[gentoo-user] Re: prevent downgrade

[Einar S. Idsø]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 08:48:01 +0200
Alex Huth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've merge INN-2.3.5, wich is a masked package. How can i prevent the
> package from a delete and downgrade during "emerge -u world"?

emerge -U world (capital U)

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[gentoo-user] prevent downgrade

[Alex Huth]

Hi guys!

I've merge INN-2.3.5, wich is a masked package. How can i prevent the package 
from a delete and downgrade during "emerge -u world"?

Thanks 


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[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Building a cloop image

[Doug Lawlor]

I forgot to say that I am trying to do this on a slackware 9 box and am 
using cloop-0.66 from the knopix distribution.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] Building a cloop image

[Zack Gilburd]

On Monday 23 June 2003 22:49, Doug Lawlor wrote:
> Hello list, I am in the process of updating the gentoo iso to meat my
> needs here and was wondering how to use the cloop package to build the
> compressed loop back image.  Here is what I have done so far:
> 1.  created a file of the proper size with 'dd'.
> 2.  put an ext2 file system in the file using mke2fs -F file name
> 3.  mounted the file and copied files and directories into this file.
> I can not get the following to work.
> 4.  'create_compressed_fs 512 filename'.  Create_compressed_fs seems to
> write the image to swap space ok and then I see a bunch of garbage
> printed on the screen.  Is this program writing to standard output
> instead of a file?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Doug

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[rw]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 02:02:15AM -0400, Owen Gunden wrote:

> I /insist/ that they be stored in a sensible way in the
> filesystem for mutt users, and my definition of sensible doesn't include
> Courier's dot-heirarchy maildirs :).  

Hmmm...

You might want to at least try the following in your ~/.muttrc before
you blow away courier-imap:

set spoolfile=imap://localhost/INBOX
set folder=imap://localhost/INBOX
set imap_user=owen  # or whatever
mailboxes =folder1 =folder2

You might even prefer this to accessing the maildirs directly (imap
support in mutt-1.5.4i is fast enough for me as long as you're accessing
a fast IMAP server over the loopback interface -- it's accessing slow
IMAP servers over the internet that's unbearable).

I've actually started running this way at home so I don't have to
remember to prefix my folders with "." before tab-completing them in
mutt.

UW has gone to great pains to be as compatible as possible but as I
said it has problems scaling.  UW is the canonical reference platform,
but cyrus, courier, et al are pretty feature rich and fast.  UW stores
things in old-style mbox files ("From " separated mail in a single file
-- but with an adjunct database of indexes into the file to speed things
up, IIRC).

I used to /insist/ that everything went in /etc/rc.local but all-in-all
I'm much happier doing things the gentoo way.  :-)

You might decide the cyrus/courier way is a little more sensible than
you thought (especially when you start adding users to your server).

As far as I know, UW doesn't support maildir at all -- just the "folders
at the same level level" rather than the "folders below INBOX" abstraction.
You can go back to UW and IMP, but I think you're going to go back to
mbox in the bargain.

It's not that hard to get used to.  Honest.  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/share/dict/words missing?

[Owen Gunden]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:30:15AM -0400, wes chow wrote:
> sys-apps/miscfiles
> 
> It's a part of system:
> 
> kambei root # emerge -p --emptytree system | grep miscfiles
> [ebuild  N   ] sys-apps/miscfiles-1.3

Thanks, that _is_ helpful, but..


[EMAIL PROTECTED] grep ACCEPT_KEYWORDS /etc/make.conf
# would add '~x86' to ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to enable unstable/testing packages.
#ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arch"


[EMAIL PROTECTED] emerge -p miscfiles
 
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
  
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R  ] sys-apps/miscfiles-1.3-r2


So I have a different version of miscfiles than you, even though I'm not
using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS.

Nonetheless, in /usr/portage/sys-apps/miscfiles/miscfiles-1.3-r2.ebuild we
have:

src_install() {
einstall || die

# Remove this, as it causes language clash in ispell
rm ${D}/usr/share/dict/words
dodoc GNU* NEWS ORIGIN README dict-README
}

Which makes me think there could be a bug here.  

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Owen Gunden]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:42:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I was already suspicious that UW-IMAP could do what I wanted it to do, and
> > now I'm even more suspicious that it will at least come close.  
> 
> UW is excellent for home use, but it has scaling/performance issues for heavy
> use.

I don't expect heavy use anytime in the near future.

> > Since all I really want is webmail + mutt, maybe what I need is a webmail
> > client that works directly with the maildirs.  I wonder if such a client
> > exists...
> 
> If you've already got Courier IMAP working, why not just install
> SquirrelMail and point it at your (local) IMAP server?  That's exactly
> what I do -- works like a champ.

Simply because I'm picky and I don't like the way Courier lays out the
mailboxes.  I /insist/ that they be stored in a sensible way in the
filesystem for mutt users, and my definition of sensible doesn't include
Courier's dot-heirarchy maildirs :).  

I'm trying to set up something similar to a site I've used before, which
used IMP, UW IMAP (I think), mutt, and mbox folders.  It lets you make
folders directly under ~/Mail/ with mutt, and they show up nicely in IMP
webmail.  The two main differences between that setup and my ideal setup is
that I would like to use squirrelmail and maildirs.  It basically just
comes down to UW's support for maildirs at this point, I think.

ta,
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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Gëzim]

Hmm, that's strange!
I had some linux distro and windows since last year,
but there was no problem with the clock or anything. I
think this time what may have done it is some power
managment tools in the kernel, because before I didn't
compile such things in the kernel and no problem with
the clock. Now I need to find out where in the kernel
those (power managment) things can be found.


--- Stephen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > Note: it's the windows clock too.
> > > 
> ;) theres your answer LOL. joking aside i found that
> sometimes after
> installing a linux distro (not gentoo tho) i would
> get midi errors on
> windoze i also had isues under windose where the nic
> card would
> temperarily not work for that session till i
> rebooted. i came to the
> conclusion somehow linux was holding onto the
> hardware or something? it
> was weird but it seemed as if linux was fighting
> with win98 for control!
> even tho neither would run at the same given time!
> dont ask me, it happend
> sometimes out of the blue but it would happen every
> time if xfree or
> another app crashed. at the time i had found a bug
> in kde with background
> settings and was playing with it :-p. i know i cant
> give you any answers
> but maybe i can help you get an idea of whats funky?
> interesting story
> anyways.
> 
> ps: dont know if it still works but in kde try
> running an executable on
> the background/root window like xplanet (i think is
> the name?)or something
> and setting a back ground image ;) crashed kde every
> time for me! 
> 
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[gentoo-user] Building a cloop image

[Doug Lawlor]

Hello list, I am in the process of updating the gentoo iso to meat my 
needs here and was wondering how to use the cloop package to build the 
compressed loop back image.  Here is what I have done so far:
1.  created a file of the proper size with 'dd'.  
2.  put an ext2 file system in the file using mke2fs -F file name
3.  mounted the file and copied files and directories into this file.  
I can not get the following to work.  
4.  'create_compressed_fs 512 filename'.  Create_compressed_fs seems to 
write the image to swap space ok and then I see a bunch of garbage 
printed on the screen.  Is this program writing to standard output 
instead of a file?  

Thanks in advance for any help.  

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[gentoo-user] compile error with beast.

[Spundun Bhatt]

I just tried compiling media-sound/beast . I get the compile erro . The
trailing part is as follows.

---
gcc -DG_ENABLE_DEBUG -g -ggdb3 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-cond-mismatch
-ffor-sco pe -Wno-cast-qual -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes
-Wmissing-declarations -Winline -Wm issing-noreturn -Wredundant-decls
-O2 -pipe -fstrength-reduce -fexpensive-optimi zations
-finline-functions -frerun-cse-after-loop -frerun-loop-opt -fgcse -fno-k
eep-static-consts -o .libs/bsesh bsesh.o bsescminterp.o
-Wl,--export-dynamic -pt hread  ../bsw/.libs/libbsw.so
../bse/.libs/libbse.so -L/usr/lib ../sfi/.libs/lib sfi.so
/usr/lib/libguile.so /usr/lib/libguile-ltdl.so /usr/lib/libqthreads.so
-l crypt /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so /usr/lib/libvorbisenc.so
/usr/lib/libvorbis.so / usr/lib/libogg.so /usr/lib/libmad.so -lm
/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/lib/lib gmodule-2.0.so -ldl
/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so -lpthread /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so  -lz
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.3/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: w 
arning: libqthreads.so.0, needed by /usr/lib/libguile.so, may conflict with libq 
threads.so.12
bsescminterp.o(.text+0x529): In function `bse_scm_from_value':
/var/tmp/portage/beast-0.5.1/work/beast-0.5.1/shell/bsescminterp.c:361:
undefine d reference to `scm_long_long2big'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [bsesh] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/beast-0.5.1/work/beast-0.5.1/shell'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/beast-0.5.1/work/beast-0.5.1'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
 
!!! ERROR: media-sound/beast-0.5.1 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 30, Exitcode 2
!!! (no error message)
 
---


---
root # emerge info
Portage 2.0.48-r1 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.3, glibc-2.3.2-r1)
=
System uname: 2.4.20 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo";
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /var/qmail/control /usr/kde/2/share/config
/usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb /usr/kde/3.1/share/config
/usr/share/config"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/env.d"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=""
USE="x86 oss 3dnow apm avi crypt cups encode gif jpeg libg++ libwww
mikmod mmx mpeg ncurses nls pdflib png quicktime spell truetype xml2
xmms xv zlib directfb gtkhtml gdbm berkdb slang readline aalib bonobo
svga tcltk guile X sdl gpm tcpd pam ssl perl python esd imlib oggvorbis
gnome gtk qt motif opengl mozilla ldap cdr 3dfx dga dvd gb gtk2 lirc
pcmcia pda radeon samba trusted vim-with-x -java -arts -kde -alsa"
COMPILER="gcc3"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="-O2 -mcpu=i686 -pipe"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
FEATURES="sandbox ccache"
---

An idea how to fix this? I really wanted to try this software.
Thanx
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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[rw]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:31:51AM -0400, Owen Gunden wrote:

> Thank you ever so much for the explanation!

Your welcome.

