[gentoo-user] gcc missing but it is somehwre !?

[raptor]

I have very strange problem see below (this is session trought ssh). I have just 
emerged gcc (to be sure), and everything went ok !! 
The interesting thing is that if i do "make menuconfig" directly on the console it 
succeeds !!!
any idea..
(i'm succesfully emerging packges w/o any problems, no matter that i dont see gcc 
around )

==
/usr/src/linux# make menuconfig
rm -f include/asm
( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
make -C scripts/lxdialog all
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5/scripts/lxdialog'
/bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
 
>> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.
>>
>> You must have Ncurses installed in order
>> to use 'make menuconfig'
 
make[1]: *** [ncurses] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2

(* no problems with ncurses they are installed)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5 # whereis gcc
gcc:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5 # ls /usr/bin/gc*
ls: /usr/bin/gc*: No such file or directory

[EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5 # emerge -p gcc
 
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
 
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R  ] sys-devel/gcc-3.2.1-r6

#updatedb
# locate gcc | grep bin
/arh/portage/distfiles/j2sdk-1.4.1-01-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.1/include/java/security/DomainCombiner.h
/usr/sbin/gcc-config
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/c++
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/g++
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/g77
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/cpp
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcc
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcj
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gij
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcjh
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcov
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/rmic
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/c++filt
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/addr2name.awk
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/jv-scan
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcj-jar
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gccbug
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-c++
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-g77
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/grepjar
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/jv-convert
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/jcf-dump
/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/rmiregistry
/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.2.1-r6/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/html/27_io/binary_iostreams_kuehl.txt
/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.2.1-r6/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/html/27_io/binary_iostreams_kanze.txt




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Re: [gentoo-user] getting giFT to work properly

[Al Raq]

Hi Dear,

Here What I have:
gift-0.11.1
giftcurs-0.6.0 frontend (The best of all !!!)
gift-fasttrack-0.8.2  great pluging --->> you will get the maximum Users on 
line. 

To run giFT with FastTrack support and giftcurs as frontend, run:
# /usr/bin/giFT -d -p /usr/lib/giFT/libFastTrack.so ;  /usr/bin/giFTcurs

Adding the following line to
 ~/.giFT/gift.conf configuration file:
  plugins = OpenFT:FastTrack
did not work for me for some reason(s).

I had in the statiscs tab:
Users on line: 3126608 which is great !!!
...

Hope this helps.
Best regards.
Al
Linux newbie, gentoo newbie.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Xargs error on boot new installation.

[Kevin Hayes]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:54:21 +0200
Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> * Kevin Hayes (2003-07-24 07:29 +0200)
> > On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:44:15 -0400
> > Robert Kruus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:15:54 +1000 it is rumored that Kevin Hayes
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
> >>> the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
> >>> xargs: error message,
> 
> >>>   * Configuring kernel parameters...  [ ok ]
> >>> * Cleaning /var/lock, /var/run...
> >>> xargs: environment is too large for exec[ ok ]
> >>> * Cleaning /tmp directory...[ ok ]
> 
> >> Check the gentoo bugzilla.. 
> 
> > The module messages were generated by /etc/modules.devfs,
> > but the "xargs" error message is still there.
> 
> You mean it's supposed to disappear magically "somehow"?
> "Check the gentoo bugzilla" would have led to:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23569
> 
> bootmisc 1.32 (2003/06/23) from CVS fixes the bug:
> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/sys-apps/baselayout/files/rc-scripts-1.4.3.9.tar.bz2?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain
> 
> Thorsten

Bug has already been pointed out to me by others, you obviously
didn't bother reading the thread and are jumping in at the end of
a thread you haven't read.
It really is a waste of bandwidth doing this, if you can't add something constructive, 
without sarcasm you shouldn't bother replying.

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /var/log/messages absent

[Stephen Boulet]

Thanks for the response! Now I know.

I wonder if I should submit a bug report for the gentoo printing howto since 
it recommends doing tail -f /var/log/messages?

I think I will -- that would be a nice (little) improvement.

-- Stephen

On Thursday 24 July 2003 09:45 am, Florian Huber wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:24:51 +0200
>
> Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Stephen Boulet (2003-07-24 13:50 +0200)
> >
> > > I've emerged metalog according to the directions, but there is no
> > > /var/log/messages.
> > >
> > > Is this normal?
> >
> > Yes
>
> It is indeed ;)
>
> You may look at /var/log/everything/current, which is the
> metalog-equivalent.
> You can symlink it to /var/log/messages (no hardlink!) or install
> another kernel logd.
>
> HTH
>   Florian Huber

-- 
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  From here to there
 and there to here,
   funny things are everywhere.  -- Dr Seuss



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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Christopher Egner]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 16:23, Joel Palmius wrote:
> Small data-driven applications which mainly is data-in data-out 
> via a fancy interface: use PHP. Larger more complex project which may need 
> to include complex string parsing: use perl. If you are going to write 
> *really* large and complex programs (say, in the vincinity of 1 meg source 
> code), install Tomcat and use Java Servlets instead. I would also 
> recommend Java as the better choice if you are learning a first language, 
> since it enforces a good way of thinking.


I think I disagree in the order that one should learn programming
languages. You should do it like my parents did. Start with machine code
and punch cards. Move up to assembler (although there is little
difference). Then "discover" fortran and "invent" pascal. When you
realize that things can be so much easier design c, remake it as
objective c since you still have to design c++. When you've finished all
that, you've finally got a language you can use to reliably design perl
or php (since you've designed them, you now know what you should use
but I'm sure you'll go back to assembler anyway)

-- 
Christopher

In 1968 it took the computing power of 2 C-64's to fly a rocket to the
moon. Now, in 1998 it takes the Power of a Pentium 200 to run Microsoft
Windows 95. Something must have gone wrong.


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RE: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

[dao]

-Original Message-
From: Dhruba Bandopadhyay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

dao wrote:
> I download packages for emerging from my workplace. And after I've
done
> "emerge xfree86" at home (maybe I'd better do "emerge -U xfree86" ?) I
> receive such an error:

Post output of 'emerge info'.

localhost root # emerge info
 
 
Performing Global Updates: /usr/portage/profiles/updates/1Q-2003
(Could take a couple minutes if you have a lot of binary packages.)
  .='update pass'  *='binary update'  @='/var/db move'
...
 
 
Performing Global Updates: /usr/portage/profiles/updates/2Q-2003
(Could take a couple minutes if you have a lot of binary packages.)
  .='update pass'  *='binary update'  @='/var/db move'

.
 
 
Performing Global Updates: /usr/portage/profiles/updates/3Q-2002
(Could take a couple minutes if you have a lot of binary packages.)
  .='update pass'  *='binary update'  @='/var/db move'


 
 
Performing Global Updates: /usr/portage/profiles/updates/3Q-2003
(Could take a couple minutes if you have a lot of binary packages.)
  .='update pass'  *='binary update'  @='/var/db move'
.
 
 
Performing Global Updates: /usr/portage/profiles/updates/4Q-2002
(Could take a couple minutes if you have a lot of binary packages.)
  .='update pass'  *='binary update'  @='/var/db move'

..
Portage 2.0.48-r5 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.2, glibc-2.3.1-r2)
=
System uname: 2.4.20-gentoo-r1 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU
1000MHz
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo";
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /var/qmail/control /usr/kde/2/share/config
/usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/env.d"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="/var/distfiles"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=""
USE="x86 oss apm arts avi crypt cups encode foomaticdb gif java jpeg
libg++ libwww mad mikmod mmx mpeg ncurses nls pdflib png quicktime spell
truetype xml2 xmms xv zlib gdbm berkdb slang readline svga guile X sdl
gpm tcpd pam ssl perl python esd imlib oggvorbis gnome gtk qt kde motif
opengl cdr -3dnow"
COMPILER="gcc3"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium3 -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
FEATURES="sandbox ccache"



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Re: [gentoo-user] getting giFT to work properly

[Simon Mushi]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 21:45, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> Simon Mushi wrote:
> > Andrew,
> > 
> > Yes, I have had gift-fasttrack via cvs and giFTui running constantly for
> > the past 3 days since I installed them from info supplied in the TIP
> > section of the last Gentoo Newsletter. Its been smooth sailing although I
> > remember playing around with my accept setting before I would be permitted
> > to emerge giFTui.
> 
> Do you have any problems with the giFT daemon randomly dying?

No...this is the output of my "giFT -V"

giFT 0.11.1 (Built Mon Jul 21 18:06:13 EST 2003)
 
Copyright (c) 2001-2003 giFT project (http://giftproject.org/)
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is
NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE.
 
Compile-time support:
Berkeley DB 3.2.9
ImageMagick 5.5.6
Ogg Vorbis 1.0
ZLib 1.1.4
Dynamic library loading (via ltdl)
 
Compile-time environment paths:
DATA_DIR=/usr/share/giFT
PLUGIN_DIR=/usr/lib/giFT
 
Available plugins:
OpenFT 0.1.0.3
Gnutella 0.0.1
FastTrack 0.8.2

..if it helps...Simon


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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

[Jason Stubbs]

On Saturday 12 July 2003 20:45, Meka[ni] wrote:
> On Saturday 12 July 2003 09:22, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> > Using those CFLAGS (athlon-mp instead of xp...typo), I did a base
> > install of Gentoo. The bootstrap took 49 minutes. The 'emerge system'
> > took 50 minutes. I love this system! :)
> >
> > Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> > > I'm installing Gentoo on a dual Athlon MP 2200 system that I just
> > > built. What CFLAGS are other people with this type of hardware using?
> > >  recommends:
> > >
> > > CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
> > > CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
> > > CXXFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
> > >
> > > Are these good enough? This machine will be a production server, so
> > > nothing overly agressive. Thanks.
>
>   Maybe adding -ffast-math would'n be bad. It is not agresive even for those
> programs that are CFLAGS buggy, but it means a lot for the performance.
> Good luck. :o)

I have an Athlon XP 1800+ and am using CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe 
-fomit-frame-pointer -mfpmath=sse". I was using -O3 but read that it can be 
slower than -O2 on systems that don't have a large CPU cache. I believe that 
the cache on my system is only 64K and so tried recompiling everything with 
-O2 and have found it to be significantly faster.

Jason


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[gentoo-user] read and send ISP mail via Squirrelmail (+ sylpheed-claws, mutt?)

[Devios McShady]

I am a small step above a complete noob when it comes to Linux.  I am seeking guidance 
and very detailed information in setting up my system so I can read and send email 
addressed to and sent from my ISP email (POP/SMTP) account.

I already have Apace/PHP/SquirrelMail installed and working on my system.

I assume that I need some kind of scheduled process to download my ISP mail (download 
my mail from my ISP's pop mail server) on regular intervals and deliver it to the 
squirrelmail inbox.

I am also assuming that I need some sort of scheduled process to take mail that I send 
from squirrelmail and send it from my ISP account (connect to my isp's SMTP server and 
send all mail) on regular intervals.

I need to know what I need in addition to squirrelmail and how to configure these and 
squirrelmail to accomplish this.  The Gentoo Desktop Configuration help guide was 
unclear to me.  Assuming I get the help I need, I will attempt to contact the author 
and explain why it was unclear and give my reccomendations so I can pass along the 
favor to the community.

