Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Hello together, thank you very much for the very interesting answers ... ;-) Actually I am just using my Ubunutu Linux in a Virtual Box. I would like to do more with Linux, but I do not have the time. In my live at work, I just have Windows available (with Mentor Boardstation in X-Windows). Finally I tried XCFE over the weekend. But it looks like that Gnome 2 shows more performance in a VirtualBox than XCFE. Hopyfully Ubunut keeps the Clasic option ... Regards, Markus PS: At the computer at my basement, I have native Linux running :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Josh Jordan wrote: > I have given osx a good try and found it > lacks basic features such as expanding a window to take up half the > screen, you have to buy an app for that! You can also use ShiftIt [1]. -- Andrea [1] http://code.google.com/p/shiftit/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:27 PM, yamazakir2 wrote: > To this day I still am not sure why anyone would willing use a mac. I > have been consistent in this stance for the past 20+ years when I was > forced to use a mac in elementary school for the first time. 20 years ago was the time of systems 6 and 7, the Mac's low point. The basic problem was that the original Mac "system" was not really an "operating system". It was essentially a library of utility functions for standalone programs. While that was sensible for a graphical computer with 128k RAM, 64k ROM, and a floppy, it didn't scale well. The common resource management that is the essence of an operating system was gradually added on as "features". This did not work well, causing conflict and instability that increased with successive system versions up to 7. By MacOS8, Apple had at least figured out the nature of the mess they were in, and were able to take some steps toward fixing it, but they didn't have a truly solid foundation until MacOSX. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Hello all: El 05/08/11 21:35, yamazakir2 escribió: Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? From 2002 to today, only Linux box. Between 1998/99 to 2001, a dual boot system, mostly in Linux. At first, I use Suse but fast change to Debian, actually in Sid. When switch to PowerPC architecture on 2005, I give a try to Mac OS X but I found that free apps are not so easy to stay update and delete Mac OS. In PowerPC, we have to suffer the lack of flash (gnash is not at option, for videos I use minitube and Get_flash_videos) and the poor support of video card that maintain far from 3D gamming, but Wesnoth is so good. In work, I installed a Debian Stable server three years ago for general use. Is used for all (Kde and Gnome desktop), over ten or eleven users, in a thin client network (we use Tcos project [0], the best option for thin clients at my opinion and experience). Actually, all users are happy with the os and desktop. Only use a W2k3, running in a virtual machine with Xen, over a terminal server session for technical apps (we work on refrigeration, there are no options in free world, althoug several of this can run in wine) and Autocad (sigh). For the initial question, I use Kde 4.6 on Debian Sid: Konsole is *the* application, and konqueror have the advantage of having a tab with file directories, other tab with web, other tab with pdf... Only my point of view. Best regards. Salud y Revolución. Lobo. [0] http://www.tcosproject.org -- Libertad es poder elegir en cualquier momento. Ahora yo elijo GNU/Linux, para no atar mis manos con las cadenas del soft propietario. - Desde El Ejido, en Almería, usuario registrado Linux #294013 http://www.counter.li.org ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On 08/05/11 14:35, yamazakir2 wrote: Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? Both. Email is via Mozilla thunderbird, which seems to handle cross platform things well. I still don't have a player for .wmv video working though. Using Firefox with the latest flash plugin gives you youtube and vimeo movie formats, and sound is working more ways with less hangups and with less configuring than several years ago. Open office is working well enough to communicate with a few windows users without too much loss. If you needed to communicate quickly with a team of windows users, it might pay to use a vmware windows install on linux to access documents quickly without changing them any so they can be used for updates. I was liking a few KDE apps, like kword, but KDE got so invasive and took up so much disk space, I stopped using it. My linux install, with lots of engineering project data takes up close to 17GB, and I have stacks of cheap 20GB 80pin SCSI drives I back up to, so I don't want to let it expand any further for a couple of years... then maybe backups on servers will be the thing to do. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On 08/05/2011 03:35 PM, yamazakir2 wrote: > Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? > I ask because I have tried many times to make the switch to linux for > general desktop usage but can't get over the inconvenience of it. I > have a linux box specifically for EDA (gschem, pcb, spice simulations, > etc), so I couldn't care less what the WM is. It could be motif for > all I care. I've been free from Micro$oft for 11 years. -- Darryl Gibson N2DIY Linux, free software, for the people, by the people. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On 8/5/11 3:35 PM, yamazakir2 wrote: Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? I ask because I have tried many times to make the switch to linux for general desktop usage but can't get over the inconvenience of it. I have a linux box specifically for EDA (gschem, pcb, spice simulations, etc), so I couldn't care less what the WM is. It could be motif for all I care. I use UNIX derivatives exclusively for both desktop and server duty; Solaris, MacOS X, and Linux. I never made the switch TO Windows, because when I put it side-by-side with my UNIX workstation (a DECstation running Ultrix) it was just terrible, and it never seemed to get any better. I can easily say that "I could never get over the inconvenience of it". ;) I certainly won't actually *depend* on Windows for anything, though I tend to enjoy it when people who do, and then pay me to clean up the resulting mess! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