I used to work for Mirapoint explaining IMAP for a living  :-)

> I was already suspicious that UW-IMAP could do what I wanted it to do, and
> now I'm even more suspicious that it will at least come close.  

UW is excellent for home use, but it has scaling/performance issues for heavy
use.

> Since all I really want is webmail + mutt, maybe what I need is a webmail
> client that works directly with the maildirs.  I wonder if such a client
> exists...

If you've already got Courier IMAP working, why not just install
SquirrelMail and point it at your (local) IMAP server?  That's exactly
what I do -- works like a champ.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Chris I]

On 2003.06.23 20:48, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information 
overload.  However, what good threaded email clients are there?  So 
far I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and 
fast threaded email client I have found with good IMAP support.  What 
do you use?
I used mozilla mail as my mail client from 0.9.5 until balsa introduced 
gpg support. It is a very nice client, but I prefer firebird as a 
browser, which meant I couldnt check mail and browse the net at the 
same time. I use thunderbird when stuck in windows.

Balsa has good threading support, and imap support is adeqate, but is 
still more than usable.

-Chris I

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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Stephen Turner]

> > Note: it's the windows clock too.
> > 
;) theres your answer LOL. joking aside i found that sometimes after
installing a linux distro (not gentoo tho) i would get midi errors on
windoze i also had isues under windose where the nic card would
temperarily not work for that session till i rebooted. i came to the
conclusion somehow linux was holding onto the hardware or something? it
was weird but it seemed as if linux was fighting with win98 for control!
even tho neither would run at the same given time! dont ask me, it happend
sometimes out of the blue but it would happen every time if xfree or
another app crashed. at the time i had found a bug in kde with background
settings and was playing with it :-p. i know i cant give you any answers
but maybe i can help you get an idea of whats funky? interesting story
anyways.

ps: dont know if it still works but in kde try running an executable on
the background/root window like xplanet (i think is the name?)or something
and setting a back ground image ;) crashed kde every time for me! 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Chris I]

On 2003.06.23 22:09, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
General email guidelines:

-- Forward emails as attachment and not as inline text.
Why as an attatchment? I usually either bounce mail if it needs to be 
redirected, or forward inline for ease of reading. Some mail clients 
make it a pain to view attatchments, and some mailclients might not tag 
them as text/plain.

-- Use sigdashes (--) before your signature.
Just another clarification request? Back in the day it was used to 
separate one's signature from the message. This made it easy for 
scripts to parse incoming email (such as mailman or something), but why 
is this really neccessary on a regular basis?

Granted, i'll agree that email that just has "CI" or something on a 
line is kind of annoying, but (for example I will use my sig) a dash-
name could be used. Parsing of content is much harder, but that is 
really unneccessary for the most part.

-- When referring to a web resource provide web link rather than the 
resource itself.
-- When providing lengthy web links put on a new line to prevent 
mixing with remainder of text.
Also, on other mailing lists I'm on, links are often put in numbered 
footnotes. In things like the GWN, footnotes are after each paragraph 
rather than the end of the mail. Some people place footnotes after each 
paragraph un-numbered. Is this writer's preference?

-Chris I

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Owen Gunden]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:07:26PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [...]
> 
> That's just a preface, though.  There are basically two "flavors" of
> IMAP -- UW (University of Washington -- home of Mark Crispin, the author
> of RFC2060 and pretty much the father of IMAP) and Cyrus (from Carnegie
> Mellon University).  Courier happens to be of the latter flavor.

Interesting!

> With UW flavor, the separator character between folders and mailboxes is
> usually a "/", and mailboxes are often kept at the top level of
> hierarchy: you might have mailboxes "INBOX", "sent", and "work" for
> example, as well as a folder name "lists" containing mailboxes for
> gentoo named "lists/gentoo-user" and "lists/gentoo-doc".  

Yum.

> [...]
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> Rex


Thank you ever so much for the explanation!  I've been trying to figure
this stuff out for a while now, and your explanation has been the best I've
gotten by far.  

I was already suspicious that UW-IMAP could do what I wanted it to do, and
now I'm even more suspicious that it will at least come close.  

Since all I really want is webmail + mutt, maybe what I need is a webmail
client that works directly with the maildirs.  I wonder if such a client
exists...

Thanks again!
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Re: [gentoo-user] /usr/share/dict/words missing?

[wes chow]

sys-apps/miscfiles

It's a part of system:

kambei root # emerge -p --emptytree system | grep miscfiles
[ebuild  N   ] sys-apps/miscfiles-1.3


Wes


On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Owen Gunden wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm getting errors when trying to emerge ispell and bsd-games, and both of
> them seem to be failing because /usr/share/dict/words is missing.  I tried:
> 
> qpkg -f /usr/share/dict/words
> 
> but that didn't come up with anything at all.  
> 
> Does anyone know what package this file comes from?  Might it be a bug that
> ispell and bsd-games don't depend on this package?
> 
> Cheers,
> Owen
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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Chris I]

On 2003.06.23 23:45, Jens Mayer wrote:
* On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 20:38:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> SpamAssasin is the only non-Bayesian spam filter to consider).
Recent versions of SpamAssassin in fact do have Bayesian filters
implemented which can be easily (auto)trained. I'm using such a
setup with SpamAssassin 2.55 at the moment and it works very
well for me.
SpamAssassin w/ razor support here. One or two spams a month is very 
much better than what I previously was recieving, as illustrated by my 
automagic spam counter:

http://www.cidesign.ca/~chris/my-cgi/spam_count.cgi

-Chris I

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[rw]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:05:19AM -0400, Owen Gunden wrote:

> I'm using mutt with maildirs, but I can't get courier-imap to understand my
> folders because they're not named INBOX.whatever (and I don't want them to
> be!).  I would like them to be layed out as
> 
> ~/Mail/INBOX/
> ~/Mail/folder1/
> ~/Mail/folder2/
> ...

When worlds collide 

"~/Mail" implies a filesystem (and probably a Unix shell to expand the
"~") but "INBOX" implies IMAP.  They are two very different things.

Many IMAP servers (like Courier-IMAP) happen to use a filesystem to
store the mail, but this is invisible to IMAP clients.  An IMAP client
might ask for "INBOX" and the server may know that this happens to
correspond to a maildir named "/home/owen/Mail/INBOX", but this is an
artifact of the particular server (Courier).  A different IMAP server
might not use a filesystem at all (some IMAP implementations have used
object-oriented databases as the underlying mailstore).

That's just a preface, though.  There are basically two "flavors" of
IMAP -- UW (University of Washington -- home of Mark Crispin, the author
of RFC2060 and pretty much the father of IMAP) and Cyrus (from Carnegie
Mellon University).  Courier happens to be of the latter flavor.

With UW flavor, the separator character between folders and mailboxes is
usually a "/", and mailboxes are often kept at the top level of
hierarchy: you might have mailboxes "INBOX", "sent", and "work" for
example, as well as a folder name "lists" containing mailboxes for
gentoo named "lists/gentoo-user" and "lists/gentoo-doc".  

With Cyrus flavor, the separator character is usually a ".", a mailbox
itself can be a folder, and mailboxes are usually kept in a hierarchy
*below* INBOX.  In Cyrus (or Courier) the same mailboxes would be
referred to as "INBOX", "INBOX.sent", "INBOX.work",
"INBOX.lists.gentoo-user", and "INBOX.lists.gentoo-doc".

Courier-IMAP, in particular, uses an extension to Dan Bernstein's
"maildir" (sometimes referred to as "maildir+") that stores all
subfolders as maildirs contained in one another (and always beginning
with a ".".  Thus when you create a new mailbox named "INBOX.foo" with
your IMAP client, the Courier-IMAP server will actually create a maildir
named "/home/owen/.maildir/.foo".

So to make a long story short, what you are trying to accomplish is
going against the grain.  I don't think you can get Courier-IMAP to use

~/Mail/INBOX/
~/Mail/folder1/
~/Mail/folder2/

It will try to create

~/Mail/INBOX/
~/Mail/INBOX/.folder1/
~/Mail/INBOX/.folder2/

instead (assuming the default maildir is "~Mail/INBOX").

> P.S. I've been testing with IMAP clients squirrelmail and Mozilla mail.

Pine has arguably the "best" IMAP client implementation (it was written
by Mark Crispin and the UW folks using the "imap-client" library).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Owen Gunden]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 08:15:18PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fortunately I now maintain my own mail server and explicitly switched to
> courier-imap because it (only) groks maildirs.  I access the maildirs
> directly from mutt sessions rather than using IMAP.  Mutt still scans
> all umpteen bazillion messages in the maildir, but with reiserfs this is
> still reasonably quick.  (Reiserfs rocks with big directories full of
> small files.)

I'm using mutt with maildirs, but I can't get courier-imap to understand my
folders because they're not named INBOX.whatever (and I don't want them to
be!).  I would like them to be layed out as

~/Mail/INBOX/
~/Mail/folder1/
~/Mail/folder2/
...

Did you get anything like this working?  I can't seem to convince courier
to do this..

Owen
P.S. I've been testing with IMAP clients squirrelmail and Mozilla mail.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Bootable after stage 3

[Norberto BENSA]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ date ; echo ${kent sin}
Monday 23 June 2003 11:40 pm

> Dear gentoo users,
>

LOL!!



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[gentoo-user] /usr/share/dict/words missing?

[Owen Gunden]

Hi all,

I'm getting errors when trying to emerge ispell and bsd-games, and both of
them seem to be failing because /usr/share/dict/words is missing.  I tried:

qpkg -f /usr/share/dict/words

but that didn't come up with anything at all.  

Does anyone know what package this file comes from?  Might it be a bug that
ispell and bsd-games don't depend on this package?

Cheers,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Jens Mayer]

* On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 20:38:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> SpamAssasin is the only non-Bayesian spam filter to consider).

Recent versions of SpamAssassin in fact do have Bayesian filters
implemented which can be easily (auto)trained. I'm using such a
setup with SpamAssassin 2.55 at the moment and it works very
well for me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[rex]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:26:34PM -0500, Richard Kilgore wrote:

>  Also, though, there is that new SPAM killer POP-3 client
> that learns from you what is SPAM and what is not.  I forget what
> it's called.

I currently use bogofilter -- it does a pretty good job of eliminating spam.
SpamBayes also looks good (I may try to make an ebuild for it --
bogofilter is already in portage).  Any "Bayesian" filter helps
tremendously in the war (SpamAssasin is the only non-Bayesian spam
filter to consider).