The guide seemed to suggest that fetchmail and courier-imap somehow came into the mix 
in some way that I do not understand.

Here's the extra credit question: Since I access my system remotely via web and ssh, 
and use a GUI when I'm local, can I also throw mutt and sylpheed-claws into this 
equation and have mutt/sylpheed/squirrelmail all share the same inbox and sent 
folders?  THAT would truly be an accomplishment and is something I would like to make 
happen if possible.  Minimally, I'd like to have sylpheed and mutt share the same 
folders and synchronize with the squirrelmail folders (keep in mind that some messages 
will be sent from squirrelmail, so syncronization is a two-way thing).  I would need 
some specifics on how to configure mutt and sylpheed-claws to share folders; my web 
searches and research and manual reading has been extremely frustrating due to my 
noobishness.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe for any assistance,

Devi0s

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Re: [gentoo-user] getting giFT to work properly

[Andrew Gaffney]

Simon Mushi wrote:
Andrew,

Yes, I have had gift-fasttrack via cvs and giFTui running constantly for
the past 3 days since I installed them from info supplied in the TIP
section of the last Gentoo Newsletter. Its been smooth sailing although I
remember playing around with my accept setting before I would be permitted
to emerge giFTui.
Do you have any problems with the giFT daemon randomly dying?

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[gentoo-user] distcc and openoffice 1.1 now working ?

[R'twick Niceorgaw]

Hi,
has any one managed to compile openoffice 1.1 beta with distcc? I can compile 
it fine without distcc. However, with distcc on, I always get this error

-

*  *
*   Checking the platform pre-requisites.  *
*  *

checking for gawk... gawk
checking for gawk... /bin/gawk
checking for sed... /bin/sed
checking the operating system... checked (Linux)
checking for gcc... distcc /usr/bin/ccache gcc
checking for C compiler default output... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...
checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: cannot compute suffix 
of object files: cannot compile
See `config.log' for more details.

!!! ERROR: app-office/openoffice-1.1_beta2-r1 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 296, Exitcode 1
!!! (no error message)
---

I tried it on two machines and got exactly the same error (regardless of where 
it is trying to compile).

Below are portions of various logs. 
Is there anywhere else I can look at to find the cause? or any work around of 
this ? 

Regards
R'twick

This is what I got in the distcc log

distcc[15837] (dcc_retrieve_results) Notice: skipping retrieval of 0 byte 
object file conftest.o
distcc[15837] (dcc_unlock) release lock fd7
distcc[15837] ERROR: compile on 192.168.0.3/2 failed with exit code 1
distcc[15837] elapsed compilation time 0.140080s
distcc[15837] (dcc_exit) exit: code 1; self: 0.00 user 0.046992 sys; 
children: 0.000999 user 0.065989 sys
distcc[15837] (dcc_cleanup_tempfiles) deleted 1 temporary files
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and here's what in syslog of the compiling machine
--
Jul 24 18:09:25 kharavela distccd[2682]: (dcc_check_client) connection from 
192.168.0.3:32851
Jul 24 18:09:25 kharavela distccd[2682]: compile from conftest.c to conftest.o
Jul 24 18:09:25 kharavela distccd[2682]: (dcc_r_file_timed) 143 bytes received 
in 0.000331s, rate 422kB/s
Jul 24 18:09:25 kharavela distccd[2682]: (dcc_collect_child) cc times: user 
0.00s, system 0.010998s, 16 minflt, 94 majflt
Jul 24 18:09:25 kharavela distccd[2682]: /usr/bin/ccache on localhost failed 
with exit code 1
Jul 24 18:09:25 kharavela distccd[2682]: job complete
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Harlan]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 12:11 pm, Alex wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?
>
> The only graphical program I intend to run is Mozilla, otherwise I will
> use text based programs. I guess I just want a dumb terminal that can do
> X.

On all of my systems, both laptop and desktop, Gentoo is the only Linux that I 
run anymore.  All of my systems are at home, not work.

My laptop is usually my "main" system because I can take it with me.  I use 
OpenOffice, kmail, mozilla, konqueror, gramps, and nearly anything else that 
I want.  I did find, however, that netbeans uses way too much CPU and memory 
and that it is better just to wait until I am at home to actually program 
anything; running an app is fine, just not programming.

I am using fvwm as the window manager, which *does* seem to make a difference 
when using applications.  I do compile all of KDE, and parts on gnome, but I 
don't use the default window manager.  On a slower computer, fvwm seems to 
provide better performance - fewer things to load.

>
> I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
> of a computer can be useful?
>

I have gentoo running on an IBM Thinkpad 380D laptop (Pentium 150 MMX,
80 MB RAM - maxed out, 20 GB harddrive).  It's not the fastest thing in the 
world, but it runs descently.  Once tuned, gentoo has no problems running.  
Because of the low amount of RAM, it does swap quite a bit with larger 
applications, such as OpenOffice and mozilla.  Do not try to actually program 
with netbeans (it will take all day to do next to nothing); running an 
application is fine however.

It takes about 2-3 days to install the base system, about 10 days, or so, to 
compile all of X and KDE.  I know this seems to be a long time, but since I 
am not running in a production environment and they can be unattended during 
the vast majority of the build process, it does not bother me.  I start it, I 
go to bed, go to work, go do something else; I check on it periodically.  
When it needs my input, it waits, I give it the input, it continues on.  No 
problem.

> Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other
> browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages
> correctly.

My main desktop is a Pentium 233 MMX, mozilla seems to run quite well without 
any problems.  Memory availability seems to be the main problem as it does 
swap a bit; I have 256 MB of RAM on this system.  Again, once tuned, gentoo 
doesn't seem to have any problems.  I run fvwm as the window manager on this 
system also without problems.  This system handles netbeans without any 
problems; it has a lot more memory that the 380D.

>
> What does X need to run smoothly, say as a dumb terminal?

My guess, proper drivers to match your video card and monitor.

>
> I was also hoping it could last more than 3 hours on battery without
> weighing a ton (and be able to use a wireless network card).

My Thinkpad 380D lasts about 1 hour when running either gentoo or
Windows NT 4.0.  I think it is more of a hardware problem than software, at 
least it appears to be on this laptop.

>
> I suppose this is too much...

Never!  I always push my systems to the limit.  That's why they are there 
after all.

>
> -Alex
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I hope this helps.

Harlan...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Online package list differs from emerge cache

[Marius Mauch]

On 07/25/03  Molnar Peter wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I'm new to gentoo. I've installed gnome2, and right now I'm trying to
> get the new gnome-themes-extras package work. There is a bug in the
> gnome-panel package, that was fixed in version 2.2.2.2. According to
> the online package list, it is already available through emerge. But
> no matter how many times I run emerge sync, I always get the same to
> emerge-s gentoo-panel. Through emerge the newest version that is
> available is 2.2.2.1.
> Any solutions?
> Thanks.

As Brett already said the version you look for is probably masked, if
you need more information on masked packages the forums are full of
information about that.

In case you've synced multiple times on the same day: don't sync more
than two or three times per day, it puts quite a load on the servers.
Check out http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030512-newsletter.xml for
more information.

Marius

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 Test

[Jeremy Hanmer]

generally when you compile external modules (alsa, wireless drivers,
etc) that aren't part of the kernel source (luckily, alsa's part of
2.5/2.6), they'll look for the kernel headers in /usr/src/linux.  I
guess it doesn't really matter if you don't use any external modules,
but it's still good practice.

On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 07:15, Tom Syroid wrote:
> I'm preparing to build/test the new 2.6 kernel on my dual Athlon box. I'm 
> current running gentoo-sources 2.4.20-r5.
> 
> My question is this: In the past it's been noted on numerous occasions the 
> importance of having the link /usr/src/linux pointing to the current kernel 
> before configuration. Does this advice also apply to the 2.5.x series 
> kernels, linked as "linux-beta"?
> 
> In other words, do I need to create a /usr/src/linux symlink to the 2.6 
> test directory, or will the existing linux-beta symlink suffice?
> 
> Best,
> /tom
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Re: [gentoo-user] getting giFT to work properly

[Simon Mushi]

Andrew,

Yes, I have had gift-fasttrack via cvs and giFTui running constantly for
the past 3 days since I installed them from info supplied in the TIP
section of the last Gentoo Newsletter. Its been smooth sailing although I
remember playing around with my accept setting before I would be permitted
to emerge giFTui.

Best

Simon

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Andrew Gaffney wrote:

> Is there anyone who has giFT working properly? I was using the latest 
> release of gift (not gift-cvs). It worked fine, except it would keep 
> dying every few minutes. I'd have to exit my client (usually giFTcurs), 
> restart the daemon, and restart my client. If anyone has it working, 
> what versions are you using of gift and gift-fasttrack(-cvs)?
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Online package list differs from emerge cache

[Brett I. Holcomb]

Is the new build masked?  The ebuild file will have KEYWORDS="~x86" or other 
arch if it is.  Try 

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -p gnome.

and see what it tells you.


> Hi!
>
> I'm new to gentoo. I've installed gnome2, and right now I'm trying to
> get the new gnome-themes-extras package work. There is a bug in the
> gnome-panel package, that was fixed in version 2.2.2.2. According to the
> online package list, it is already available through emerge. But no
> matter how many times I run emerge sync, I always get the same to emerge
> -s gentoo-panel. Through emerge the newest version that is available is
> 2.2.2.1.
> Any solutions?
> Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Terje Kvernes]

daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  [ ... ]

> for example, mail() is a php function that sends mail to someone.
> this capability is available in perl, but requires much more work on
> your behalf.  in perl, you have to open a pipe to your mail binary,
> write to it and then close the pipe.

  eh, no, if you're sending a mail with Perl, you'll probably want to
  do:

perl -MCPAN -e 'install Mail::Mailer'

  and read the documentation for that module.
 
> i love perl.  it's the shiz-nit when it comes to writing
> log-parsers, or system administration tools, but for my money, php
> is just faster and easier to use for the web.

  with the CGI module, good abstractions and a good plan, perl is
  extremely nice for the web.  the main problem with people writing
  web applications is that they seem to think that printing out HTML
  with "print" is something you'll need to do here and there in every
  other script.

  to deal with our machine database at work, we have something that
  looks a lot like this:

my $page = new HTML::Page;

$page->attribute('title', 'My title');
$page->attribute('header', 'First header (automatically h1)');
$page->attribute('leadin', 'The first "teaser" paragraph');

my $part = new HTML::Page::Part;

for my $node (@hostlist) {
next unless $node->attribute('retired');

# reblessing is also an option.
push @nodelist, new HTML::Host $node;
}

@nodelist = sort {
$a->attribute('retired') <=> $b->attribute('retired)
} @nodelist;

$part->attribute('header', 'retired hosts (automatically as a h2)');
$part->attribute('nodelist', @nodelist);
$part->attribute('keylist', qw|name jack retired|);
  
$page->add_part($part);
$page->display()

  you construct a page as a series of parts, where each part has a
  given set of characteristics and some data in it.  the Part and Page
  modules both inherit a bit of HTML-crud so they can produce valid
  HTML or XHTML depending on the use.  for our tasks, CSS does all the
  formatting.

  but, the point is more that the CGI (which isn't formally CGI due to
  mod_perl) doesn't contain a single piece of HTML.  achieving this
  with PHP and "include" is butt ugly, but it will get less ugly when
  PHP finally gets a somewhat decent object system.
 
