Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia acceleration problem

[Rumen Yotov]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 09:06, Ernie Schroder wrote:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:19 am, Rumen Yotov wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > i've been trying to get hardware graphics acceleration working.
> > > i've read the dox & looked at the more obvious things (i hope).
> > > my graphics card is 'GeForce4 MX440 w AGP 8x'.
> > >
> > > first, i tried using Gentoo's emerges 'nvidia-kernel' &
> > > 'nvidia-glx'; in XF86Config, i commented 'load "dri"' & changed
> > > to 'Driver "nvidia"'; i also did 'opengl-update nvidia' &
> > > 'modprobe nvidia'.
> > > 'startx' started KDE, but once started it became very slow, then
> > > stopped.
> > >
> > > second, i tried using Nvidia's own 'run' file; X wouldn't start
> > > at all.
> > >
> > >  3  things seem to be wrong.
> > >
> > > (1) the Gentoo approach doesn't create the correct libs:
> > > there's a list in the Nvidia README & most of them aren't where
> > > they sb: eg  /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.x.y.z
> > > is missing &  ditto/libglx.so ->
> > > /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/extensions/libglx.so , not to
> > > ditto/libglx.so.x.y.z , as the Nvidia doc says it shd; similarly
> > > for  /usr/lib/libGL.so.x.y.z  &  ditto/libGLcore.ditto . they are
> > > correctly in place after the Nvidia 'run' file is used.
> > >
> > > (2) the Nvidia README says installation shd create files in  /dev
> > > , ie  nvidia0 1 2 3 ctl , which weren't there with either method
> > > of install'n.
> > >
> > > (3)  /var/log/XFree86.0.log  says "module(s) glx/nvidia compiled
> > > for 4.0.2", whereas all the other modules loaded were compiled
> > > for 4.3.0 . back with my usual working system (software
> > > acceler'n),
> > > modules 'glx' & 'nv' are compiled for 4.3.0 .
> > > the log does claim that "AGP 8x was successfully initialised".
> > >
> > > problem (1) seems to be with Gentoo's ebuilds;
> > > (2) mb with something like devfs, which i've never had to look
> > > into; (3) may mean i need to compile the modules specially
> > > myself: i've never compiled a kernel or module explicitly
> > > (Nvidia's 'run' compiled the interface this time),
> > > but i'm always willing to learn to do new things.
> > >
> > > any suggestions wb most gratefully received.
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm using Nvidia GeForce4-MX-440-SE with kernels: 2.4.20-rX, 2.4.22
> > and 2.4.23.
> > Had to install it on initial install and after that to recompile it
> > for each new kernel, All went OK, just follow the docs
> > /Desktop-guide i think/. No problems for me. Maybe you should check
> > the docs again. Hope that helps.
> > Rumen.
> >
> >
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>   You're not using a KT133 based motherboard, are you? Using any
> AGP at all, locked up my kt133 box every time I tried to use a GLX
> app. Nforce2 based boards ROCK with Nvidia graphics cards, but VIA
> board are problematic.

Hi Ernie,

It's a home machine. I'm using K7VM2 - Asrock motherboard, based on VIA 
chipset.
But not using build-in-video /S3-Savage8 i think/, nor the build-in NIC -  
VIAPro or something. The video is using main-ram and isn't good and with the 
NIC had problems with Debian. My other OS.
So put some generic Realtec-/8139too/ NIC and external GeForce MX-440SE on 
AGPx4, disabled both the build-in's NIC and video. That's all.
Initially had many problems, until updated the BIOS, and even then I'm using 
rather conservative BIOS settings, but it happened to leave the system 
working for a day or two no hardware problems. I've also heard that 
VIA-boards are problematic but still mine works rather well.
Bye.
Rumen.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia acceleration problem

[Ian Truelsen]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:06:08 -0500
Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   You're not using a KT133 based motherboard, are you? Using any
> AGP at all, locked up my kt133 box every time I tried to use a GLX 
> app. Nforce2 based boards ROCK with Nvidia graphics cards, but VIA 
> board are problematic.

I have a kt133 mobo with an nVidia card. Everything seems to be working
fine, though I get occasional problems with X not being able to open the
display to launch apps. This forces me to restart X, but nothing that
locks up the computer proper.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia acceleration problem

[Ernie Schroder]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 12:19 am, Rumen Yotov wrote:
> On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > i've been trying to get hardware graphics acceleration working.
> > i've read the dox & looked at the more obvious things (i hope).
> > my graphics card is 'GeForce4 MX440 w AGP 8x'.
> >
> > first, i tried using Gentoo's emerges 'nvidia-kernel' &
> > 'nvidia-glx'; in XF86Config, i commented 'load "dri"' & changed
> > to 'Driver "nvidia"'; i also did 'opengl-update nvidia' &
> > 'modprobe nvidia'.
> > 'startx' started KDE, but once started it became very slow, then
> > stopped.
> >
> > second, i tried using Nvidia's own 'run' file; X wouldn't start
> > at all.
> >
> >  3  things seem to be wrong.
> >
> > (1) the Gentoo approach doesn't create the correct libs:
> > there's a list in the Nvidia README & most of them aren't where
> > they sb: eg  /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.x.y.z 
> > is missing &  ditto/libglx.so ->
> > /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/extensions/libglx.so , not to 
> > ditto/libglx.so.x.y.z , as the Nvidia doc says it shd; similarly
> > for  /usr/lib/libGL.so.x.y.z  &  ditto/libGLcore.ditto . they are
> > correctly in place after the Nvidia 'run' file is used.
> >
> > (2) the Nvidia README says installation shd create files in  /dev
> > , ie  nvidia0 1 2 3 ctl , which weren't there with either method
> > of install'n.
> >
> > (3)  /var/log/XFree86.0.log  says "module(s) glx/nvidia compiled
> > for 4.0.2", whereas all the other modules loaded were compiled
> > for 4.3.0 . back with my usual working system (software
> > acceler'n),
> > modules 'glx' & 'nv' are compiled for 4.3.0 .
> > the log does claim that "AGP 8x was successfully initialised".
> >
> > problem (1) seems to be with Gentoo's ebuilds;
> > (2) mb with something like devfs, which i've never had to look
> > into; (3) may mean i need to compile the modules specially
> > myself: i've never compiled a kernel or module explicitly
> > (Nvidia's 'run' compiled the interface this time),
> > but i'm always willing to learn to do new things.
> >
> > any suggestions wb most gratefully received.
>
> Hi,
> I'm using Nvidia GeForce4-MX-440-SE with kernels: 2.4.20-rX, 2.4.22
> and 2.4.23.
> Had to install it on initial install and after that to recompile it
> for each new kernel, All went OK, just follow the docs
> /Desktop-guide i think/. No problems for me. Maybe you should check
> the docs again. Hope that helps.
> Rumen.
>
>
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You're not using a KT133 based motherboard, are you? Using any
AGP at all, locked up my kt133 box every time I tried to use a GLX 
app. Nforce2 based boards ROCK with Nvidia graphics cards, but VIA 
board are problematic.
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Re: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[David H. Askew]

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 07:01, Pierre-François Gomez wrote:
> At Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:22:10 -0800,
> Alan wrote:
> > /me makes a note to add eupdatedb into cron.
> 
> Yes,  i was thinking about it, too, as i just discovered 'esearch' (thanks
> to this thread).
> 
> Just copying /etc/cron.daily/slocate and editing it slightly should do ;-)

also, if you look in /usr/share/doc/esearch-/ you will see a
pre-made cron-script that you can drop in /etc/cron.daily 


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Re: [gentoo-user] gaining on my odd crashes

[Ernie Schroder]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 10:05 pm, Marshal Newrock wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Ernie Schroder wrote:
> >  H, I might be making progress on my random crashes. I asked
> > earlier about doing emerge -e kde and was thinking about going a
> > head with that but kdelibs was blocking glibc. I was still in the
> > mood to give it a go so I did
> > # emerge -C kdelibs
> > This, of course rendered kde useless. Rather than go the whole
> > rebuild route I then rebuilt kdelibs. I restarted kde about 10
> > hours ago and so far so good.
> > My major problem now is that it seems the only way I can start
> > kde since installing windowmaker it to start kdm as root and log
> > in to a kde session from there. Can I simply rename or move my
> > ~/.xinitrc and then $ $ startx
> > to start kde?
> > startkde returns DISPLAY errors
>
> See my xinitrc below.  Most of the time I just run kde (with
> startx), but sometimes I want a different desktop manager, and can
> do it with 'startx -- :1'.  Someone creative could likely do far
> more with .xinitrc than I have.
>
> .xinitrc:
> #!/bin/bash
>
> case "$DISPLAY" in
>
>   :0) exec /usr/kde/3.1/bin/startkde;;
>   :1) exec /usr/bin/fluxbox -display :1;;
>   :2) exec /usr/bin/gnome-session -display :2;;
>
> esac


 Cool! Thanks Marshal. I'll give that a try tomorrow
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Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia acceleration problem