I've always liked having a real SMTP server available -vs- fetchmail or
whatever the Python thingy (popmail?) is called.

I've been using qmail for years -- whatever you think of the his
personality, djb can write some rock-solid code.

I train bogofilter on whatever is in ~/.maildir (ham) and whatever is in
~/.maildir/.SPAM/ (spam).  My .qmail simply reads

|condredirect rex-spam /usr/bin/bogofilter
|maildrop

("rex-spam" is an alias that forward to my spambucket)

> 
> Oh wait, are you referring to leaving mail on the server?  

Err ... yes, I guess.  That's as good a definition for IMAP as any. :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Richard Kilgore]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 08:15:18PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:12:26PM -0400, A. Craig West wrote:
> 
> > The recommended method replying is actually not strict bottom-posting. It is
> > EDITED bottom posting, where you only keep enough of the previous message to
> > keep the context obvious. 
> 
> One of the nicer features of mutt is its ability to toggle the display
> of quoted material (or simply skip past it).  By default these actions
> are bound to the "T" and "S" keys in the pager screen.  

Cool!  Didn't know about these!

[snip]

> Mail is all about processing text quickly.   I really hate taking my
> hands off the keyboard when processing text (which is why I rarely use
> GUI mail clients -- and refuse to use any that don't let me use vim
> while composing).

Here here!!!  Anyone that does not understand the gravity of
these statements, would do well to force themselves to use vim
for a month, and then see how they feel.

> Sadly, the IMAP support in mutt is somewhat lacking.  It'll ask for
> header info for all umpteen bazillion messages in a folder before it
> presents the summary of the last 20 or so messages actually required to
> display the folder summary.  IMAP is the ONLY thing that pine does
> better than mutt, IMHO.

fetchmail, cron, and procmail all the way.  These tools combined
do a FAR better job than any kitchen sink mail client could hope
to.  Also, though, there is that new SPAM killer POP-3 client
that learns from you what is SPAM and what is not.  I forget what
it's called.  Could probably substitute it in for fetchmail, but
I haven't tried it out yet.

Oh wait, are you referring to leaving mail on the server?  You
can of course use fetchmail and have it only fetch _new_ mail
each time.  And then if you occasionally want to tell fetchmail
to delete messages that are already read on the server, you can
give it the -F option.

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[gentoo-user] tkined missing from scotty

[Mike Diehl]

Hi all.

I had emerged scotty and was able to use tkined to do some network diagraming.  
Then I go and do a emerge -e world and now tkined is missing.

I re-emerged scotty separately and still no joy.

/usr/bin/tkined is a symbolic link to tkined1.4.11, which doesn't exist.

Any ideas what I've done wrong?

Thanx,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[rw]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:12:26PM -0400, A. Craig West wrote:

> The recommended method replying is actually not strict bottom-posting. It is
> EDITED bottom posting, where you only keep enough of the previous message to
> keep the context obvious. 

One of the nicer features of mutt is its ability to toggle the display
of quoted material (or simply skip past it).  By default these actions
are bound to the "T" and "S" keys in the pager screen.  

I'm constantly annoyed by mail from people that apparently can't find
the delete key on their keyboard and quote all fifteen pages of text in
a post they are replying to, with their three lines of actual content 
buried somewhere within (invariably with no surrounding whitespace
whatsoever -- they can't seem to find the return key either).

In mutt I just have to bounce on the "T" key to find the three lines of
(usually anti-climatic) text they actually composed.

Mutt also has the best threading of any mail tool I've ever used.  (For
that matter, it's the all around best mail tool I've ever used.)  

Mail is all about processing text quickly.   I really hate taking my
hands off the keyboard when processing text (which is why I rarely use
GUI mail clients -- and refuse to use any that don't let me use vim
while composing).

Sadly, the IMAP support in mutt is somewhat lacking.  It'll ask for
header info for all umpteen bazillion messages in a folder before it
presents the summary of the last 20 or so messages actually required to
display the folder summary.  IMAP is the ONLY thing that pine does
better than mutt, IMHO.

Fortunately I now maintain my own mail server and explicitly switched to
courier-imap because it (only) groks maildirs.  I access the maildirs
directly from mutt sessions rather than using IMAP.  Mutt still scans
all umpteen bazillion messages in the maildir, but with reiserfs this is
still reasonably quick.  (Reiserfs rocks with big directories full of
small files.)

Even with multiple open mutt sessions and IMAP client sessions
(sylpheed-claws, squirrelmail, pine whatever) reading my mail
simultaneously machines from all over the internet, things don't get
confused.  [As long as I'm somewhere with an ssh client, I just ssh over
to my server and run mutt locally -- otherwise I'll just use a browser
or whatever IMAP client might be handy at the remote site.]

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Re: [gentoo-user] refresh rate in the console

[Richard Kilgore]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 01:04:21AM +0100, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> Jesper Blauendahl wrote:
> Okay.  First things first: adding a resolution like
> vesa:1280x1024 and adding a frequency like vesa:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> has _no_effect_ whatsoever.  Resolution and colour depth are
> determined solely by the vga= value and hertz is by default
> 60Hz which cannot be changed.

This is not true.  There is a vesa framebuffer device that is
completely separate from the text mode you get by default.

> Secondly, if you are using nvidia kernel support then vesa:
> should be riva: I think.  However, it is best to disable
> graphics card specific support in kernel and use vesa since
> nvidia riva support can cause problems.

But...as many of us have learned the hard way, the riva
framebuffer device tends to conflict with the closed-source,
accelerated NVidia XFree drivers.  Some get away with it, and
some don't.  If your computer locks in X, or trying to start it
up or even close it down, try using something else besides the
riva framebuffer device.

- richard

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[gentoo-user] Bootable after stage 3

[kent sin]

Dear gentoo users,

Is it possible to install from the live cd a stage3
tar ball then config the sytem to reboot? Without the
emerges?

I am asking because I got only one pcmcia slot which
can only attach a cd or a ethernet. The normal
installation require both the bootable cd and the
ethernet to work. Also, I have trouble getting the
emerge work, after chroot, python fail with error that
libpthread is missing.

Rgs,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Marshal Newrock]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Peter McCracken wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 21:09, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> >
> > Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting.
> > While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted
> > mails, I am trying to change that, is there any guidelines available for
> > this? Sometimes I feel that if my message is starting on the second page
> > of the mail, no-one is going to read it.
>
> And perhaps someone could answer why bottom-posting is better, anyway?
> I'll obey it, if that's etiquette.  But I would have thought top posts
> were easier to read.

I've seen it summed up as follows:

A: top posting
Q: What is one of the most annoying things in newsgroups and email
discussion groups?

Top posting eliminates the context of the answer.  That said, I will top
post when giving a short reply to a long email that can't be trimmed down
without losing too much information.  No one likes having to scroll down
through three pages of quoted material to find one new line, which can be
quite easy to miss if your client doesn't colorize or otherwise format the
quoted lines (italics, etc).

Which is another point, include only the relevant parts of the email.
Definately do not include signatures or anything you're not replying to.
This makes the email more readable, and helps those who pay by the byte.
Deletion of content can be indicated with a line that says "[snip]".
Example:
> yesterday I started doing task A.
[snip]
> I get error F00 every time I try option B.  What's wrong?

The discussion of top vs bottom posting also usually doesn't mention
interspersed, which is frequently the most appropriate.  If you ask 10
questions, I will usually answer each one in turn, rather than all at the
top or bottom of the email (deleting those I can't answer).  If you do
this, the last line of the email should still be yours.  Don't continue to
quote stuff after you're done replying.  That's just noise, and readers
will wonder if they've missed something.

One other thing, when replying, keep the reply indicator simple, such as a
good ole '>'.  A five character reply indicator is quite excessive.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Peter McCracken wrote:
And perhaps someone could answer why bottom-posting is better, anyway? 
I'll obey it, if that's etiquette.  But I would have thought top posts
were easier to read.
It is not the message itself that is important but the context in which 
it is being written.  Providing a relevant portion of the original 
message followed by the reply offers a context to the message in a 
'question and answer' layout and saves the reader from reading the 
remainder of the thread to pick up the gist of the conversation.  It is 
more intuitive to the mental model.

Top posted content can be disorientating and difficult to understand as 
the author rarely takes the time to include the relevant portions of the 
original message.  So essentially bottom posting ensures that the author 
formulates the message in good form to save the reader some valuable time.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[A. Craig West]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Peter McCracken wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 21:09, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> > Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting. 
> > While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted 
> > mails, I am trying to change that, is there any guidelines available for 
> > this? Sometimes I feel that if my message is starting on the second page 
> > of the mail, no-one is going to read it.

Spundun,
If your message is starting on the second page, you probably need to trim the
post you are replying to a little more thoroughly...

> And perhaps someone could answer why bottom-posting is better, anyway? 
> I'll obey it, if that's etiquette.  But I would have thought top posts
> were easier to read.

Peter,
The recommended method replying is actually not strict bottom-posting. It is
EDITED bottom posting, where you only keep enough of the previous message to
keep the context obvious. I this particular case, I replied to two separate
parts of the previous message. This keeps the context clear, and cuts down on
bandwidth usage.
The biggest problem with top-posting is that it tends to encourage the
inclusion of the entire previous thread in each message. This is particularly
bad if the message was from a message digest... The theory is that if your
message makes sense without reading the included bits of the previous message,
then you probably didn't need to include them at all.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Spundun Bhatt wrote:
Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting. 
While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted 
mails, I am trying to change that, is there any guidelines available for 
this? Sometimes I feel that if my message is starting on the second page 
of the mail, no-one is going to read it.
Here are guidelines that I follow and would encourage others to do so 
too.  This is for general purpose reference and discussion and is not 
directed towards anyone in particular.

