date:20030725

Thanks Andrew.

Regards
PRabhat
Andrew Gaffney wrote:

Prabhat Gupta wrote:

You should set:

MAKEOPTS="-j2"
DISTCC_HOSTS="fastmachine/2"
FEATURES="ccache distcc"
where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The 
'/2' means it can accept 2 jobs at once. 


Should I install ccache also? Which one should I install first ccache 
or distcc?


It shouldn't really matter which order you install them in.

What set will be required to use ccache?


Nothing more should be required that what is already above.

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Prabhat Gupta wrote:
You should set:

MAKEOPTS="-j2"
DISTCC_HOSTS="fastmachine/2"
FEATURES="ccache distcc"
where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The '/2' 
means it can accept 2 jobs at once. 


Should I install ccache also? Which one should I install first ccache or 
distcc?
It shouldn't really matter which order you install them in.

What set will be required to use ccache?
Nothing more should be required that what is already above.

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[/SINP]


You should set:

MAKEOPTS="-j2"
DISTCC_HOSTS="fastmachine/2"
FEATURES="ccache distcc"
where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The '/2' 
means it can accept 2 jobs at once. 
Should I install ccache also? Which one should I install first ccache or 
distcc?

What set will be required to use ccache?

Best regards
PRabhat


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Re: [gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1 (solved)

William Hubbs wrote:
Hi all,

first, thanks to Andrew and Rich for your suggestions.

I got home a few minutes ago, and watched the boot sequence again.

I noticed that when eth0 was coming up (that is the interface that is connected to the isp), it was taking unusually long, then dhcpcd was failing.  However, eth1 was coming up the way it was supposed to.

I recompiled the tulip driver as a module, then, just for grins, I  switched the physical connections on the pc.  This solved the problem.

In other words, the nic that the 2.4 series kernel called eth0 is now eth1 under 2.6 and vice versa.  Definitely strange.  I'm not sure what would cause that, but my problem appears to be solved. :-)
That's odd that it would detect them in a different order on the same 
hardware between different kernel versions. Anyway, its good to see you 
got your problem solved.

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[gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1 (solved)

Hi all,

first, thanks to Andrew and Rich for your suggestions.

I got home a few minutes ago, and watched the boot sequence again.

I noticed that when eth0 was coming up (that is the interface that is connected to the 
isp), it was taking unusually long, then dhcpcd was failing.  However, eth1 was coming 
up the way it was supposed to.

I recompiled the tulip driver as a module, then, just for grins, I  switched the 
physical connections on the pc.  This solved the problem.

In other words, the nic that the 2.4 series kernel called eth0 is now eth1 under 2.6 
and vice versa.  Definitely strange.  I'm not sure what would cause that, but my 
problem appears to be solved. :-)

Thanks,

William


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Re: [gentoo-user] 3d floor plans

2003-07-25 Thread Chris Bare

> 
> Chris Bare wrote:
> >>Is there an open source (or free) program available that will let you 
> >>create a floor plan and then do a 3d walk-through?
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > take a look at http://www.cycas.de
> > It's a 2D/3D drafting program that can output to POV-Ray.
> > The interface is different (maybe it's normal for drafting programs) but
> > can do a lot when you get used to it.
> > I haven't figured out the 3d part yet.
> 
> I don't want anything that complex. I've seen Windows programs that are 
> specifically designed to do floor plans and then let you do a 3d 
> walk-through.
> 

Good luck. Let me know if you find anything.

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Re: [gentoo-user] read and send ISP mail via Squirrelmail (+ sylpheed-claws,mutt?)

2003-07-25 Thread Vincent Cima

Devios McShady wrote:

I am a small step above a complete noob when it comes to Linux. I am seeking guidance and very detailed information in setting up my system so I can read and send email addressed to and sent from my ISP email (POP/SMTP) account.

I already have Apace/PHP/SquirrelMail installed and working on my system.

I assume that I need some kind of scheduled process to download my ISP mail (download my mail from my ISP's pop mail server) on regular intervals and deliver it to the squirrelmail inbox.

I am also assuming that I need some sort of scheduled process to take mail that I send from squirrelmail and send it from my ISP account (connect to my isp's SMTP server and send all mail) on regular intervals.

I need to know what I need in addition to squirrelmail and how to configure these and squirrelmail to accomplish this. The Gentoo Desktop Configuration help guide was unclear to me. Assuming I get the help I need, I will attempt to contact the author and explain why it was unclear and give my reccomendations so I can pass along the favor to the community.

The guide seemed to suggest that fetchmail and courier-imap somehow came into the mix in some way that I do not understand.

Here's the extra credit question: Since I access my system remotely via web and ssh, and use a GUI when I'm local, can I also throw mutt and sylpheed-claws into this equation and have mutt/sylpheed/squirrelmail all share the same inbox and sent folders? THAT would truly be an accomplishment and is something I would like to make happen if possible. Minimally, I'd like to have sylpheed and mutt share the same folders and synchronize with the squirrelmail folders (keep in mind that some messages will be sent from squirrelmail, so syncronization is a two-way thing). I would need some specifics on how to configure mutt and sylpheed-claws to share folders; my web searches and research and manual reading has been extremely frustrating due to my noobishness.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe for any assistance,

Devi0s

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I may be way off base here, but wouldn't it be possible just to use a
mail client, like Evolution or KMail, instead of setting up a home mail
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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

Prabhat Gupta wrote:


Andrew Gaffney wrote:

Prabhat Gupta wrote:

wow!!

Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with 
gentoo installed.
So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form

DISTCC_HOSTS

What should be my "-j" value for this senario? 2??


Typically its CPUs + 1, so you've got host computer + distcc laptop = 
2 CPUs, so set -j3 


I want all my compilation on the fast machine. Should I set it -j2 ?
You should set:

MAKEOPTS="-j2"
DISTCC_HOSTS="fastmachine/2"
FEATURES="ccache distcc"
where fastmachine is the hostname or ip of the fastermachine. The '/2' 
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[gentoo-user] emacs error and gpm ebuild

2003-07-25 Thread Jacob Smullyan

When I try to emerge gpm, the ebuild fails as so:

make[1]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/gpm-1.20.1/work/gpm-1.20.1/contrib'
/usr/bin/emacs -batch -l 
/var/tmp/portage/gpm-1.20.1/work/gpm-1.20.1/contrib/emacs/exec.el -exec 
'(byte-compile-file "emacs/t-mouse.el")'
Loading /usr/lib/emacs/21.3/i686-pc-linux-gnu/fns-21.3.1.el (source)...
Loading dictionary-init (source)...
Emacs version "21.3.1" doesn't support in-line images.
Upgrade to Emacs 21.1 or newer
make[1]: *** [emacs/t-mouse.elc] Error 255
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/gpm-1.20.1/work/gpm-1.20.1/contrib'
make: *** [do-all] Error 1

!!! ERROR: sys-libs/gpm-1.20.1 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 55, Exitcode 2
!!! (no error message)

The problem seems to be that emacs, when started without a window,
produces this error message.  Yet I have several gentoo installations,
and this only happens on one box.

I don't see this in bugzilla and I'm wondering, before I post a bug,
whether anyone else has come across this.

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Andrew Gaffney wrote:

Prabhat Gupta wrote:

wow!!

Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with 
gentoo installed.
So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form

DISTCC_HOSTS

What should be my "-j" value for this senario? 2??


Typically its CPUs + 1, so you've got host computer + distcc laptop = 
2 CPUs, so set -j3 
I want all my compilation on the fast machine. Should I set it -j2 ?

Regards
PRabhat


Where will I set -j option? Is it in make.conf?


the MAKEOPTS="" line

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Re: [gentoo-user] 3d floor plans

Chris Bare wrote:
Is there an open source (or free) program available that will let you 
create a floor plan and then do a 3d walk-through?



take a look at http://www.cycas.de
It's a 2D/3D drafting program that can output to POV-Ray.
The interface is different (maybe it's normal for drafting programs) but
can do a lot when you get used to it.
I haven't figured out the 3d part yet.
I don't want anything that complex. I've seen Windows programs that are 
specifically designed to do floor plans and then let you do a 3d 
walk-through.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

2003-07-25 Thread Asgodom Woldu

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Farmer) wrote:

>At 25 July, 2003 Asgodom Woldu wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Farmer) wrote:
>> >At 25 July, 2003 Asgodom Woldu wrote:
>> >> However, when I replaced this card with the Belkin F5D5000, i was able
>> >> to ping my other PC, and vice versa. i wasn't able to ping for example
>> >> 'www.yahoo.com', but if i used the actual ip address (216.109.125.79)
>> >> it works. This became important when i tried to use 'emerge sync',
>> >> where i get the error message:
>> >> 'starting rsync with rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage...
>> >>   rsync: get addrinfo: rsync.gentoo.org 873: Temporary failure in name
>> >>   resolution.
>> >>   rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c (83)'
>> >>
>> >> So, i used the 'emerge-webrsync' command instead. My question is, does
>> >> this accomplish the same objective, or do i need to find a solution to
>> >> the name resolution problem to finish the installation process?
>> >
>> >Yes, you'll need a working nameserver.
>> >Try these two public nameservers - put them into /etc/resolv.conf:
>> >209.104.63.240
>> >209.104.63.241
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I added the nameservers during the eth0 configuration process (using 'net-setup 
>> eth0' and selecting the static IP option), and i was able to ping 'www.yahoo.com', 
>> etc. However, 'emerge sync' still gives me the same error message, even after i 
>> edited /etc/resolv.conf using nano. Here is the exact copy of what was in 
>> /etc/resolv.conf
>>
>> nameserver 209.104.63.241
>> nameserver 209.104.63.240
>>
>> Is this how it should look?
>
>Yes; that looks good to me.
>

Well, still not working. I don't know what it could be. I even tried editing 
/etc/make.conf, and added the line
SYNC="rsync://rsync.asia.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage/" as is suggested in 
'http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030317-newsletter.xml' to solve some problems 
with 'emerge sync'. i exchanged 'asia' with 'us', 'samerica', 'au', etc. but still the 
same problem.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Az.

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[gentoo-user] open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed

2003-07-25 Thread Robert Young

I thought this was working fine before. Before I reinstalled my computer
I dont remember doing anything diferent.

On my home computer I started sshd
/etc/init.d/sshd start

At work ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Works fine.

If I start vncserver on my home computer I can connect to the server
locally but I cannot
run
ssh -L 5902:locahost:5901 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
from work and then

vncviewer locahost:2

I get  channel 2: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed

Is there a setting or permission that I need to set?