[Rumen Yotov]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 05:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i've been trying to get hardware graphics acceleration working.
> i've read the dox & looked at the more obvious things (i hope).
> my graphics card is 'GeForce4 MX440 w AGP 8x'.
>
> first, i tried using Gentoo's emerges 'nvidia-kernel' & 'nvidia-glx';
> in XF86Config, i commented 'load "dri"' & changed to 'Driver "nvidia"';
> i also did 'opengl-update nvidia' & 'modprobe nvidia'.
> 'startx' started KDE, but once started it became very slow, then stopped.
>
> second, i tried using Nvidia's own 'run' file; X wouldn't start at all.
>
>  3  things seem to be wrong.
>
> (1) the Gentoo approach doesn't create the correct libs:
> there's a list in the Nvidia README & most of them aren't where they sb:
> eg  /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.x.y.z  is missing
> &  ditto/libglx.so -> /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/extensions/libglx.so ,
> not to  ditto/libglx.so.x.y.z , as the Nvidia doc says it shd;
> similarly for  /usr/lib/libGL.so.x.y.z  &  ditto/libGLcore.ditto .
> they are correctly in place after the Nvidia 'run' file is used.
>
> (2) the Nvidia README says installation shd create files in  /dev ,
> ie  nvidia0 1 2 3 ctl , which weren't there with either method of
> install'n.
>
> (3)  /var/log/XFree86.0.log  says "module(s) glx/nvidia compiled for
> 4.0.2", whereas all the other modules loaded were compiled for 4.3.0 .
> back with my usual working system (software acceler'n),
> modules 'glx' & 'nv' are compiled for 4.3.0 .
> the log does claim that "AGP 8x was successfully initialised".
>
> problem (1) seems to be with Gentoo's ebuilds;
> (2) mb with something like devfs, which i've never had to look into;
> (3) may mean i need to compile the modules specially myself:
> i've never compiled a kernel or module explicitly
> (Nvidia's 'run' compiled the interface this time),
> but i'm always willing to learn to do new things.
>
> any suggestions wb most gratefully received.
Hi,
I'm using Nvidia GeForce4-MX-440-SE with kernels: 2.4.20-rX, 2.4.22 and 
2.4.23.
Had to install it on initial install and after that to recompile it for each 
new kernel, All went OK, just follow the docs /Desktop-guide i think/.
No problems for me. Maybe you should check the docs again.
Hope that helps.
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[gentoo-user] vipul's razor won't install

[rd]

I just tried to emerge 'razor'  --  with this result.   Any help is
greatly appreciated, as I am not literate w/ ebuild internals.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] # emerge razor
Calculating dependencies ...done!
>>> emerge (1 of 1) net-mail/razor-2.12 to /
>>> md5 src_uri ;-) razor-agents-2.12.tar.gz
perl-module
perl-module
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking razor-agents-2.12.tar.gz to
/var/tmp/portage/razor-2.12/work
>>> Source unpacked.
perl-module
Checking if your kit is complete...
Looks good
Writing Makefile for razor-agents
Makefile:476: *** missing separator.  Stop.

!!! ERROR: net-mail/razor-2.12 failed.
!!! Function perl-module_src_compile, Line 49, Exitcode 2
!!! compilation failed

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RE: [gentoo-user] Nvidia acceleration problem

[Jason Stubbs]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:57 PM
> i've been trying to get hardware graphics acceleration 
> working. i've read the dox & looked at the more obvious 
> things (i hope). my graphics card is 'GeForce4 MX440 w AGP 8x'.
> 
> first, i tried using Gentoo's emerges 'nvidia-kernel' & 
> 'nvidia-glx'; in XF86Config, i commented 'load "dri"' & 
> changed to 'Driver "nvidia"'; i also did 'opengl-update 
> nvidia' & 'modprobe nvidia'. 'startx' started KDE, but once 
> started it became very slow, then stopped.

Have you tried the nv driver to see if the same thing happens with that?
Have you looked at top to get some insight as to where the bottleneck
is?

> second, i tried using Nvidia's own 'run' file; X wouldn't 
> start at all.
> 
>  3  things seem to be wrong.
>  
> (1) the Gentoo approach doesn't create the correct libs: 
> there's a list in the Nvidia README & most of them aren't 
> where they sb: eg  
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.x.y.z  is missing 
> &  ditto/libglx.so -> 
> /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/extensions/libglx.so , not to  
> ditto/libglx.so.x.y.z , as the Nvidia doc says it shd; 
> similarly for  /usr/lib/libGL.so.x.y.z  &  
> ditto/libGLcore.ditto . they are correctly in place after the 
> Nvidia 'run' file is used.

This is correct functionality. Nvidia's own 'run' file blindly replaces
the existing software opengl implementation. The Gentoo ebuild stops
this occuring by placing the libraries in different locations and then
using symlinks. That is what opengl-update is for.

> (2) the Nvidia README says installation shd create files in  
> /dev , ie  nvidia0 1 2 3 ctl , which weren't there with 
> either method of install'n.

I can't check on this at the moment coz I'm still at work (for the last
26 hours) but I seem to remember a single nvidia0 entry in my /dev.

> (3)  /var/log/XFree86.0.log  says "module(s) glx/nvidia 
> compiled for 4.0.2", whereas all the other modules loaded 
> were compiled for 4.3.0 . back with my usual working system 
> (software acceler'n), modules 'glx' & 'nv' are compiled for 
> 4.3.0 . the log does claim that "AGP 8x was successfully initialised".

That is also correct behaviour. The modules are built for 4.0.2 for
compatibility with older distributions (such as Debian stable ;-) but
will work fine with XFree86 4.3.0 as well.

> problem (1) seems to be with Gentoo's ebuilds;

Nope

> (2) mb with something like devfs, which i've never had to look into;

Maybe

> (3) may mean i need to compile the modules specially myself: 

Nope

> i've never compiled a kernel or module explicitly (Nvidia's 
> 'run' compiled the interface this time), but i'm always 
> willing to learn to do new things.

Wouldn't help

> any suggestions wb most gratefully received.

As per the Nvidia readme file, try running without AGP, turning it on
again and increasing the speed. Also try using the 'other' AGP driver.
e.g. compile the kernel with agp as a module and add a line to your
XF86Config to specify which driver to use.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mapping hostname to a non routable ip addy

[Joshua Banks]

--- mathieu perrenoud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...]
> 
> > Internally you run a web server at 192.168.1.1 and a mail server at
> > 192.168.1.2.
> 
> I guess your missing the point there.

I guess you could be correct, because I was simply making a guess based
on the info that he previously posted. I certainly didn't come to the
conclusion that you did. Wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't
be the last. Thanks for the correction.


> I think he wants 'ssh box1.foobar.com' routed to box1 and 'ssh 
> box2.foobar.com' routed to box2. And without port redirecting tricks
> like 
> 'ssh box1.foobar.com -p 8022', 'ssh box2.foobar.com -p 7022'.
> 
> This would involve routing based not on IP or port, but on hostname
> which is 
> encapuslated on higher protocol levels (e.g. http,ftp). And this
> surely can't 
> be achieved with iptables, shorewall or any low level based internet
> filter.

If he is in fact trying to ssh to more than one pc with only one public
ip address his choices are limited to what has already been explained
by previous responses. 
He could always tunnel vnc through ssh to one central box internally
and then ssh from there to any machine he wants.
Port redirection is a cake walk. And seems to be his only alternative
given his limited resources. Namely (one public ip address)
There's still choices that are workable to achieve his goal. Shorewall
can redirect ports via one text line per host. That would take less
than  one minute for 5-10 host's. Seems trivial to me if this is to
much work.

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[gentoo-user] Nvidia acceleration problem

[purslow]

i've been trying to get hardware graphics acceleration working.
i've read the dox & looked at the more obvious things (i hope).
my graphics card is 'GeForce4 MX440 w AGP 8x'.

first, i tried using Gentoo's emerges 'nvidia-kernel' & 'nvidia-glx';
in XF86Config, i commented 'load "dri"' & changed to 'Driver "nvidia"';
i also did 'opengl-update nvidia' & 'modprobe nvidia'.
'startx' started KDE, but once started it became very slow, then stopped.

second, i tried using Nvidia's own 'run' file; X wouldn't start at all.

 3  things seem to be wrong.
 
(1) the Gentoo approach doesn't create the correct libs:
there's a list in the Nvidia README & most of them aren't where they sb:
eg  /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.x.y.z  is missing
&  ditto/libglx.so -> /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/extensions/libglx.so ,
not to  ditto/libglx.so.x.y.z , as the Nvidia doc says it shd;
similarly for  /usr/lib/libGL.so.x.y.z  &  ditto/libGLcore.ditto .
they are correctly in place after the Nvidia 'run' file is used.

(2) the Nvidia README says installation shd create files in  /dev ,
ie  nvidia0 1 2 3 ctl , which weren't there with either method of install'n.

(3)  /var/log/XFree86.0.log  says "module(s) glx/nvidia compiled for 4.0.2",
whereas all the other modules loaded were compiled for 4.3.0 .
back with my usual working system (software acceler'n),
modules 'glx' & 'nv' are compiled for 4.3.0 .
the log does claim that "AGP 8x was successfully initialised".

problem (1) seems to be with Gentoo's ebuilds;
(2) mb with something like devfs, which i've never had to look into;
(3) may mean i need to compile the modules specially myself:
i've never compiled a kernel or module explicitly
(Nvidia's 'run' compiled the interface this time),
but i'm always willing to learn to do new things.

any suggestions wb most gratefully received.