General email guidelines:

-- Use plain text instead of HTML.
-- Wrap email at 72 characters as a lower limit.
-- Do not ask for read receipts or delivery receipts unless necessary.
-- Forward emails as attachment and not as inline text.
-- Enable threading in your email client.
-- Use sigdashes (--) before your signature.
-- Keep signatures concise so that it does not detract from message content.
-- Separate code listings out with a distinct start and end delimiter 
(e.g. )
-- When composing a new message with new subject create a new email 
rather than replying to an older message.
-- When replying, create a reply from the email message that you wish to 
reply to and not just any message on the thread.
-- When replying to existing messages include only the relevant portions 
of original email.
-- Compose reply below quoted text rather than above.  For each section 
of original message add reply below it.
-- Any lengthy information (e.g. compilation failure log) should be 
attached to email rather than stated in the body of the email.
-- When referring to a web resource provide web link rather than the 
resource itself.
-- When providing lengthy web links put on a new line to prevent mixing 
with remainder of text.

That would encapsulate good practice in general although preferences 
will vary.

With regards
Dhruba Bandopadhyay
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Re: [gentoo-user] Massive number of updates

[Marius Mauch]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:59:24 -0400 Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

> I had not thought of the cvs log.  I'll start checking it.  At this
> point I had planned to wait  - things don't look like they are settled
> down yet.

Not all accidently unmasked packages will be reverted, only those which
are known to cause trouble. Packages that seem stable will stay unmasked
(at least that was the policy rac and drobbins agreed on).

I'll also wait a few days before doing any upgrades, just to be on the
safe side. It's not that the upgrades will run away :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote X session

[Chris Bare]

> 
> Thanks for all answers. I found where the problem was.
> I did as follows:
> X :1 &
>DISPLAY=":1" xhost +B
> This does not keep the authorization for B!
> Doing X :1 &
>xterm -display :1
> and then typing xhost +B on the xterm works fine.
> 

I can explain that one. Whenever the last client disconnects from the X
server, it automatically resets to it's startup state. In the case
without the xterm, xhost is both the first and last client, so it sets
the permission, but as soon as it exits, the server resets it. By
running the xterm, it acts as the anchor for your session and the
permission setting stays in effect.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote X session

[Paulo da Silva]

Thanks for all answers. I found where the problem was.
I did as follows:
   X :1 &
  DISPLAY=":1" xhost +B
This does not keep the authorization for B!
Doing X :1 &
  xterm -display :1
and then typing xhost +B on the xterm works fine.
I don't understand why, however.

Paulo da Silva escreveu:

I have 2 pcs running linux gentoo.

1. Computador A: X :1.0 &
DISPLAY=":1.0" xhost +B
2. Computer B
   DISPLAY="A:1.0" xterm
I get the folowing messages:

xterm: unable to open display "A:1.0"
Xlib: connection to "A:1.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified
How can I do this?
TIA
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Re: [gentoo-user] IRQ routing conflict ?

[jenora]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:05:29PM +0200, Jesper Blauendahl wrote:
> 
> >I have the A7V8X motherboard (with all the extras).  Are you using the
> >extended 'APIC' interrupt controller?  (I'd guess not from the messages
> >I'm seeing, or more accurately not seeing, in the cut section you gave.)
> >The Via controller on the A7V8X supports APIC, so you may want to turn on
> >'Local APIC support on uniprocessors' and 'IO-APIC support on 
> >uniprocessors'
> >in the kernel configuration.  This effectively gives you several more
> >interrupts that you can use, and could allow you to avoid this problem.
> > 
> >
> I have actually both. Do I need to do any setup to use it? The output of 
> dmesg is below.

   Hmm.  I don't think you need any setup; at least, not in the kernel.
The BIOS should be set to 'Interrupt Mode: APIC' in the Boto Menu.  I'm
getting a lot more references to the APIC in the dmesg output than you
are.  That may be because I also have ACPI turned on, as the ACPI code
seems to do the first detection of the APIC.

   What is in your /proc/interrupts file?  That will specify whether
or not the APIC is being used.  In my case:
   CPU0   
  0:   41525051IO-APIC-edge  timer
  1: 127023IO-APIC-edge  keyboard
  2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
  4:  31554IO-APIC-edge  serial
  8:  2IO-APIC-edge  rtc
  9:  0   IO-APIC-level  acpi
 14: 583435IO-APIC-edge  ide0
 15:  35095IO-APIC-edge  ide1
 16:   24908102   IO-APIC-level  sym53c8xx, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:0:0
 17: 300038   IO-APIC-level  tmscsim
 18:4228926   IO-APIC-level  eth0
 21:  73925   IO-APIC-level  ehci-hcd, usb-uhci, usb-uhci, usb-uhci
 22: 516465   IO-APIC-level  VIA8233
NMI:  0 
LOC:   41527513 
ERR:  0
MIS:  0


> >It may be more complicated if you dual-boot a lot; I'm unfortunately no
> >expert in how much of this information is kept in the BIOS.
> >
> If you mean several operating systems by dual-boot, I do use dual-boot. 
> I have Window XP on the first primary partition and Gentoo on some 
> logical partitions. But how can this cause these effects?

   As I said, I'm not an expert.  (Anybody who is, please feel free to
correct any misunderstandings I have.)  The BIOS has what is called the ESCD,
Extended System Configuration Data, which keeps track of a lot of the
current hardware setup.  This is what the BIOS uses to assign interrupts
during the early stages of bootup before it starts reading the boot loader
from the disk.  Any changes in the hardware will get recorded by the BIOS
into a specific area of memory.

   Both Linux and Windows can read this data from the BIOS via either the
older Plug-and-Play specification or the newer ACPI specification.  The
two can also ignore the BIOS data and set their own values.  If Windows
keeps setting things up the way it likes it, there may be some confusion
whenever you switch back and forth.  The BIOS should have 'Plug and Play
OS' set in the boot menu to make sure that the OS can reassign any
settings if it wants to.

   In any case, doing 'Reset Configuration Data' from the BIOS Boot Menu
may fix things by clearing out any previously bad ESCD data.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Peter McCracken]

On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 21:09, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote
> 
> > Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information 
> > overload.  However, what good threaded email clients are there?  So 
> > far I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and 
> > fast threaded email client I have found with good IMAP support.  What 
> > do you use? 
> 
> Evolution.
> 
> I think one other thing to note is that mostly threading is turned off 
> by default, so probably many users violating the threading are just 
> unaware of the capability of their mail client and hence unaware that 
> they are breaking other people's mail-reading-experince.
> 
> Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting. 
> While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted 
> mails, I am trying to change that, is there any guidelines available for 
> this? Sometimes I feel that if my message is starting on the second page 
> of the mail, no-one is going to read it.
> 
> Spundun
> 
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And perhaps someone could answer why bottom-posting is better, anyway? 
I'll obey it, if that's etiquette.  But I would have thought top posts
were easier to read.

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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Gëzim]

--- "Zachary P. Landau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't know what's happening but my computer
> clock
> > keeps falling back, I went to the BIOS and changed
> it
> > but after a day or so if fall back by like 10
> mins.
> > and keeps doing that. What could be causing this?
> > Note: it's the windows clock too.
> 
> Do you have any power management stuff compiled into
> the kernel? I had a
> problem with ACPI stuff making my clock fall behind
> as quickly as that.
> If you have it on you might want to try taking it
> out and seeing if that
> helps.

Lol. Yes, this time when I compiled the kernel I think
without needing to do so I thougth I'd try some power
managment stuff, but I have no clue where it's located
and stuff, if you could help that would be nice a
whole bunch ;)


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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Zachary P. Landau]

> I don't know what's happening but my computer clock
> keeps falling back, I went to the BIOS and changed it
> but after a day or so if fall back by like 10 mins.
> and keeps doing that. What could be causing this?
> Note: it's the windows clock too.

Do you have any power management stuff compiled into the kernel? I had a
problem with ACPI stuff making my clock fall behind as quickly as that.
If you have it on you might want to try taking it out and seeing if that
helps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Spundun Bhatt]

Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote

Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information 
overload.  However, what good threaded email clients are there?  So 
far I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and 
fast threaded email client I have found with good IMAP support.  What 
do you use? 
Evolution.

I think one other thing to note is that mostly threading is turned off 
by default, so probably many users violating the threading are just 
unaware of the capability of their mail client and hence unaware that 
they are breaking other people's mail-reading-experince.

Another thing mentioned last time in a similar thread was top-posting. 
While I have harrassed the online community a lot with my top posted 
mails, I am trying to change that, is there any guidelines available for 
this? Sometimes I feel that if my message is starting on the second page 
of the mail, no-one is going to read it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Florian Huber]

Hello Dhruba,

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:48:52 +0100
Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and fast
> threaded email client I have found with good IMAP support.  What do
> you use?
...

I'm using sylpheed-claws (imap4 supported) as graphical MUA in X and
mutt in the console/shell.

If you what to use mutt you have to fetch your mail via fetchmail or
getmail, which at least fetchmail should have imap support.

HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] Massive number of updates

[Brett I. Holcomb]

I had not thought of the cvs log.  I'll start checking it.  At this point I 
had planned to wait  - things don't look like they are settled down yet.


> Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
> > I sync'd and updated Saturday.   Then on Sunday and today emerge -u
> > --deep system -p gives me a large list of updates (including debiantools
> > and baselayout) it wants to perform - including updating Nvidia drivers. 
> > Most of the changes are the same version but just incrementing the n in
> > -rn (say from r1 to r2).
> >
> > With the recent problems with portage where a bunch of stuff was moved
> > from ~x86 to x86 when it shouldn't have been I hesitate to turn emerge
> > loose and let it update.  Is portage back to where I can safely let it go
> > and do the updates?
>
> I would keep a close eye on the daily cvs changelog every day to track
> changes.  The rest only the devs would know about.  However, to be on
> the safe side you may wish to wait a few days until you find answers.
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/index-cvs.xml

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Re: [gentoo-user] Massive number of updates

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
I sync'd and updated Saturday.   Then on Sunday and today emerge -u --deep 
system -p gives me a large list of updates (including debiantools and 
baselayout) it wants to perform - including updating Nvidia drivers.  Most of 
the changes are the same version but just incrementing the n in -rn (say from 
r1 to r2).

With the recent problems with portage where a bunch of stuff was moved from 
~x86 to x86 when it shouldn't have been I hesitate to turn emerge loose and 
let it update.  Is portage back to where I can safely let it go and do the 
updates?

I would keep a close eye on the daily cvs changelog every day to track 
changes.  The rest only the devs would know about.  However, to be on 
the safe side you may wish to wait a few days until you find answers.

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[gentoo-user] Threaded email client for gentoo-user?