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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

2003-07-25 Thread Andrew Farmer

At 25 July, 2003 Asgodom Woldu wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Farmer) wrote:
> >At 25 July, 2003 Asgodom Woldu wrote:
> >> However, when I replaced this card with the Belkin F5D5000, i was able
> >> to ping my other PC, and vice versa. i wasn't able to ping for example
> >> 'www.yahoo.com', but if i used the actual ip address (216.109.125.79)
> >> it works. This became important when i tried to use 'emerge sync',
> >> where i get the error message:
> >> 'starting rsync with rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage...
> >>   rsync: get addrinfo: rsync.gentoo.org 873: Temporary failure in name
> >>   resolution.
> >>   rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c (83)'
> >>
> >> So, i used the 'emerge-webrsync' command instead. My question is, does
> >> this accomplish the same objective, or do i need to find a solution to
> >> the name resolution problem to finish the installation process?
> >
> >Yes, you'll need a working nameserver.
> >Try these two public nameservers - put them into /etc/resolv.conf:
> >209.104.63.240
> >209.104.63.241
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I added the nameservers during the eth0 configuration process (using 'net-setup 
> eth0' and selecting the static IP option), and i was able to ping 'www.yahoo.com', 
> etc. However, 'emerge sync' still gives me the same error message, even after i 
> edited /etc/resolv.conf using nano. Here is the exact copy of what was in 
> /etc/resolv.conf
> 
> nameserver 209.104.63.241
> nameserver 209.104.63.240
> 
> Is this how it should look? 

Yes; that looks good to me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] 3d floor plans

2003-07-25 Thread Chris Bare

> 
> Is there an open source (or free) program available that will let you 
> create a floor plan and then do a 3d walk-through?
> 

take a look at http://www.cycas.de
It's a 2D/3D drafting program that can output to POV-Ray.
The interface is different (maybe it's normal for drafting programs) but
can do a lot when you get used to it.
I haven't figured out the 3d part yet.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

Prabhat Gupta wrote:
wow!!

Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with 
gentoo installed.
So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form

DISTCC_HOSTS

What should be my "-j" value for this senario? 2??
Typically its CPUs + 1, so you've got host computer + distcc laptop = 2 
CPUs, so set -j3

Where will I set -j option? Is it in make.conf?
the MAKEOPTS="" line

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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

wow!!

Looks like I will get some improvement. I have a 2.4G HP laptop with 
gentoo installed.
So what I will do now it to omit the localhost form

DISTCC_HOSTS

What should be my "-j" value for this senario? 2??

Where will I set -j option? Is it in make.conf?

Thanks

Rob Snow wrote:

Well, from what I'm seeing..it's close to linear speed up minus about 
10-15% overhead.  So if you have 2x boxes you should see around 
1.6-1.8 speedup.  I'm using a 3 box compile 'farm' of 2 gentoo boxes 
(AthlonXP) and a XP (P4) and I'm seeing <2.5min kernel compiles 
from a make clean -> time make -j[5 or 6] bzImage.  I'd consider that 
pretty substantial.  Remeber that some packages don't handle the 
-j[n] option well and even though you put the FEATURE="distcc" in 
they won't use it...xfree comes to mind, it uses distcc, but only at -j2.  
Again, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to actually do the compiles 
'off-site' by leaving your slow machine out of the list of hosts.  That way 
even with a linear build you will be doing the grunt work 'off-site' and 
just linking, etc. onsite. 

This is the way I'm going to build my new firewall/router.  I'll leverage 
all my fast boxes to build the system and leave it completely out of the 
DISTCC_HOSTS line...it's only a 200MHz and I've got 2.0, 2.4, 1.8, 
1.6GHz to throw at the real work. 

-Rob 

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:35:11 -0400, Prabhat Gupta wrote 
 

Hi Rob, 

Thanks. 

So after bootstrapping can I emerge distcc and compile the kernel , 
X and kde-base with distcc? 

Is it going to make a lot of difference in compile time?  Jason  
indicated that It will not make  a lot difference. 

Bootstrapping is still going far last 12 hours. It is a  P166, 80M.  
1.6G for for gentoo (excluding swap). 

Regards 
Prabhat 

Rob Snow wrote: 

   

DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org  

It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your  
portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is 
 

large.  
 

(about 75-85% performance increase for each host added)  

Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your  
FEATURES line.  The downside is that not all of portage does not  
support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it.  

Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your  
DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will 
 

cause  
 

most actual compiling to take place somewhere else.  

ie. DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox" will split the compiles 
 

across  
 

thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS="fastbox" will 
 

make  
 

all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when  
fastbox is a 2.0GHz.  

Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler 
 

to  
 

use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host.  This is what I do, do 
 

a  
 

minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent  
HOWTO at:  

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930  

or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at:   

ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB)  

and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) 
 

and  
 

add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line:  
DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox xpbox"  I've even included a 
 

script  
 

to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) 
 

so it  
 

has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background.   
Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once  
per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 /  
binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build  
environment.  

-Rob  

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote  
 

 

On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote:  
   

   

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:  
 

 

Prabhat Gupta wrote:  
   

   

I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and 
 

also  
 

compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(  
 

 

Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never 
   

used  
 

   

   

it  
 

 

myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the  
compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the  
   

   

filesystem onto  
 

 

your laptop afterwards :)  

Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and  
   

   

/usr/portage .  
 

 

You should only need those when installing things, so it might  
   

   

be okay  
 

 

to put them on a different box...  

Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you  
   

   

need.  
 

 

HTH,  
   

   

Thanks,  

Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing 
 

bootstrapping.  
 

Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't  
 

 

know how  
 

 

to setup NFS and use it for i

Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

2003-07-25 Thread Rob Snow

Well, from what I'm seeing..it's close to linear speed up minus about 
10-15% overhead.  So if you have 2x boxes you should see around 
1.6-1.8 speedup.  I'm using a 3 box compile 'farm' of 2 gentoo boxes 
(AthlonXP) and a XP (P4) and I'm seeing <2.5min kernel compiles 
from a make clean -> time make -j[5 or 6] bzImage.  I'd consider that 
pretty substantial.  Remeber that some packages don't handle the 
-j[n] option well and even though you put the FEATURE="distcc" in 
they won't use it...xfree comes to mind, it uses distcc, but only at -j2.  
Again, you can set your DISTCC_HOSTS to actually do the compiles 
'off-site' by leaving your slow machine out of the list of hosts.  That way 
even with a linear build you will be doing the grunt work 'off-site' and 
just linking, etc. onsite. 
 
This is the way I'm going to build my new firewall/router.  I'll leverage 
all my fast boxes to build the system and leave it completely out of the 
DISTCC_HOSTS line...it's only a 200MHz and I've got 2.0, 2.4, 1.8, 
1.6GHz to throw at the real work. 
 
-Rob 
 
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:35:11 -0400, Prabhat Gupta wrote 
> Hi Rob, 
>  
> Thanks. 
>  
> So after bootstrapping can I emerge distcc and compile the kernel , 
>  X and kde-base with distcc? 
>  
> Is it going to make a lot of difference in compile time?  Jason  
> indicated that It will not make  a lot difference. 
>  
> Bootstrapping is still going far last 12 hours. It is a  P166, 80M.  
> 1.6G for for gentoo (excluding swap). 
>  
> Regards 
> Prabhat 
>  
> Rob Snow wrote: 
>  
> >DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org  
> >  
> >It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your  
> >portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is 
large.  
> >(about 75-85% performance increase for each host added)  
> >  
> >Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your  
> >FEATURES line.  The downside is that not all of portage does not  
> >support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it.  
> >  
> >Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your  
> >DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will 
cause  
> >most actual compiling to take place somewhere else.  
> >  
> >ie. DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox" will split the compiles 
across  
> >thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS="fastbox" will 
make  
> >all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when  
> >fastbox is a 2.0GHz.  
> >  
> >Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler 
to  
> >use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host.  This is what I do, do 
a  
> >minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent  
> >HOWTO at:  
> >  
> >http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930  
> >  
> >or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at:   
> >  
> >ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB)  
> >  
> >and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) 
and  
> >add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line:  
> >DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox xpbox"  I've even included a 
script  
> >to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) 
so it  
> >has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background.   
> >Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once  
> >per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 /  
> >binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build  
> >environment.  
> >  
> >-Rob  
> >  
> >On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote  
> >   
> > 
> >>On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote:  
> >> 
> >> 
> >>>Ciaran McCreesh wrote:  
> >>>   
> >>> 
> Prabhat Gupta wrote:  
>  
>  
> >I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and 
also  
> >compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(  
> >   
> > 
> Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never 
used  
>  
>  
> >it  
> >   
> > 
> myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the  
> compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the  
>  
>  
> >filesystem onto  
> >   
> > 
> your laptop afterwards :)  
>  
> Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and  
>  
>  
> >/usr/portage .  
> >   
> > 
> You should only need those when installing things, so it might  
>  
>  
> >be okay  
> >   
> > 
> to put them on a different box...  
>  
> Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you  
>  
>  
> >need.  
> >   
> > 
> HTH,  
>  
>  
> >>>Thanks,  
> >>> 
> >>>Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing 
bootstrapping.  
> >>> 
> >>>Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't  
> >>>   
> >>> 
> >know how  
> >   
> > 
> >>>to setup NFS and use it for installation?  
> >>> 
> >>>Any pointers?  
> >>>

Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

2003-07-25 Thread Asgodom Woldu

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Farmer) wrote:

>At 25 July, 2003 Asgodom Woldu wrote:
>> However, when I replaced this card with the Belkin F5D5000, i was able
>> to ping my other PC, and vice versa. i wasn't able to ping for example
>> 'www.yahoo.com', but if i used the actual ip address (216.109.125.79)
>> it works. This became important when i tried to use 'emerge sync',
>> where i get the error message:
>> 'starting rsync with rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage...
>>   rsync: get addrinfo: rsync.gentoo.org 873: Temporary failure in name
>>   resolution.
>>   rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c (83)'
>>
>> So, i used the 'emerge-webrsync' command instead. My question is, does
>> this accomplish the same objective, or do i need to find a solution to
>> the name resolution problem to finish the installation process?
>
>Yes, you'll need a working nameserver.
>Try these two public nameservers - put them into /etc/resolv.conf:
>209.104.63.240
>209.104.63.241
>

Hi,

I added the nameservers during the eth0 configuration process (using 'net-setup eth0' 
and selecting the static IP option), and i was able to ping 'www.yahoo.com', etc. 
However, 'emerge sync' still gives me the same error message, even after i edited 
/etc/resolv.conf using nano. Here is the exact copy of what was in /etc/resolv.conf

nameserver 209.104.63.241
nameserver 209.104.63.240

Is this how it should look? 

Thanks,

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Hi Rob,

Thanks.

So after bootstrapping can I emerge distcc and compile the kernel , X 
and kde-base with distcc?

Is it going to make a lot of difference in compile time?  Jason 
indicated that It will not make  a lot difference.