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Re: [gentoo-user] routing & firewalling

[Eric Paynter]

Oliver Lange said:
> Is sys-apps/iproute the current routing software ?
> Is sys-apps/iproute equal to iproute or iproute2 ?

The routing and firewalling are built into the kernel, but you have
to enable them in your kernel config to take advantage of the
advanced routing and firewalling facilities. Also emerge iproute to
install a variety of tools to control the built-in router, including
tc and ip. emerge iptables to install the tools that configure it
the firewall. I don't use a routing daemon so I can't help you
there. All my routes are static.

My favourite references:

Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO:
http://lartc.org/lartc.html

Iptables Tutorial 1.1.11:
http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/tutorials/blueflux/iptables-tutorial.html

Watch for line breaks in that second URL - it's long.

Good luck!

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge mplayer problem

[Andrew Gaffney]

Roger wrote:
hi, I want to install mplayer, I got the following error, 


emerge (1 of 1) media-video/mplayer-0.91 to /
Resuming download...
Downloading
http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
--19:16:35-- 
http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2'
Resolving gentoo.oregonstate.edu... done.
Connecting to gentoo.oregonstate.edu[128.193.0.3]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not
Satisfiable
 
The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do.
This is a common problem. Remove the file 
'/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2' and then re-run emerge.

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[gentoo-user] emerge mplayer problem

[Roger]

hi, I want to install mplayer, I got the following error, 

>>> emerge (1 of 1) media-video/mplayer-0.91 to /
>>> Resuming download...
>>> Downloading
http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
--19:16:35-- 
http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2'
Resolving gentoo.oregonstate.edu... done.
Connecting to gentoo.oregonstate.edu[128.193.0.3]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not
Satisfiable
 
The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do.
 
>>> Resuming download...
>>> Downloading
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
--19:16:35-- 
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2'
Resolving distro.ibiblio.org... done.
Connecting to distro.ibiblio.org[152.2.210.109]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not
Satisfiable
 
The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do.
 
>>> Resuming download...
>>> Downloading
http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
--19:16:36-- 
http://mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/fonts/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2
   => `/usr/portage/distfiles/font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2'
Resolving mplayerhq.hu... done.
Connecting to mplayerhq.hu[192.190.173.45]:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not
Satisfiable
 
The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do.
 
!!! Couldn't download font-arial-iso-8859-2.tar.bz2. Aborting.

PLS help me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gaining on my odd crashes

[Andrew Gaffney]

Ernie Schroder wrote:
On Saturday 06 December 2003 10:09 pm, Ernie Schroder wrote:

 H, I might be making progress on my random crashes. I asked
earlier about doing emerge -e kde and was thinking about going a
head with that but kdelibs was blocking glibc. I was still in the
mood to give it a go so I did
# emerge -C kdelibs
This, of course rendered kde useless. Rather than go the whole
rebuild route I then rebuilt kdelibs. I restarted kde about 10
hours ago and so far so good.
My major problem now is that it seems the only way I can start kde
since installing windowmaker it to start kdm as root and log in to
a kde session from there. Can I simply rename or move my ~/.xinitrc
and then $ $ startx
to start kde?
startkde returns DISPLAY errors


OK, I figured out that if I edit ~/.xinitrc and comment
exec wmaker
and add the line
exec startkde
$ startx
starts kde
I probably should have actually read the .xinitrc file before asking 
stupid questions
Have you tried modifying the XSESSION variable in /etc/rc.conf?

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[Marshal Newrock]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Ernie Schroder wrote:

>H, I might be making progress on my random crashes. I asked
> earlier about doing emerge -e kde and was thinking about going a head
> with that but kdelibs was blocking glibc. I was still in the mood to
> give it a go so I did
> # emerge -C kdelibs
> This, of course rendered kde useless. Rather than go the whole rebuild
> route I then rebuilt kdelibs. I restarted kde about 10 hours ago and
> so far so good.
>   My major problem now is that it seems the only way I can start kde
> since installing windowmaker it to start kdm as root and log in to a
> kde session from there. Can I simply rename or move my ~/.xinitrc and
> then $ $ startx
> to start kde?
> startkde returns DISPLAY errors

See my xinitrc below.  Most of the time I just run kde (with startx), but
sometimes I want a different desktop manager, and can do it with 'startx
-- :1'.  Someone creative could likely do far more with .xinitrc than I
have.

.xinitrc:
#!/bin/bash

case "$DISPLAY" in
  :0) exec /usr/kde/3.1/bin/startkde;;
  :1) exec /usr/bin/fluxbox -display :1;;
  :2) exec /usr/bin/gnome-session -display :2;;
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Re: [gentoo-user] gaining on my odd crashes

[Ernie Schroder]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 10:09 pm, Ernie Schroder wrote:
>H, I might be making progress on my random crashes. I asked
> earlier about doing emerge -e kde and was thinking about going a
> head with that but kdelibs was blocking glibc. I was still in the
> mood to give it a go so I did
> # emerge -C kdelibs
> This, of course rendered kde useless. Rather than go the whole
> rebuild route I then rebuilt kdelibs. I restarted kde about 10
> hours ago and so far so good.
>   My major problem now is that it seems the only way I can start kde
> since installing windowmaker it to start kdm as root and log in to
> a kde session from there. Can I simply rename or move my ~/.xinitrc
> and then $ $ startx
> to start kde?
> startkde returns DISPLAY errors

OK, I figured out that if I edit ~/.xinitrc and comment
exec wmaker
and add the line
exec startkde
$ startx
starts kde
I probably should have actually read the .xinitrc file before asking 
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Re: [gentoo-user] USB Mouse wierdness

[Gregory Symons]

Nope, that didn't work either... I've been pulling my hair out on this
one for awhile:)

Greg

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 20:19, Dennis Allison wrote:
> Ummm... I use a different wireless mouse, but that behavior usually has to 
> do with low batteries. Try replacing the batteries.
> 
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Gregory Symons wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've got an MS wireless optical intellimouse explorer usb (sheesh that's
> > a long name:) mouse which is exhibiting some rather odd behavior. As far
> > as I can tell, the kernel is loading the mouse driver and correctly
> > recognizing the mouse, but for some reason, once I get into GNOME,
> > moving the mouse in any direction simply moves the pointer up and down,
> > while clicking any of the buttons will move the pointer to the right
> > (nothing seems to move the pointer to the left:). I had this mouse
> > working before I upgraded my kernel (though I had discovered it would
> > exhibit this behaviour if I restarted X). I can't seem to find anything
> > which can help...
> > 
> > I've pasted the relevant section of XF86Config below. If anybody would
> > like anything else, let me know.
> > 
> > Section "InputDevice"
> > 
> > # Identifier and driver
> > 
> > Identifier  "Mouse1"
> > Driver  "mouse"
> > Option "Protocol""ExplorerPS/2"
> > Option "Device"  "/dev/input/mice"
> > Option "Buttons" "7"
> > Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
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Re: [gentoo-user] esearch & emerge -s results differ

[lodger]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:25:53 +
Mike Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't know if eupdatedb will pickup ACCEPT_KEYWORDS from
> /etc/make.conf, but it does from the command line.

Mike, I just ran eupdatedb plain and emerge then picked up the -r18.


lodger root # esearch portage
[ Results for search key : portage ]
[ Applications found : 3 ]
(snip)
*  sys-apps/portage
  Latest version available: 2.0.49-r18
  Latest version installed: 2.0.49-r18
  Size of downloaded files: 231 kB
  Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
  Description: Portage ports system

Thank to you all. Eupdatedb has been added to my notes and memory.
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Re: [gentoo-user] esearch & emerge -s results differ

[lodger]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 03:19:02 +0100
Patrick Börjesson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To be able to search the most current tree of portage-packages with
> esearch you'll have to update the "database" that esearch uses. This
> is done by running'eupdatedb'. Else the database will represent the
> portage-tree as it was the latest time you ran eupdatedb.
> The reason esearch is so much faster than 'emerge -s' is that it
> creates a database to search from...
> 
> Patrick Börjesson
Thank you Patrick and Ciaran for the answers. I've been running Gentoo
for about 2 years and read this list regularly but have only heard of 
"eupdatedb" just this week. I run updatedb whenever I get a message that
the db is more than 8 days old but I have just never run across
"eupdatedb".
Thanks again.
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Re: [gentoo-user] esearch & emerge -s results differ

[Mike Williams]

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On Sunday 07 December 2003 02:05, lodger wrote:
> As you can see esearch list portage -r15 while emerge -s lists
> portage -r18.
> I've noticed this on several other packages as well. I like esearch
> since it is faster but these discrepancies bother me.
> I run ~x86. Maybe esearch only does x86.

redshat qpsmtpd # emerge -s ^portage$
Searching...
[ Results for search key : ^portage$ ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  sys-apps/portage
  Latest version available: 2.0.49-r15
  Latest version installed: 2.0.49-r15
  Size of downloaded files: 230 kB
  Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
  Description: Portage ports system


redshat qpsmtpd # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -s ^portage$
Searching...
[ Results for search key : ^portage$ ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  sys-apps/portage
  Latest version available: 2.0.49-r18
  Latest version installed: 2.0.49-r15
  Size of downloaded files: 231 kB
  Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
  Description: Portage ports system


redshat qpsmtpd # esearch ^portage$
[ Results for search key : ^portage$ ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  sys-apps/portage
  Latest version available: 2.0.49-r15
  Latest version installed: 2.0.49-r15
  Size of downloaded files: 230 kB
  Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
  Description: Portage ports system


redshat qpsmtpd # ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 eupdatedb
 * indexing: 0 ebuilds to go
 * esearch-index generated in 1 minute(s) and 10 second(s)
 * indexed 5924 ebuilds
 * size of esearch-index: 913 kB
redshat qpsmtpd # esearch ^portage$
[ Results for search key : ^portage$ ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]

*  sys-apps/portage
  Latest version available: 2.0.49-r18
  Latest version installed: 2.0.49-r15
  Size of downloaded files: 231 kB
  Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
  Description: Portage ports system


I don't know if eupdatedb will pickup ACCEPT_KEYWORDS from /etc/make.conf, but 
it does from the command line.