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Hello

There has been much talk of using threaded email clients to read the 
high traffic gentoo mailing lists and also much agitation as a result of 
users breaking the threading by replying to existing messages to create 
new messages.

Threading the messages is a good idea since it alleviates information 
overload.  However, what good threaded email clients are there?  So far 
I am using mozilla mail 1.4_rc2 which is the only competent and fast 
threaded email client I have found with good IMAP support.  What do you use?

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world -up not showing some updated packages

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

oom wrote:
Greetings gentooers!

This may have been discussed earlier but don't have time right now to
check, while reading GWN I noticed some of the new security vulns, CUPS
caught my eye as I was playing with it the other day..
so I did:
emerge sync
emerge world -u

I thought it would have updated cups too but..
 # emerge cups -p
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuildU ] net-print/cups-1.1.18-r5 [1.1.18-r4]
Is there a problem or have I mis-understood what portage does?
(1) regenworld  (regenerates world file)
(2) emerge sync
(3) emerge -Du world  (updates all packages)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Frank Hellmuth wrote:
Hi!

I noticed today that I have linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r3, -r4 and -r5 sources
on my hard disk, working and backup kernel are both r5.
Every time a kernel source package is emerged portage makes a record of 
all files and dirs placed on your system.  When upgrading the kernel 
sources old ones are not removed for precautionary purposes.

Now, when unmerging a kernel source package the source directory is also 
not removed.  The reason is that kernel compilation creates many files 
in addition to the initial list that portage keeps track of and so once 
portage has removed those files which it initially placed on your system 
the remainder of files and directories are left behind in case they are 
of any use to you.

#emerge clean

tells me there are no outdated packages on my system. I understand
that the kernel sources are an important part of the system, but since
I slowly run out of disk space I'ld like to get rid of r3 and r4.
Is it safe to do a
#emerge -C linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r3 linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r4
The proper way to deal with the removal of outdated versions of packages 
is as below.

$ emerge --prune gentoo-sources -p

>>> These are the packages that I would unmerge:

 sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
selected: none
   protected: 2.4.20-r5
 omitted: none
>>> prune: No packages selected for removal.

If you have lots of outdated gentoo sources versions then this will 
remove them for you in one step.

Please also investigate emerge -p --depclean by typing emerge --help.

or are the old versions (or at least the headers) still needed?
No.  You only need your .config file for migration to newer kernels.

If it's OK to clean them, why doesn't portage do it by itself when updating?
Portage does not take the initiative of migrating to newer versions of 
kernel for you.  Many users prefer not to upgrade kernels since they are 
particularly delicate and time consuming to upgrade.  As a result, the 
fact that portage does not remove the old one preserves your old 
settings and your old sources in case you wish to continue using them.

I hope that makes things clearer for you.

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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Gëzim]

Hmm, nope! I guess that wastes too, eh?! lol

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> have you tryed changing the battery?
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Marcelo Azambuja
> 
> On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 20:24, Gëzim Hoxha wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I don't know what's happening but my computer
> clock
> > keeps falling back, I went to the BIOS and changed
> it
> > but after a day or so if fall back by like 10
> mins.
> > and keeps doing that. What could be causing this?
> > Note: it's the windows clock too.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > ZiM
> > 
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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Gëzim]

--- blade- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gëzim Hoxha wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I don't know what's happening but my computer clock
> >keeps falling back, I went to the BIOS and changed
> it
> >but after a day or so if fall back by like 10 mins.
> >and keeps doing that. What could be causing this?
> >Note: it's the windows clock too.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >ZiM
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> Do you turn your computer off overnight or when
> ever? I think this is 
> caused by your mobo's battery.

Yes I turn it off quite often. But I did this always
and it never changed before.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Unresolved symbol when starting X

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Jesper Blauendahl wrote:
 > Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module 
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
If there is a line in /etc/X11/XF86Config which says 'Load dri' then 
remove it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Where did my ping go?

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Zachary P. Landau wrote:
My second question is, is there a good resource to find out what package
a specific program is in, if you don't already have it installed?  It
If it is not installed then no.  If it is installed then 'emerge 
gentoolkit' and try the excellent 'etcat' utility.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] dhruba $ etcat -b `which ping`
Searching for /bin/ping in * ...
sys-apps/netkit-base-0.17-r7
net-misc/iputils-020927

Dhruba.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emerged out of existence

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
python2.2: /lib/libpthread.so.0: version 'GLIBC_2.3.2' not found (required
by python2.2)
It may be informative to read the thread labelled 'drobbins mass mark 
stable' on gentoo-dev.

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-dev&w=2&r=1&s=drobbins+mass+mark+stable&q=b

Certain packages were unintentionally marked stable and have as a result 
broken things for people.  You might want to go on 
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Re: [gentoo-user] refresh rate in the console

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Jesper Blauendahl wrote:
MAL wrote:

The vesa framebuffer driver doesn't support setting refresh rates IIRC.

Again, IIRC, some of the card specific drivers do.

MAL 


I have a Diamond Viper 770 RIVA TNT2 Ultra graphics card. I've tried 
compiling with

   Console drivers --> Frame-buffer support --> nVidia Riva support [*]

instead of the VESA driver, but I can't get it to work. The kernel 
compiles nicely but when I boot the resolution is 640x400 and I only get 
the TUX logo instead of the nice bootsplash :-(.

Does the grub.conf need any thing special when I use the nVidia driver 
(I used the same as previously posted)?

I've also tried appending @85 to 1280x1024 but it doesn't seem to make a 
difference. (only tried this with the VESA driver)
Okay.  First things first: adding a resolution like vesa:1280x1024 and 
adding a frequency like vesa:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has _no_effect_ whatsoever. 
Resolution and colour depth are determined solely by the vga= value and 
hertz is by default 60Hz which cannot be changed.

Secondly, if you are using nvidia kernel support then vesa: should be 
riva: I think.  However, it is best to disable graphics card specific 
support in kernel and use vesa since nvidia riva support can cause problems.

To answer your question it is not yet possible to run framebuffer at 
more than 60Hz.

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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Marcelo Goncalves de Azambuja]

have you tryed changing the battery?

cheers,

Marcelo Azambuja

On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 20:24, Gëzim Hoxha wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't know what's happening but my computer clock
> keeps falling back, I went to the BIOS and changed it
> but after a day or so if fall back by like 10 mins.
> and keeps doing that. What could be causing this?
> Note: it's the windows clock too.
> 
> Thanks,
> ZiM
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] hardware clock

[blade-]

Gëzim Hoxha wrote:

Hi,

I don't know what's happening but my computer clock
keeps falling back, I went to the BIOS and changed it
but after a day or so if fall back by like 10 mins.
and keeps doing that. What could be causing this?
Note: it's the windows clock too.
Thanks,
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[gentoo-user] hardware clock

[Gëzim]

Hi,

I don't know what's happening but my computer clock
keeps falling back, I went to the BIOS and changed it
but after a day or so if fall back by like 10 mins.
and keeps doing that. What could be causing this?
Note: it's the windows clock too.

Thanks,
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[gentoo-user] Emerged out of existence

[Condon Thomas A KPWA]

Folks,

Help.  I emerged sys-apps/acpid-1.0.2-r1 last Thursday and went home before
it was done.  I wasn't in on Friday (or the weekend) but I checked and it
"completed emerge (9 of 9)" and "exiting successfully".  This morning I
wanted to try the 'fixes' for the xfree emerge.  But when I typed:

> emerge xfree

I got the following:

python2.2: /lib/libpthread.so.0: version 'GLIBC_2.3.2' not found (required
by python2.2)

As a matter of fact, I get that when I try any of the commands in
/usr/lib/portage/bin.

So, what/how did I screw this up?  How do I prevent it in the future?

I assume the 'fix' is to boot off of CD, mount as usual, chroot to gentoo,
and emerge GLIBC_2.3.2 (or whichever package responds to that name with a -s
flag), then reboot.


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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[gentoo-user] Massive number of updates

[Brett I. Holcomb]

I sync'd and updated Saturday.   Then on Sunday and today emerge -u --deep 
system -p gives me a large list of updates (including debiantools and 
baselayout) it wants to perform - including updating Nvidia drivers.  Most of 
the changes are the same version but just incrementing the n in -rn (say from 
r1 to r2).

With the recent problems with portage where a bunch of stuff was moved from 
~x86 to x86 when it shouldn't have been I hesitate to turn emerge loose and 
let it update.  Is portage back to where I can safely let it go and do the 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?

[Frank Hellmuth]

On Tuesday 24 June 2003 01:06, Heschi Kreinick wrote:
> It's out of the portage tree, but for many reasons, which you can probably
> guess a few of, it's a good idea to keep around information about the
> package, and your system, as they were when you installed it. If you look
> in /var/db/pkg, you'll see that every package you saves a whole bunch of
> information--including the ebuild.
> -Heschi

Thanks again. Didn't know that!

Frank


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Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?

[Heschi Kreinick]

It's out of the portage tree, but for many reasons, which you can probably
guess a few of, it's a good idea to keep around information about the
package, and your system, as they were when you installed it. If you look in
/var/db/pkg, you'll see that every package you saves a whole bunch of
information--including the ebuild.
-Heschi
> ChangeLog  gentoo-sources-2.4.19-r10.ebuild  Manifest
> files  gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r5.ebuild
>
> So I thought it's missing ebuild.
>
> Frank
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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Zack Gilburd]

On Monday 23 June 2003 13:01, Zack Gilburd wrote:
> On Monday 23 June 2003 12:17, Ian Delahorne wrote:
> > Zack Gilburd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Replying to myselfwoohoo... I found my `lspci -v` output rather
> > > interesting.
> >
> > Is that a "yes", "no", "uh, maybe, if you wave a dead chicken at it?"
> >
> > Will SATA work?
>
> It's hard to tell.  So, I'll take option C.  You're likely not going to get
> "hardware" RAID, but software should be a problem.  Not to mention, SiI3112
> support, as I write this, is VERY sketchy.

Oops, I meant *shouldn't* be a problem...teeheheheheh

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RE: [gentoo-user] Where did my ping go?