Bootstrapping is still going far last 12 hours. It is a  P166, 80M. 1.6G 
for for gentoo (excluding swap).

Regards
Prabhat
Rob Snow wrote:

DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org 

It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your 
portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is large. 
(about 75-85% performance increase for each host added) 

Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your 
FEATURES line.  The downside is that not all of portage does not 
support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it. 

Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your 
DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will cause 
most actual compiling to take place somewhere else. 

ie. DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox" will split the compiles across 
thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS="fastbox" will make 
all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when 
fastbox is a 2.0GHz. 

Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler to 
use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host.  This is what I do, do a 
minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent 
HOWTO at: 

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930 

or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at:  

ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB) 

and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) and 
add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line: 
DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox xpbox"  I've even included a script 
to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) so it 
has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background.  
Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once 
per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 / 
binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build 
environment. 

-Rob 

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote 
 

On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote: 
   

Ciaran McCreesh wrote: 
 

Prabhat Gupta wrote: 
   

I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also 
compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( 
 

Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used 
   

it 
 

myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the 
compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the 
   

filesystem onto 
 

your laptop afterwards :) 

Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and 
   

/usr/portage . 
 

You should only need those when installing things, so it might 
   

be okay 
 

to put them on a different box... 

Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you 
   

need. 
 

HTH, 
   

Thanks, 

Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. 

Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't 
 

know how 
 

to setup NFS and use it for installation? 

Any pointers? 
 

As I said before I haven't used distcc before, but I suggest not  
using in conjuction with your "slow" laptops. You will end up having  
the fast machine wait for the laptops to finish compiling something  
it could have done quicker by itself. If you can use the fast  
machine to do the compiling, do like I said before but use the -B  
flag to emerge rather than adding "buildpkg" to FEATURES; that will  
build the packages without installing them. NFS I believe to be  
fairly easy to set up. Do a man mount and if that doesn't help just  
search for "nfs howto" with google and you should be right. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin

On Friday 25 July 2003 10:31, Jason Stubbs wrote:

> What I read said that a machine with a "small cache"... But what is a small
> cache? I've read that Athlon XP has a 64k internal cache and I believe
> Pentiums (not Celerons) have a 512kb internal cache. So, 64k sounds pretty
> small to me! ;-) You'll have to check whether Athlon MP is the same or not.

Athlon have 64K L1 Instruction 64K L1 Date and 256K L2 victim cache (L2 does 
not cache anything of L1) 

Barton has an even bigger l2 cache of 512K

Pentium have less, Pentium 4 have less, Duron have less, Celeron have less to 
nothing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

2003-07-25 Thread Andrew Farmer

At 25 July, 2003 Asgodom Woldu wrote:
> However, when I replaced this card with the Belkin F5D5000, i was able
> to ping my other PC, and vice versa. i wasn't able to ping for example
> 'www.yahoo.com', but if i used the actual ip address (216.109.125.79)
> it works. This became important when i tried to use 'emerge sync',
> where i get the error message: 
> 'starting rsync with rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage...
>   rsync: get addrinfo: rsync.gentoo.org 873: Temporary failure in name
>   resolution.
>   rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c (83)'
> 
> So, i used the 'emerge-webrsync' command instead. My question is, does
> this accomplish the same objective, or do i need to find a solution to
> the name resolution problem to finish the installation process?

Yes, you'll need a working nameserver.
Try these two public nameservers - put them into /etc/resolv.conf:
209.104.63.240
209.104.63.241

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Re: [gentoo-user] Network configuration problem

2003-07-25 Thread Asgodom Woldu

Steven Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I used the IP 10.0.0.1 as an example.  If you are going to use static IPs, 
>you need to use one for the network you are on.  Are you directly 
>connecting to the Internet or are you on a private network with a gateway, 
>firewall or proxy to the Internet?  Is DHCP being used on the network to 
>handle dynamic IPs?
>
>If you are directly connected to the Internet, you cannot use any IP as 
>defined in RFC1918 (http://www.rfc-editor.org/) because they are reserved 
>for private networks and are not routeable to the Internet.  The IP ranges 
>in RFC1918 include 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255, 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255, 
>and 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255.  You will need to find out what IP 
>address range your ISP is using and then try to find an IP that is unused.  
>Warning, doing this will cause an IP conflict if someone else starts using 
>the IP you used.
>
>If you are on a private network, you will still need to find out what IP 
>address range is being used.  You will also need to set the routes and/or 
>define where the proxy server is using http_proxy and ftp_proxy (man wget 
>for more details).
>
>Once you get the network details figured out and the interfaces configure, 
>try to ping a neighbor or one of the routes.
>
>In my experiences, if the kernel/Gentoo can detect the card and load the 
>drivers then their is nothing wrong with the drivers --- provided of course 
>the drivers are not alpha, which they shouldn't be.
>

Hi, I am answering both Steven Elling's and Ian Truelsen's questions.

I was using the 10.0.0.1 address as an example too. I actually found a few unused IP 
addresses by pinging addresses that differed by one digit to the PC i am using now. 
Once i was able to find an unused address, i assigned it to eth0, which at this point 
was the Netgear FA311 card. I had the same problems with this card. I wasn't able to 
ping my other PC, and vice versa.

However, when I replaced this card with the Belkin F5D5000, i was able to ping my 
other PC, and vice versa. i wasn't able to ping for example 'www.yahoo.com', but if i 
used the actual ip address (216.109.125.79) it works. This became important when i 
tried to use 'emerge sync', where i get the error message: 
'starting rsync with rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage...
  rsync: get addrinfo: rsync.gentoo.org 873: Temporary failure in name   resolution.
  rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c (83)'

So, i used the 'emerge-webrsync' command instead. My question is, does this accomplish 
the same objective, or do i need to find a solution to the name resolution problem to 
finish the installation process?

To answer Ian's question, 
> What does lsmod show? Does ifconfig now show the interfaces being up?

'ifconfig' does show the interfaces being up. However, as expected i get two slightly 
different outputs when i use 'lsmod' depending on which card i am using (i decided to 
troubleshot by using one card at a time). Here are the results.

Netgear card: natsemi, amp, floppy, serial, isa-pnp, snapshot, md_xor, md_raid1, 
md_raid0, md_linear, md_core, lvm_vge, ldev_mgr, dos,_part, evms_passthru, 
evms_drivelink, evms_bbr, evms, cloop, usb-storage, hid, usb-ohci, usbcore

Belkin: 8139too, mii,  (the rest is the same, with the exception of 'natsemi')

I recognize 8139too as the driver for the Belkin F5D5000 card, but i thought the 
driver for the Netgear FA311 was called FA311. I am probably wrong though.

Thanks for your help again, much appreciated.

Az.

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2003-07-25 Thread Rob Snow

DISTCC: http://distcc.samba.org 

It's quite simple to use and I would recommend building all your 
portage that way, it takes all of 1min to setup and the payoff is large. 
(about 75-85% performance increase for each host added) 

Basically for portage you just emerge distcc and add distcc in your 
FEATURES line.  The downside is that not all of portage does not 
support make -j(n) so some packages will not take advantage of it. 

Another option is to compile on a different box, you can set your 
DISTCC_HOSTS to not include the local machine, which will cause 
most actual compiling to take place somewhere else. 

ie. DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox" will split the compiles across 
thisbox and fastbox, however, DISTCC_HOSTS="fastbox" will make 
all the compiles take place on fastbox...handy for that 166 when 
fastbox is a 2.0GHz. 

Additionally, you can use DISTCC with the Cygwin cross-compiler to 
use a XP (or set of XP) box as a compile host.  This is what I do, do a 
minimal install of Cygwin (~5min?) and then follow the excellent 
HOWTO at: 

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=66930 

or grab my cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 at:  

ftp://ftp.dympna.com/cross-linux-3.2.3.tar.bz2 (23.3MB) 

and untar into /usr/local and do /usr/local/bin/distccd.sh (~5min?) and 
add that xp box into your DISTCC_HOSTS line: 
DISTCC_HOSTS="thisbox fastbox xpbox"  I've even included a script 
to make DISTCC run as an NT service (/usr/local/bin/mkservice) so it 
has no visible effect on XP/NT...just runs in the background.  
Downside is that it's a 23.3MB download, but you only need it once 
per toolchain change. (currently it's at gcc-3.2.3 / glibc-2.3.2 / 
binuntils-2.14.(forgot) / distcc-2.8) which is the current stable build 
environment. 

-Rob 

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 01:11:29 +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote 
> On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote: 
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: 
> > > Prabhat Gupta wrote: 
> > >> I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also 
> > >> compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :( 
> > > 
> > > Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used 
it 
> > > myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the 
> > > compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the 
filesystem onto 
> > > your laptop afterwards :) 
> > > 
> > > Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and 
/usr/portage . 
> > > You should only need those when installing things, so it might 
be okay 
> > > to put them on a different box... 
> > > 
> > > Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you 
need. 
> > > 
> > > HTH, 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping. 
> > 
> > Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't 
know how 
> > to setup NFS and use it for installation? 
> > 
> > Any pointers? 
>  
> As I said before I haven't used distcc before, but I suggest not  
> using in conjuction with your "slow" laptops. You will end up having  
> the fast machine wait for the laptops to finish compiling something  
> it could have done quicker by itself. If you can use the fast  
> machine to do the compiling, do like I said before but use the -B  
> flag to emerge rather than adding "buildpkg" to FEATURES; that will  
> build the packages without installing them. NFS I believe to be  
> fairly easy to set up. Do a man mount and if that doesn't help just  
> search for "nfs howto" with google and you should be right. 
>  
> Jason 
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Re: [gentoo-user] mikmod server doesnot work.

2003-07-25 Thread Spundun Bhatt

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 14:29, Theofilos Intzoglou wrote:
>   If you want to build mikmod just for listening to mod files on xmms,
> you may want to give the modplugxmms plugin a try. It gives way better
> sound quality than mikmod and has better support on some module files
> like .it.xm etc...
> 
I couldnt care less about mikmod. It was just an outstanding update on
my machine and would keep blocking other updates. Fortunately Fatal on
#xmms channel was kind enough to help me. He basically found out the ip
address of mikmod.org and I patched the mikmod ebuild to update the
package and now my portage tree is a fully updated happy one :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

2003-07-25 Thread Arnold Krille

On Friday 25 July 2003 17:41, Jason Stubbs wrote:
> On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:39, Håvard Wall wrote:
> > Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> > > I also need minimal KDE.
> > emerge -uv kde
> emerge kde will install all kde components. If you just want a minimal kde
> installation, emerge kdebase and that's what you will get. kdebase depends
> on kdelibs so only those two packages will be installed. Check under
> /usr/portage/kde-base/ for further information.

kdebase depends on kdelibs which depends on arts which depends on qt which 
depends on X.

If you want to develop plugins for certain programs you also need those progs.