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Re: [gentoo-user] esearch & emerge -s results differ

[Patrick Börjesson]

> As you can see esearch list portage -r15 while emerge -s lists
> portage -r18.
> I've noticed this on several other packages as well. I like esearch
> since it is faster but these discrepancies bother me. 
> I run ~x86. Maybe esearch only does x86. 

To be able to search the most current tree of portage-packages with
esearch you'll have to update the "database" that esearch uses. This is
done by running'eupdatedb'. Else the database will represent the
portage-tree as it was the latest time you ran eupdatedb.
The reason esearch is so much faster than 'emerge -s' is that it creates
a database to search from...

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Re: [gentoo-user] esearch & emerge -s results differ

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:05:10 -0800 lodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| As you can see esearch list portage -r15 while emerge -s lists
| portage -r18.

When did you last run eupdatedb?

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[gentoo-user] gaining on my odd crashes

[Ernie Schroder]

 H, I might be making progress on my random crashes. I asked 
earlier about doing emerge -e kde and was thinking about going a head 
with that but kdelibs was blocking glibc. I was still in the mood to 
give it a go so I did 
# emerge -C kdelibs
This, of course rendered kde useless. Rather than go the whole rebuild 
route I then rebuilt kdelibs. I restarted kde about 10 hours ago and 
so far so good.
My major problem now is that it seems the only way I can start kde 
since installing windowmaker it to start kdm as root and log in to a 
kde session from there. Can I simply rename or move my ~/.xinitrc and 
then $ $ startx 
to start kde?
startkde returns DISPLAY errors
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RE: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Jason Stubbs]

-Original Message-
From: Ciaran McCreesh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 5:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support
"--pretend."


On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:19:01 +0900 "Jason Stubbs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I'm kinda wondering when that day is going to occur. Emerge used to 
| tell the user that the rsync action has been depracted but for some 
| reason that code has been commented out. Any idea on that one?

Hopefully pretty soon. I hereby vow to pester Carpaski about it on irc
at least twice per day until it's fixed.

In the mean time, I've put in bug 35218. Please feel free to add "I
agree" comments :)

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35218

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[gentoo-user] esearch & emerge -s results differ

[lodger]

As you can see esearch list portage -r15 while emerge -s lists
portage -r18.
I've noticed this on several other packages as well. I like esearch
since it is faster but these discrepancies bother me. 
I run ~x86. Maybe esearch only does x86. 

lodger root # esearch portage
[ Results for search key : portage ]
[ Applications found : 3 

(snip,snip)
*  sys-apps/portage
  Latest version available: 2.0.49-r15
  Latest version installed: 2.0.49-r15
  Size of downloaded files: 230 kB
  Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
  Description: Portage ports system


lodger root # emerge -s portage
Searching...
[ Results for search key : portage ]
[ Applications found : 3 ]

(snip,snip)

*  sys-apps/portage
  Latest version available: 2.0.49-r18
  Latest version installed: 2.0.49-r18
  Size of downloaded files: 231 kB
  Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
  Description: Portage ports system


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Re: [gentoo-user] USB Mouse wierdness

[Gregory Symons]

Ooops... thought I switched that back. Unfortunately, fixing that
doesn't make the problem go away (The ZAxisMapping you recommended
was what I had originally when I started having this problem).

Greg

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 20:23, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 01:21, Gregory Symons wrote:
> > # Identifier and driver
> >
> > Identifier  "Mouse1"
> > Driver  "mouse"
> > Option "Protocol""ExplorerPS/2"
> > Option "Device"  "/dev/input/mice"
> > Option "Buttons" "7"
> > Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"
> 
> $ grep ZAxisMapping /etc/X11/XF86Config
> Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
> 
> 1 left button
> 2 right button
> 3 middle button (wheel press)
> 4 wheel up (I think)
> 5 wheel down
> 6 and 7 are the side buttons
> 
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[gentoo-user] What about udev?

[Denny Schierz]

hi,


i red the last days that udev will be replace the devfs (kernel 2.6.)
What is with gentoo? Is there any plan to use udev instead of devfs?


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Re: [gentoo-user] ext3 problem in 2.6.0test10&11 kernels

[lodger]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 03:35:43 +0900
"Jason Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Anybody know where to file kernel bugs, btw? bugs.gentoo.org seems
> like

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[gentoo-user] mfs stoped work after installing new (last) kernel

[Paulo da Silva]

Hi.

I updated my gentoo system (emerge -U world).
I used to use mfs to transfer files between may desktop
and my laptop. It worked very fine so far.
Now, tranfering files is very slow and even crashed the
mfs - I mean I stoped seeing the other computer nodes
into /mfs !
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Re: [gentoo-user] USB Mouse wierdness

[Peter Ruskin]

On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 01:21, Gregory Symons wrote:
> # Identifier and driver
>
>     Identifier  "Mouse1"
>     Driver  "mouse"
>     Option "Protocol"    "ExplorerPS/2"
>     Option "Device"      "/dev/input/mice"
>     Option "Buttons"     "7"
>     Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"

$ grep ZAxisMapping /etc/X11/XF86Config
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"

1   left button
2   right button
3   middle button (wheel press)
4   wheel up (I think)
5   wheel down
6 and 7 are the side buttons

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Re: [gentoo-user] ext3 problem in 2.6.0test10&11 kernels

[lodger]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 03:35:43 +0900
"Jason Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Anybody know where to file kernel bugs, btw? bugs.gentoo.org seems
> like
Reporting Linux Kernel bugs
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if you want to report a Linux kernel bug. Bug reports sent to the
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Re: [gentoo-user] USB Mouse wierdness

[Dennis Allison]

Ummm... I use a different wireless mouse, but that behavior usually has to 
do with low batteries. Try replacing the batteries.

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Gregory Symons wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've got an MS wireless optical intellimouse explorer usb (sheesh that's
> a long name:) mouse which is exhibiting some rather odd behavior. As far
> as I can tell, the kernel is loading the mouse driver and correctly
> recognizing the mouse, but for some reason, once I get into GNOME,
> moving the mouse in any direction simply moves the pointer up and down,
> while clicking any of the buttons will move the pointer to the right
> (nothing seems to move the pointer to the left:). I had this mouse
> working before I upgraded my kernel (though I had discovered it would
> exhibit this behaviour if I restarted X). I can't seem to find anything
> which can help...
> 
> I've pasted the relevant section of XF86Config below. If anybody would
> like anything else, let me know.
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
> 
> # Identifier and driver
> 
> Identifier"Mouse1"
> Driver"mouse"
> Option "Protocol""ExplorerPS/2"
> Option "Device"  "/dev/input/mice"
> Option "Buttons" "7"
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"
> 
> Greg
> 
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[gentoo-user] USB Mouse wierdness

[Gregory Symons]

Hi,

I've got an MS wireless optical intellimouse explorer usb (sheesh that's
a long name:) mouse which is exhibiting some rather odd behavior. As far
as I can tell, the kernel is loading the mouse driver and correctly
recognizing the mouse, but for some reason, once I get into GNOME,
moving the mouse in any direction simply moves the pointer up and down,
while clicking any of the buttons will move the pointer to the right
(nothing seems to move the pointer to the left:). I had this mouse
working before I upgraded my kernel (though I had discovered it would
exhibit this behaviour if I restarted X). I can't seem to find anything
which can help...

I've pasted the relevant section of XF86Config below. If anybody would
like anything else, let me know.

Section "InputDevice"

# Identifier and driver

Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver  "mouse"
Option "Protocol""ExplorerPS/2"
Option "Device"  "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Buttons" "7"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"

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Re: [gentoo-user] God damn arts package...

[Brett I. Holcomb]

Larry, check out xfce4.  I have KDE 2.2.x on my Calder WS 3.1 box  which I'm 
replacing with a Gentoo box.  I run xfce4 on the Gentoo box and love it.