[Anthony Floyd]

# which ping
/bin/ping
# qpkg -f /bin/ping
sys-apps/netkit-base *
# emerge -s netkit-base
Searching...
[ Results for search key : netkit-base ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  sys-apps/netkit-base
  Latest version available: 0.17-r6
  Latest version installed: 0.17-r6
  Size of downloaded files: 55 kB
  Homepage:ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Networking/netkit/
  Description: Standard linux net thingees -- inetd, ping

So, the description says it all.  Mind you, someone else has noted that
it has lately moved to iputils (I haven't rsync'd in a few days).  So,
searching the package descriptions:

# emerge -S ping

[some time passes...]

And in the many packages that follow are:

*  net-analyzer/netselect-0.3
  Latest version available: 0.3
  Latest version installed: 0.3
  Size of downloaded files:  [no/bad digest]
  Homepage:http://www.worldvisions.ca/~apenwarr/netselect/
  Description: Ultrafast implementation of ping.

*  net-misc/iputils-020927
  Latest version available: 020927
  Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
  Size of downloaded files:  [no/bad digest]
  Homepage:ftp://ftp.inr.ac.ru/ip-routing
  Description: Network monitoring tools including ping and ping6

*  sys-apps/netkit-base-0.17-r6
  Latest version available: 0.17-r6
  Latest version installed: 0.17-r6
  Size of downloaded files:  [no/bad digest]
  Homepage:ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Networking/netkit/
  Description: Standard linux net thingees -- inetd, ping

So, emerge -S is your friend.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Where did my ping go?

[Zachary P. Landau]

> > My first question is, what package is ping in with gentoo?  I know
> > normally it is with netkit, but gentoo split up netkit into a bunch of
> > packages, and none of them seem to have ping in it.  Somehow within
> > the past day or so, ping disappeared.  I'm guessing I somehow unmerged
> > whatever package it was in, although that sounds unlikely to me.
> 
> It moved from netkit-base to iputils.

There we go.  It wasn't installed.  Thanks a lot :P

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Re: [gentoo-user] Where did my ping go?

[Marius Mauch]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:56:53 -0400 Zachary P. Landau wrote:

> 
> My first question is, what package is ping in with gentoo?  I know
> normally it is with netkit, but gentoo split up netkit into a bunch of
> packages, and none of them seem to have ping in it.  Somehow within
> the past day or so, ping disappeared.  I'm guessing I somehow unmerged
> whatever package it was in, although that sounds unlikely to me.

It moved from netkit-base to iputils.

> My second question is, is there a good resource to find out what
> package a specific program is in, if you don't already have it
> installed?  It would help in my situation, but there have been other
> times.  Some are pretty obvious, but a lot of the little unix
> utilities don't come in a package on their own, they are part of
> something much bigger.

AFAIK it's not possible if the package is not installed.

Marius

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Re: [gentoo-user] Why is package (fluxbox) still masked after settingACCEPT_KEYWORDS?

[Andrew J]

Jens Hoffrichter wrote:

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:44:37AM +0200, keanu wrote:

 

I'm trying to emerge an actual ebuild of fluxbox (>=0.9.0, I have installed
0.1.13), but even after setting ACCEPT_KEYWORDS portage simply wants to
re-emerge 0.1.13.
What other possibilities do I have to see why a package is masked?

CU all,
Jens
 

jessica root # grep -1 fluxbox /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask
# <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (22 Apr 2003)
# new fluxbox dev series. no guarentees.
   

=x11-wm/fluxbox-0.9.0
 

Is there any other possibility of unmask the package than to comment out
the line in package.mask?
CU all,
Jens
 

emerge /usr/portage/x11-wm/fluxbox/fluxbox-0.9.0.ebuild

Specifying the ebuild like that should work fine.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Computer Reboots Instantly

[Mark Knecht]

I don't know whether others have mentioned this, but my number one reasons
for spontaneous reboots are:

1) Bad memory
2) An underpowered or bad (noisy) power supply.

Just tossing in the ideas in case you don't find another solution.

- Mark

> -Original Message-
> From: Zachary P. Landau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Computer Reboots Instantly
>
>
>
> I'll give it a try, but I don't think it is that.  I copied the gentoo
> installation cd's kernel over the one I had, and then used my same grub
> setup to boot the computer (ie: I didn't boot from the CD) and it worked
> fine.
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[gentoo-user] Where did my ping go?

[Zachary P. Landau]

My first question is, what package is ping in with gentoo?  I know
normally it is with netkit, but gentoo split up netkit into a bunch of
packages, and none of them seem to have ping in it.  Somehow within the
past day or so, ping disappeared.  I'm guessing I somehow unmerged
whatever package it was in, although that sounds unlikely to me.

My second question is, is there a good resource to find out what package
a specific program is in, if you don't already have it installed?  It
would help in my situation, but there have been other times.  Some are
pretty obvious, but a lot of the little unix utilities don't come in a
package on their own, they are part of something much bigger.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia fails

[Alan]

Rsync again.   There was a bug that was fixed last night sometime for
this.

alan

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:43:38PM +0200, Denny Schierz wrote:
> hi,
> 
> router / # emerge -u world
> Calculating world dependencies ...done!
> >>> emerge (1 of 23) media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4363-r2 to /
> >>> md5 src_uri ;-) NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363.tar.gz
> >>> Unpacking source...
> >>> Unpacking NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363.tar.gz to
> /var/tmp/portage/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4363-r2/work
>  * Linux kernel 2.4.20
> >>> Source unpacked.
> make: Makefile: No such file or directory
> make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile'.  Stop.
> 
> !!! ERROR: media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4363-r2 failed.
> !!! Function src_compile, Line 109, Exitcode 2
> !!! (no error message)
> 
> any idea?
> 
> Gentoo 1.4
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Computer Reboots Instantly

[Zachary P. Landau]

I'll give it a try, but I don't think it is that.  I copied the gentoo
installation cd's kernel over the one I had, and then used my same grub
setup to boot the computer (ie: I didn't boot from the CD) and it worked
fine. 

> IIRC, sometime ago (may be a long time) someone on this list reported similar 
> problem.
> Try to search through the archives.
> If I'm right, it had something to do with incorrect grub configuration file, 
> but I can be mistaken. "Incorrect" in this case means wrong syntax 
> (unneccessary space or another symbol placed somewhere) - not wrong partition 
> setup.
> 
> Anyway, take a look at your grub.conf and if it's allright, search the 
> archives for your problem.
> 
> HTH,
> Dmitry.
> 
> On Sunday 22 June 2003 23:30, Zachary P. Landau wrote:
> > I know this isn't exactly gentoo-specific, but I think it is closely
> > related enough to be warranted.
> >
> > When I booted up the gentoo install cd on my computer, it booted fine. I
> > installed everything, recompiled a new kernel, and rebooted.  The boot
> > loader loads up, but as soon as it tries to load the kernel, the
> > computer reboots.  Then I tried having grub use the install cd's kernel
> > but with my root filesystem, and that booted just fine.
> >
> > My question is, what type of kernel options could make the computer
> > reboot before anything at all is displayed?  The only think I could
> > think of is the optimization settings (but I think that would just lock
> > it up) so I set those to 386 and it still happened.  I would just try a
> > hit and miss type approach while playing around with options, but it is
> > a slower machine and takes a while to compile the kernel.
> 
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[gentoo-user] Nvidia fails

[Denny Schierz]

hi,

router / # emerge -u world
Calculating world dependencies ...done!
>>> emerge (1 of 23) media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4363-r2 to /
>>> md5 src_uri ;-) NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363.tar.gz
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4363.tar.gz to
/var/tmp/portage/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4363-r2/work
 * Linux kernel 2.4.20
>>> Source unpacked.
make: Makefile: No such file or directory
make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile'.  Stop.

!!! ERROR: media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.4363-r2 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 109, Exitcode 2
!!! (no error message)

any idea?

Gentoo 1.4

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC 3.3

[Jerry McBride]

I just emerged gcc 3.3 on a test box. Went in smoothly and works well so far.
By tomorrow it'll have completed a "emerge -ue world"... I'll know for sure if
it's good move or not then.

Cheers.


On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 03:13:19 +0200 "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 23 June 2003 00:44, Jerry McBride wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:37:43 +0200 "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > ---snip---
> >
> > > I rebuild whole KDE 3.1.2 in less time with gcc 3.3 , than kdelibs-3.1.2
> > > and kdebase-3.1.2 with gcc-3.2.3
> > >
> > > Yes, there are some problems.
> > > To emerge alsa, I have to edit
> > > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/compile.h
> >
> > What editing did you do?
> 
> I had to edit the #define LINUX_COMPILER line so it looks like this:
> #define LINUX_COMPILER "gcc 3.3 (Gentoo Linux 1.4, PVR 3.3)"
> 
> instead of:
> #define LINUX_COMPILER "gcc-version (GCC) 3.3 (Gentoo Linux 1.4, PVR 3.3)" 
> (maybe not 100% correct, is some time ago, I compiled the kernel)
> 
> Glück Auf
> Volker
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Re: [gentoo-user] IRQ routing conflict ?

[Jesper Blauendahl]

I have the A7V8X motherboard (with all the extras).  Are you using the
extended 'APIC' interrupt controller?  (I'd guess not from the messages
I'm seeing, or more accurately not seeing, in the cut section you gave.)
The Via controller on the A7V8X supports APIC, so you may want to turn on
'Local APIC support on uniprocessors' and 'IO-APIC support on uniprocessors'
in the kernel configuration.  This effectively gives you several more
interrupts that you can use, and could allow you to avoid this problem.
 

I have actually both. Do I need to do any setup to use it? The output of 
dmesg is below.

It may be more complicated if you dual-boot a lot; I'm unfortunately no
expert in how much of this information is kept in the BIOS.
If you mean several operating systems by dual-boot, I do use dual-boot. 
I have Window XP on the first primary partition and Gentoo on some 
logical partitions. But how can this cause these effects?