yamazakir2 wrote: > Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? Yes. And yes, this includes 3D gaming ;-) The only thing I do in windows is to print a batch of labels for front panels. I boot winxp in a virtual box for this. When I bought the labelwriter I was quite annoyed, that there was no way to use it without a runninng windows-OS. Just googled again and surprise: In the meantime someone has hacked up a way to talk to the device as a CUPS printer :-) ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de -> not happy with moderation of geda-user mailinglist ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On 8/5/11 4:27 PM, yamazakir2 wrote: To this day I still am not sure why anyone would willing use a mac. I have been consistent in this stance for the past 20+ years when I was forced to use a mac in elementary school for the first time. I had the same attitude until they trashed the crappy "original" OS and replaced it with UNIX. It's good stuff now. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Josh Jordan wrote: >I've had the same trouble with recent ubuntu release looking like osx. >Debian sounds like a good alternative to ubuntu even without the window >manager issues. >Does anyone use geda on osx? I have given osx a good try and found it >lacks basic features such as expanding a window to take up half the >screen, you have to buy an app for that! > I use gEDA on Mac OSX, it is great. A base os that I don't have to configure, or worry about upgrades and such. And all of the Unix goodness that I come to expect from a computer. macports has earlier releases of gEDA, but I run from git head. Using macports to install the dependencies. As for dividing up the screen, the window management is a different mind set, the maximize button is really "Make the window the optimal size" button. When I want to have exact control of window sizes I use an application called divvy. It has hot keys that I use to place windows where is want them. Steve ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
To this day I still am not sure why anyone would willing use a mac. I have been consistent in this stance for the past 20+ years when I was forced to use a mac in elementary school for the first time. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:53 PM, John Doty wrote: > > On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:35 PM, yamazakir2 wrote: > >> Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? > > For general desktop use, I tend to gravitate to the MacBook, but I'm not > limited to it. If I need a lot of windows in view, the Linux box with two > monitors is the machine of choice if I'm in the office. > > The totalitarian regularity of Mac applications is convenient for general > desktop use, but not necessary. As Apple's hostility to users (as opposed to > passive consumers) appears to be on the rise, it is likely that I will be > phasing out the Mac in the future. > > John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. > http://www.noqsi.com/ > j...@noqsi.com > > > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:35 PM, yamazakir2 wrote: > Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? For general desktop use, I tend to gravitate to the MacBook, but I'm not limited to it. If I need a lot of windows in view, the Linux box with two monitors is the machine of choice if I'm in the office. The totalitarian regularity of Mac applications is convenient for general desktop use, but not necessary. As Apple's hostility to users (as opposed to passive consumers) appears to be on the rise, it is likely that I will be phasing out the Mac in the future. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:35:38 -0700 yamazakir2 wrote: > Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? I use my system for EDA and for everything else - regular desktop stuff, games, movies, etc. -- "There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves." http://digitalaudioconcepts.com Vanessa Ezekowitz ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:35:38PM -0700, yamazakir2 wrote: > Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? > I ask because I have tried many times to make the switch to linux for > general desktop usage but can't get over the inconvenience of it. I > have a linux box specifically for EDA (gschem, pcb, spice simulations, > etc), so I couldn't care less what the WM is. It could be motif for > all I care. > Just Linux, going on ten years now. Interesting that you call it "inconvienent". Perhaps with the default window managers (KDE 3/4 and Gnome 2/3 all seem hard to navigate by keyboard, while Win7 is excellent IMHO). And being nearly all Linux software is uselessly named, I would imagine finding programs to be a pain at first...only at first though. But having find/grep/sed/cat/awk/gcc/git/vi/ssh/sftp/mutt all at my fingertips more than makes up for that. Plus all my music is in FLAC or OGG format. -- Andrew Poelstra Email: asp11 at sfu.ca OR apoelstra at wpsoftware.net Web: http://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Ubuntu 11.04 on my wife's netbook and on my notebook (watching video, sound editing, Eclipse, gEDA, games) and Fedora 14 on home fileserver (svn, Jenkins, backups). 