On Saturday 06 December 2003 19:50, you wrote:
> > USE flags only disable optional support. Sometimes arts is necessary.
> > (Well, if you consider kde to be necessary anyway...) If you want that
> > M$-style boated garbage -- kde -- then you pretty much have to pay the
> > price...
> >
> >*snip*
> >
> > Nothing to see here Larry, mve along.
>
> Larry can't argue with you there, KDE is a bloated desktop manager...Larry
> was planning on installing KDE and turning off a lot of features to make it
> run acceptably on his Pentium/200MMX w/64MB RAM.
>
> Unless a good suggestion for a desktop manager comes from this
> list...Larry's gonna have a tough time ;- )
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] God damn arts package...

[POLAX]

> USE flags only disable optional support. Sometimes arts is necessary.
> (Well, if you consider kde to be necessary anyway...) If you want that
> M$-style boated garbage -- kde -- then you pretty much have to pay the
> price...
> 
>*snip*
>
> Nothing to see here Larry, mve along.

Larry can't argue with you there, KDE is a bloated desktop manager...Larry was
planning on installing KDE and turning off a lot of features to make it run
acceptably on his Pentium/200MMX w/64MB RAM.

Unless a good suggestion for a desktop manager comes from this list...Larry's
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Re: [gentoo-user] init freezing:..proc..

[Ben Anderson]

Actually I already tried this one along with a few others.  This one gives 
the same output as Knoppix when attempting to mount w/o the -r option:

mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4,
  or too many mounted file systems
-Ben

From: Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] init freezing:..proc..
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:06:42 -0600
Ben Anderson wrote:
Hello,
I'm having a problem where init freezes after the output of:
mounting proc at /proc
I know i incorrectly edited my /etc/fstab since my last boot up.  Could 
this be the culprit(/dev/cdrom is listed twice)?

I've been using knoppix as a rescue disk, but now I can't edit my root 
partition.  I recently switched to jfs which Knoppix mounts ro fine, but I 
can't write to it.  I don't have a rescue disk or anything, since I've 
always depended on knoppix.
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Re: [gentoo-user] God damn arts package...

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:59:26 -0600 Brock Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Not exactly true, USE flags set the compile time options for a lot of
| packages. in some cases this is to disable some options, for example,
| -arts to disable arts support in XMMS, it can also be used to ADD
| functions at compile time. ie. USE='mysql' when compiling qmail may
| enable certain mysql options in the program. 

Okay, maybe I should have phrased that as "USE flags only disable
*optional* support, not *mandatory* support (and btw they also do other
things too)".

Hrm, I think we need an upgrade to English 7.0.

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Re: [gentoo-user] init freezing:..proc..

[Andrew Gaffney]

Ben Anderson wrote:
Hello,
I'm having a problem where init freezes after the output of:
mounting proc at /proc
I know i incorrectly edited my /etc/fstab since my last boot up.  Could 
this be the culprit(/dev/cdrom is listed twice)?

I've been using knoppix as a rescue disk, but now I can't edit my root 
partition.  I recently switched to jfs which Knoppix mounts ro fine, but 
I can't write to it.  I don't have a rescue disk or anything, since I've 
always depended on knoppix.
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[gentoo-user] init freezing:..proc..

[Ben Anderson]

Hello,
I'm having a problem where init freezes after the output of:
mounting proc at /proc
I know i incorrectly edited my /etc/fstab since my last boot up.  Could this 
be the culprit(/dev/cdrom is listed twice)?

I've been using knoppix as a rescue disk, but now I can't edit my root 
partition.  I recently switched to jfs which Knoppix mounts ro fine, but I 
can't write to it.  I don't have a rescue disk or anything, since I've 
always depended on knoppix.

Help?
Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] God damn arts package...

[Brock Campbell]

Not exactly true, USE flags set the compile time options for a lot of
packages. in some cases this is to disable some options, for example,
-arts to disable arts support in XMMS, it can also be used to ADD
functions at compile time. ie. USE='mysql' when compiling qmail may
enable certain mysql options in the program. 

So, the -arts option removes arts support from packages that have arts
as an "optional" component. If the arts support is required and not
optional for a package then it will remain in the dependancy tree and
get installed.  

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 16:14, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 13:38:34 -0800 (PST) "POLAX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | Larry the Cow is pissed again.
> | He SPECIFICALLY added the "-arts" to my use flag to avoid that P-o-S
> | arts package...and when I "emerge kde" one of the dependencies (that's
> | compiling right now) is...you guessed it...that M$-style bloated piece
> | of garbage - arts.
> 
> USE flags only disable optional support. Sometimes arts is necessary.
> (Well, if you consider kde to be necessary anyway...) If you want that
> M$-style boated garbage -- kde -- then you pretty much have to pay the
> price...
> 
> Similarly, if I do USE="-perl" emerge perl, I get Perl...
> 
> Nothing to see here Larry, mve along.
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Re: [gentoo-user] module parameter, and modules-update

[Peter Ruskin]

On Saturday 06 Dec 2003 21:46, Leon Fitinghoff wrote:
> > You can add this line to /etc/modules.autoload.d/:
> > it87 temp_type=0x1c
>
> Thanks, Peter - it worked.  But it should be possible to put module
> parameters in the appropriate /etc/conf.d/
> file. I wonder why it isn't..

Dunno.  Did you try quoting in /etc/conf.d/lm_sensors?

MODULE_1='it87 temp_type=0x1c'

I haven't tried it but it can't do any harm.

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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Redeeman]

i have noticed that between windows xp and my box its like 2.5mb/s with
both ftp, smb and http.

between linux and linux smb its 5mb/s
linux to linux nfs with encryåtion its 12mb/s (taking full advance of
100mbit)

if i boot up gentoo livecd on the w2k box and use http or ftp to my
gentoo installed box its 10mb/s, so its windows who is blocking. the
windows machine has broadcom.

my gentoo has realtek card.

conclusion: use linux :DD

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 22:55, Matt Garman wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 04:36:03PM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
> > On Saturday 06 December 2003 04:14 pm, Mike Arrison wrote:
> > One other thing I'm waiting to hear... how's the network configed? You
> > using NFS, SAMBA, AFS, etc?
> 
> Sorry, I meant to mention that in my original email.
> 
> But, the transfer speeds are all essentially the same using various
> protocols.  Thus far I've used the following methods to transfer files:
> 
>   - http
>   - sftp/scp (encryption overhead doesn't seem to impact
> performance)
>   - rsync
>   - samba
> 
> Thanks again!
> Matt
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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Ernie Schroder]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 04:24 pm, Mike Williams wrote:
> On Saturday 06 December 2003 20:28, Matt Garman wrote:
> > I have a 100/10 Mbps home LAN whose performance is considerably
> > less than capable.  The setup is as follows:
> >
> > - OpenBSD server with two PCI NICs (a D-Link and a Linksys).
> >   One NIC connects to the Internet, the other connects to the
> >   LAN.  (This machine provides the firewall/gateway/NAT
> >   functions.)
> > - A Linksys "Etherfast Dual-Speed 5-Port Workgroup Switch"
> > - My Linux workstation.  It's using an onboard 3Com 3c59x NIC
> >   (Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard)
> > - My roomate's Win2k box.  Also has a Linksys 100/10 PCI NIC.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Anyone have any ideas, thoughts, hints, suggestions, etc?
>
> The 3com cards are very nice, but from experience can perform
> *very* badly. It is very finicky about negotiation/duplex. I dumped
> one of mine for a cheapo realtek based one because of this.
> What sort of speed can you get between Win2K and OpenBSD with a
> crossover cable?
>
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mii-diag is a tool to use to check and set interface parameters. It 
may at least help to see where you hold up is.

I'm running the onboard nic on my Leadtek/nforce2 board and I can only 
seem to get about 400k/sec transfers I can't get it into 100 mb/full 
duplex mode. Does anyone have a suggestion? 

$ /sbin/mii-diag -G 100FD
Using the default interface 'eth0'.
SIOCGPARAMS on eth0 failed: Operation not supported

$ /sbin/mii-diag -AF eth0
 Setting the media capability advertisement register of PHY #1 to 
0x000f.
Basic registers of MII PHY #1:   784d 2000 5c30  45e1 0005 
2801.
 The autonegotiated capability is .
No common media type was autonegotiated!
This is extremely unusual and typically indicates a configuration 
error.
Perhaps the advertised capability set was intentionally limited.
 Basic mode control register 0x: Auto-negotiation disabled, with
 Speed fixed at 10 mbps, half-duplex.
 You have link beat, and everything is working OK.
 Your link partner advertised 45e1: Flow-control 100baseTx-FD 
100baseTx 10baseT-FD 10baseT, w/ 802.3X flow control.
   End of basic transceiver information.

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Re: [gentoo-user] God damn arts package...

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 13:38:34 -0800 (PST) "POLAX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Larry the Cow is pissed again.
| He SPECIFICALLY added the "-arts" to my use flag to avoid that P-o-S
| arts package...and when I "emerge kde" one of the dependencies (that's
| compiling right now) is...you guessed it...that M$-style bloated piece
| of garbage - arts.

USE flags only disable optional support. Sometimes arts is necessary.
(Well, if you consider kde to be necessary anyway...) If you want that
M$-style boated garbage -- kde -- then you pretty much have to pay the
price...

Similarly, if I do USE="-perl" emerge perl, I get Perl...

Nothing to see here Larry, mve along.