  [ ... ]

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[gentoo-user] Online package list differs from emerge cache

[Molnar Peter]

Hi!

I'm new to gentoo. I've installed gnome2, and right now I'm trying to
get the new gnome-themes-extras package work. There is a bug in the
gnome-panel package, that was fixed in version 2.2.2.2. According to the
online package list, it is already available through emerge. But no
matter how many times I run emerge sync, I always get the same to emerge
-s gentoo-panel. Through emerge the newest version that is available is
2.2.2.1.
Any solutions?
Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] RFC: Gentoo Linux secure, SPAM-free e-mail HOWTO

[Brian Richardson]

On July 24, 2003 18:25, Cal Evans wrote:
> http://www.cubik.ca/~brian/gentoo-full-featured-email.howto.txt
> *
> * Cal Evans
> * http://www.christianperformer.com
> * Stay plugged in to your audience!
> *

I've copied the file so that both posted links work. Sorry for the confusion.

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with blocked ebuilds

[Terje Kvernes]

Ben Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I forgot to mention that I had tried that and perl will not even
> update.  It fails with the same error.

  unmerge the blocking packages, then update perl.

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[gentoo-user] Some init.d problems

[Paulo da Silva]

Summary
-
I am trying to start hdparm before checkroot during
the booting process. So, I put "before *" in the hdparm
script and "after hdparm" in the checkroot.
I used rc-update as follows:
   rc-update del hdparm
   rc-update del checkroot
   rc-update add hdparm boot
   rc-update add checkroot boot
but I didn't get the efect I pretend!
Am I doing anything wrong?
Some adtional info
-
The main reason I'm trying this is to avoid the reiserfs messages
claiming dma is not on for the disks during the fsck in checkroot
and checkfs.
I have written a small hdparm just to set the dma and other parametres
I use. The original one causes strange things to happen including,
crashing kde - I posted some ask for help here and on gentoo-dev but
got no answers. So, it is supposed to not need anything to be executed
before it.
BTW, I have baselayout-1.8.6.8-r1



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Re: [gentoo-user] RFC: Gentoo Linux secure, SPAM-free e-mail HOWTO

[Cal Evans]

http://www.cubik.ca/~brian/gentoo-full-featured-email.howto.txt
*
* Cal Evans
* http://www.christianperformer.com
* Stay plugged in to your audience!
*

blade- said:
> Hi,
>
> link not working
> The requested URL /~brian/gentoo-linux-full-featured-email.howto.txt was
> not found on this server.
>
> regards
>
> Brian Richardson wrote:
>
>>The full text of this HOWTO is too large for the list. Please read it at:
>>
>>http://www.cubik.ca/~brian/gentoo-linux-full-featured-email.howto.txt

>>
>>Any comments or helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Don't worry, I
>>haven't configured anything to send encrypted mail to mailing lists :)
>> And
>>I've slept now, so this message has been posted to the correct address.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Brian
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [gentoo-user] RFC: Gentoo Linux secure, SPAM-free e-mail HOWTO

[Bryan D. Stine]

The correct link seems to be here:
http://www.cubik.ca/~brian/gentoo-full-featured-email.howto.txt

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 20:19, blade- wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> link not working
> The requested URL /~brian/gentoo-linux-full-featured-email.howto.txt was 
> not found on this server.
> 
> regards
> 
> Brian Richardson wrote:
> 
> >The full text of this HOWTO is too large for the list. Please read it at:
> >
> >http://www.cubik.ca/~brian/gentoo-linux-full-featured-email.howto.txt
> >
> >Any comments or helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Don't worry, I 
> >haven't configured anything to send encrypted mail to mailing lists :) And 
> >I've slept now, so this message has been posted to the correct address.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Brian
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] RFC: Gentoo Linux secure, SPAM-free e-mail HOWTO

[blade-]

Hi,

link not working
The requested URL /~brian/gentoo-linux-full-featured-email.howto.txt was 
not found on this server.

regards

Brian Richardson wrote:

The full text of this HOWTO is too large for the list. Please read it at:

http://www.cubik.ca/~brian/gentoo-linux-full-featured-email.howto.txt

Any comments or helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Don't worry, I 
haven't configured anything to send encrypted mail to mailing lists :) And 
I've slept now, so this message has been posted to the correct address.

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[gentoo-user] RFC: Gentoo Linux secure, SPAM-free e-mail HOWTO

[Brian Richardson]

The full text of this HOWTO is too large for the list. Please read it at:

http://www.cubik.ca/~brian/gentoo-linux-full-featured-email.howto.txt

Any comments or helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Don't worry, I 
haven't configured anything to send encrypted mail to mailing lists :) And 
I've slept now, so this message has been posted to the correct address.

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/log/messages absent

[Brian Richardson]

On July 24, 2003 05:50, Stephen Boulet wrote:
> I've emerged metalog according to the directions, but there is no
> /var/log/messages.
>
> Is this normal?

Apologies for the encrypted e-mail. The answer I sent was that metalog does 
not use /var/log/messages. The metalog syslog is under 
/var/log/everything/current.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Nspluginscan doesn't exist (even if compiled with +motif)

[Stefano Marinelli]

Alle 01:50, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, el lodger ha scritto:
> locate nspluginscan

nothing...it doesn't get compiled at all...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Nspluginscan doesn't exist (even if compiled with+motif)

[el lodger]

> strange...same USE, more or less, but the which doesn't find
> anything...

try using 
locate nspluginscan
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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Steven Elling]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 16:37, Asgodom Woldu wrote:
> You are right guys, 'ifup' and 'ifdown' are debian commands, he did say
> that he uses debian. i was able to use 'ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 up' to
> activate the card, however, i still have the same problem even though the
> card is activated. do you think it could be a driver problem? i am using
> Netgear FA311 and Belkin F5D5000. is it possible that gentoo can detect
> the cards, but still have a driver problem? forgive me if this is a silly
> question, but i am running of ideas :(


I used the IP 10.0.0.1 as an example.  If you are going to use static IPs, 
you need to use one for the network you are on.  Are you directly 
connecting to the Internet or are you on a private network with a gateway, 
firewall or proxy to the Internet?  Is DHCP being used on the network to 
handle dynamic IPs?

If you are directly connected to the Internet, you cannot use any IP as 
defined in RFC1918 (http://www.rfc-editor.org/) because they are reserved 
for private networks and are not routeable to the Internet.  The IP ranges 
in RFC1918 include 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255, 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255, 
and 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255.  You will need to find out what IP 
address range your ISP is using and then try to find an IP that is unused.  
Warning, doing this will cause an IP conflict if someone else starts using 
the IP you used.

If you are on a private network, you will still need to find out what IP 
address range is being used.  You will also need to set the routes and/or 
define where the proxy server is using http_proxy and ftp_proxy (man wget 
for more details).

Once you get the network details figured out and the interfaces configure, 
try to ping a neighbor or one of the routes.

In my experiences, if the kernel/Gentoo can detect the card and load the 
drivers then their is nothing wrong with the drivers --- provided of course 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

[Collins Richey]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:39:33 +0100
Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Kevin Hayes wrote:
> > Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
> > the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
> > xargs: error message,
> > 

> 
> Update baselayout.  The version 1.8.6.9 of baselayout fixes this error
> and many other ones too.
> 

Which, it turns out is masked!  It would be nice to know when we have a
stable version of baselayout again.  I've been sitting on baselayout for
a couple of weeks now.

Later posts seem to say that the masked version doesn't really fix
everything.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Ian Truelsen]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:37:40 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Asgodom Woldu) wrote:

> You are right guys, 'ifup' and 'ifdown' are debian commands, he did
> say that he uses debian. i was able to use 'ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 up'
> to activate the card, however, i still have the same problem even
> though the card is activated. do you think it could be a driver
> problem? i am using Netgear FA311 and Belkin F5D5000. is it possible
> that gentoo can detect the cards, but still have a driver problem?
> forgive me if this is a silly question, but i am running of ideas :(
> 
What does lsmod show? Does ifconfig now show the interfaces being up?

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Re: [gentoo-user] 802.11 cards

[Stefano Marinelli]

Alle 14:42, giovedì 24 luglio 2003, Christian Aust ha scritto:
> I'm using a Netgear MA401 wireless card with gentoo; it works well. I
> have to plug in the card after init finishes and starts the user

I have the same wireless card and I think it's a good piece of hardware, 
but I have some problems: the download never goes over 500 KB/sec, and 
the cpu load gets high. A friend of mine (with the same card) doesn't 
experience this. What could be wrong?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Nspluginscan doesn't exist (even if compiled with +motif)

[Stefano Marinelli]

Alle 14:24, giovedì 24 luglio 2003, Peter Ruskin ha scritto:

> $ qpkg -f `which nspluginscan`
> kde-base/kdebase *
>
> $ emerge -pv kdebase
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild   R  ] kde-base/kdebase-3.1.2  -ldap +pam +motif +encode
> +oggvorbis +cups +ssl +opengl +samba +java

strange...same USE, more or less, but the which doesn't find anything...

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[gentoo-user] Re: Xargs error on boot new installation.

[Thorsten Kampe]

* Kevin Hayes (2003-07-24 07:29 +0200)
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:44:15 -0400
> Robert Kruus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:15:54 +1000 it is rumored that Kevin Hayes
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
>>> the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
>>> xargs: error message,

>>> * Configuring kernel parameters...  [ ok ]
>>> * Cleaning /var/lock, /var/run...
>>> xargs: environment is too large for exec[ ok ]
>>> * Cleaning /tmp directory...[ ok ]

>> Check the gentoo bugzilla.. 

> The module messages were generated by /etc/modules.devfs,
> but the "xargs" error message is still there.

You mean it's supposed to disappear magically "somehow"?
"Check the gentoo bugzilla" would have led to:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23569

bootmisc 1.32 (2003/06/23) from CVS fixes the bug:
http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/sys-apps/baselayout/files/rc-scripts-1.4.3.9.tar.bz2?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain

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Re: [gentoo-user] usermod strangeness

[Theofilos Intzoglou]

Maybe you should try:

# usermod -G wheel,audio,games,slocate,portage,svn -g users doug

as users is given with the -g option. The other, more preferable, way
is to open the /etc/passwd file and add every additional group by hand
:-)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:02:39 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When I execute the following command:
> 
> # usermod -G wheel,audio,games,users,slocate,portage,svn -g users doug
> 
> My computer just sits there until I Ctrl-C to get my shell back.  I
> thought this was pretty straightforward; am I doing something wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] make modules-update do this...

[Theofilos Intzoglou]

  Anything that you want to be put in modules.conf should be added to
/etc/modules.d/aliases. modules-update checks all files in
/etc/modules.d/ and creates the /etc/modules.conf file automatically
that's why your changes were lost. Hope that helps! :-)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:24:31 +0100
Tom Wesley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to get my Tiger MP S2460 working with lm_sensors and have
> found the correct information to put into /etc/modules.conf, but this
> file gets replaced whenever I run modules-update.
> 
> Does anyone know how I can get it to complete the instructions in the
> attached file?
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[gentoo-user] [Slightly OT]: good search cgis?