2011/8/5 yamazakir2 <[1]yamazak...@gmail.com> Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? I ask because I have tried many times to make the switch to linux for general desktop usage but can't get over the inconvenience of it. I have a linux box specifically for EDA (gschem, pcb, spice simulations, etc), so I couldn't care less what the WM is. It could be motif for all I care. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Karl Hammar <[2]k...@aspodata.se> wrote: > Philipp: >> Am 04.08.2011 21:33, schrieb DJ Delorie: >> >> just log out, >> > Log out? Log OUT? What's that? ;-) >> How do you upgrade kernels? > > [3]http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec/index.html > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar > > --- > Aspö Data > Lilla Aspö 148 > S-742 94 Östhammar > Sweden > [4]+46 173 140 57 > > > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > [5]geda-user@moria.seul.org > [6]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > ___ geda-user mailing list [7]geda-user@moria.seul.org [8]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. mailto:yamazak...@gmail.com 2. mailto:k...@aspodata.se 3. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec/index.html 4. tel:%2B46%20173%20140%2057 5. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 6. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user 7. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 8. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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Just Linux. Fedora 14, for everything from EDA to watching television and playing video games. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Do you guys use your linux box for general desktop usage or only EDA? I ask because I have tried many times to make the switch to linux for general desktop usage but can't get over the inconvenience of it. I have a linux box specifically for EDA (gschem, pcb, spice simulations, etc), so I couldn't care less what the WM is. It could be motif for all I care. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Karl Hammar wrote: > Philipp: >> Am 04.08.2011 21:33, schrieb DJ Delorie: >> >> just log out, >> > Log out? Log OUT? What's that? ;-) >> How do you upgrade kernels? > > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec/index.html > > Regards, > /Karl Hammar > > --- > Aspö Data > Lilla Aspö 148 > S-742 94 Östhammar > Sweden > +46 173 140 57 > > > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Philipp: > Am 04.08.2011 21:33, schrieb DJ Delorie: > >> just log out, > > Log out? Log OUT? What's that? ;-) > How do you upgrade kernels? http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec/index.html Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Josh Jordan wrote: > manager issues. >Does anyone use geda on osx? Sure. Works fine. Of late, it's been my main platform for gEDA, since I've been on the road a lot, and the MacBook has a bigger screen than the Linux netbook. > I have given osx a good try and found it >lacks basic features such as expanding a window to take up half the >screen, you have to buy an app for that! Basic feature? Nah. Given the general capability to resize a window to any useful size, there is no need to have a feature here. Good software design avoids such trivial special-case features. They just add to the fog. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ j...@noqsi.com ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
I've had the same trouble with recent ubuntu release looking like osx. Debian sounds like a good alternative to ubuntu even without the window manager issues. Does anyone use geda on osx? I have given osx a good try and found it lacks basic features such as expanding a window to take up half the screen, you have to buy an app for that! --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: From: Kai-Martin Knaak Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA To: geda-u...@seul.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 1:53 PM Colin D Bennett wrote: >> But Ubuntu team promice to remove this feature on next realeses... > > I promise if that happens, I will to switch to Debian... and from what I > have heard I will be joined by MANY others. I am already there --- since 1997 :-) It is the mother ship of distros, and the one with the largest inventory of applications. Depending on your needs you can choose between a rolling update (testing), rock solid 18 month release (stable), or bleeding edge packages (sid). There are ways to smoothly migrate between these. The social contract appeals to me, too. Unless they get overly picky with license terms, I am going to stick with Debian. ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover [1]http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de -> not happy with moderation of geda-user mailinglist ___ geda-user mailing list [2]geda-user@moria.seul.org [3]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de/ 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=geda-user@moria.seul.org 3. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