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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Matt Garman]

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 04:36:03PM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Saturday 06 December 2003 04:14 pm, Mike Arrison wrote:
> One other thing I'm waiting to hear... how's the network configed? You
> using NFS, SAMBA, AFS, etc?

Sorry, I meant to mention that in my original email.

But, the transfer speeds are all essentially the same using various
protocols.  Thus far I've used the following methods to transfer files:

- http
- sftp/scp (encryption overhead doesn't seem to impact
  performance)
- rsync
- samba

Thanks again!
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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Matt Garman]

On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:52:44PM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote:
> How's the data throughput of your hard drives? If it's low, having a
> fast network won't make getting data off or onto the hard drives any
> faster.

Nope, I've done a bit of hard drive benchmarking (using bonnie++), and
the drives certainly aren't a bottleneck.

Thanks for the idea though!

Matt

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Re: [gentoo-user] module parameter, and modules-update

[Leon Fitinghoff]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:54, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> On Friday 05 Dec 2003 04:04, Leon Fitinghoff wrote:
> > For lm_sensors, I have to load the it87 module, with the parameter
> > temp_type=0x1c
> >
> > The only place I found it87 is in /etc/conf.d/lm_sensors - but when I
> > put a parameter after the module name it has no effect.  Where / how
> > shall I put the parameter?
>
> You can add this line to /etc/modules.autoload.d/:
> it87 temp_type=0x1c
>
Thanks, Peter - it worked.  But it should be possible to put module parameters 
in the appropriate /etc/conf.d/ file. I wonder why it 
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[gentoo-user] God damn arts package...

[POLAX]

Larry the Cow is pissed again.
He SPECIFICALLY added the "-arts" to my use flag to avoid that P-o-S arts
package...and when I "emerge kde" one of the dependencies (that's compiling
right now) is...you guessed it...that M$-style bloated piece of garbage - arts.

I traced it to the /usr/portage/kde-base/kdeaddons/kdeaddons-*.ebuild files.  In
there we have 
newdepend "-kde-base/... 
~kde-base/... 
~kde-base/arts/arts-...  <---This line
~kde-base/...
..."

Shouldn't it begin with an "arts?" statement?  Is there a good reason for this? 
Does the kdeaddons package irrevocably require arts?  Maybe arts shouldn't be a
flag anymore...because Larry is ticked off by this as it defeats the whole
purpose of the "arts" flag!  Why give an option if you're not going to honor it?
Reminds him of my ex-girlfriend...ask a question for the sake of asking and
ignore the answer >- |

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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Jerry McBride]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 04:14 pm, Mike Arrison wrote:
> > On Saturday 06 December 2003 03:28 pm, Matt Garman wrote:
> > How's the data throughput of your hard drives? If it's low, having a fast
> > network won't make getting data off or onto the hard drives any faster.
>
> This doesn't sound right to me.  The slowest hard drives, with the worst
> settings, under the worst circumstances, will still beat 230KB/s by an
> order of magnitude.  And good hard drives will beat it by two orders of
> magnitude.
>
> How about the switch as the weak link?  Have you tried a crossover cable
> to directly connect two of the boxes?
>
> -Mike Arrison

I've seen some real piss poor linux installs in my time and soem of them were 
implemented as servers. You gotta' remember, that most default installs are 
very conservative. Drive throughput does impact network throughput. Simply 
enabling dma via hdparm can do wonders for network responce.

One other thing I'm waiting to hear... how's the network configed? You using 
NFS, SAMBA, AFS, etc?

Let's hear some more details.




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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

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On Saturday 06 December 2003 20:28, Matt Garman wrote:
> I have a 100/10 Mbps home LAN whose performance is considerably less
> than capable.  The setup is as follows:
>
>   - OpenBSD server with two PCI NICs (a D-Link and a Linksys).
> One NIC connects to the Internet, the other connects to the
> LAN.  (This machine provides the firewall/gateway/NAT
> functions.)
>   - A Linksys "Etherfast Dual-Speed 5-Port Workgroup Switch"
>   - My Linux workstation.  It's using an onboard 3Com 3c59x NIC
> (Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard)
>   - My roomate's Win2k box.  Also has a Linksys 100/10 PCI NIC.
[snip]
> Anyone have any ideas, thoughts, hints, suggestions, etc?

The 3com cards are very nice, but from experience can perform *very* badly. It 
is very finicky about negotiation/duplex. I dumped one of mine for a cheapo 
realtek based one because of this.
What sort of speed can you get between Win2K and OpenBSD with a crossover 
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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Mike Arrison]

> On Saturday 06 December 2003 03:28 pm, Matt Garman wrote:
> How's the data throughput of your hard drives? If it's low, having a fast 
> network won't make getting data off or onto the hard drives any faster.
This doesn't sound right to me.  The slowest hard drives, with the worst
settings, under the worst circumstances, will still beat 230KB/s by an
order of magnitude.  And good hard drives will beat it by two orders of
magnitude.

How about the switch as the weak link?  Have you tried a crossover cable
to directly connect two of the boxes?

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Re: [gentoo-user] what will happen..

[Matt Garman]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 07:20:03PM +0100, Marius Mauch wrote:
> Either others will join and continue the work or it will die, it's the
> same as with any other OSS project. Even in the commercial world there
> is no guarantee that a product line will live forever (see Redhat).
> But considering that we currently have 200-300 people working on
> Gentoo it would take a long time before that would happen.

Agreed.  And looking at the "big picture"---considering all open source
and free software---I'd have to say that it's only getting better.  More
users, more developers, more support, more exposure, etc, etc.

Of course there will be a few gems that get lost, but overall, there's
more for everyone.  And even if a good project does die, being open
source means that there's not all this political cruft attached to
it.  Anyone can pick up a dead project and bring it back to life.

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Re: [gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Jerry McBride]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 03:28 pm, Matt Garman wrote:
> I have a 100/10 Mbps home LAN whose performance is considerably less
> than capable.  The setup is as follows:
>
>   - OpenBSD server with two PCI NICs (a D-Link and a Linksys).
> One NIC connects to the Internet, the other connects to the
> LAN.  (This machine provides the firewall/gateway/NAT
> functions.)
>   - A Linksys "Etherfast Dual-Speed 5-Port Workgroup Switch"
>   - My Linux workstation.  It's using an onboard 3Com 3c59x NIC
> (Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard)
>   - My roomate's Win2k box.  Also has a Linksys 100/10 PCI NIC.
>
> The best LAN transfer speeds I can get are around 230 KB/s.  This is
> between Linux and OpenBSD as well as Win2k and OpenBSD.  Interestingly,
> between Linux and Win2k, the speed is about half that: 130 KB/s.
>
> The Linux NIC & driver appears to be functioning correctly; I checked
> its operation with mii-diag and vortex-diag [1].  I'm not aware of
> OpenBSD NIC diagnostic tools, so I don't know how to check those NICs as
> extensively.  But all three NICs (two in BSD + one in Linux) are
> operating in full-duplex 100baseTX mode.
>
> All my cables are CAT5e UTP.  Just to be sure, I bought new cables.
> Transfer speeds did not improve.
>
> I tried using a cross-over cable between OpenBSD and Linux.  No
> improvement.
>
> I also tried switching the roles of the BSD NICs (i.e. Internet NIC
> became DSL NIC and vice-versa).  No change in transfer speeds.
>
> Short of phsically moving NICs around, I'm not sure how to futher
> diagnose the problem.
>
> Anyone have any ideas, thoughts, hints, suggestions, etc?
>

How's the data throughput of your hard drives? If it's low, having a fast 
network won't make getting data off or onto the hard drives any faster.




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Re: [gentoo-user] Installation hangs continue!

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On Saturday 06 December 2003 03:33, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> On Friday 05 December 2003 09:11 pm, Jason Newquist wrote:
> > On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Jeff Smelser wrote:
> > > Define frozen for me.. You talking about lights on the keyboard don't
> > > change, can't do alt-f2,f3 and get to another terminal type freeze. Or,
> > > you can move around but the code just sits there for some reason.
> >
> > - Typing things does not put characters in the terminal window.
> > - Alt-f2,f3 do nothing.
> > - Keyboard lights do not change.
>
> You could also do a stage3 type install.. That, at least, will get you
> going.. Then maybe you can do some tests, post install and figure it out.

Aye, you can always 'emerge -e world' and recompile *everything* once you are 
running. Won't be a big deal if it freezes during glibc cos glibc will still 
be installed.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 3

[Matt Garman]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 03:06:05PM +0100, Oliver Lange wrote:
> warning: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned)'
> warning: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
> warning: undefined reference to `vtable for 
> __cxxabiv1::__si_class_type_info'
> 
> These are calls from a C function which is using a C++ class.  What's
> the difference between GCC2 and GCC3 ? Is it a missing software
> package ?

There are two things that may help:

1. Try compiling your code with g++ instead of gcc.  If you are using
new and delete, then you are writing c++ code.

2. In your header file, try to wrap your function prototypes like the
following:

#ifdef __cplusplus
extern "C" {
#endif
int some_function(int x);
char another_function(const char* s);
#ifdef __cplusplus
}
#endif

Linking is performed a bit differently for C and C++.  Using extern "C"
tells the compiler to make C++ functions visible to C.