If you want an IDE you can also emerge kdevelop.

I recommend also to emerge kdeaddons which has such good things like the 
webarchiver and other nice plugins for konquerer...

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Re: [gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1

On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 11:24:34AM -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
> William Hubbs wrote:
> 
> >00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20)
> > Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX
> > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
> > Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
> > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
> > SERR-  > Latency: 64
> > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 12
> > Region 0: I/O ports at dc00 [size=256]
> > Region 1: Memory at dbfefe00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
> > Expansion ROM at dbf4 [disabled] [size=256K]
> >
> >00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20)
> > Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX
> > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
> > Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
> > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- 
> > SERR-  > Latency: 64
> > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 10
> > Region 0: I/O ports at de00 [size=256]
> > Region 1: Memory at dbfeff00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
> > Expansion ROM at dbf8 [disabled] [size=256K]
> 
> Do you have 2 of these cards? If so, I think the kernel can only 
> activate one of them when the driver is built in. Try compiling the 
> driver as a module and modprobe'ing it twice.

Hi Andrew,

Yes, I have two cards.  Under the 2.4 series kernel, it works fine and activates both 
cards even if the driver is built in.  But, I will definitely try compiling as a 
module next and see what that does.

Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Bob Sanders

> AMD XP/MP: 128KB L1 cache (64KB instructions, 64KB data)
>   +512KB L2 cache
>   =640KB total cache
> 
> Intel Pentium 4 <= 2GHz:
>  8KB L1 data cache
>   + 12KB L1 instruction cache
>   +256KB L2 cache
>   =276KB total cache
>

It's 256KB because Intel's cache is inclusive, this the L1 cache information
is duplicated in the L2.
 
> Intel Pentium 4 >= 2GHz:
>  8KB L1 data cache
>   + 12KB L1 instruction cache
>   +512KB L2 cache
>   =532KB total cache
>

Same here, it's only 512 KB due to being inclusive. 

AMD has exclusive cache thus the L1 and L2 don't duplicate the cache data.

> Of course, AMD Duron and Intel Celerons are cheaper products with less 
> chache.
>

Durons have been discontinued.  Celrons have both a crippled cache 1/2 of P4 and 
crippled
Front Side Buss' - only 400 MHz (actually it's a 100 MHz base clock.  Data is 4x while
instructions are at 100 MHz). 

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Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:

Prabhat,

 

Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb.
   

I can see that.  I'm running full SuSE 8.0 on a Thinkpad 770 at home, with
the usual KDE, so the 760 should be able to handle it, too.  I've got to
admit, though, that I do most of my debugging manually.  I learned before
they had these fancy tools.
 

Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute
farms and he need some graphics.
I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile
time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(
   

Whoosh.  With only 24 hours left I'd choose a distro that would install
without the compilation.  Have you considered Knoppix running straight off
the CD?  It comes up in KDE.
I love Gentoo, but it won't build on old slow machines in 24 hours,
especially if you are doing KDE.  Someone mentioned KDE-base to give you a
minimal KDE.  I'd second that.  You can find smaller window managers, too.
But building X will still take more time than you have.  I've just completed
a Gentoo install on a Sony Vaio (Celleron 333MHz) and it took days.  Full
KDE ("emerge kde") from the stage 1 install was 120 packages, some of which
took more than a day.
You might remind your boss of the old triangle rule of thumb:  Draw a
triangle, label the corners "good", "fast" and "cheap".  Select any one line
and you can have those characteristics at its ends.
In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

 

Thanks guys for all your help. I really love gentoo and the user community.

I think I will try to emerge xfree and then teach my boss how to install 
KDE-BASE.
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Jason Stubbs wrote:

On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:48, Prabhat Gupta wrote:
 

Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
   

Prabhat Gupta wrote:
 

Hi All,

I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.

The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
bootstrapping the system.
I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
CVS, shells.
I also need minimal KDE.

What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
   

Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do
you need KDE?  If you really want a minimal system this would seem
superfluous.
In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})
 

Hi Tom,

Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb.

Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute
farms and he need some graphics.
I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile
time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(
   

24 hours? What were those laptops again? KDE normally takes about 24 hours to 
compile everything on my AthlonXP.

If you can network the laptops then I suggest using CFLAGS for the lowest 
common denominator and also use distcc. Perform the Gentoo install (as per 
instructions) using stage2 on the laptops using stage2. After that set 
FEATURES in /etc/make.conf to include "buildpkg". After that, build distcc on 
one laptop and mount /usr/portage on all the others via nfs. Then emerge 
distcc on all the other laptops using the -k flag (install from a precompiled 
package where possible). Set up distcc and make sure to include it in 
FEATURES on all laptops - I've never done it so I can't help you there. Then 
emerge kdebase and whatever other kde components you need on one laptop and 
use the -k flag again on the other laptops. That should get it all running 
within maybe 12 hours?

Jason

 

WOW, seems great!!!

I am definetely going to try it when I get other laptops. Currently I 
have only one to install.

The laptop is P166 with 80MB RAM :((

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On Saturday 26 July 2003 01:00, Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> >> I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also
> >> compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(
> >
> > Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it
> > myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the
> > compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto
> > your laptop afterwards :)
> >
> > Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage .
> > You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay
> > to put them on a different box...
> >
> > Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need.
> >
> > HTH,
>
> Thanks,
>
> Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping.
>
> Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how
> to setup NFS and use it for installation?
>
> Any pointers?

As I said before I haven't used distcc before, but I suggest not using in 
conjuction with your "slow" laptops. You will end up having the fast machine 
wait for the laptops to finish compiling something it could have done quicker 
by itself. If you can use the fast machine to do the compiling, do like I 
said before but use the -B flag to emerge rather than adding "buildpkg" to 
FEATURES; that will build the packages without installing them. NFS I believe 
to be fairly easy to set up. Do a man mount and if that doesn't help just 
search for "nfs howto" with google and you should be right.

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RE: [gentoo-user] resizing a gentoo parition and making room for xp

2003-07-25 Thread Ricardo Nuno

hi,

You can always try to run those aplications on Gentoo
check it out on:

http://frankscorner.org/index.html

Macromedia:
http://frankscorner.org/webdesign.html

Adobe:
http://frankscorner.org/graphics.html


RNuno

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From: daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [gentoo-user] resizing a gentoo parition and making room for xp


i know, it's sacrelige.  but until adobe and macromedia make versions of
their
software for linux, i'm stuck using their stuff in windows.  unfortunately
though, i made the mistake of partitioning my whole 40gb hard drive to
gentoo
when i installed, and now i don't know how to go back.

right now my only hard drive looks like this:

/dev/hda1  ext2  /boot
/dev/hda2  swap
/dev/hda3  ext3  /

nothing all that unorthodox.  but what i want to do is resize hda3 and make
room (about 10gb) for windows xp.  how do i do this?  suggestions?
reccomendations?  i can't reinstall since this is a work computer and i
can't
spend too much time compiling everything again.


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2003-07-25 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


Prabhat,

> Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb.

I can see that.  I'm running full SuSE 8.0 on a Thinkpad 770 at home, with
the usual KDE, so the 760 should be able to handle it, too.  I've got to
admit, though, that I do most of my debugging manually.  I learned before
they had these fancy tools.

> Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute
> farms and he need some graphics.
> 
> I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile
> time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(

Whoosh.  With only 24 hours left I'd choose a distro that would install
without the compilation.  Have you considered Knoppix running straight off
the CD?  It comes up in KDE.

I love Gentoo, but it won't build on old slow machines in 24 hours,
especially if you are doing KDE.  Someone mentioned KDE-base to give you a
minimal KDE.  I'd second that.  You can find smaller window managers, too.
But building X will still take more time than you have.  I've just completed
a Gentoo install on a Sony Vaio (Celleron 333MHz) and it took days.  Full
KDE ("emerge kde") from the stage 1 install was 120 packages, some of which
took more than a day.

You might remind your boss of the old triangle rule of thumb:  Draw a
triangle, label the corners "good", "fast" and "cheap".  Select any one line
and you can have those characteristics at its ends.


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Re: [gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1

William Hubbs wrote:

00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20)
Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- 
SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- 
00:10.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20)
Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- 
SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- Do you have 2 of these cards? If so, I think the kernel can only 
activate one of them when the driver is built in. Try compiling the 
driver as a module and modprobe'ing it twice.

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2003-07-25 Thread Douglas Russell

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On Friday 25 July 2003 5:18 pm, daniel wrote:
> i know, it's sacrelige.  but until adobe and macromedia make versions of
> their software for linux, i'm stuck using their stuff in windows. 
> unfortunately though, i made the mistake of partitioning my whole 40gb hard
> drive to gentoo when i installed, and now i don't know how to go back.
>
> right now my only hard drive looks like this:
>
> /dev/hda1  ext2  /boot
> /dev/hda2  swap
> /dev/hda3  ext3  /
>
> nothing all that unorthodox.  but what i want to do is resize hda3 and make
> room (about 10gb) for windows xp.  how do i do this?  suggestions?
> reccomendations?  i can't reinstall since this is a work computer and i
> can't spend too much time compiling everything again.

Check out parted.

Puggy
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On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:48, Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
> >Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.
> >>
> >>The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
> >>bootstrapping the system.
> >>
> >>I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
> >>CVS, shells.
> >>
> >>I also need minimal KDE.
> >>
> >>What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
> >
> >Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do
> > you need KDE?  If you really want a minimal system this would seem
> > superfluous.
> >
> >
> >In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,
> >
> >Tom  :-})
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb.
>
> Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute
> farms and he need some graphics.
>
> I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile
> time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(

24 hours? What were those laptops again? KDE normally takes about 24 hours to 
compile everything on my AthlonXP.

If you can network the laptops then I suggest using CFLAGS for the lowest 
common denominator and also use distcc. Perform the Gentoo install (as per 
instructions) using stage2 on the laptops using stage2. After that set 
FEATURES in /etc/make.conf to include "buildpkg". After that, build distcc on 
one laptop and mount /usr/portage on all the others via nfs. Then emerge 
distcc on all the other laptops using the -k flag (install from a precompiled 
package where possible). Set up distcc and make sure to include it in 
FEATURES on all laptops - I've never done it so I can't help you there. Then 
emerge kdebase and whatever other kde components you need on one laptop and 
use the -k flag again on the other laptops. That should get it all running 
within maybe 12 hours?

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2003-07-25 Thread daniel

i know, it's sacrelige.  but until adobe and macromedia make versions of their 
software for linux, i'm stuck using their stuff in windows.  unfortunately 
though, i made the mistake of partitioning my whole 40gb hard drive to gentoo 
when i installed, and now i don't know how to go back.

right now my only hard drive looks like this:

/dev/hda1  ext2  /boot
/dev/hda2  swap
/dev/hda3  ext3  /

nothing all that unorthodox.  but what i want to do is resize hda3 and make 
room (about 10gb) for windows xp.  how do i do this?  suggestions? 
reccomendations?  i can't reinstall since this is a work computer and i can't 
spend too much time compiling everything again.