[Shane Hickey]

Does anyone out there have some good recommendations for cgis to index
and search your site?  I would prefer something that was perl or PHP. 
This is for Apache.  It would be awesome if it was something that I
could use on apache for windows also (that's why I was thinking perl or
PHP).

I saw some out there, but I wanted to see if anyone had favorites?

Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mplayer and real audio?

[Juri Haberland]

Adam Scriven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 10:58:16AM +, Juri Haberland wrote:

>> Actually, I never tried streaming with mplayer. I only played local
>> files - successfully.
> 
> Ok, I emerged the LIVE plugin, then re-emerged mplayer, and I still
> get all the same errors.
> *shrug*
> At this point I'm not sure what to do.

You might want to go to the mplayer mailing lists as this is very
mplayer specific and is not Gentoo related - I'm out of ideas.

Cheers,
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[gentoo-user] getting giFT to work properly

[Andrew Gaffney]

Is there anyone who has giFT working properly? I was using the latest 
release of gift (not gift-cvs). It worked fine, except it would keep 
dying every few minutes. I'd have to exit my client (usually giFTcurs), 
restart the daemon, and restart my client. If anyone has it working, 
what versions are you using of gift and gift-fasttrack(-cvs)?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Asgodom Woldu]

Marshal Newrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Asgodom Woldu wrote:
>
>> >Do you have socket filtering enabled in the kernel?  I don't know how or
>> >why, but this seems to be required to allow dhcp to work.
>>
>> I am in the initial stages of the installation, trying to do 'emerge
>> sync'. So, i haven't had a chance to enable socket filtering yet. Is it
>> possible to install just from the CD, and enable socket filtering first?
>
>That has to be compiled into the kernel, so if it isn't already, you'd
>have to compile a new kernel first.  I don't know if it is or not.  I'm
>working with a currently installed system rather than trying to install a
>new system.
>
>> I also tried using static IP, but still have the same problem. I was
>> also told to activate eth0 and eth1 using the command 'ifup eth0' and
>> 'ifup eth1', but i get the error message 'ifup: command not found'. Any
>> ideas?
>
>'ifup' is a Debian thing.  'ifupdown' is a pair of scripts (ifup and
>ifdown) which read /etc/network/interfaces to bring network interfaces up
>or down.  The Gentoo way is to put your network information in
>/etc/conf.d/net.ethX and use /etc/init.d/net.ethX (where X is the same
>number for both) to start and stop the interface.

You are right guys, 'ifup' and 'ifdown' are debian commands, he did say that he uses 
debian. i was able to use 'ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 up' to activate the card, however, i 
still have the same problem even though the card is activated. do you think it could 
be a driver problem? i am using Netgear FA311 and Belkin F5D5000. is it possible that 
gentoo can detect the cards, but still have a driver problem? forgive me if this is a 
silly question, but i am running of ideas :(

Thanks,
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RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Condon Thomas A KPWA]

Alex wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?

I'm quite happy with Gentoo running on my TiBook 1GHz G4 at home.  It took
one weekend to set it up, and most of that was solving the disk partitioning
and multi boot (Mac OSX, Gentoo and Yellow Dog) problems.

I have three Sony Vaio's (2xZ505S, 1xZ505JE) that we use for testing.  I've
installed RedHat, SuSE, LFS & now Gentoo on one of them, the others had
RedHat installed by Emperor Linux.  But check out this URL:

http://www.emperorlinux.com/meteor.html

2.1 lbs!
1GHz Crusoe CPU
Ethernet & 802.11 built in
$1700

> I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how
> *slow* of a computer can be useful?

The Z505S is a 333MHz Celleron, and it took days to compile kde from the
basic install (120 emerges).  However, that done it is pretty quick, even
with KDE.

> Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are
> other browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most
> pages correctly.

Memory and connection speed will be more important than processor speed.

> What does X need to run smoothly, say as a dumb terminal?

There are relative "smoothly"s.  If you are used to a PI 133MHz and you are
now using a PIII 1GHz you will be happy.  If you are used to a PIII 1.4GHz
you probably won't be happy with anything.  Laptops do not necessarily run
slower than desktops.

> I was also hoping it could last more than 3 hours on battery without
> weighing a ton (and be able to use a wireless network card).

My TiBook lasts ~4 hours, weighs in at under 5.5 lb and has 802.11 build in
(no card needed).  The Meteor mentioned in the URL listed above only lists 2
hours on the battery.  However, the only time I ever push the battery life
is on an long flight.
 
> I suppose this is too much...

Dreaming is never too much.


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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Joel Palmius]

I second that. :-)

Another difference between perl and PHP is which perspective they are 
using. In PHP you are in essence writing html pages which include code. In 
(most) perl you are writing perl code which prints html output. (I say 
most, since you can do PHP-style programming with perl too, embperl and so 
on).

I'd say the choice also depend on which type of apps you are planning to 
develop. Small data-driven applications which mainly is data-in data-out 
via a fancy interface: use PHP. Larger more complex project which may need 
to include complex string parsing: use perl. If you are going to write 
*really* large and complex programs (say, in the vincinity of 1 meg source 
code), install Tomcat and use Java Servlets instead. I would also 
recommend Java as the better choice if you are learning a first language, 
since it enforces a good way of thinking.

One should also note that whereas PHP is one thing, perl is many. The 
difference between coding mod_perl, traditional CGI or embperl is quite 
large.

Personally I favor mod_perl in the choice between the above. 

Finally, it's very easy to write bad programs in any language. :-) Neither
perl nor PHP will try to stop you from stupid coding. If you go for perl,
I can only (as a programming teacher) recommend you to write "use strict;"
in top of each perl file (which enables strict checking of variable
declarations and similar).

  // Joel


On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, daniel wrote:

> On July 24, 2003 02:24 pm, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> > I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best language to
> > use with apache. I don't know both and going to learn one. I know that perl
> > can be used "standalone" of php i don't know.
> 
> perl is amazing.  you can write cgi-scripts in it for web forms, write an mp3 
> player for your car, or, if given enough time, i'm sure some perl-geeks could 
> write software for exploratory robots on mars.  perl is pretty damn amazing 
> in terms of its expandability with modules, community support and one of my 
> favourites: string parsing.  perl is GREAT at pulling down content from 
> sites, ripping through it for info and sorting it any way you like.
> 
> php is WAY easier to use though.  connecting to a mysql db is practically 
> seemless and there's a huge number of built-in functions that are used all 
> the time in web development that have to be hand written in perl.
> 
> for example, mail() is a php function that sends mail to someone.  this 
> capability is available in perl, but requires much more work on your behalf.  
> in perl, you have to open a pipe to your mail binary, write to it and then 
> close the pipe.
> 
> i love perl.  it's the shiz-nit when it comes to writing log-parsers, or 
> system administration tools, but for my money, php is just faster and easier 
> to use for the web.
> 
> IMPORTANT NOTE:
> 
> php has some serious failings when it comes to programming.  it's designed for 
> sloppy coders, not enforcing namespaces and instead preferring to globalise 
> your variables etc.  if you're looking to learn your first language, don't 
> let it be php.  it gives you some bad habits that can be harder to shake 
> later on.
> 
> my $0.02
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] mikmod server doesnot work.

[Theofilos Intzoglou]

  If you want to build mikmod just for listening to mod files on xmms,
you may want to give the modplugxmms plugin a try. It gives way better
sound quality than mikmod and has better support on some module files
like .it.xm etc...

On 23 Jul 2003 07:45:31 -0700
Spundun Bhatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have got this problem for a week now. The web server hosting mikmod
> site, seems to be terribly down. I mean it cant even lookup the host
> name. This is what happens
> Another on of those annoying ebuilds which break your favourite emerge
> world -uD :)
> Spundun
> 
> 
> mermaid root # emerge mikmod
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> >>> emerge (1 of 1) media-sound/mikmod-3.1.6a to /
> >>> Downloading
> http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a
> --07:40:46-- 
> http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a
>=> `/usr/portage/distfiles/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a'
> Resolving gentoo.oregonstate.edu... done.
> Connecting to gentoo.oregonstate.edu[128.193.0.3]:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> 07:40:46 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>  
> >>> Downloading
> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a
> --07:40:46-- 
> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a
>=> `/usr/portage/distfiles/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a'
> Resolving distro.ibiblio.org... done.
> Connecting to distro.ibiblio.org[152.2.210.109]:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> 07:40:46 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>  
> >>> Downloading
> >http://www.mikmod.org/files/patches/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a
> --07:40:46--  http://www.mikmod.org/files/patches/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a
>=> `/usr/portage/distfiles/patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a'
> Resolving www.mikmod.org... failed: Host not found.
> !!! Couldn't download patch-mikmod-3.1.6-a. Aborting.
> mermaid root #
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

[Norberto BENSA]

Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
> I have the same problem.  I have the newest baselayout and all my files
> are updated.

$ qpkg -I -v baselayout
sys-apps/baselayout-1.8.6.9 *

This is a snippet of bootmisc:

# Clean up any stale locks.
#
ebegin "Cleaning /var/lock, /var/run"
( find /var/lock -type f -exec rm -f -- {} \; )

Does yours read the same?

Regards,
Norberto


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[A. Craig West]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Stroller wrote:

> On 24/7/03 6:11 pm, "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?
> >... 
> > I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
> > of a computer can be useful?
> > 
> > Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other
> > browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages
> > correctly.

I run gentoo on a PII - 266, and it works fine, although I REALLY don't
recommend using KDE with it, it takes 5 days or so to compile. It certainly
isn't the fastest thing to build with, but it is quite usable.

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage question

[Leonid Podolny]

> On Thursday 24 July 2003 08:11, Leonid Podolny wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I know this question was asked here at least dozen of times, but I still
> > have the following problem. I have postfix-2.0.13-r1 installed, and
every
> > emerge -u world is trying to downgrade it to version 2.0.11.
>
>   See emerge --help  or man emerge.
>
> >  So I've put
> > >=net-mail/postfix-2.0.13 to /etc/portage/packages.unmask, and it
doesn't
> > help.
>
>   No, it's much more simpler.
>

If you talk about -U option, then it's not good enough. I want my packages
downgraded, if needed, I only want to preserve postfix.


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Michael W. Holdeman]

I have used Gentoo on an IBM TP600 PII 300 for some time.Works well,even KDE 
etc...
Definatly usable, but no demon. The gs sources kernel,with the lowlatency and 
preemption reallyhelps.