> How do you upgrade kernels? Why do you think I rebooted 60 days ago? ;-) Mostly, though, I just update everything except the kernel. ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Colin D Bennett wrote: >> But Ubuntu team promice to remove this feature on next realeses... > > I promise if that happens, I will to switch to Debian... and from what I > have heard I will be joined by MANY others. I am already there --- since 1997 :-) It is the mother ship of distros, and the one with the largest inventory of applications. Depending on your needs you can choose between a rolling update (testing), rock solid 18 month release (stable), or bleeding edge packages (sid). There are ways to smoothly migrate between these. The social contract appeals to me, too. Unless they get overly picky with license terms, I am going to stick with Debian. ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak tel: +49-511-762-2895 Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik fax: +49-511-762-2211 Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de -> not happy with moderation of geda-user mailinglist ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Am 04.08.2011 21:33, schrieb DJ Delorie: > >> just log out, > > Log out? Log OUT? What's that? ;-) How do you upgrade kernels? Philipp ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On 08/04/11 13:08, Markus wrote: What desktop are you using for gEDA? Xfce on debian unstable ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:08:31 +0200 "Markus" wrote: > Hello, > > currently I am running the actual Ubunut Version and the new Unity > (Gnome 3.0) Desktop. But I am not very happy with the new desktop. > I am thinking about changing to xcfe. > > What desktop are you using for gEDA? > (are the any advantages or disadvantages for KDE, Gnome or XCFE in > relation to gEDA?) I use openbox without any window decorations, black background. I use the keyboard a lot. The system is Debian 6.0. Two monitors. At work I use Ubuntu something (I don't really care), two monitors and dumped down XFCE. Levente -- Kovacs Levente Voice: +36705071002 ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:08:31 +0200 "Markus" wrote: > Hello, > [...] > > What desktop are you using for gEDA? Debian "Squeeze" 6.0.1a, XFCE 4.6.2 across two monitors, gEDA from Debian's repository, PCB from git. -- "There are some things in life worth obsessing over. Most things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves." http://digitalaudioconcepts.com Vanessa Ezekowitz ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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> I can remember that you built something like a power meter some time > ago. What is the power consumption of your box, and how much arctic > polar ice have you melt in the last 60 days? Just because I'm not using it, doesn't mean it's not busy. That circuit costs me about $40 per month. Basement servers cost about $60/mo. In fact, it took me a while to figure out exactly when to run backups, so that they don't start until I go to bed, and finish before I come in in the morning... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On 8/4/11 7:50 PM, David Griffith wrote: I'm using fvwm2 but my setup is far from normal in many ways ;-) Ahh, that was my WM of choice for many years! Great stuff. I kept using fvwm1 for a few years after fvwm2 came out. As did I. I remember sitting in front of my machine (SPARCstation-5 at the time) migrating my .fvwmrc file one setting at a time. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 15:33 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > just log out, > > Log out? Log OUT? What's that? ;-) > > Uptime 60 days, logged in 60 days ago... > I can remember that you built something like a power meter some time ago. What is the power consumption of your box, and how much arctic polar ice have you melt in the last 60 days? Just switch it off (if not absolutely necessary) -- Nancy Reagan would say. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Dave McGuire wrote: On 8/4/11 2:25 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: I'm using fvwm2 but my setup is far from normal in many ways ;-) Ahh, that was my WM of choice for many years! Great stuff. I kept using fvwm1 for a few years after fvwm2 came out. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
hello Markus, I've also switched to gnome3, since it's shipped with Fedora. I hated it and now I like it. It's a complete new look and feel. Give it a try, learn the shortcuts. I do the most of my tasks with the keyboard and that's much better in gnome3 than in previous versions. I haven't noticed any problems with geda, yet. best regards Felix ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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Drifting off topic ... but going with the flow somewhat: I've been running Linux Mint Debian Edition 64bit since about February this year. Very impressed. I like the rolling distro idea. So far nothing serious has broken and have not had to be too techy with it. There are some good ideas coming later in the summer to make it easier to update too. The standard Mint Gnome desktop is dull but does me fine. I can't be bothered to change it. I also have Linux Mint Debian Edition 32bit XFCE running on an EEE PC 701 which seems to run OK (it doesn't play too well with hibernate but that's not surprising as it has no swap partition). Cheers, Andy. signality.co.uk 2011/8/4 David Griffith : > On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Павел Таранов wrote: > >> I'm currently using Ubuntu 11.04 with classic Gnome (you can switch on GDM >> prompt). >> >> But Ubuntu team promice to remove this feature on next realeses... > > Nonsense like that is why I ditched Ubuntu for straight Debian. Now, seeing > the writing on the wall, I'm trying to acclimate myself to XFCE. So far so > good. There are some nits I'm working out. > > -- > David Griffith > dgri...