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Douglas Russell wrote:

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On Friday 25 July 2003 4:48 pm, Prabhat Gupta wrote:
 

Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
   

Prabhat Gupta wrote:
 

Hi All,

I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.

The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
bootstrapping the system.
I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
CVS, shells.
I also need minimal KDE.

What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
   

Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do
you need KDE?  If you really want a minimal system this would seem
superfluous.
In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})
 

Hi Tom,

Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb.

Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute
farms and he need some graphics.
I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile
time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(
   

You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old 
machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems.

Puggy

 

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh

Jason Stubbs wrote:
So that means Athlons have a relatively LARGE cache?
To make faster CPUs, Intel put the clock frequency up. Recent AMD chips 
operate at lower clock frequencies than the number would suggest (eg my 
XP 1700+ runs at around 1.47GHz), and so have to get their speed boost 
from somewhere else...

To be certain my original CFLAGS was "-march=athlon-xp -O3 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow 
-mfpmath=sse -pipe" which I changed to "-march=athlon-xp -O2 -mfpmath=sse 
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe". Come to think of it the performance gain may be 
due to the omit-frame-pointer flag.  Comments?
I'm pretty sure -O3 includes omit-frame-pointer by default...

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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

Prabhat Gupta wrote:

I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also 
compile time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(


Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it 
myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the 
compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto 
your laptop afterwards :)

Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . 
You should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay 
to put them on a different box...

Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need.

HTH,
Thanks,

Any ideas, how to use distcc? I am currently doing bootstrapping.

Also I do have a fast machine with gentoo installed but I don't know how 
to setup NFS and use it for installation?

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Jason Stubbs wrote:

On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:39, Håvard Wall wrote:
 

Prabhat Gupta wrote:
   

Hi All,

I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.

The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
bootstrapping the system.
I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
CVS, shells.
I also need minimal KDE.

What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
 

and installing a kernel and the other things in the installation guide?

emerge -uv kde

and I belive you should have everything you asked for. KDE takes a lot
of space though, you would probably have to clean out
/usr/portage/distfiles and maybe /var/tmp/portage from time to time.
   

emerge kde will install all kde components. If you just want a minimal kde 
installation, emerge kdebase and that's what you will get. kdebase depends on 
kdelibs so only those two packages will be installed. Check under 
/usr/portage/kde-base/ for further information.

Jason

 

Thanks Jason,
I will look into that.
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2003-07-25 Thread Douglas Russell

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On Friday 25 July 2003 4:48 pm, Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
> >Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.
> >>
> >>The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
> >>bootstrapping the system.
> >>
> >>I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
> >>CVS, shells.
> >>
> >>I also need minimal KDE.
> >>
> >>What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
> >
> >Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do
> > you need KDE?  If you really want a minimal system this would seem
> > superfluous.
> >
> >
> >In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,
> >
> >Tom  :-})
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb.
>
> Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute
> farms and he need some graphics.
>
> I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile
> time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(

You'll be lucky to get XFree and KDE compiled and configured on those old 
machines within 24 hours even if you have no problems.

Puggy
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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

2003-07-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh

Prabhat Gupta wrote:
I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile 
time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(
Consider using distcc to speed up compile time. I've never used it 
myself, but I've heard good things about it. Better yet, do the 
compiling on an insanely overspecced server and cp the filesystem onto 
your laptop afterwards :)

Condiser NFS/iSCSI/whatever for /var/tmp/portage and /usr/portage . You 
should only need those when installing things, so it might be okay to 
put them on a different box...

Don't emerge kde. Emerge kde-base and whatever else you need.

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

On Friday 25 July 2003 23:09, Håvard Wall wrote:
> AMD XP/MP: 128KB L1 cache (64KB instructions, 64KB data)
>+512KB L2 cache
>=640KB total cache
>
> Intel Pentium 4 <= 2GHz:
>   8KB L1 data cache
>+ 12KB L1 instruction cache
>+256KB L2 cache
>=276KB total cache
>
> Intel Pentium 4 >= 2GHz:
>   8KB L1 data cache
>+ 12KB L1 instruction cache
>+512KB L2 cache
>=532KB total cache
>
> Actually, P4 have 12K micro-ops cache, not 12KB, whatever that means in
> practice.
> Of course, AMD Duron and Intel Celerons are cheaper products with less
> chache.
>
So that means Athlons have a relatively LARGE cache? As I (think) I said, I'm 
not sure about the Pentiums and am just going by what I remember. Although, 
come to think of it, a 64KB block of code without jumps, etc sounds pretty 
huge. Either way, that doesn't change the fact that I still seem to get a 
fairly large performance gain with -O2.

To be certain my original CFLAGS was "-march=athlon-xp -O3 -mmmx -msse -m3dnow 
-mfpmath=sse -pipe" which I changed to "-march=athlon-xp -O2 -mfpmath=sse 
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe". Come to think of it the performance gain may be 
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Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:

Prabhat Gupta wrote:
 

Hi All,

I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.

The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
bootstrapping the system.
I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
CVS, shells.
I also need minimal KDE.

What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
   

Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you
need KDE?  If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous.
In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

 

Hi Tom,

Sometime it feels good to debug using DDD rather using plain gdb.

Anyway my boss needs 4-5 of those junk laptops to demostrate compute 
farms and he need some graphics.

I am looking for ideas to reduce the space requirment and also compile 
time. I have only 24 hrs left for this :(

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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:39, Håvard Wall wrote:
> Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.
> >
> > The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
> > bootstrapping the system.
> >
> > I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
> > CVS, shells.
> >
> > I also need minimal KDE.
> >
> > What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
>
> and installing a kernel and the other things in the installation guide?
>
> emerge -uv kde
>
> and I belive you should have everything you asked for. KDE takes a lot
> of space though, you would probably have to clean out
> /usr/portage/distfiles and maybe /var/tmp/portage from time to time.

emerge kde will install all kde components. If you just want a minimal kde 
installation, emerge kdebase and that's what you will get. kdebase depends on 
kdelibs so only those two packages will be installed. Check under 
/usr/portage/kde-base/ for further information.

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2003-07-25 Thread Håvard Wall

Thanks,
I will look at the emerge option "-v".  When should I clean the 
"/usr/portage/distfiles" and how?
Actually, you should do an "emerge -uvp kde" first. This will list all 
the packages which will be installed.

When a package gets installed, portage downloads the source in 
/usr/portage/distfiles. The source will be unpacked and compiled in 
/var/tmp/portage. After a package is installed, you could remove its 
source from /usr/portage/distfiles. I belive /var/tmp/portage gets 
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Re: [gentoo-user] [ebuild FU ] Flag

2003-07-25 Thread Marius Mauch

On 07/25/03  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> When I do 'emerge --update realplayer -p' I get:
> 
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuildFU ] media-video/realplayer-8-r6 [8-r5] 
> 
> The output flag "F" (red) is not mentioned in the emerge manpage or
> the portage manual. What does it mean?

Looking at the code it means that you have to download the sources for
this packages manually (because of license issues or other
restrictions).

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2003-07-25 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA

Prabhat Gupta wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.
> 
> The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am
> bootstrapping the system.
> 
> I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make,
> CVS, shells.
> 
> I also need minimal KDE.
> 
> What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?

Since Gentoo comes up with multiple consoles using the F1-F6 keys why do you
need KDE?  If you really want a minimal system this would seem superfluous.

In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

Håvard Wall wrote:



Prabhat Gupta wrote:

Hi All,

I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.

The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am 
bootstrapping the system.

I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, 
CVS, shells.

I also need minimal KDE.

What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?


and installing a kernel and the other things in the installation guide?

emerge -uv kde

and I belive you should have everything you asked for. KDE takes a lot 
of space though, you would probably have to clean out 
/usr/portage/distfiles and maybe /var/tmp/portage from time to time.

Thanks,
I will look at the emerge option "-v".  When should I clean the 
"/usr/portage/distfiles" and how?

I plan to use gentoo-sources for kernel. Can I clean source files for 
the kernel after kernel installation?

Also before "emerge -uv kde", I have to emerge xfree too, right? Is 
there a way to reduce the space requirement
for xfree? I know the graphics chip of the thinkpad 760XL, it is  
Trident CYBER9385.

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Re: [gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1

2003-07-25 Thread Rich Smith

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>>Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20)

As luck would have it I have used this NIC under linux before and as far as I 
can remember the tulip driver was the one I used.

Have you tried explicity binding an ip to an interface with ifconfig ?? 

If so and it hasn't worked, what are your boot up messages, is the card 
detected properly??

If everything looks right it might be worth compiling the tulip.o module and 
seeing if it modprobes without errors ??

Sorry I cant be more help at the moment :(

Cheers
Rich

P.S. I am going away for the weekend in a few hours so if I don't reply 
further I'm not being rude, I just haven't had chance to check my mail !!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

2003-07-25 Thread Håvard Wall



Prabhat Gupta wrote:
Hi All,

I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.

The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am 
bootstrapping the system.

I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, 
CVS, shells.

I also need minimal KDE.

What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?
and installing a kernel and the other things in the installation guide?

emerge -uv kde

and I belive you should have everything you asked for. KDE takes a lot 
of space though, you would probably have to clean out 
/usr/portage/distfiles and maybe /var/tmp/portage from time to time.

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[gentoo-user] Minimal Gentoo install

Hi All,

I am trying to install a minimal gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad 760XL.

The laptop has 1.6G free space on ROOT partition. Currently I am 
bootstrapping the system.

I want a minimal system to do some C++ development. I need GCC, make, 
CVS, shells.

I also need minimal KDE.

What should be my next steps after BOOTSTRAPPING?

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Re: [gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1

On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 03:18:59PM +, Rich Smith wrote:
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> On Friday 25 Jul 2003 1:50 pm, William Hubbs wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I have 2 network cards in this pc that seem to work fine under the 2.4
> > series kernel with the tulip driver.  However, I can't seem to get them to
> > respond under the 2.6.0-test1 kernel with the tulip driver.
> 
> When you say they don't respons what do you mean ? Do the modules load without 
> error and they just dont bind to an interface. Or do the modules not even 
> load, or have you compiled the drivers into the kernel ??
> 
> If you give a bit more info it will be easier to try and help :)

Hi Rich and all,

The driver is compiled into the kernel.

It doesn't want to bind to an interface.

Right now I am not running that kernel since I am accessing the machine via ssh, but 
when I get back home in a few hours I will work with it more.  


Below is the output from lspci -vv.  Does this help identify the card?  Should I be 
using the tulip driver?