The following is the output of dmesg

> Linux version 2.4.20-gentoo-r5 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.2.2) #15 
Sun Jun 22 16:59:00 CEST 2003
> BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
>  BIOS-e820:  - 0009fc00 (usable)
>  BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved)
>  BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved)
>  BIOS-e820: 0010 - 1fffc000 (usable)
>  BIOS-e820: 1fffc000 - 1000 (ACPI data)
>  BIOS-e820: 1000 - 2000 (ACPI NVS)
>  BIOS-e820: fec0 - fec01000 (reserved)
>  BIOS-e820: fee0 - fee01000 (reserved)
>  BIOS-e820:  - 0001 (reserved)
> 511MB LOWMEM available.
> On node 0 totalpages: 131068
> zone(0): 4096 pages.
> zone(1): 126972 pages.
> zone(2): 0 pages.
> Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda7 video=mtrr,vesa:1280x1024 
vga=0x31a splash=silent hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi
> bootsplash: silent mode.
> ide_setup: hdc=ide-scsi
> ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi
> Found and enabled local APIC!
> Initializing CPU#0
> Detected 1833.323 MHz processor.
> Console: colour dummy device 80x25
> Calibrating delay loop... 3643.80 BogoMIPS
> Memory: 512244k/524272k available (1684k kernel code, 9464k reserved, 
-2032k data, 120k init, 0k highmem)
> Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
> Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
> Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
> Buffer-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
> Page-cache hash table entries: 131072 (order: 7, 524288 bytes)
> CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
> CPU: L2 Cache: 512K (64 bytes/line)
> Intel machine check architecture supported.
> Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
> CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff  
> CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff  
> CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2500+ stepping 00
> Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
> Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
> Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
> POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
> enabled ExtINT on CPU#0
> ESR value before enabling vector: 
> ESR value after enabling vector: 
> Using local APIC timer interrupts.
> calibrating APIC timer ...
> . CPU clock speed is 1833.0815 MHz.
> . host bus clock speed is 333.1512 MHz.
> cpu: 0, clocks: 1666512, slice: 833256
> CPU0
> mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
> PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf1990, last bus=1
> PCI: Using configuration type 1
> PCI: Probing PCI hardware
> PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00)
> PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/3177] at 00:11.0
> Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
> Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
> Initializing RT netlink socket
> apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16)
> Starting kswapd
> devfs: v1.12c (20020818) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> devfs: boot_options: 0x1
> Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
> NTFS driver 2.1.4a [Flags: R/O].
> vesafb: framebuffer at 0xf600, mapped to 0xe080, size 2560k
> vesafb: mode is 1280x1024x16, linelength=2560, pages=5
> vesafb: protected mode interface info at c000:03af
> vesafb: scrolling: redraw
> vesafb: directcolor: size=0:5:6:5, shift=0:11:5:0
> Looking for splash picture silenjpeg size 75071 bytes, does not 
fit into framebuffer.
>  found (1280x1024, 26385 bytes, v3).
> Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 153x54
> fb0: VESA VGA frame buffer device
> pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
> Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ 
SERIAL_PCI enabled
> ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with 
idebus=xx
> VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 89
> PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB pen drives?

[Tom Wesley]

On Monday 23 June 2003 21:58, Richard Revis wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:29:39 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > did you loaded sd_mod.o?
>
> I can't find sd_mod in the kernel? (2.4.19-gentoo sources)

scsi disk support

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[gentoo-user] Re: USB pen drives?

[Richard Revis]

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:29:39 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> did you loaded sd_mod.o?

I can't find sd_mod in the kernel? (2.4.19-gentoo sources)

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Re: [gentoo-user] USB pen drives?

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Monday 23 June 2003 21:10, Richard Revis wrote:
> When I plug in my USB pen drive, it shows up like so:
>
> hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/2, assigned device number 2
> usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x5dc/0x80) is not claimed by any active
> driver. Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
> usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
> scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
>   Vendor: LEXAR Model: DIGITAL FILM  Rev: /W1.
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
> USB Mass Storage device found at 2
> USB Mass Storage support registered.
>
> ...however there is no /dev/sdaX. How do I mount it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] IRQ routing conflict ?

[jenora]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 08:51:57PM +0200, Jesper Blauendahl wrote:
> I get the following messeges during boot
> 
> [...]
> 
> I have a ASUS A7V8X-X motherboard with 6 USB 2.0 ports, but it seems 
> like somthing goes wrong during boot.
> 
> Do I need to set anything special in the kernel config?

   I have the A7V8X motherboard (with all the extras).  Are you using the
extended 'APIC' interrupt controller?  (I'd guess not from the messages
I'm seeing, or more accurately not seeing, in the cut section you gave.)
The Via controller on the A7V8X supports APIC, so you may want to turn on
'Local APIC support on uniprocessors' and 'IO-APIC support on uniprocessors'
in the kernel configuration.  This effectively gives you several more
interrupts that you can use, and could allow you to avoid this problem.

   It may be more complicated if you dual-boot a lot; I'm unfortunately no
expert in how much of this information is kept in the BIOS.  But trying
the APIC setup shouldn't hurt and may help.

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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Ian Delahorne]

Zack Gilburd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Monday 23 June 2003 12:17, Ian Delahorne wrote:
> > Zack Gilburd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Replying to myselfwoohoo... I found my `lspci -v` output rather
> > > interesting.
> >
> > Is that a "yes", "no", "uh, maybe, if you wave a dead chicken at it?"
> >
> > Will SATA work?
> 
> It's hard to tell.  So, I'll take option C.  You're likely not going to get 
> "hardware" RAID, but software should be a problem.  Not to mention, SiI3112 
> support, as I write this, is VERY sketchy.

Oh well. I guess I'll find out.
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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Zack Gilburd]

On Monday 23 June 2003 12:17, Ian Delahorne wrote:
> Zack Gilburd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Replying to myselfwoohoo... I found my `lspci -v` output rather
> > interesting.
>
> Is that a "yes", "no", "uh, maybe, if you wave a dead chicken at it?"
>
> Will SATA work?

It's hard to tell.  So, I'll take option C.  You're likely not going to get 
"hardware" RAID, but software should be a problem.  Not to mention, SiI3112 
support, as I write this, is VERY sketchy.

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[gentoo-user] Unresolved symbol when starting X

[Jesper Blauendahl]

After having compiled and installed the nVidia GLX- and kernel module 
for my Diamond Viper 770 Riva TNT2 Ultra graphics card I get a strange 
message when i run startx:

> Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module 
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
> Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module 
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!

X starts and I can use it without getting any errors or unexpected lock 
ups, but they still bather me . Does anybody know what is wrong?

I've followed the Desktop configuration guide on www.gentoo.org.

Jesper

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Re: [gentoo-user] USB pen drives?

[Chris Bare]

> 
> When I plug in my USB pen drive, it shows up like so:
> 
> hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/2, assigned device number 2
> usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x5dc/0x80) is not claimed by any active driver.
> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
> usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
> scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
>   Vendor: LEXAR Model: DIGITAL FILM  Rev: /W1.
>   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
> USB Mass Storage device found at 2
> USB Mass Storage support registered.
> 
> ...however there is no /dev/sdaX. How do I mount it?
> 

try running sg_map. I haven't found an emerge for it, so let me know if
you find one. It is part of the sg3_utils package. Google for it and
build from source.

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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Ian Delahorne]

Zack Gilburd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Replying to myselfwoohoo... I found my `lspci -v` output rather 
> interesting.

Is that a "yes", "no", "uh, maybe, if you wave a dead chicken at it?"

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[gentoo-user] USB pen drives?

[Richard Revis]

When I plug in my USB pen drive, it shows up like so:

hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/2, assigned device number 2
usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x5dc/0x80) is not claimed by any active driver.
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
  Vendor: LEXAR Model: DIGITAL FILM  Rev: /W1.
  Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
USB Mass Storage device found at 2
USB Mass Storage support registered.

...however there is no /dev/sdaX. How do I mount it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote X session

[Ohad Lutzky]

As the user running the current X session:

$ xhost +B

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:39:25PM +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
> 
> I have 2 pcs running linux gentoo.
> 
> 1. Computador A: X :1.0 &
> DISPLAY=":1.0" xhost +B
> 2. Computer B
>DISPLAY="A:1.0" xterm
> 
> I get the folowing messages:
> 
> xterm: unable to open display "A:1.0"
> Xlib: connection to "A:1.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified
> 
> How can I do this?
> TIA
> Paulo
> 
> 
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[gentoo-user] IRQ routing conflict ?

[Jesper Blauendahl]

I get the following messeges during boot

> usb.c: registered new driver hub
> PCI: Found IRQ 3 for device 00:10.3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.0, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.1, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.2, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.3, have irq 10, want irq 3
> hcd.c: ehci-hcd @ 00:10.3, VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0
> hcd.c: irq 10, pci mem e0aa1000
> usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
> hcd/ehci-hcd.c: USB 2.0 support enabled, EHCI rev 1. 0
> hub.c: USB hub found
> hub.c: 6 ports detected
> uhci.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v1.1
> PCI: Found IRQ 3 for device 00:10.0
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.0, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.1, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.2, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.3, have irq 10, want irq 3
> uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd800, IRQ 10
> usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
> hub.c: USB hub found
> hub.c: 2 ports detected
> PCI: Found IRQ 3 for device 00:10.1
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.0, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.1, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.2, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.3, have irq 10, want irq 3
> uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd400, IRQ 10
> usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
> hub.c: USB hub found
> hub.c: 2 ports detected
> PCI: Found IRQ 3 for device 00:10.2
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.0, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.1, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.2, have irq 10, want irq 3
> IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.3, have irq 10, want irq 3
> uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd000, IRQ 10
> usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4
> hub.c: USB hub found
> hub.c: 2 ports detected
> usb.c: registered new driver usblp
> printer.c: v0.11: USB Printer Device Class driver
I have a ASUS A7V8X-X motherboard with 6 USB 2.0 ports, but it seems 
like somthing goes wrong during boot.

Do I need to set anything special in the kernel config?

Jesper

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RE: [gentoo-user] Remote X session

[Mark Knecht]

On the Redhat side I helped write a page on doing this. Check out:

http://www.rhil.net/docs/ssh_setup.html

FYI - I was running two Gentoo boxes, so there is nothing RH specific in the
way I set this up.

Good luck,
Mark

> -Original Message-
> From: Paulo da Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:39 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Remote X session
>
>
>
> I have 2 pcs running linux gentoo.
>
> 1. Computador A: X :1.0 &
>  DISPLAY=":1.0" xhost +B
> 2. Computer B
> DISPLAY="A:1.0" xterm
>
> I get the folowing messages:
>
> xterm: unable to open display "A:1.0"
> Xlib: connection to "A:1.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified
>
> How can I do this?
> TIA
> Paulo
>
>
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[gentoo-user] Remote X session

[Paulo da Silva]

I have 2 pcs running linux gentoo.