You really can't just declare a C++ object in C.  The C language alone
knows nothing of classes, objects, function overloading, the STL and all
the other stuff C++ adds.  When you start using those features in your
c file, you may as well rename it .cc (or .cxx or .cpp or whatever
extension you use for C++ source files).  Note that that means that you
can't just wrap your C++ classes with extern "C" and expect them to be
available to regular C.

If you have some C++ source whose functionality you wish to make
available to vanilla C, you have to write some kind of interface or
wrapper code.

Look at it this way, C++ is a *superset* of C.  You can call C functions
from C++.  But you can't call C++ code from C without writing some C++
that allows you to do that.

Hope that helps,
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Re: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[nealbirch]

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:40:16 +0100
Pierre-François Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:56:37 +0100,
> Spider wrote:
> > Might I suggest a nice -n +20  too ?
> 
> It sounds like a good idea, yes ;-)

I have a little script I run called update-sync.sh

#!/bin/bash
# script to take care of housekeeping when doing 
# portage update.
#
# This is a function to do the sed stuff.
sedit()  {

TMP_FILE="/tmp/`basename $2`.$$.$RANDOM"
# this file shouldn't exist, but just in case
if [ -e "$TMP_FILE" ]; then
rm -rf $TMP_FILE
fi
cp $2 $TMP_FILE
sed "$1" $TMP_FILE > $2
rm -rf $TMP_FILE
}


# get the latest portage update

emerge sync

# check if xfce4-session is still masked; since I have
# emerged xfce4-session it will generate depends errors
# if not unmasked.
# not needed at the moment since I installed latest cvs build.
#echo "Checking if xfce4-session ebuild needs to be changed."
#echo 
#for f in `ls /usr/portage/xfce-base/xfce4-session/xfce4-session*`; do
#   test1=`grep ~x86 $f`
#   if [ ! -n "$test1" ]; then
#   sedit "s/-\*/~x86/g" $f
#   echo "Changed $f"
#   echo
#   fi
#done

# update the esearch database
echo "Updating esearch database."
echo
eupdatedb

# let's see what's new!
echo "Checking for new updates and dependencies."
echo
emerge -UupD world
# end script

The part about xfce4-session I threw in because I was having to edit the
ebuild by hand every time I did "emerge sync", it could be used for
other purposes, I suppose =)

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[gentoo-user] LAN performance issues

[Matt Garman]

I have a 100/10 Mbps home LAN whose performance is considerably less
than capable.  The setup is as follows:

- OpenBSD server with two PCI NICs (a D-Link and a Linksys).
  One NIC connects to the Internet, the other connects to the
  LAN.  (This machine provides the firewall/gateway/NAT
  functions.)
- A Linksys "Etherfast Dual-Speed 5-Port Workgroup Switch"
- My Linux workstation.  It's using an onboard 3Com 3c59x NIC
  (Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard)
- My roomate's Win2k box.  Also has a Linksys 100/10 PCI NIC.

The best LAN transfer speeds I can get are around 230 KB/s.  This is
between Linux and OpenBSD as well as Win2k and OpenBSD.  Interestingly,
between Linux and Win2k, the speed is about half that: 130 KB/s.

The Linux NIC & driver appears to be functioning correctly; I checked
its operation with mii-diag and vortex-diag [1].  I'm not aware of
OpenBSD NIC diagnostic tools, so I don't know how to check those NICs as
extensively.  But all three NICs (two in BSD + one in Linux) are
operating in full-duplex 100baseTX mode.

All my cables are CAT5e UTP.  Just to be sure, I bought new cables.
Transfer speeds did not improve.

I tried using a cross-over cable between OpenBSD and Linux.  No
improvement.

I also tried switching the roles of the BSD NICs (i.e. Internet NIC
became DSL NIC and vice-versa).  No change in transfer speeds.

Short of phsically moving NICs around, I'm not sure how to futher
diagnose the problem.

Anyone have any ideas, thoughts, hints, suggestions, etc?

Thanks,
Matt


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[gentoo-user] kernel BUG at filemap.C

[Gezim Hoxha]

Hi everybody,

It all started about a week ago...
I turned on my PC and it said:
Searching for Boot Device in floppyfailed.
Searching for Boot Device in CDROMfailed.
Searching for Boot Device in SCSIfailed.

So I thought I had a BIOS virus or something, so I
went to the BIOS and started changing stuff in Boot
Devices, but nothing worked, then I did something else
(to tell you the truth I don't know what I was doing)
and it worked, the boot loader showed up. I booted
into Windows 2000 pro. and after a few seconds it
rebooted! That's when I decied I had a bad virus
somewhere.  I booted into gentoo and it came up with
this (note debian was booting fine):

*Checking all filesystems...
/dev/hda5 was not cleanly unmounted check forced.
/dev/hda5:
Incode 471045   i_blocks is 2352 should be 168.FIXED
kernel BUG at filemap.  C:919! ==\41.1%
EIP:0010:[] not tainted.
EFLAGS: 00010046
eax:c118a9c8ebx:c0109300ecx:0018
edx:
esi: c1340618   edi:0002ebp:0001
   esp:c0129ecc

Process Swapper  (pid:0   stackpage=c0129000)
Stack: c7cfbf40  c1a727c0 c02e7f57
   7cfb40 0001 c1a727c0 c0319c1f
   c0157604 c1a727c0 c1aaf680 0001
   0286 c030e170 c1a727c0 0001
   c0157700 0028 c0157604
   c1a727c0 c0319089 0001
   c1aaf680 c01575c0

Call Trace: []  []
   [] [] [<
co310191>]
   [] []
[]
   [] []
[]
   [] []
[]

Code: 0f 0b 97 03 52 CC 41 c0 39 36
  75 0d 8b 1c 24 8b 74 24 04 83
<0>Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler!

In interrupt handler ? not syncing. 

My question(s):

Could this be a hardware problem instead of a virus?
Could I have done something stupid in the BIOS to
cause this?

Thanks in advance to everyone that may reply,

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 04:19:01 +0900 "Jason Stubbs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I'm kinda wondering when that day is going to occur. Emerge used to
| tell the user that the rsync action has been depracted but for some
| reason that code has been commented out. Any idea on that one?

Hopefully pretty soon. I hereby vow to pester Carpaski about it on irc
at least twice per day until it's fixed.

In the mean time, I've put in bug 35218. Please feel free to add "I
agree" comments :)

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35218

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[gentoo-user] recommended SATA controllers

[Alan]

I'm looking to upgrade my fileserver with a couple or three SATA drives
and a SATA controller (will upgrade the machine itself with a SATA
enabled MB sometime next year I think).

I'm wondering what people recommend for offboard SATA controllers.  I've
seen many posts on the forums that SATA raid from the silicon image
chipset doesn't work, but I'm not worried so much about RAID (will
probably use SW raid) as just having a stable set of hard drives
available.

Any suggestions for a cheap (<$100) SATA card (raid or non-raid) that is 
compatible with linux?

TIA

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Oliver Lange]

Jeff Smelser wrote:
On Saturday 06 December 2003 01:50 pm, Wolf wrote:

Extrange, somewhere in the documentation *i think man sync* says they are
really different and that "emerge rsync" should be used in most cases.


All I see was this:

   sync   Initiates a portage tree update with one of the rsync.gentoo.org 
 etc.

Well i also failed to understand that msg, but i'm currently drunk :)

However, the 'rsync' parameter should be removed from emerge. Just confusing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

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On Saturday 06 December 2003 01:50 pm, Wolf wrote:
> Extrange, somewhere in the documentation *i think man sync* says they are
> really different and that "emerge rsync" should be used in most cases.

Btw, man sync is not have anything to do with emerge. Thats a different 
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

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On Saturday 06 December 2003 01:50 pm, Wolf wrote:
> Extrange, somewhere in the documentation *i think man sync* says they are
> really different and that "emerge rsync" should be used in most cases.

All I see was this:

   sync   Initiates a portage tree update with one of the rsync.gentoo.org 
mirrors.  Note that any changes you have made to
  the portage tree will be erased.  Except for in special 
circumstances, this uses rsync to  do  the  update.   See
  make.conf(5)'s description of PORTDIR_OVERLAY for a method to 
avoid deletions.

Are you sure you saw that? Maybe that was a long time ago...
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Wolf]

Extrange, somewhere in the documentation *i think man sync* says they are 
really different and that "emerge rsync" should be used in most cases.

At 08:46 PM 12/6/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Because currently "emerge sync" and "emerge rsync" mean the same thing.
Good to know. Strange thing.. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Oliver Lange]

Because currently "emerge sync" and "emerge rsync" mean the same thing.
Good to know. Strange thing.. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] make.conf ambiguity - i486 or i686

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> -march=pentium4 should work fine now with both arch and ~arch versions
> of gcc.
>
> Jason

Excellent, cheers!