00:00.0 Host bridge: ALi Corporation M1621 (rev 05)
Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- 
SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=slow >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- Reset- FastB2B-

00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV] (rev b4)
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle+ MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- 
SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR-

[gentoo-user] Re: Only half the download speed with masquerading/routing

* Thorsten Kampe (2003-07-18 15:48 +0200)
> my Gentoo box acts as a Router for a Windows XP host. On the Gentoo
> box the download rate is about *7,5 kB/s* on the XP host just *3,8
> kB/s*. But: when I use a Cisco router for the Windows host, the
> download is about *7,5 kB/s*.

> So it looks like as the Gentoo router is limiting the bandwidth...
> What can I do to make the full 7-8 kB/s available to the clients?!

> Neither on the Windows nor on the Gentoo host is a firewall or a virus
> scanner running. Kernel is 2.4.20.

For the record: after "updating" the XP box to Gentoo the download
speed is near the theoretic maximum. There is no point in blaming the
XP machine because it had no problems with the CISCO router but
obviously Gentoo and XP didn't work well together when Gentoo was the
masquerading router.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Spam Query

2003-07-25 Thread Alexander Futasz

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 22:17:39 +0100, Tom Wesley wrote:
> > Is there any spam filters out there, that can maybe redflag certain
> > email, which it thinks is spam, so that I can use my mailer to
> > filter it out, and then change the 'spam filter' if it gets it
> > wrong?

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] emerge -s spam
> Searching...
> [ Results for search key : spam ]
> [ Applications found : 3 ]

$ emerge -S spam
Searching...   
[ Results for search key : spam ]
[ Applications found : 9 ]

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[gentoo-user] Re: Xargs error on boot new installation.

* Dhruba Bandopadhyay (2003-07-25 15:02 +0200)
> Michael Rasile wrote:
>> On Thu Jul 24, 2003 at 12:39:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
>>>Kevin Hayes wrote:
Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
xargs: error message,
 [...]

> The version you need is 1.8.6.9.  Emerge it by doing the following 
> (assuming x86).

> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge --noconfmem baselayout

You /really/ shouldn't emerge a masked *baselayout* because of a
(mainly cosmetic) bug in bootmisc.

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage question

2003-07-25 Thread Douglas Russell

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On Friday 25 July 2003 3:35 pm, Alexander Futasz wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:11:50 +0300 (IDT), Leonid Podolny wrote:
> > I know this question was asked here at least dozen of times, but I
> > still have the following problem. I have postfix-2.0.13-r1 installed,
> > and every emerge -u world is trying to downgrade it to version 2.0.11.
> > So I've put
> >
> > >=net-mail/postfix-2.0.13 to /etc/portage/packages.unmask, and it
> >
> > doesn't  help.
>
> Unfortunately this isn't how package.unmask works. See:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25041
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Does emerge -U world also try and downgrade it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage question

2003-07-25 Thread Alexander Futasz

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:11:50 +0300 (IDT), Leonid Podolny wrote:

> I know this question was asked here at least dozen of times, but I
> still have the following problem. I have postfix-2.0.13-r1 installed,
> and every emerge -u world is trying to downgrade it to version 2.0.11.
> So I've put 
> >=net-mail/postfix-2.0.13 to /etc/portage/packages.unmask, and it
> doesn't  help.

Unfortunately this isn't how package.unmask works. See:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25041

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

2003-07-25 Thread Alexander Futasz

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:49:27 +0100, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
> Baselayout 1.8.6.9 is a bugfix release with only a few minor features 
> 
> In the meantime, you can add baselayout to /etc/portage/package.unmask
> if you wish to emerge it.

No, you cannot. package.unmask only unmasks stuff which is in
package.mask and the version of baselayout you mentioned is not.

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Re: [gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1

2003-07-25 Thread Rich Smith

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On Friday 25 Jul 2003 1:50 pm, William Hubbs wrote:
> All,
>
> I have 2 network cards in this pc that seem to work fine under the 2.4
> series kernel with the tulip driver.  However, I can't seem to get them to
> respond under the 2.6.0-test1 kernel with the tulip driver.

When you say they don't respons what do you mean ? Do the modules load without 
error and they just dont bind to an interface. Or do the modules not even 
load, or have you compiled the drivers into the kernel ??

If you give a bit more info it will be easier to try and help :)

Cheers

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Håvard Wall

AMD XP/MP: 128KB L1 cache (64KB instructions, 64KB data)
  +512KB L2 cache
  =640KB total cache
Intel Pentium 4 <= 2GHz:
 8KB L1 data cache
  + 12KB L1 instruction cache
  +256KB L2 cache
  =276KB total cache
Intel Pentium 4 >= 2GHz:
 8KB L1 data cache
  + 12KB L1 instruction cache
  +512KB L2 cache
  =532KB total cache
Actually, P4 have 12K micro-ops cache, not 12KB, whatever that means in 
practice.
Of course, AMD Duron and Intel Celerons are cheaper products with less 
chache.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_3734_3738,00.html
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_809_4368,00.html
http://developer.intel.com/design/pentium4/datashts/249198.htm
http://developer.intel.com/design/pentium4/datashts/298643.htm
Stefano Marinelli wrote:
Alle 15:46, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, Marshal Newrock ha scritto:

The easiest way to find the cache size: cat /proc/cpuinfo

On an Athlon 850MHz, I have:
cache size  : 256 KB


My results:
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 6
model   : 7
model name  : mobile AMD Duron(tm)
stepping: 1
cpu MHz : 1000.117
cache size  : 64 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca 
cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips: 1992.29

Stefano

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[gentoo-user] network cards not working under 2.6.0-test1

All,

I have 2 network cards in this pc that seem to work fine under the 2.4 series kernel 
with the tulip driver.  However, I can't seem to get them to respond under the 
2.6.0-test1 kernel with the tulip driver.

I'm not quite sure how to go about figuring out what is going on -- could someone 
assist?

Is there a place, to start with, in the /proc file system of 2.4.21 that I can look to 
find out the specifics about the chipset my network cards use so I can check the 
2.6.0-test1 documentation to see if I should be using a different driver?  That is the 
only thing I can think of.

Thanks,

William

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[gentoo-user] [ebuild FU ] Flag

2003-07-25 Thread blue_screen_

Hi!

When I do 'emerge --update realplayer -p' I get:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuildFU ] media-video/realplayer-8-r6 [8-r5] 

The output flag "F" (red) is not mentioned in the emerge manpage or
the portage manual. What does it mean?

Thanks.
Raimar Sandner

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Stefano Marinelli

Alle 15:46, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, Marshal Newrock ha scritto:
> The easiest way to find the cache size: cat /proc/cpuinfo
>
> On an Athlon 850MHz, I have:
> cache size  : 256 KB

My results:
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 6
model   : 7
model name  : mobile AMD Duron(tm)
stepping: 1
cpu MHz : 1000.117
cache size  : 64 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca 
cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips: 1992.29

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Marshal Newrock

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Stefano Marinelli wrote:

> > believe Pentiums (not Celerons) have a 512kb internal cache. So, 64k
> > sounds pretty small to me! ;-) You'll have to check whether Athlon MP
> > is the same or not.
>
> I don't know really, but I think it's the same.
> I'm going to search for something...I'll add something more as soon as
> I'll find.

The easiest way to find the cache size: cat /proc/cpuinfo

On an Athlon 850MHz, I have:
cache size  : 256 KB


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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Stefano Marinelli

Alle 10:31, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, Jason Stubbs ha scritto:
> slower in compiling AND the resulting program. -O3 only adds
> -fomit-frame-pointer and -finline-functions to -O2's set of
> optimizations. -finline-functions will try to inline all functions
> based on the resulting code size of each function. On machine's with
> small CPU cache this can cause a dramatic cache penalty when a block
> of code is larger than the cache size. Compiling is a little slower
> too as the compiler needs to figure out what it should try inlining
> and what it shouldn't.

Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand why it can be slower.

> believe Pentiums (not Celerons) have a 512kb internal cache. So, 64k
> sounds pretty small to me! ;-) You'll have to check whether Athlon MP
> is the same or not.

I don't know really, but I think it's the same.
I'm going to search for something...I'll add something more as soon as 
I'll find.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc question

2003-07-25 Thread Arnold Krille

On Friday 25 July 2003 12:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 06:33 Fri 25 Jul , Travis Roy wrote:
> > I'm having problems compiling some stuff and I get this error
> > gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations
> > Where is that specified so I can fix it? This is during an emerge -u
> Could be a wrong optimization flag (-o3 instead of -O3) somewher in
> /etc/make.conf, $CFLAGS or $CXXFLAGS...

No, its more likely an assembler file (*.asm) which is compiled with wrong 
options...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

2003-07-25 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay

Michael Rasile wrote:
On Thu Jul 24, 2003 at 12:39:33PM +0100 or thereabouts, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:

Kevin Hayes wrote:

Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
xargs: error message,
* Configuring kernel parameters...  [ ok ]
  * Cleaning /var/lock, /var/run...
  xargs: environment is too large for exec[ ok ]
  * Cleaning /tmp directory...[ ok ]
Using 2.4.20, which I also use to boot Slackware and Debian, on other
partitions without the message, curious.
There apparently was a kernel patch for this in the 2.3 kernel.

When I first log in on tty1, there are also a lot of modprobe messages
related to modules which i neither have or want.
tia.



Update baselayout.  The version 1.8.6.9 of baselayout fixes this error 
and many other ones too.

Greetings!
Just for the record, I was having the same xargs error message and I
upgraded to baselayout 1.8.6.9 and I still get the message. It's not causing
any serious problems, just annonying to see it. If updating baselayout is
supposed to fix the bug, just wondering why it didnnn't work for me. Any
suggestions as to what else I might do. Thanks for anything.
The version you need is 1.8.6.9.  Emerge it by doing the following 
(assuming x86).

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge --noconfmem baselayout

Then run etc-update to replace older files such as /etc/bootmisc.  Be 
careful not to replace /etc/fstab and make sure to reconfigure 
/etc/rc.conf after replacing it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Xargs error on boot new installation.

2003-07-25 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay

Collins Richey wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:39:33 +0100
Dhruba Bandopadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kevin Hayes wrote:

Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
xargs: error message,


Update baselayout.  The version 1.8.6.9 of baselayout fixes this error
and many other ones too.


Which, it turns out is masked!  It would be nice to know when we have a
stable version of baselayout again.  I've been sitting on baselayout for
a couple of weeks now.
Later posts seem to say that the masked version doesn't really fix
everything.

Baselayout 1.8.6.9 is a bugfix release with only a few minor features 
additions.  It does take care of the xargs error and many more.  I have 
not had any problems with it.  After a little more time in testing I'm 
sure it'll be moved over to stable.