I just got an IBM TP 21. PIII850, 32gigHD, 512mgmemory. And is is really fast 
with gentoo. 
I bought this one from second wind pc's in MI. www.secondwindpc's.com


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Re: [gentoo-user] Procmail for several users

[Christopher Fisk]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:

>Now my problem is how to distribute all that mail to the mailboxes of 
>those users. I can use procmail and filter for TO: and drop the mail in 
>his Maildir, and then let sylpheed do the filtering for the subfolders.
>I think that qmail will be to heavy for my system. 

fetchmail will deliver the messages to the right users.

set postmaster "root"
set bouncemail
set properties ""
set daemon 300
poll mail.domain1.net with proto POP3
   user "janedoe" there with password "password" is janedoe here options fetchall 
keep warnings 3600
   user "freddoe" there with password "password" is someoneelse here options 
fetchall keep warnings 3600
   user "johndoe" there with password "password" is johndoe here options fetchall 
warnings 3600
poll mail.domain2.net with proto POP3
   user "johndoe" there with password "password" is johndoe here options fetchall 
warnings 3600



Hope that helps,


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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[daniel]

On July 24, 2003 02:24 pm, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best language to
> use with apache. I don't know both and going to learn one. I know that perl
> can be used "standalone" of php i don't know.

perl is amazing.  you can write cgi-scripts in it for web forms, write an mp3 
player for your car, or, if given enough time, i'm sure some perl-geeks could 
write software for exploratory robots on mars.  perl is pretty damn amazing 
in terms of its expandability with modules, community support and one of my 
favourites: string parsing.  perl is GREAT at pulling down content from 
sites, ripping through it for info and sorting it any way you like.

php is WAY easier to use though.  connecting to a mysql db is practically 
seemless and there's a huge number of built-in functions that are used all 
the time in web development that have to be hand written in perl.

for example, mail() is a php function that sends mail to someone.  this 
capability is available in perl, but requires much more work on your behalf.  
in perl, you have to open a pipe to your mail binary, write to it and then 
close the pipe.

i love perl.  it's the shiz-nit when it comes to writing log-parsers, or 
system administration tools, but for my money, php is just faster and easier 
to use for the web.

IMPORTANT NOTE:

php has some serious failings when it comes to programming.  it's designed for 
sloppy coders, not enforcing namespaces and instead preferring to globalise 
your variables etc.  if you're looking to learn your first language, don't 
let it be php.  it gives you some bad habits that can be harder to shake 
later on.

my $0.02

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Steven Elling]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 15:13, Asgodom Woldu wrote:
> I am in the initial stages of the installation, trying to do 'emerge
> sync'. So, i haven't had a chance to enable socket filtering yet. Is it
> possible to install just from the CD, and enable socket filtering first?
>
> I also tried using static IP, but still have the same problem. I was also
> told to activate eth0 and eth1 using the command 'ifup eth0' and 'ifup
> eth1', but i get the error message 'ifup: command not found'. Any ideas?

"ifconfig eth0 up" and "ifconfig eth1 up" will do the same thing.  If I 
remember correctly ifup (and ifdown) are wrapper scripts for ifconfig used 
on other systems.  ifup and ifdown are not used on Gentoo.

When you set a static IP using "ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1" and "ifconfig eth1 
10.0.1.1" the interfaces should be brought up automatically.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Marshal Newrock]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Asgodom Woldu wrote:

> >Do you have socket filtering enabled in the kernel?  I don't know how or
> >why, but this seems to be required to allow dhcp to work.
>
> I am in the initial stages of the installation, trying to do 'emerge
> sync'. So, i haven't had a chance to enable socket filtering yet. Is it
> possible to install just from the CD, and enable socket filtering first?

That has to be compiled into the kernel, so if it isn't already, you'd
have to compile a new kernel first.  I don't know if it is or not.  I'm
working with a currently installed system rather than trying to install a
new system.

> I also tried using static IP, but still have the same problem. I was
> also told to activate eth0 and eth1 using the command 'ifup eth0' and
> 'ifup eth1', but i get the error message 'ifup: command not found'. Any
> ideas?

'ifup' is a Debian thing.  'ifupdown' is a pair of scripts (ifup and
ifdown) which read /etc/network/interfaces to bring network interfaces up
or down.  The Gentoo way is to put your network information in
/etc/conf.d/net.ethX and use /etc/init.d/net.ethX (where X is the same
number for both) to start and stop the interface.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Steven Elling]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 14:57, Marshal Newrock wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Steven Elling wrote:
> > > I used 'net-setup eth0' and selected the 'Use DHCP to auto-detect my
> > > network settings' option. Then when i enter 'ifconfig' neither eth0
> > > nor eth1 are there. If i enter 'ifconfig eth0' there is no IP address
> > > shown. I even tried using 'dhcpcd eth0' but that doesn't work either.
> >
> > I notice the same problem on my Pentium 133.  I had to set a static IP
> > to get network connectivity up.
>
> Do you have socket filtering enabled in the kernel?  I don't know how or
> why, but this seems to be required to allow dhcp to work.

My problem occurs when booting off the Gentoo 1.4_rc4 CD and going through 
the same procedure.  I don't know if socket filtering is enabled.  I 
haven't looked at the kernel on the Gentoo 1.4_rc4 CD image to see if it is 
enabled.

> I also use pump as a dhcp client.  It works, so I haven't played with any
> others.

You use pump from the install CD or after the system is built?


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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Steven Elling]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 13:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I prefer Perl for several reasons, but the most compelling is the
> Template Toolkit (http://www.tt2.org/).  I simply haven't found anything
> as flexible and powerful for PHP.
>
> Doug Gorley | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm a perl guy as well but haven't used PHP.  I've used perl with Template 
Toolkit for Web based apps.  I like the advantages Template Toolkit offers.

* Code and HTML markup (style, layout, etc.) are completely seperate.  Code 
and markup can be concentrated on seperately.
* Used with the CGI module, Web based apps become easy to create once you 
know how to write code in perl.
* Using the CGI module alone to generate HTML markup can get very ugly not 
to mention create longer application code.
* Can be used for more than HTML/XML content generation.  i.e. Mail Merges 
and form letters to many recipients using a database backend.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Asgodom Woldu]

Marshal Newrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Steven Elling wrote:
>
>> > I used 'net-setup eth0' and selected the 'Use DHCP to auto-detect my
>> > network settings' option. Then when i enter 'ifconfig' neither eth0 nor
>> > eth1 are there. If i enter 'ifconfig eth0' there is no IP address shown.
>> > I even tried using 'dhcpcd eth0' but that doesn't work either.
>>
>> I notice the same problem on my Pentium 133.  I had to set a static IP to
>> get network connectivity up.
>
>Do you have socket filtering enabled in the kernel?  I don't know how or
>why, but this seems to be required to allow dhcp to work.

I am in the initial stages of the installation, trying to do 'emerge sync'. So, i 
haven't had a chance to enable socket filtering yet. Is it possible to install just 
from the CD, and enable socket filtering first? 

I also tried using static IP, but still have the same problem. I was also told to 
activate eth0 and eth1 using the command 'ifup eth0' and 'ifup eth1', but i get the 
error message 'ifup: command not found'. Any ideas?

Thanks for your help,

Az.



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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Nathaniel McCallum]

My p233 took 2 days just to bootstrap :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Procmail for several users

[Stroller]

On 24/7/03 7:52 pm, "Patrick Marquetecken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I'm installing a small server (88mb ram can't be upgraded) that will gather
> mail for 10 persons
> The have mail adresses at "normal" isp's and hotmail.
> For hotmail i'm using gotmail.
> And using fetchmail for gathering the mails from the isp's.

I don't know about procmail - I like maildrop.
The following works for me:

  $ head -40 .fetchmailrc
  defaults
 timeout 60
 protocol pop3

  # Test porpoises only
  #keep
  #fetchall

  mda "/usr/bin/maildrop -d $USER"

  poll pop.myisp.com
user "joe.stroller" there with password wibble,
is "stroller" here;
  $

HTH,

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[gentoo-user] usermod strangeness

[douggorley]

When I execute the following command:

# usermod -G wheel,audio,games,users,slocate,portage,svn -g users doug

My computer just sits there until I Ctrl-C to get my shell back.  I thought this was 
pretty straightforward; am I doing something wrong?

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Stroller]

On 24/7/03 8:40 pm, "Michael Gruenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>...
> Compiling stuff is probably too slow without distcc (KDE took 4-5 days
> if I remember correctly without distcc).

It took 20 days to compile KDE & all it's dependencies with my poor
knackered hard-drive!!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Marshal Newrock]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Steven Elling wrote:

> > I used 'net-setup eth0' and selected the 'Use DHCP to auto-detect my
> > network settings' option. Then when i enter 'ifconfig' neither eth0 nor
> > eth1 are there. If i enter 'ifconfig eth0' there is no IP address shown.
> > I even tried using 'dhcpcd eth0' but that doesn't work either.
>
> I notice the same problem on my Pentium 133.  I had to set a static IP to
> get network connectivity up.

Do you have socket filtering enabled in the kernel?  I don't know how or
why, but this seems to be required to allow dhcp to work.

I also use pump as a dhcp client.  It works, so I haven't played with any
others.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Mark Fisher]

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On Thursday 24 July 2003 6:41 pm, Alan wrote:

> I'm sure some of my facts about PHP are wrong or outdated, and I've
> missed tonnes of pros and cons on both sides, but there you go :)  I
> think it might come down to if you're doing this for just web, or want
> to learn something that extends beyond and can be used for scripting and
> sysadminning.

tbh I think it was a pretty fair and honest list.  Personally, im not a 
programmer by any means, tho slowly learning the ropes through trial and 
error :P

I chose PHP because when you pickup a PHP book, to the non-porgrammer its 
still quite easy to understand and quite easy to do the simple things.  As 
another poster said, php.net is a fantastic site and I find it much easier 
than, say, the python site, to find the information/reference your looking 
for.

When I picked up a perl book, I found it wasnt quite as straight forward.  Ppl 
have said that perl is a very unreadable language, whereby without script 
comments, its very hard to see whats happening.  Again, as a non-programmer, 
I found python a bit more straight forward to pick up.

 I learn by reading websites, books and other ppl's scripts 
to find out how things are put together, so readability is obviously an 
important part towards my language choices.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

[Steven Elling]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 10:55, Asgodom Woldu wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I am trying to install Gentoo (1.4_rc4) on an old IBM Aptiva (Pentium MMX
> 200, with ~ 192 MB of memory), where this machine will be turned into a
> firewall (planning on using Netfilter), and will be used in a Lab at a
> university. Gentoo does detect eth0 and eth1, but when i try to configure
> the network with DHCP, nothing works.
>
> I used 'net-setup eth0' and selected the 'Use DHCP to auto-detect my
> network settings' option. Then when i enter 'ifconfig' neither eth0 nor
> eth1 are there. If i enter 'ifconfig eth0' there is no IP address shown.
> I even tried using 'dhcpcd eth0' but that doesn't work either.

I notice the same problem on my Pentium 133.  I had to set a static IP to 
get network connectivity up.


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Paul K. Dickson]

The problem with any low-end old laptop is it's graphics chipset is
going to have very little memory available to it.  I had a PII-450 and
it's video had to be set to 15bit color or it jerked all over the
place.  I can't imagine anything less.  Not to mention that Mozilla
isn't exactly light weight. 