@cs.csubak.edu > > > ___ > geda-user mailing list > geda-user@moria.seul.org > http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user > > ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Павел Таранов wrote: I'm currently using Ubuntu 11.04 with classic Gnome (you can switch on GDM prompt). But Ubuntu team promice to remove this feature on next realeses... Nonsense like that is why I ditched Ubuntu for straight Debian. Now, seeing the writing on the wall, I'm trying to acclimate myself to XFCE. So far so good. There are some nits I'm working out. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On 8/4/11 3:29 PM, Colin D Bennett wrote: I'm currently using Ubuntu 11.04 with classic Gnome (you can switch on GDM prompt). But Ubuntu team promice to remove this feature on next realeses... I promise if that happens, I will to switch to Debian... and from what I have heard I will be joined by MANY others. I'm right there with you. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On 8/4/11 2:25 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: I'm using fvwm2 but my setup is far from normal in many ways ;-) Ahh, that was my WM of choice for many years! Great stuff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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> just log out, Log out? Log OUT? What's that? ;-) Uptime 60 days, logged in 60 days ago... ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:29:39 +0300 Павел Таранов wrote: > I'm currently using Ubuntu 11.04 with classic Gnome (you can switch > on GDM prompt). > > But Ubuntu team promice to remove this feature on next realeses... I promise if that happens, I will to switch to Debian... and from what I have heard I will be joined by MANY others. > 2011/8/4 Markus > > > Hello, > > > > currently I am running the actual Ubunut Version and the new Unity > > (Gnome 3.0) Desktop. But I am not very happy with the new desktop. I use Gnome also. The Unity desktop seemed interesting at first, but it has some serious progressive slowdown bugs that completely kill it. I switched to the Ubuntu Classic session. > > I am thinking about changing to xcfe. > > > > What desktop are you using for gEDA? > > > > (are the any advantages or disadvantages for KDE, Gnome or XCFE > > in relation to gEDA?) No, really it is a matter of personal preference about appearance, configurability, and especially what “core desktop applications” you prefer. When I say core desktop applications, I mean that KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc. have many applications such as file manager, CD/DVD burner, web browser, e-mail client, terminal applications, archive manager, etc. that they provide or integrate most seamlessly with. However, you can certainly mix an match. For instance, I use Firefox instead of Konqueror (KDE) or Epiphany (Gnome), and Claws instead of Kmail or Evolution. But k3b is the most powerful CD/DVD burner, so I use that even on Gnome. I use GIMP even on KDE. You can certainly switch desktop managers/window managers often: just log out, choose a different session, and log back in. It's not a big deal. Regards, Colin ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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> Ditto about my setup. ;-) Four monitors on one PC, xdm + xterm + fvwm2 with four virtual desktops, custom menu bar app, hotkeys all map to a script which detects which virtual desktop is showing and redirects the commands to one of two machines (the other uses remote X plus ssh). Makes it all look like a seamless hotkey between two PCs. Note: this is where I work too, hence the tech overkill ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 08:08:31PM +0200, Markus wrote: > >What desktop are you using for gEDA? > I use wmii. Evidently this is the worst place you could have asked.. ;) -- Andrew Poelstra Email: asp11 at sfu.ca OR apoelstra at wpsoftware.net Web: http://www.wpsoftware.net/andrew/ ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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I'm currently using Ubuntu 11.04 with classic Gnome (you can switch on GDM prompt). But Ubuntu team promice to remove this feature on next realeses... 2011/8/4 Markus <[1]g...@traidl.de> Hello, currently I am running the actual Ubunut Version and the new Unity (Gnome 3.0) Desktop. But I am not very happy with the new desktop. I am thinking about changing to xcfe. What desktop are you using for gEDA? (are the any advantages or disadvantages for KDE, Gnome or XCFE in relation to gEDA?) Best regards, Markus ___ geda-user mailing list [2]geda-user@moria.seul.org [3]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user References 1. mailto:g...@traidl.de 2. mailto:geda-user@moria.seul.org 3. http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 02:25:05PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > What desktop are you using for gEDA? > I'm using fvwm2 but my setup is far from normal in many ways ;-) evilwm FTW! Unless someone out there is using ratpoison. :-p Ditto about my setup. ;-) - Larry ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
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> What desktop are you using for gEDA? I'm using fvwm2 but my setup is far from normal in many ways ;-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
gEDA-user: Linux Desktop für gEDA
Hello, currently I am running the actual Ubunut Version and the new Unity (Gnome 3.0) Desktop. But I am not very happy with the new desktop. I am thinking about changing to xcfe. What desktop are you using for gEDA? (are the any advantages or disadvantages for KDE, Gnome or XCFE in relation to gEDA?) Best regards, Markus ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