In the meantime, you can add baselayout to /etc/portage/package.unmask 
if you wish to emerge it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

2003-07-25 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay

dao wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Dhruba Bandopadhyay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] problem with emerge

dao wrote:

I download packages for emerging from my workplace. And after I've
done

"emerge xfree86" at home (maybe I'd better do "emerge -U xfree86" ?) I
receive such an error:

Post output of 'emerge info'.

localhost root # emerge info
Emerge sync and update portage.  This bug has been fixed in the newer 
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RE: [gentoo-user] 802.11 cards

2003-07-25 Thread Ian D

> Which 802.11{b,g} PCI cards work well with (gentoo) Linux? 
> More specifically, which D-Link or NetGear cards work well?

To answer my own question, NetGear WG311 works with the madwifi-driver
package, at least in Managed mode (host-ap doesn't seem to work)

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RE: [gentoo-user] unreal

2003-07-25 Thread Matt Gossage

Just download the unreal tournament 436.run from loki, 

Makes the windows cd play under linux, and it plays like a charm

-Original Message-
From: Jason Stubbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 25 July 2003 08:26
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Mercer
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] unreal

On Friday 25 July 2003 16:07, Adam Mercer wrote:
> I've recently emerge unreal-226 and I can't get it to work. First of
all
> the /usr/games/bin/unreal script references the unreal tournament
binary
> wrong, it trys to call "UnrealTournament" instead of "ut". When I fix
> this, if this is indeed the correct fix, all I get is the standard
> unreal tournament.
>
> How can I get this working?

Unfortunately, there is no real port of unreal to Linux. The unreal-226
that 
you have emerged is a hack of Unreal Tournement to get it to work with
the 
Unreal world. I don't have UT so I can't tell you how to get it to work.
You 
can find more information and possibly a solution at 
http://www.icculus.org/~chunky/ut/unreal/

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[gentoo-user] Re: Live cd as "rescue" cd and kernel/lilo/framebuffer problems

2003-07-25 Thread Stefano

Alle 12:05, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, Theofilos Intzoglou ha scritto:
>   It really takes a lot of time to compile the whole kde environment and
> if you say that you stop the compiling and restart it, it should take a
> lot more as the package that the emerge was compiling when you stopped

Ok, I forget to say that I've stopped the compiling only while it has 
completed a step and then tries to connect to the internet to download the 
sources needed for the nex step. In this way I thought to reduce to the 
maximum the lost time because of the stop. In fact every time that it resumed 
the compiling process, this restart exactly from the point in which it had 
been interrupted.

> bzImage modules modules_install' you should do the following:
>
> mount /boot
> cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/nameofthekernel
> vi /etc/lilo.conf (to add an entry for the new kernel you have named
> nameofthekernel) (optional if you overwrite the old kernel with the new
> one)
> lilo (THIS IS IMPORTANT)
> umount /boot
Yes, it's correct. Probably I have forgotten also to run lilo, beyond that 
mounting the boot partition. 
Thanks, your answer is sure of great aid
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Re: [gentoo-user] Live cd as "rescue" cd and kernel/lilo/framebuffer problems

2003-07-25 Thread Stefano

Alle 12:05, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, Theofilos Intzoglou ha scritto:
>   It really takes a lot of time to compile the whole kde environment and
> if you say that you stop the compiling and restart it, it should take a
> lot more as the package that the emerge was compiling when you stopped

Ok, I forget to say that I've stopped the compiling only while it has 
completed a step and then tries to connect to the internet to download the 
sources needed for the nex step. In this way I thought to reduce to the 
maximum the lost time because of the stop. In fact every time that it resumed 
the compiling process, this restart exactly from the point in which it had 
been interrupted.

> bzImage modules modules_install' you should do the following:
>
> mount /boot
> cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/nameofthekernel
> vi /etc/lilo.conf (to add an entry for the new kernel you have named
> nameofthekernel) (optional if you overwrite the old kernel with the new
> one)
> lilo (THIS IS IMPORTANT)
> umount /boot
Yes, it's correct. Probably I have forgotten also to run lilo, beyond that 
mounting the boot partition. 
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc question

2003-07-25 Thread sandner

On 06:33 Fri 25 Jul , Travis Roy wrote:
> I'm having problems compiling some stuff and I get this error
> 
> gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations
> 
> Where is that specified so I can fix it? This is during an emerge -u

Could be a wrong optimization flag (-o3 instead of -O3) somewher in
/etc/make.conf, $CFLAGS or $CXXFLAGS...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Xargs error on boot new installation.

2003-07-25 Thread Kevin Hayes

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:07:03 +0200
Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> * Kevin Hayes (2003-07-25 07:43 +0200)
> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 00:54:21 +0200
> > Thorsten Kampe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> * Kevin Hayes (2003-07-24 07:29 +0200)
> >>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:44:15 -0400
> >>> Robert Kruus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:15:54 +1000 it is rumored that Kevin Hayes
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Have just installed G2 using stage1-x86-20030717.tar.bz2 and get
> > the following during boot, can anyone shed some light on the
> > xargs: error message,
> 
> > * Configuring kernel parameters...  [ ok ]
> > * Cleaning /var/lock, /var/run...
> > xargs: environment is too large for exec[ ok ]
> > * Cleaning /tmp directory...[ ok ]
> 
>  Check the gentoo bugzilla.. 
> 
> >>> The module messages were generated by /etc/modules.devfs,
> >>> but the "xargs" error message is still there.
> 
> >> You mean it's supposed to disappear magically "somehow"?
> >> "Check the gentoo bugzilla" would have led to:
> >> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23569
> 
> >> bootmisc 1.32 (2003/06/23) from CVS fixes the bug:
> >> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/sys-apps/baselayout/files/rc-scripts-1.4.3.9.tar.bz2?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain
> 
> > Bug has already been pointed out to me by others,
> 
> You mean the fact that this is a bug (which is more than obvious)? My
> point was about "check the gentoo bugzilla" (Robert Kruus) which would
> have enlightened you that updating baselayout doesn't fix anything.
> 
> > you obviously didn't bother reading the thread and are jumping in at the end
> > of a thread you haven't read.
> 
> Twice wrong.
> 
> > It really is a waste of bandwidth doing this, if you can't add something
> > constructive,
> 
> You mean a deep link to the bugzilla thread and the bootmisc from CVS
> (where the bug is fixed) isn't "constructive" enough for you?
> 
> > without sarcasm you shouldn't bother replying.
> 
> Thanks, I'll keep that in mind (score adjusted).
> 
> 
> Thorsten
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[gentoo-user] gcc question

2003-07-25 Thread Travis Roy

I'm having problems compiling some stuff and I get this error

gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations

Where is that specified so I can fix it? This is during an emerge -u

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Re: [gentoo-user] Online package list differs from emerge cache

2003-07-25 Thread Molnar Peter

On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 03:49, Marius Mauch wrote:
> In case you've synced multiple times on the same day: don't sync more
> than two or three times per day, it puts quite a load on the servers.
> Check out http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030512-newsletter.xml for
> more information.
> 
> Marius
> 
 OK, I don't do that again... I just hoped that the package became
available just about when I was checking so maybe the mirror was not in
sync.

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Re: [gentoo-user] getting giFT to work properly

2003-07-25 Thread Janne Johansson

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:45:43 -0500
Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Do you have any problems with the giFT daemon randomly dying?

I do, but I don't know what to do about it. Could it be the compile
flags or the giFT-settings?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Live cd as "rescue" cd andkernel/lilo/framebuffer problems

2003-07-25 Thread Theofilos Intzoglou

  It really takes a lot of time to compile the whole kde environment and
if you say that you stop the compiling and restart it, it should take a
lot more as the package that the emerge was compiling when you stopped
it will be compiled again from the start. One thing that might help a
bit is to emerge ccache and add in FEATURES in make.conf the ccache
option (don't forget to change the default size it uses for cache in
make.conf).
  I don't really know a lot about framebuffer (the only thing I know for
sure is that it doesn't work very well on my computer :-P) but I could
make a suggestion about what you might be forgetting when recompiling
the kernel. If you are using lilo for boot manager then after each 'make
bzImage modules modules_install' you should do the following:

mount /boot
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/nameofthekernel
vi /etc/lilo.conf (to add an entry for the new kernel you have named
nameofthekernel) (optional if you overwrite the old kernel with the new
one)
lilo (THIS IS IMPORTANT)
umount /boot

and you are ready to go. You probably forgot to run lilo after copying
the new kernel.
  I hope that helps!

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:18:02 +0200
Stefano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all, after I've solved my make.conf problems (with your help :-))
> I've begun  the long, long world compilation. My little k6-2 @ 475 mhz
> with 192 mb ram laptop has exited from stage 1 on sunday, exited from
> building X on tuesday and from tuesday it's still compiling kde (!).
> With only fews and quickly stops: is it normal?
> Well, but my problem is that on console 2, while on console 1 kde was
> growing,  I've begun to play with the kernel conf file. In fact when
> I've compiled my gentoo kernel for the first time, I must have
> mistaken something in the usb configuration, since my laptop's
> external usb mouse won't work. Therefore I've stopped the kde
> compiling process and I've started a new kernel compilation. However
> when I've rebooted the laptop I still have had the some problems with
> framebuffer described before: my screen has gone out of sync. Panic.
> Then I've rebooted my laptop from live-cd and then mounted my root
> partition under /gentoo as I did during installation process. After
> this,  I did:
> # chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash
> # env-update
> # source /etc/profile
> and I've tried to recompile my kernel. During this new compilation
> process I've received strange messages about skew clock and date in
> the future. I suppose it's caused by gmt/local date settings: my
> system is configured with "local" setting, and live cd system perhaps
> is gmt. However, after compilation of the new kernel (without
> framebuffer), I have given a cp from /arch/i386/boot/bzImage to 
> /boot, but when I've rebooted I've obtained the same blank screen
> problem I've had before. I've realized that, perhaps, my mistake was
> that I've forgotten to mount the /boot partition (correct?). So I've
> rebooted one more time, followed all steps that I've described before 
> plus mounting the boot partition. Because of the late time, I've
> preferred to send back the compilation of kernel and to resume with
> kde. And now, while I'm writing, my laptop still compiling kde.
> I hope you will excuse me for this long description, I step now to the
> 
> questions:
> When I boot my machine I'd like to have the same nice resolution and
> gentoo logo of live-cd. How can I obtain it? I'd like to have the same
> autoconfig and hardware recognition features too, so how can I set my
> kernel as the live-cd kernel? What's about lilo.conf? I've tried a lot
> of settings and played with vga entry, but without success. I've
> readed the manual for lilo but it didn't help. Is it correct to
> continue the kde compilation under the live cd ambient? Naturally
> after the chroot procedure that I've described. I've a logitec usb
> wireless mouse. It works fine with live cd, but what I've lost in my
> own kernel configuration to abtain it to works? What's about the skew
> time messages? How can configure correctly my date/time while I'm
> under live-cd rescue? In the past, I've got a lot of problems with
> modules configuration, so I prefer to have all compiled directly into
> the kernel: is it too heavy for my laptop? Because one time I've
> received a message from lilo about the "too big dimensions" of the
> kernel? Finally, how can I recover correctly and fastly all this
> situation once that the compilation of kde will be finished?
> Still sorry for the lenght and confusion of this message. I hope in
> your aid. Thanks
> Stefano
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc missing but it is somehwre !?