Paul


On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 13:11, Alex wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?
> 
> The only graphical program I intend to run is Mozilla, otherwise I will
> use text based programs. I guess I just want a dumb terminal that can do
> X.
> 
> I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
> of a computer can be useful?
> 
> Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other
> browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages
> correctly.
> 
> What does X need to run smoothly, say as a dumb terminal?
> 
> I was also hoping it could last more than 3 hours on battery without
> weighing a ton (and be able to use a wireless network card).
> 
> I suppose this is too much...
> 
> -Alex
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Simple question

[Steven Elling]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 04:02, Arnold Krille wrote:
> On Thursday 24 July 2003 07:57, Steven Elling wrote:
> > On Thursday 24 July 2003 00:36, Raimundo Bilbao wrote:
> > > I have a simple question: if I plan to "gentooize" ;-D several PCs
> > > (all of them have the similararchitecure , x86 ), can i mount the
> > > portage (/usr/portage) from a central server via NFS (or something
> > > like this) ?
> >
> > I mount /usr/portage from a central server via NFS and it works great.
>
> Be aware that you have to set no_root_sqash on the nfs export for this
> dir since most time you will be root while emerging...


Your right Arnold no_root_sqash is needed with a standard Gentoo setup.

However, I prefer doing the following:

* Make sure /usr/portage is owned by portage:portage on the NFS server and 
permissions are set properly.  I use 0755.
* Add the userpriv and usersandbox options to FEATURES in /etc/make.conf on 
the NFS clients.
* Export /usr/portage using the options sync and root_squash.


I consider it more secure with less impact if an ebuild screws up the 
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[gentoo-user] make modules-update do this...

[Tom Wesley]

Hi all,

I am trying to get my Tiger MP S2460 working with lm_sensors and have found 
the correct information to put into /etc/modules.conf, but this file gets 
replaced whenever I run modules-update.

Does anyone know how I can get it to complete the instructions in the attached 
file?

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##
#Sensors configuration file used by 'libsensors' for Tyan S2462  #
##
#  To your /etc/modules.conf file, add the lines:#
# alias char-major-89 i2c-dev#
# options w83781d force_w83782d=0,0x2d force_subclients=0,0x2d,0x48,0x49 
force_w83627hf=0,0x2c force_subclients=0,0x2c,0x4a,0x4b init=0  #
##
#  To your /etc/rc.xxx files, add the lines: #
# modprobe i2c-amd756#
# modprobe w83781d   #
# modprobe eeprom#
# sensors -s #
##
#  Then copy this file to /etc/sensors.conf  #
##
# Edited by: kevin schlichter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05.16.03 #
#   UPDATE: 06.18.03 => monitor fan3 on 627hf, set vrm 9.0, renamed some #
#   fan labels, add compute lines for fans, initialize fan_div since the #
#   BIOS doesn't.  You may also want to check tickets 861 & 867 on the   #
#   lm_sensors website for code to initialize the 672hf on the i2c   #
#   correctly.  I haven't checked it, so if you die from running it, #
#   don't blame me.  You can also enter the BIOS, view the hardware  #
#   monitoring, and exit WITHOUT changes to accomplish the same goal.#
#  Thanks to Steffen Grunewald for the suggestions.  #
##
##

chip "w83782d-*" 

ignore in0 
ignore in1
ignore in5
ignore in7
ignore vid

label in2 "AGP V"
label in3 " +5 V"
label in4 "DDR V"
label in6 "3 VSB"
label in8 "Bat V"

label fan1 "CPU1 Fan"
label fan2 "CPU2 Fan"
label fan3 "chs1 Fan"

label temp1 "VRM2 Temp"
label temp2 "CPU1 Temp"
label temp3 "CPU2 Temp"

compute in3 ((6.8/10)+1)*@ ,  @/((6.8/10)+1)

# set limits to  5% for the critical voltages
# set limits to 10% for the non-critical voltages
# set limits to 20% for the battery voltage

set in2_min 3.3 * 0.95
set in2_max 3.3 * 1.05
set in3_min 5.0 * 0.95
set in3_max 5.0 * 1.05
set in6_max 3.0 * 1.05
set in6_min 3.0 * 0.95
set in8_min 3.3 * 0.80
set in8_max 3.3 * 1.20

# thermal sensor types (do not adjust)
set sensor1 2
set sensor2 2
set sensor3 2

# examples for temperature limits
#set temp1_over 40  
#set temp1_hyst 60  
#set temp2_over 70  
#set temp2_hyst 80  
#set temp3_over 70  
#set temp3_hyst 80  

set beep_enable 0

# CPU VRM Spec.
set vrm 9.0

# Fan divisors.  Some fans (.18A) may need this to be set to 4
set fan1_div 2
set fan2_div 2
set fan3_div 2

chip "w83627hf-*"

ignore in3
ignore in6
ignore in7
ignore in8
ignore vid

label in0 "VCore1"
label in1 "VCore2"
label in2 "+3.3 V"
label in4 " +12 V"
label in5 " -12 V"

label temp1 "VRM1 Temp"
label temp2 "AGP Temp"
label temp3 "DDR Temp"

label fan1 "chs2 Fan"
label fan2 "chs5 Fan"
label fan3 "chs6 Fan"

compute in4 ((3.8/1)+1)*@ , @/((3.8/1)+1)
compute in5 (5.14*@)-14.91 , (@+14.91)/5.14
compute fan1 @*2 , @/2
compute fan2 @*2 , @/2
compute fan3 @*2 , @/2

# set limits to  5% for the critical voltages
# set limits to 10% for the non-critical voltages
# set limits to 20% for the battery voltage

set in0_min vid*0.95
set in0_max vid*1.05
set in1_min vid*0.95
set in1_max vid*1.05
set in2_min 3.3*0.95
set in2_max 3.3*1.05
set in4_max 12 * 0.90
set in4_min 12 * 1.10
set in5_max -12 * 0.90
set in5_min -12 * 1.10

# thermal sensor types (do not adjust)
set sensor1 2
set sensor2 2
set sensor3 2

# examples for temperature limits
#set temp1_over 40
#set temp1_hyst 37
#set temp2_over 52
#set temp2_hyst 47
#set temp3_over 52
#set temp3_hyst 47

set beep_enable 0

# CPU VRM Spec.
set vrm 9.0

# Fan divisors.  Some fans (.18A) may need this to be set to 4
set fan1_div 2
set fan2_div 2
set fan3_div 2


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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

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| Hi,
|
| I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best
language to use with apache. I don't know both and going to learn one.
| I know that perl can be used "standalone" of php i don't know.
|
| All your thoughts are welcom.
|
| Patrick
|
Both can be used standalone, php comes with a interperator as well as
the mod_php for apache (emerge php mod_php).
Which is better really depends on what you're trying to do.  For quick
sysadmin tasks and that kind of thing perl all the way.
On hte other hand if you're going for dynamic DB driven webcontent php
would be the way to go.
Either can technically do both jobs but each one is better suited for
doing just one.  So it really depends on what you're planning to do, if
you just want to learn one, just to have something to know I would
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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

[Nathaniel McCallum]

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>> If updating
>> baselayout is supposed to fix the bug, just wondering why it didnnn't
>work
>> for me. Any suggestions as to what else I might do. Thanks for anything.
>
>Check date on /etc/init.d/bootmisc. Perhaps you forget to update some
>files 
>after upgrading?

I have the same problem.  I have the newest baselayout and all my files
are updated.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Procmail for several users

[Florian Huber]

Hello Patrick,

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:52:39 +0200
Patrick Marquetecken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Now my problem is how to distribute all that mail to the mailboxes
> of those users. I can use procmail and filter for TO: and drop the
> mail in his Maildir, and then let sylpheed do the filtering for the
> subfolders.

Give "getmail" a try. I does not need any other programm for the
maildelivery and you can deliver different remote mailboxes
(pop,imap,...) to different local mailboxes (mbox or maildir).

HTH
Florian Huber

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

[Norberto BENSA]

Michael Rasile wrote:
> If updating
> baselayout is supposed to fix the bug, just wondering why it didnnn't work
> for me. Any suggestions as to what else I might do. Thanks for anything.

Check date on /etc/init.d/bootmisc. Perhaps you forget to update some files 
after upgrading?

Norberto


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[Patrick Marquetecken]

Hi,

I'm installing a small server (88mb ram can't be upgraded) that will gather mail for 
10 persons. It will be for Gentoo & Windows users. The mail client will be Sylpheed 
for both clients.
The have mail adresses at "normal" isp's and hotmail. 
For hotmail i'm using gotmail.
And using fetchmail for gathering the mails from the isp's.

Now my problem is how to distribute all that mail to the mailboxes of those users. I 
can use procmail and filter for TO: and drop the mail in his Maildir, and then let 
sylpheed do the filtering for the subfolders.
I think that qmail will be to heavy for my system. 

Like always all your idee's are more than welcom.

Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] unresolved symbol cmpxchg in radeon-module

[Robert Young]

I am not at home right now but I believe my kernel was compiled for a 386. I
changed it to a Celeron (Coppermine) , recompiled and according the the log
for X it seems that DRI is now working.

angus proc # cat config | grep CMPX
CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y

if CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=n then I think i would have a problem.

CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG is set to N if you select a 386 and Y if you select any
thing else.

But maybe I am wrong I will only know for sure when I get home.

Rob



http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg07152.html

Eric Marchionni wrote:

> i had athlon-xp as far as i remember. actually that's the
> processor i have.
> but it didn't work for me. when i changed it to i386 and
> recompiled the kernel, radeon module just worked fine (after a
> rebuild of course)!
> but befor that i tried several different values like athlon,
> athlon-xp and so on. do that as well! it must have something to
> do with that!!
>
> Robert Young wrote:
> > Don't you mean change it from i386 to what you have?
> >
> > Eric Marchionni wrote:
> >
> >
> >>yeah. in the kernel config use processor type i386.
> >>let me know if it worked.
> >>
> >>-eric
> >>
> >>Robert Young wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Did you ever resulve this I am having the same problem with my card as
> >>>well?
> >>>
> >>>Eric Marchionni wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> hi
> 
> after i recompiled my (new) kernel with a new config i don't have
> 3d-acceleration support anymore.
> glxgears shows about 200 fps. befor i had 2000 fps!
> the problem is i can't load the radeon module from the
> dri-project anymore.
> 
> i have done a "emerge xfree-drm" after the kernel-compilation.
> but a "modprobe radeon" shows:
> 
> /lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o:
> unresolved symbol cmpxchg
> /lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o:
> insmod
> /lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o failed
> /lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o:
> insmod radeon failed
> 
> 
> what is that about "unresolved symbol cmpxchg"? because while
> rebuilding the xfree-drm this error occured:
> 
> 
> >>>Source unpacked.
> 
>  * Building DRM...
> gcc -O2 -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align
> -Wstrict-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -D__KERNEL__
> -DMODULE -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing
> -DCONFIG_DRM_SIS -DMODVERSIONS -include
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h -DEXPORT_SYMTAB
> -I/usr/src/linux/include -c radeon_drv.c -o radeon_drv.o
> In file included from radeon_drv.c:48:
> drm_lock.h: In function `radeon_lock_take':
> drm_lock.h:57: warning: implicit declaration of function `cmpxchg'
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Michael Gruenberger]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 18:27, Stroller wrote:
> On 24/7/03 6:11 pm, "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?
> >... 
> > I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
> > of a computer can be useful?
> > 
> > Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other
> > browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages
> > correctly.
> 
> I've installed Gentoo on a PII 400 Vaio C1. Those are the ones with the 480
> x 1140 (?) widescreens, and they're available 2nd hand on eBay for c £400.
> 
> That doesn't answer all your concerns, but it IS a lovely _light_ lappy -
> it'll just about fit in an inside jacket pocket. With a very little hacking,
> it is possible to use the whole width of the screen in framebuffer mode.
> TBH, it is a little too short, but it is quite usable.
> 
> The C1 is adequately fast in the console even with a knackered hard-drive -
> I'll be interested to see how it does in KDE once I've gotten around to
> replacing that. My battery is knackered also, 8-[, but I get an hour out of
> it.
> 
> Stroller.
> 
> 
I've got the same machine (with 128 MB RAM) and KDE is quite usable. It
takes about 1min to start up, Firebird and Evolution are also usable
once they have started up.

