Re: gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-21 Thread Jonatan Åkerlind
On tor, 2006-12-21 at 09:40 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
> 
> There is a setting for mouse snap to line ends snap distance, I think, but 
> could 
> not find it in the manual just now.  I make sure my lines are on grid with a 
> larger grid setting than 1 mil.  5 mils is enough, and more can be good also. 
> The place on a line end to grab -- the line dragging handle -- is the center 
> of 
> the circle or semicircle that forms the line end.   When you got the entire 
> line 
> to move, you might have had it selected, or your mouse landed on the line, 
> not 
> on the line-end-circle's center.
> 
> The PCB menu Settings-->ThinDraw or toggling default keybinding i 
> changes 
> all traces between a centerline only appearance where the line end is the 
> grab 
> handle, and normal view showing the extent of copper for a trace.
> 
> With a 5 mil grid, I can select and  move lines well while looking at about 
> 2500 
> mils across my screen, a fairly "high" view, which always helps productivity.
> 
> John G

thanks, will try your tips with my next design

/jonatan



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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-21 Thread Jonatan Åkerlind
On tor, 2006-12-21 at 09:43 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
> What I do is hide the silk layer.  That prevents you from grabbing
> elements.
> 
yes, me too

> If we can get the "grab trace end" functionality working more
> smoothly, it sounds like you just need "snap to intersecting trace"
> added (in addition to snap to pad, pin, or grid).

Actually I personally don't like to snap to other things than the grid.
Mostly because even if the snap is working as intended my experience is
that it will snap to things not wanted. So for me personally I would
prefer the trim/extend explained above (being used to AutoCAD and QCad).

/Jonatan



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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-21 Thread DJ Delorie

> There is a setting for mouse snap to line ends snap distance, I
> think, but could not find it in the manual just now.

Looks like it's fixed at 10 pixels, assuming nothing else gets in the way.


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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-21 Thread John Griessen



Jonatan Åkerlind wrote:


Do you mean apart from grabbing the ends and dragging them (which seems
to work ok for me)?


I thought that didn't work, but now when I try it actually does :-)
Anyway it is hard to grab the end,


There is a setting for mouse snap to line ends snap distance, I think, but could 
not find it in the manual just now.  I make sure my lines are on grid with a 
larger grid setting than 1 mil.  5 mils is enough, and more can be good also. 
The place on a line end to grab -- the line dragging handle -- is the center of 
the circle or semicircle that forms the line end.   When you got the entire line 
to move, you might have had it selected, or your mouse landed on the line, not 
on the line-end-circle's center.


The PCB menu Settings-->ThinDraw or toggling default keybinding i changes 
all traces between a centerline only appearance where the line end is the grab 
handle, and normal view showing the extent of copper for a trace.


With a 5 mil grid, I can select and  move lines well while looking at about 2500 
mils across my screen, a fairly "high" view, which always helps productivity.


John G


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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-21 Thread DJ Delorie

> Anyway it is hard to grab the end, because I was moving some
> elements and wanted to change the length of some traces but all I
> was able to do was to move the whole trace.

What I do is hide the silk layer.  That prevents you from grabbing
elements.

> But, then perhaps something like real trim/extend would be nice: you
> select the trim/extend tool and select the trace that defines the
> limit to extend to/trim at, and then you select the trace to
> trim/extend which will then be trimmed at/extended to the previous
> selected trace.

If we can get the "grab trace end" functionality working more
smoothly, it sounds like you just need "snap to intersecting trace"
added (in addition to snap to pad, pin, or grid).


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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-21 Thread Jonatan Åkerlind
On tor, 2006-12-21 at 09:28 +, Peter Baxendale wrote:
> Do you mean apart from grabbing the ends and dragging them (which seems
> to work ok for me)?

I thought that didn't work, but now when I try it actually does :-)
Anyway it is hard to grab the end, because I was moving some elements
and wanted to change the length of some traces but all I was able to do
was to move the whole trace.

But, then perhaps something like real trim/extend would be nice:
you select the trim/extend tool and select the trace that defines the
limit to extend to/trim at, and then you select the trace to trim/extend
which will then be trimmed at/extended to the previous selected trace.

/Jonatan



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Re: gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-21 Thread Peter Baxendale
Do you mean apart from grabbing the ends and dragging them (which seems
to work ok for me)?

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 07:47 +0100, Jonatan Åkerlind wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is there a way to trim and/or extend traces in PCB? 
> If not, this would be a very nice feature to have.
> 
> /Jonatan
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gEDA-user: PCB Trim/extend traces

2006-12-20 Thread Jonatan Åkerlind
Hi!

Is there a way to trim and/or extend traces in PCB? 
If not, this would be a very nice feature to have.

/Jonatan



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