2003-07-25 Thread Theofilos Intzoglou

After emerging the new gcc you might want to do a 'source /etc/profile'
to update your paths for the new version of gcc.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:45:34 +0300
raptor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have very strange problem see below (this is session trought ssh). I
> have just emerged gcc (to be sure), and everything went ok !! The
> interesting thing is that if i do "make menuconfig" directly on the
> console it succeeds !!! any idea..
> (i'm succesfully emerging packges w/o any problems, no matter that i
> dont see gcc around )
> 
> ==
> /usr/src/linux# make menuconfig
> rm -f include/asm
> ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
> make -C scripts/lxdialog all
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5/scripts/lxdialog'/bin/sh: line 1:
> gcc: command not found
>  
> >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.
> >>
> >> You must have Ncurses installed in order
> >> to use 'make menuconfig'
>  
> make[1]: *** [ncurses] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5/scripts/lxdialog' make: ***
> [menuconfig] Error 2
> 
> (* no problems with ncurses they are installed)
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5 # whereis gcc
> gcc:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5 # ls /usr/bin/gc*
> ls: /usr/bin/gc*: No such file or directory
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5 # emerge -p gcc
>  
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>  
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild   R  ] sys-devel/gcc-3.2.1-r6
> 
> #updatedb
> # locate gcc | grep bin
> /arh/portage/distfiles/j2sdk-1.4.1-01-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin
> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.1/include/java/security/Domain
> Combiner.h/usr/sbin/gcc-config
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/c++
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/g++
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/g77
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/cpp
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcc
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcj
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gij
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcjh
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcov
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/rmic
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/c++filt
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/addr2name.awk
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/jv-scan
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gcj-jar
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/gccbug
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-c++
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-g77
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/grepjar
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/jv-convert
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/jcf-dump
> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.2/rmiregistry
> /usr/share/doc/gcc-3.2.1-r6/i686-pc-linux-gnu/libstdc++-v3/html/27_io
> /binary_iostreams_kuehl.txt/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.2.1-r6/i686-pc-linux-
> gnu/libstdc++-v3/html/27_io/binary_iostreams_kanze.txt
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] read and send ISP mail via Squirrelmail (+sylpheed-claws, mutt?)

2003-07-25 Thread Theofilos Intzoglou

  I don't know anything about squirrelmail but I have used
sylpheed-claws and mutt for some time. They can share the same mail
folder if you set the mailbox type in .muttrc to be MH. However there is
a small problem with marking the mails as read, unread or replied. Eg.
If you read your mails with mutt and then open sylpheed all those mails
will appear again as unread. If you don't mind that, there should be no
problem.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:25:21 +
Devios McShady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am a small step above a complete noob when it comes to Linux.  I am
> seeking guidance and very detailed information in setting up my system
> so I can read and send email addressed to and sent from my ISP email
> (POP/SMTP) account.
> 
> I already have Apace/PHP/SquirrelMail installed and working on my
> system.
> 
> I assume that I need some kind of scheduled process to download my ISP
> mail (download my mail from my ISP's pop mail server) on regular
> intervals and deliver it to the squirrelmail inbox.
> 
> I am also assuming that I need some sort of scheduled process to take
> mail that I send from squirrelmail and send it from my ISP account
> (connect to my isp's SMTP server and send all mail) on regular
> intervals.
> 
> I need to know what I need in addition to squirrelmail and how to
> configure these and squirrelmail to accomplish this.  The Gentoo
> Desktop Configuration help guide was unclear to me.  Assuming I get
> the help I need, I will attempt to contact the author and explain why
> it was unclear and give my reccomendations so I can pass along the
> favor to the community.
> 
> The guide seemed to suggest that fetchmail and courier-imap somehow
> came into the mix in some way that I do not understand.
> 
> Here's the extra credit question: Since I access my system remotely
> via web and ssh, and use a GUI when I'm local, can I also throw mutt
> and sylpheed-claws into this equation and have
> mutt/sylpheed/squirrelmail all share the same inbox and sent folders? 
> THAT would truly be an accomplishment and is something I would like to
> make happen if possible.  Minimally, I'd like to have sylpheed and
> mutt share the same folders and synchronize with the squirrelmail
> folders (keep in mind that some messages will be sent from
> squirrelmail, so syncronization is a two-way thing).  I would need
> some specifics on how to configure mutt and sylpheed-claws to share
> folders; my web searches and research and manual reading has been
> extremely frustrating due to my noobishness.
> 
> aTdHvAaNnKcSe for any assistance,
> 
> Devi0s
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Re: [gentoo-user] read and send ISP mail via Squirrelmail (+ sylpheed-claws, mutt?)

2003-07-25 Thread John Kennis

Hi,

Have a look at gentoo forums: 
Email System For The Home Network - Version 1.3 
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=56633

It is a great guide and I believe it describes everything you want to do.

regards,
John

On Friday 25 July 2003 01:25, Devios McShady wrote:
> I am a small step above a complete noob when it comes to Linux.  I am
> seeking guidance and very detailed information in setting up my system so I
> can read and send email addressed to and sent from my ISP email (POP/SMTP)
> account.
>
> I already have Apace/PHP/SquirrelMail installed and working on my system.
>
> I assume that I need some kind of scheduled process to download my ISP mail
> (download my mail from my ISP's pop mail server) on regular intervals and
> deliver it to the squirrelmail inbox.
>
> I am also assuming that I need some sort of scheduled process to take mail
> that I send from squirrelmail and send it from my ISP account (connect to
> my isp's SMTP server and send all mail) on regular intervals.
>
> I need to know what I need in addition to squirrelmail and how to configure
> these and squirrelmail to accomplish this.  The Gentoo Desktop
> Configuration help guide was unclear to me.  Assuming I get the help I
> need, I will attempt to contact the author and explain why it was unclear
> and give my reccomendations so I can pass along the favor to the community.
>
> The guide seemed to suggest that fetchmail and courier-imap somehow came
> into the mix in some way that I do not understand.
>
> Here's the extra credit question: Since I access my system remotely via web
> and ssh, and use a GUI when I'm local, can I also throw mutt and
> sylpheed-claws into this equation and have mutt/sylpheed/squirrelmail all
> share the same inbox and sent folders?  THAT would truly be an
> accomplishment and is something I would like to make happen if possible. 
> Minimally, I'd like to have sylpheed and mutt share the same folders and
> synchronize with the squirrelmail folders (keep in mind that some messages
> will be sent from squirrelmail, so syncronization is a two-way thing).  I
> would need some specifics on how to configure mutt and sylpheed-claws to
> share folders; my web searches and research and manual reading has been
> extremely frustrating due to my noobishness.
>
> aTdHvAaNnKcSe for any assistance,
>
> Devi0s
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Re: [gentoo-user] PHP or Perl

2003-07-25 Thread Daniel Jaeggi

On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 09:37:57AM +0200, Sigurd Gartmann wrote:
> 
> You should also take a look at python and mod_python. If you need templating, 
> Cheetah is a good templating tool for mod_python. That is my favourite.
> 
> I have used perl, php and python for web applications, and will say that php 
> is easy to use, perl lets you do anything you want, and python gives you 
> control over your code.
> 
> I use to say that you should use a language that is built for your task, you 
> do not always need the hammer.
> 

They're all good choices and I've used Perl and Python for various
projects. I personally favour Python at the minute (in conjunction with
a template tool - there are lots to choose from and to suit various
styles) just because large Perl applications can get _really_ messy,
especially if you're not that experienced with it. But for small
projects, fine. I think the same goes for PHP - if it's small, it's OK
but if there is substantial back-end code being executed, you're better
off elsewhere (that's not from personal experience, from a colleague!).

What's also really neat (and I've only played a little with this) is
using Jython to create servlets run on Tomcat. You can retain all your
Python code base and with some little modifications, get it to run like
Java with all its benefits (or otherwise!).

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[gentoo-user] Re: Some init.d problems

* Paulo da Silva (2003-07-25 02:28 +0200)
> I am trying to start hdparm before checkroot during
> the booting process. So, I put "before *" in the hdparm
> script and "after hdparm" in the checkroot.
> I used rc-update as follows:
> rc-update del hdparm
> rc-update del checkroot
> rc-update add hdparm boot
> rc-update add checkroot boot

> but I didn't get the efect I pretend!
> Am I doing anything wrong?


Did you read the "Gentoo Linux rc-script Guide"?
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rc-scripts.xml)

"Note: These two types are only valid during a runlevel change."

Thorsten
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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

On Friday 25 July 2003 17:10, Stefano Marinelli wrote:
> Alle 05:30, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, Jason Stubbs ha scritto:
> > -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpmath=sse". I was using -O3 but read
> > that it can be slower than -O2 on systems that don't have a large CPU
> > cache. I believe that the cache on my system is only 64K and so tried
>
> slower in compiling or the resulting program?

slower in compiling AND the resulting program. -O3 only adds 
-fomit-frame-pointer and -finline-functions to -O2's set of optimizations. 
-finline-functions will try to inline all functions based on the resulting 
code size of each function. On machine's with small CPU cache this can cause 
a dramatic cache penalty when a block of code is larger than the cache size. 
Compiling is a little slower too as the compiler needs to figure out what it 
should try inlining and what it shouldn't.

What I read said that a machine with a "small cache"... But what is a small 
cache? I've read that Athlon XP has a 64k internal cache and I believe 
Pentiums (not Celerons) have a 512kb internal cache. So, 64k sounds pretty 
small to me! ;-) You'll have to check whether Athlon MP is the same or not.

Actually, I'm not certain if there's much difference in the RUNNING speed of 
the applications on my system, but the LOADING times are much faster. 
However, this could just be due to smaller executables and a slow (? ~40MB/s 
cached) hard drive. Nor have I done any strict testing.

Jason

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Re: [gentoo-user] recommended CFLAGS for Dual Athlon MP 2200

2003-07-25 Thread Stefano Marinelli

Alle 05:30, venerdì 25 luglio 2003, Jason Stubbs ha scritto:
> -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpmath=sse". I was using -O3 but read
> that it can be slower than -O2 on systems that don't have a large CPU
> cache. I believe that the cache on my system is only 64K and so tried

slower in compiling or the resulting program?

Stefano


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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Xargs error on boot new installation.