Even the camera and the jog-dial work.

You can also set up the screen (under X) to do 1186x640 (?) so you have
the same (virtual)  screen size as with a 'normal' laptop.
(let me know if you need a sample XF86config)

Compiling stuff is probably too slow without distcc (KDE took 4-5 days
if I remember correctly without distcc).

So if you are looking for a light laptop... they don't come much lighter
(~1kg)! There are also newer models for about £ 1500 with more RAM and
faster processors...

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Openoffice-bin downgrade? (1.1_beta-r1 ->1.0.3.1)

[Spundun Bhatt]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 11:22, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 02:21, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> > After a sync portage wishes to following downgrade.
> > [ebuildUD] app-office/openoffice-bin-1.0.3.1 [1.1_beta-r1] -kde -gnome
> > 
> > Should this be happening?  Are we making a permanent move from 1.1 to 1.0 branch 
> > then?
> It doesnt make sense to me either,
Its due to (hopefully)old packages.mask entry

# <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (19 Jun 2003)
# It is a beta version
>=app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1_beta2

I have filed a bug http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25190
HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Alan]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 08:24:58PM +0200, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best language to use with 
> apache. I don't know both and going to learn one.
> I know that perl can be used "standalone" of php i don't know. 
> 
> All your thoughts are welcom. 

Disclaimer: I'm a perl guy, but I'll try to be as fair as possible.

Perl - Pros
 - is a more flexible language because it can be used standalone, and
   is used for far more things that just webstuff. (though I think that
   there is a php interpreter now)
 - lots of different perl-like embedded languages exist (embperl, mason,
   etc)
 - CPAN has a perl module written for just about any task you could
   imagine (check out Acme::pr0n)

Perl - Cons
 - things like mod_perl aren't all that easy to set up for non-techies
 - not "designed" for the web per-se, but see above about embedded
   languages
 - has some cool OO and data structure hacks, though I know php5 has
   lots of new OO stuff, not sure how PHP deals with things like
   references and hashes though.

PHP - Pros
 - designed for the web
 - easy to set up, no need to set up CGI directories
 - nice built in capabilities for DB connectivity, etc
 - php.net is a very useful page
 - has lots of nifty things like source() (produces a syntax highlighed
   version of the source of the page) and phpinfo()

PHP - Cons
 - not really useful for non-webstuff like system admin, shell
   scripting, etc
 - is succepitable to security problems, not due so much to the language
   so much (any language can be insecure) but as to because people who
   aren't really programmers write it, they aren't as experienced at not
   allowing huge gaping security holes (see the many many many problems
   in something like phpnuke for details on this).  

I'm sure some of my facts about PHP are wrong or outdated, and I've
missed tonnes of pros and cons on both sides, but there you go :)  I
think it might come down to if you're doing this for just web, or want
to learn something that extends beyond and can be used for scripting and
sysadminning.

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Larry Meadors]

Java. ;-)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>
Hi,

I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best language
to use with apache. I don't know both and going to learn one.
I know that perl can be used "standalone" of php i don't know. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] No usb mouse support, after 12 re-compiles. Missing modules? USB support proper also fails...

[Norberto BENSA]

Cox HSI Mail wrote:
>  still can't get usb mouse support working
>  It seems like I get a different system with each new install using

Can you PLEASE stop replying a message and starting a new thread? 

Now for your problem. Which kernel? Gentoo, Vanilla, CK? Which version?

> IRC channel is not at all helpful this I'm posting here.

Give more info and people will be able to help you out. Saying "it doesn't 
work" is not enough.

> # USB support
> #
> CONFIG_USB=y
> # CONFIG_USB_DEBUG is not set
> # CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS is not set
> # CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH is not set
> # CONFIG_USB_LONG_TIMEOUT is not set
> # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD is not set
> CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=y
> # CONFIG_USB_OHCI is not set
>
> CONFIG_USB_HID=y
> CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y
> # CONFIG_USB_HIDDEV is not set

.config:
#
# USB support
#
CONFIG_USB=m
CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=y
CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH=y
CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT=m
CONFIG_USB_HID=m
CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y
CONFIG_USB_HIDDEV=y
CONFIG_USB_KBD=m
CONFIG_USB_MOUSE=m

modules.autoload:
uhci
usbmouse
mousedev

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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/log/messages absent

[Norberto BENSA]

We don't know what Brian Richardson wrote 'cos he sent an encrypted e-mail a 
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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

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On Thursday 24 July 2003 20:24, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best
> language to use with apache. I don't know both and going to learn one.
> I know that perl can be used "standalone" of php i don't know.
>
> All your thoughts are welcom.

Did you consider using www.google.com or groups.google.com to see what
thoughts/opinions/experiences concerning this issue other people have 
shared already?

Karl-Heinz
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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[douggorley]

I prefer Perl for several reasons, but the most compelling is the Template Toolkit 
(http://www.tt2.org/).  I simply haven't found anything as flexible and powerful for 
PHP.

Doug Gorley | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi,

I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best language to use with 
apache. I don't know both and going to learn one.
I know that perl can be used "standalone" of php i don't know. 

All your thoughts are welcom. 

Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Stroller]

On 24/7/03 6:11 pm, "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?
>... 
> I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
> of a computer can be useful?
> 
> Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other
> browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages
> correctly.

I've installed Gentoo on a PII 400 Vaio C1. Those are the ones with the 480
x 1140 (?) widescreens, and they're available 2nd hand on eBay for c £400.

That doesn't answer all your concerns, but it IS a lovely _light_ lappy -
it'll just about fit in an inside jacket pocket. With a very little hacking,
it is possible to use the whole width of the screen in framebuffer mode.
TBH, it is a little too short, but it is quite usable.

The C1 is adequately fast in the console even with a knackered hard-drive -
I'll be interested to see how it does in KDE once I've gotten around to
replacing that. My battery is knackered also, 8-[, but I get an hour out of
it.

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[gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

[Patrick Marquetecken]

Hi,

I don't want to start a flame, but i'm wondering whats the best language to use with 
apache. I don't know both and going to learn one.
I know that perl can be used "standalone" of php i don't know. 

All your thoughts are welcom. 

Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Openoffice-bin downgrade? (1.1_beta-r1 ->1.0.3.1)

[Spundun Bhatt]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 02:21, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> After a sync portage wishes to following downgrade.
> [ebuildUD] app-office/openoffice-bin-1.0.3.1 [1.1_beta-r1] -kde -gnome
> 
> Should this be happening?  Are we making a permanent move from 1.1 to 1.0 branch 
> then?
It doesnt make sense to me either,
esp. since I can see both openoffice-bin-1.1_beta2-r1.ebuild and
openoffice-bin-1.1_rc1.ebuild  in my portage tree and both with KEYWORD
~x86 on it. I dont understand why my system is not picking that up. (I
do have ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86 ~x86" in my emerge info output)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Testing KEYWORDS masked packages

[Christopher Egner]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 13:00, Tom Knight-Markiegi wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I've downloaded some packages masked with the ~x86 KEYWORDS and was
> wondering what the process is for testing these packages so that they can
> become unmasked for other users. Is there a set procedure or do I just test
> away and post my results somewhere?
IIRC, packages are marked stable after a month of no bug reports, so
just go ahead and use it like normal, any problems, report them.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Testing KEYWORDS masked packages

[Alan]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 07:00:13PM +0100, Tom Knight-Markiegi wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I've downloaded some packages masked with the ~x86 KEYWORDS and was
> wondering what the process is for testing these packages so that they can
> become unmasked for other users. Is there a set procedure or do I just test
> away and post my results somewhere?

Not sure if there is a real procedure in place, but install and then post 
your results on stable.gentoo.org (and your bugs on bugs.gentoo.org).  I
think that this whole procedure could use some solidification from the
dev team, though the upcoming 1.4 release might be slowing things down,
at least the transition from ~ to non-~

alan
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[gentoo-user] Testing KEYWORDS masked packages

[Tom Knight-Markiegi]

Hi

I've downloaded some packages masked with the ~x86 KEYWORDS and was
wondering what the process is for testing these packages so that they can
become unmasked for other users. Is there a set procedure or do I just test
away and post my results somewhere?

Cheers

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RE: [gentoo-user] 802.11 cards

[Travis Roy]

> I strongly suspect the D-Link DWL-650+ is being talked about here. It's
> not a true 802.11g card as far as I know, but it does have 22Mbps
> speeds.

Please keep in mind that these D-Link products only get 22Mbps with other
D-Link products.. I'm sure most of you knew that, but better safe then sorry
:) and it't not even close to an 802.11g card, it's an 802.11b card with
extra special d-link stuff to make it get to 22Mbps.


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Re: [gentoo-user] portage question

[Yannick Le Saint]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 08:11, Leonid Podolny wrote:
> Hi,
> I know this question was asked here at least dozen of times, but I still
> have the following problem. I have postfix-2.0.13-r1 installed, and every
> emerge -u world is trying to downgrade it to version 2.0.11.

  See emerge --help  or man emerge.

>  So I've put
> >=net-mail/postfix-2.0.13 to /etc/portage/packages.unmask, and it doesn't
> help.

  No, it's much more simpler.

> The strange thing is that there was no /etc/portage directory on my
> machine, so I created it.
>  Regards, L.
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Re: [gentoo-user] 802.11 cards

[Robin H . Johnson]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 06:04:06PM +0200, Florian Huber wrote:
> On 24 Jul 2003 13:10:02 +0200
> Ian Delahorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which 802.11{b,g} PCI cards work well with (gentoo) Linux? More
> > specifically, which D-Link or NetGear cards work well?
> Does anybody know if there is support for _any_ 802.11g card?
I strongly suspect the D-Link DWL-650+ is being talked about here. It's
not a true 802.11g card as far as I know, but it does have 22Mbps
speeds.

Driver here:
http://acx100.sf.net/

READ the forums there as to how to get it to work. The driver is still 
experimental (0.01c didn't work for me, but 0.01d does).

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Re: [gentoo-user] GTK downgrade in emerge world

[brett holcomb]

Yes, I agree.  It would be nice to have an indication that 
it is using a different slot (maybe an S in there). 
Unless you know about slots it's hard to tell what's 
happening.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:36:41 + (UTC)
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:18:30 -0400, brett holcomb 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It means 2.x is installed and it want's to install 
(installing another version when one is installed is 
evidently considered an upgrade) the other version.
I understand what it means in this instance, what I'm 
saying is that
it's misleading because (as was pointed out earlier), 
they're really
treated by portage as distinct packages.

