make it so that you only need to sufix the unit
if it changes.  In the example above only the first
dimension had a sufix until the units changes at 10mil
and then the next metric after that one needed a sufix
again.

Or is this getting to complex to document for people ?
(it's trivial code wise but may cause headaches in terms
of noob questions)

Finaly any objections to

mm = Millimeter
um = Micrometer
mil = thousanth of an inch
cmil = 100 thousanth of an inch




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