1. Computador A: X :1.0 &
DISPLAY=":1.0" xhost +B
2. Computer B
   DISPLAY="A:1.0" xterm
I get the folowing messages:

xterm: unable to open display "A:1.0"
Xlib: connection to "A:1.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified
How can I do this?
TIA
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Re: [gentoo-user] can't emerge sun-j2sdk-1.4.1-r1

[Matthias F. Brandstetter]

-- quoting Janne Johansson --
> Sorry for asking the obvious, but are you completely sure you
> copied the downloaded file j2sdk-1_4_1-src-scsl.zip to
> /usr/posrtage/distfiles? The real problem seems to be that the file
> is not found, and that'’s why it can’'t be unzipped.
>
> Is it there:
> ls /usr/portage/distfiles/j2sdk*

Yes it is - and while looking for it, I found out that the files had 
the wrong permissions set ... shame on me :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Zack Gilburd]

On Monday 23 June 2003 11:06, Zack Gilburd wrote:
> On Monday 23 June 2003 10:52, Ross Jordan wrote:
> > > I've got my hands on an ABIT KD7-S SATA RAID motherboard (Silicon
> > > Image SIL3112A chipset). Has anyone had any experience with the
> > > on-board SATA-controller (with or without the RAID)? I'd like to be
> > > able to use the hardware RAID (two disks, one on each channel), but
> > > software will work also.
> >
> > It is doubtful that any (ide) on-board controller is really hardware
> > RAID.  They are usually just IDE controller with drivers (i.e. software)
> > for RAID support.
> >
> > The supported chipsets and vendors page is here:
> > http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html
> >
> > It lists the sil3112 as SATA controller (not hardware raid).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ross
>
> Good luck getting the 3112(A) to work ATM.  There are "fixes" being
> developed right now, but with some kernels I get early boot panics, with
> others I have to use the infamous (?) /proc fix.

Replying to myselfwoohoo... I found my `lspci -v` output rather 
interesting.

01:08.0 Unknown mass storage controller: CMD Technology Inc Silicon Image SiI 
3112 SATARaid Controller (rev 02)
Subsystem: CMD Technology Inc Silicon Image SiI 3112 SATARaid 
Controller
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 12
I/O ports at a800 [size=8]
I/O ports at ac00 [size=4]
I/O ports at b000 [size=8]
I/O ports at b400 [size=4]
I/O ports at b800 [size=16]
Memory at d4028000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512]
Expansion ROM at  [disabled] [size=512K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2

Even though my SiI3112A is not "hardware" RAID capable.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mailing list archives [found]

[Ernie Schroder]

On Monday 23 June 2003 07:48 am, Gëzim wrote:
> OK, once agian thanks guys, and Ernie Schroder you
> don't happen to be a comedian, do you? lol

Not a comedian I just have a knack for irony. I also like to go to 
CompUSA and open Rogete's on a PC and type thesaurus. The output is 
that "there is no synonym for thesaurus" I just leave it like that
Another cool thing to do there is to bring in a few Knopix CD's and 
reboot a couple of Windows boxes
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Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?

[Frank Hellmuth]

On Monday 23 June 2003 19:25, Heschi Kreinick wrote:
> Works better if you use the right names. emerge -C gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r3
> or whatever.
> -Heschi

Thanks, it worked. I just looked into /usr/portage/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/
and found just

ChangeLog  gentoo-sources-2.4.19-r10.ebuild  Manifest
files  gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r5.ebuild

So I thought it's missing ebuild.

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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Zack Gilburd]

On Monday 23 June 2003 10:52, Ross Jordan wrote:
> > I've got my hands on an ABIT KD7-S SATA RAID motherboard (Silicon
> > Image SIL3112A chipset). Has anyone had any experience with the
> > on-board SATA-controller (with or without the RAID)? I'd like to be
> > able to use the hardware RAID (two disks, one on each channel), but
> > software will work also.
>
> It is doubtful that any (ide) on-board controller is really hardware
> RAID.  They are usually just IDE controller with drivers (i.e. software)
> for RAID support.
>
> The supported chipsets and vendors page is here:
> http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html
>
> It lists the sil3112 as SATA controller (not hardware raid).
>
> Cheers,
> Ross

Good luck getting the 3112(A) to work ATM.  There are "fixes" being developed 
right now, but with some kernels I get early boot panics, with others I have 
to use the infamous (?) /proc fix.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mailing list archives

[Ernie Schroder]

On Monday 23 June 2003 02:53 am, Rev. Jeffrey Paul wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Ernie Schroder wrote:
> > On Sunday 22 June 2003 06:54 pm, Gëzim wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > Tried looking for the gentoo users mailing list
> > > archives @ gentoo.org, but I did find them--guess
> > > didn't look hard enough!
> > >
> > > Can someone tell me where they are?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > ZiM
> >
> > Hm If you check the archives, you'll find that this question
> > has been asked and answered many times. :o)
>
> Wow.  You, sir, are officially Evil(tm).  Kudos. :)
>
> http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.user


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Re: [gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Ross Jordan]

> 
> I've got my hands on an ABIT KD7-S SATA RAID motherboard (Silicon
> Image SIL3112A chipset). Has anyone had any experience with the
> on-board SATA-controller (with or without the RAID)? I'd like to be
> able to use the hardware RAID (two disks, one on each channel), but
> software will work also.
It is doubtful that any (ide) on-board controller is really hardware 
RAID.  They are usually just IDE controller with drivers (i.e. software)
for RAID support.

The supported chipsets and vendors page is here:
http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html

It lists the sil3112 as SATA controller (not hardware raid).

Cheers,
Ross

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[gentoo-user] SATA-RAID

[Ian Delahorne]

I've got my hands on an ABIT KD7-S SATA RAID motherboard (Silicon
Image SIL3112A chipset). Has anyone had any experience with the
on-board SATA-controller (with or without the RAID)? I'd like to be
able to use the hardware RAID (two disks, one on each channel), but
software will work also. All my web searches give me articles in
polish and japanese :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?

[Christoph Kluge]

On Monday 23 June 2003 19:16, Ohad Lutzky wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 05:37:21PM +0200, Lars Juel Nielsen wrote:
> > did you do 'make mrproper' between the compiles when it didn't work? it
> > cleans up so it should be like a newly emerged tree.
>
> By the way, what's the difference between that and "make distclean"?

distclean extends mrproper in the way that core dumps, backupfiles,
patch-leftovers and thelike are also removed. It's of interest mainly for
kernel hackers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Zope initial login

[downtime null]

yes, i did. but i didn't catch the part right at the end about zope-config --zpasswd.

thanks.

On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 02:19:11AM +0200, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * downtime null (2003-06-20 12:28 +0200)
> > i just emerged Zope and it's not allowing me to login. i tried the
> > generated first login and i changed it with zpasswd.py, neither
> > worked.
> 
> Did you set 'PORT_LOGDIR=/var/log/portage' in make.conf? Then you
> should have a file -zope-2.6.1.log:
> 
> ,---
> | Note:
> | The initial user name and password are 'admin' 
>   
> | and 'fw3z51eX'.
>   
> |
>   
> | You can change the name and password through the web   
>   
> | interface or using the 'zpasswd.py' script.
> | 
> | Note: Don't forget to edit ZOPE_OPTS in /etc/conf.d/zope-2_6_1
> |  * Need to setup an inituser (admin) before executing zope:
> |  * zope-config --zpasswd
> `---
> 
> Thorsten
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Re: [gentoo-user] system time

[Andrew Dacey]

> In addition to ntp, a smaller, comparable program is rdate. It doesn't
> do fallback servers by itself, but can be made to with some simple
> scripting.

Personally, I've been using the DHCP server for my ISP as my ntp server. If
I can't reach that server then I've got way bigger problems :-).

Seriously though, it is a good thing to try. If you are using DHCP then you
may be able to use it as your time server. It's going to be a server that's
pretty close on your network so it should respond quickly, and like I said,
if you can't reach that then syncing the time is the least of your worries.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?

[Heschi Kreinick]

Works better if you use the right names. emerge -C gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r3
or whatever.
-Heschi
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?


> On Monday 23 June 2003 15:14, MAL wrote:
> > Frank Hellmuth wrote:
> > > Is it safe to do a
> > >
> > > #emerge -C linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r3 linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r4
> >
> > They aren't cleaned, as often previous sources are needed still, such as
> > when you want to compile a module for a previous version.
> >
> > Even when you run the above command, the directories will remain in
> > /usr/src, because when you compiled your kernel, you generate additional
> > files that weren't installed by the emerge.  So _after_ unmerging, you
> > can rm -rf /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r{3,4}
>
> Thanks for the information, now that I've tried it, I found that there are
no
> ebuilds for r3 and r4 in the portage tree anymore. So is there any way to
> unmerge them using portage-tools? Or do I just have to remove the
> directories?
>
> Hmmm --- esp. for something important like the kernel sources
> it leaves a bad taste: install via emerge, uninstall via adding ebuilds
manually to
> PORTDIR_OVERLAY or removing directories...
>
> Frank
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Why keeping old kernel sources?

[Ohad Lutzky]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 05:37:21PM +0200, Lars Juel Nielsen wrote:
> did you do 'make mrproper' between the compiles when it didn't work? it
> cleans up so it should be like a newly emerged tree.

By the way, what's the difference between that and "make distclean"?

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Re: [gentoo-user] system time

[Ohad Lutzky]

On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 09:38:24AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have been using ntpdate to set our linux server to get time form a utc
> server, however this package does not seem to be available form portage...
> anybody know if this package is buried within another package?  Or if there
> is a comparable package that I could use?  
> Thanks-
> Ryan

In addition to ntp, a smaller, comparable program is rdate. It doesn't
do fallback servers by itself, but can be made to with some simple
scripting.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mailing list archives [found]

[Peter Ruskin]

On Monday 23 Jun 2003 12:48, GXzim wrote:
> OK, once agian thanks guys, and Ernie Schroder you
> don't happen to be a comedian, do you? lol
>
> And by the way there is to places to find them (the
> archives):
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-user&r=1&w=2
> http://news.gmane.org/thread.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.user
>
A third, and IMHO a better source, is:


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