In this case, the lack of an "R" may tip someone off, but 
that is not
sufficient in all cases.  In the reverse situation 
(someone has
gtk-1.x.y installed, and they are going to emerge 
gtk-2.x.y), there is
nothing to inform the user whether the bracketed version, 
[1.x.y]
would be deinstalled as a result of the emerge, because 
the "R" flag
would not apply either way.

I think that it would be clearer if a different notation 
were chosen
for "highest version installed of a different slot", and 
the bracketed
form were kept for "installed version of the same slot".

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Re: [gentoo-user] GTK downgrade in emerge world

[list-gentoo-user]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:18:30 -0400, brett holcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It means 2.x is installed and it want's to install 
>(installing another version when one is installed is 
>evidently considered an upgrade) the other version.

I understand what it means in this instance, what I'm saying is that
it's misleading because (as was pointed out earlier), they're really
treated by portage as distinct packages.

In this case, the lack of an "R" may tip someone off, but that is not
sufficient in all cases.  In the reverse situation (someone has
gtk-1.x.y installed, and they are going to emerge gtk-2.x.y), there is
nothing to inform the user whether the bracketed version, [1.x.y]
would be deinstalled as a result of the emerge, because the "R" flag
would not apply either way.

I think that it would be clearer if a different notation were chosen
for "highest version installed of a different slot", and the bracketed
form were kept for "installed version of the same slot".

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Re: [gentoo-user] GTK downgrade in emerge world

[brett holcomb]

It means 2.x is installed and it want's to install 
(installing another version when one is installed is 
evidently considered an upgrade) the other version.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:41:05 + (UTC)
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:35:56 -0700, Andrew Farmer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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emerge -upv world
I get this in the resultant list:
[ebuildU ] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r10 [2.2.1] +nls
Since I'm not looking to downgrade GTK from 2.2.1 to 
1.2.10, I can never
just do an emerge -u world.
GTK2.x and GTK1.x are really completely different 
libraries. You'll need
both. (Installing GTK1.2.10 won't uninstall 2.2.1, don't 
worry.)
Then that [2.2.1] after gtk+-1.2.10-r10 is quite 
misleading!  It also
confused me when I came upon it recently.

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Håvard Wall]

Alex wrote:
Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?

The only graphical program I intend to run is Mozilla, otherwise I will
use text based programs. I guess I just want a dumb terminal that can do
X.
I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
of a computer can be useful?
I use my borrowed laptop only in text-mode and Mozilla, xterm and emacs 
as the only gui-programs. The laptop got 128MB RAM and an AMD K6-2 
450MHz processor. It runs smootly with fvwm as a window manager. 
However, Mozilla takes a few seconds to start.

But I recommend using distcc and some extra computers during installation!

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Jayson Garrell]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 10:11, Alex wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?
> 
> The only graphical program I intend to run is Mozilla, otherwise I will
> use text based programs. I guess I just want a dumb terminal that can do
> X.
> 
> I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
> of a computer can be useful?
> 
> Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other
> browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages
> correctly.
> 
> What does X need to run smoothly, say as a dumb terminal?
> 
> I was also hoping it could last more than 3 hours on battery without
> weighing a ton (and be able to use a wireless network card).
> 
> I suppose this is too much...
> 

I have a Toshiba Satellite Pro6100 and it weighs in at 6.7+ lbs. It is
more then what you were asking about but that might give you some ideas,
since this is a fairly new laptop.

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Re: [gentoo-user] unresolved symbol cmpxchg in radeon-module

[Eric Marchionni]

i had athlon-xp as far as i remember. actually that's the 
processor i have.
but it didn't work for me. when i changed it to i386 and 
recompiled the kernel, radeon module just worked fine (after a 
rebuild of course)!
but befor that i tried several different values like athlon, 
athlon-xp and so on. do that as well! it must have something to 
do with that!!

Robert Young wrote:
Don't you mean change it from i386 to what you have?

Eric Marchionni wrote:


yeah. in the kernel config use processor type i386.
let me know if it worked.
-eric

Robert Young wrote:


Did you ever resulve this I am having the same problem with my card as
well?
Eric Marchionni wrote:



hi

after i recompiled my (new) kernel with a new config i don't have
3d-acceleration support anymore.
glxgears shows about 200 fps. befor i had 2000 fps!
the problem is i can't load the radeon module from the
dri-project anymore.
i have done a "emerge xfree-drm" after the kernel-compilation.
but a "modprobe radeon" shows:

/lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o:
unresolved symbol cmpxchg
/lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o:
insmod
/lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o failed
/lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r5/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.o:
insmod radeon failed

what is that about "unresolved symbol cmpxchg"? because while
rebuilding the xfree-drm this error occured:

Source unpacked.
* Building DRM...
gcc -O2 -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -D__KERNEL__
-DMODULE -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing
-DCONFIG_DRM_SIS -DMODVERSIONS -include
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h -DEXPORT_SYMTAB
-I/usr/src/linux/include -c radeon_drv.c -o radeon_drv.o
In file included from radeon_drv.c:48:
drm_lock.h: In function `radeon_lock_take':
drm_lock.h:57: warning: implicit declaration of function `cmpxchg'

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Re: [gentoo-user] GTK downgrade in emerge world

[brett holcomb]

GTK 1 is in a different slot probably.  Check the ebuild 
for SLOT=.  They should coexist.

On 24 Jul 2003 12:34:15 -0400
 Tom Caudron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Everytime I do an:

emerge -upv world

I get this in the resultant list:

[ebuildU ] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r10 [2.2.1] +nls

Since I'm not looking to downgrade GTK from 2.2.1 to 
1.2.10, I can never
just do an emerge -u world.

A couple of questions about this:

1) Why does it want to do this and why is it not showing 
up as a
downgrade (eg, "[ebuildUD]")?

2) How do I stop it from doing this so I can do a full 
emerge -u world
without fretting that it's gonna drop gtk2.

Am I just reading this output wrong?

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[gentoo-user] OT: Light Linux Laptop?

[Alex]

Does anyone know of a good laptop to run linux on (preferably gentoo)?

The only graphical program I intend to run is Mozilla, otherwise I will
use text based programs. I guess I just want a dumb terminal that can do
X.

I was wondering, since gentoo is a source-based distrobution, how *slow*
of a computer can be useful?

Would mozilla run well on a Pentium II-266 Mhz? I realize there are other
browsers like links & lynx, but they don't seem to render most pages
correctly.

What does X need to run smoothly, say as a dumb terminal?

I was also hoping it could last more than 3 hours on battery without
weighing a ton (and be able to use a wireless network card).

I suppose this is too much...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

[Michael Rasile]

On Thu Jul 24, 2003 at 12:39:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> Kevin Hayes wrote:
> >Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
> >the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
> >xargs: error message,
> >
> > * Configuring kernel parameters...  [ ok ]
> >* Cleaning /var/lock, /var/run...
> >xargs: environment is too large for exec[ ok ]
> >* Cleaning /tmp directory...[ ok ]
> >
> >Using 2.4.20, which I also use to boot Slackware and Debian, on other
> >partitions without the message, curious.
> >
> >There apparently was a kernel patch for this in the 2.3 kernel.
> >
> >When I first log in on tty1, there are also a lot of modprobe messages
> >related to modules which i neither have or want.
> >
> >tia.
> >
> 
> 
> Update baselayout.  The version 1.8.6.9 of baselayout fixes this error 
> and many other ones too.
> 
Greetings!
Just for the record, I was having the same xargs error message and I
upgraded to baselayout 1.8.6.9 and I still get the message. It's not causing
any serious problems, just annonying to see it. If updating baselayout is
supposed to fix the bug, just wondering why it didnnn't work for me. Any
suggestions as to what else I might do. Thanks for anything.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with blocked ebuilds

[Marius Mauch]

On 07/24/03  Ben Ricker wrote:

> I forgot to mention that I had tried that and perl will not even
> update. It fails with the same error.
> 
> Ben Ricker
> 
> On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 11:12, Ian Truelsen wrote:
> > On 24 Jul 2003 10:38:18 -0500
> > Ben Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > [blocks B]  > > dev-lang/perl-5.8.0-r12)[blocks B]  > > (from pkg dev-lang/perl-5.8.0-r12)[ebuildU ]
> > > dev-lang/perl-5.8.0-r12 [5.8.0-r11]
> > 
> > You need to update perl first, then you can update ExtUtils and
> > File-Spec. After that, all should be well with updating mozilla.

There are a ton of threads for that in the forums.

Marius

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Re: [gentoo-user] GTK downgrade in emerge world

[list-gentoo-user]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:35:56 -0700, Andrew Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>--AqsLC8rIMeq19msA
>> emerge -upv world
>> I get this in the resultant list:
>> [ebuildU ] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r10 [2.2.1] +nls
>> Since I'm not looking to downgrade GTK from 2.2.1 to 1.2.10, I can never
>> just do an emerge -u world.
>
>GTK2.x and GTK1.x are really completely different libraries. You'll need
>both. (Installing GTK1.2.10 won't uninstall 2.2.1, don't worry.)

Then that [2.2.1] after gtk+-1.2.10-r10 is quite misleading!  It also
confused me when I came upon it recently.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GTK downgrade in emerge world

[donnie berkholz]

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On Thursday 24 July 2003 11:34, Tom Caudron wrote:
> Everytime I do an:
>
> emerge -upv world
>
> I get this in the resultant list:
>
> [ebuildU ] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r10 [2.2.1] +nls
>
> Since I'm not looking to downgrade GTK from 2.2.1 to 1.2.10, I can never
> just do an emerge -u world.
>
> A couple of questions about this:
>
> 1) Why does it want to do this and why is it not showing up as a
> downgrade (eg, "[ebuildUD]")?
>
> 2) How do I stop it from doing this so I can do a full emerge -u world
> without fretting that it's gonna drop gtk2.
>
> Am I just reading this output wrong?

Yeah, in fact. There's this thing called SLOTs that allows two versions of the 
same package to be installed simultaneously if their SLOT is different. gtk+ 
is one of those cases.

$ grep SLOT /usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/*.ebuild
/usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-1.2.10-r10.ebuild:SLOT="1"
/usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-1.2.10-r9.ebuild:SLOT="1"
/usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-2.2.1-r1.ebuild:SLOT="2"
/usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-2.2.1.ebuild:SLOT="2"
/usr/portage/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-2.2.2-r1.ebuild:SLOT="2"
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RE: [gentoo-user] GTK downgrade in emerge world

[Rex Young]

>Everytime I do an:
>
>emerge -upv world
>
>I get this in the resultant list:
>
>[ebuildU ] x11-libs/gtk+-1.2.10-r10 [2.2.1] +nls
>
>Since I'm not looking to downgrade GTK from 2.2.1 to 1.2.10, I 
>can never
>just do an emerge -u world.
>
>A couple of questions about this:
>
>1) Why does it want to do this and why is it not showing up as a
>downgrade (eg, "[ebuildUD]")?
>
>2) How do I stop it from doing this so I can do a full emerge -u world
>without fretting that it's gonna drop gtk2.

slots.  Both will reside on your system happily.

-rex

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