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[gentoo-user] routing & firewalling

[Oliver Lange]

Hello everyone,

Due to my positive experience with gentoo,
i'd now like to install gentoo-linux on my
router/firewall box, too, but the trouble is that
it currently runs under SuSE, where everything is
proprietary (but easy to configure).
However:

Is sys-apps/iproute the current routing software ?
Is sys-apps/iproute equal to iproute or iproute2 ?
The homepage link didn't work, so i'm asking
for the most up-to-date & commonly used routing
& firewalling software (iptables ?) and/or any
documents/howtos.
Thank you.. :)

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RE: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Jason Stubbs]

-Original Message-
From: Spider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 4:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support
"--pretend."


begin  quote
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:58:33 -0800
Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 10:28, Renat Golubchyk wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > On Saturday 06 December 2003 19:18, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >Has this been discussed? Why do I need to specify
> > >net-misc/rsync?
> > 
> > Because currently "emerge sync" and "emerge rsync" mean the same 
> > thing. See man emerge.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Renat
> 
> Ahh.so the word rsync is an option, and is also a package name, 
> hence a conflict?

Yep.  early versions of portage only allowed "category/pack" style
emerges, so it wasn't a conflict then, one word things was always a
command.

then it got simpler, and there became a conflict. Now "sync" is the
preferred way, and rsync is being deprecated. one of theese days "emerge
rsync" won't be an alias of "emerge sync" anymore, and things will work
again.

 my input 

I'm kinda wondering when that day is going to occur. Emerge used to tell
the user that the rsync action has been depracted but for some reason
that code has been commented out. Any idea on that one?

(a much humbled by the Outlook affair)
Jason Stubbs


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[gentoo-user] qms 815mr

[raptor]

anyone to have an idea how can I print with QMS-815MR printer ?!
I made some tests/tries with Knoppix w/o success even with more
generic printers w/o success. !?

tring to print directly to lp0 doesn't do it either !!

QMS is now owned by minolta, no answer from them too..

tia

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 11:08, Spider wrote:

> Yep.  early versions of portage only allowed "category/pack" style
> emerges, so it wasn't a conflict then, one word things was always a
> command.
> 
> then it got simpler, and there became a conflict. Now "sync" is the
> preferred way, and rsync is being deprecated. one of theese days "emerge
> rsync" won't be an alias of "emerge sync" anymore, and things will work
> again.

Yeah, that's perfectly cool, and sort of a sign that I'm getting a
little smarter when I tried the net-misc thing myself without asking the
question first. ;-)

Thanks for the responses!

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Spider]

begin  quote
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:58:33 -0800
Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 10:28, Renat Golubchyk wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > On Saturday 06 December 2003 19:18, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >Has this been discussed? Why do I need to specify
> > >net-misc/rsync?
> > 
> > Because currently "emerge sync" and "emerge rsync" mean the same
> > thing. See 
> > man emerge.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Renat
> 
> Ahh.so the word rsync is an option, and is also a package name,
> hence a conflict? 

Yep.  early versions of portage only allowed "category/pack" style
emerges, so it wasn't a conflict then, one word things was always a
command.

then it got simpler, and there became a conflict. Now "sync" is the
preferred way, and rsync is being deprecated. one of theese days "emerge
rsync" won't be an alias of "emerge sync" anymore, and things will work
again.


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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

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On Saturday 06 December 2003 12:58 pm, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Ahh.so the word rsync is an option, and is also a package name,
> hence a conflict?

I thought I read some where they were suppose to get rid of the rsync option 
and only have sync...

I guess they have not done it yet.. Or maybe its part of this NG thing.

Jeff
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 10:28, Renat Golubchyk wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> On Saturday 06 December 2003 19:18, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > Hi,
> >Has this been discussed? Why do I need to specify net-misc/rsync?
> 
> Because currently "emerge sync" and "emerge rsync" mean the same thing. See 
> man emerge.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Renat

Ahh.so the word rsync is an option, and is also a package name,
hence a conflict? 

Thanks,
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[gentoo-user] 2.4.20-r9 and USB

[Guy Van Sanden]

I tried to upgrade to kernel 2.4.20-r9 from -r8, but everytime, usb
fails.

I copied the /etc/config-2.4.20-gentoo-r8 file to
config-2.4.20-gentoo-r9 and ran genkernel.

When I reboot, everythin seems fine, but running lsusb gives a
segementation fault haninng the whole system.

What's going wrong?


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RE: [gentoo-user] ext3 problem in 2.6.0test10&11 kernels

[Jason Stubbs]

Unfortunately there's lots of little bugs still in the 2.6 kernels that
only get some people. Test1, 2 & 3 worked beautifully for me but both 4
& 5 wouldn't use half my hardware or was very much degraded performance.
6 & 7 were better but it's still bouncing around - even with 11 I'm
getting degraded performance on some devices. And a final release is
planned for the end of this month...

My contention is that they don't advertise how to file bug reports well
enough. Most users try the development kernels and then either find they
work and stick with them or find they don't and go back to a stable
kernel. I think that's the main reason a stable kernel isn't really
stable until it gets to about a .10 release. Ah, well.

Anybody know where to file kernel bugs, btw? bugs.gentoo.org seems like
a really bad idea...

-Original Message-
From: Simon Mushi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] ext3 problem in 2.6.0test10&11 kernels


Jerry,

Thanks for teh response...at least I am a bit more sure that me or my
machine isn;t totally crazy as one friend who had gone to 2.6.0 in a
breeze was claiming.

I guess I'll just scan the messaage boards for any other ppl with
related problems and otherwise sit tight till the final release is
made...I;m not in a big hurry 2.4 is still doing me fine.

Simon

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Jerry McBride wrote:

> On Friday 05 December 2003 07:55 pm, Simon Mushi wrote:
> > Hey people,
> >
> > So I finally managed to compile and boot up my 2.6.0-test11-r1 
> > gentoo-sources...set up nvidia drivers and my 2 sound cards and it 
> > all ran fine for about 20 minutes when for some reason I realised 
> > that my ext3 based root partition was now read-only...kinda strange 
> > I had an emerge process that crashed on some crazy error and I could

> > not create a new directory. This happened time and time again, I 
> > would be fine for about 20 minutes before the kernel raised a 
> > "ext3-fs error in start_transaction: Journal has aborted" and all my

> > file systems became read-only and I had to reboot.
> >
> > Funny thing is when I boot into my old 2.4.20-r5 kernel...it is as 
> > if nothing at all happened...my system runs fine...I took the pains 
> > to try out 2.6.0.10-test10-mm sources and same thing happened.
> >
> > Does anyone have idea as to what I can do? Is 2.6 for me?
> >
> 
> I've had the exact same problems with the mm-sources starting with 
> test9-mm4
> to the current mm patchset. My fix was to stop using mm-sources until
I can 
> convince Andrew Morton that there a problem in the patches. The latest

> 2.6.0-test11 sources has the basics of what I need all ready in it
anyways.
> 
> It's not just ext3, it's whatever you use on root that get's mounted
> read-only. The really odd thing is, under /proc/mount it clearly shows
that 
> root is mounted .
> 
> The way to fix this, after booting, is remount the root partition 
> with: mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 / -o remount,rw Remember you should 
> alter this command to fit your particular setup.
> 
> As a side note, the last, working mm-sources was 2.6.0-test9-mm2.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[Steven Elling]

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 10:46, Spider wrote:
> commence  quote
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:24:00 +0900
> "Jason Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > What the hell is this??? A read receipt maybe? Apologies to the list
> > if I'm spamming you any more of this crap. Arggg, I hate MS. There
> > software would be awesome if it actually worked, but...
> 
> 
> No, its outlook choking on email. See, I'm not allowed to use the word
> "begin" at the beginning of a line, but should use the words "start" o
> r "commence"  instead, to be microsoft compatible.
> 
> Normally I refuse, But I'll make an exception for you.
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Re: [gentoo-user] mapping hostname to a non routable ip addy

[mathieu perrenoud]

[...]

> Internally you run a web server at 192.168.1.1 and a mail server at
> 192.168.1.2.

I guess your missing the point there.
I think he wants 'ssh box1.foobar.com' routed to box1 and 'ssh 
box2.foobar.com' routed to box2. And without port redirecting tricks like 
'ssh box1.foobar.com -p 8022', 'ssh box2.foobar.com -p 7022'.

This would involve routing based not on IP or port, but on hostname which is 
encapuslated on higher protocol levels (e.g. http,ftp). And this surely can't 
be achieved with iptables, shorewall or any low level based internet filter.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Renat Golubchyk]

Hi!

On Saturday 06 December 2003 19:18, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Hi,
>Has this been discussed? Why do I need to specify net-misc/rsync?

Because currently "emerge sync" and "emerge rsync" mean the same thing. See 
man emerge.


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Re: [gentoo-user] ext3 problem in 2.6.0test10&11 kernels

[Jerry McBride]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 07:46 am, Simon Mushi wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Thanks for teh response...at least I am a bit more sure that me or my
> machine isn;t totally crazy as one friend who had gone to 2.6.0 in a
> breeze was claiming.

Well... it is a breeze... But having everything running perfectly isn't always 
as easy or guarenteed. 

What your friend has done to you is called, "dumping". He/she dumps on you in 
order to make him/her self fell better, more superior. It usually comes from 
people that are weak in th ego and limp in the libido. Not a real good friend 
in my book. If his/her installation was so easy and perfect then they should 
know the answer to your problems, right?  They haven't a clue...

The fact is, the 2.6.0 kernel source is beta. That means that there's going to 
be problems with using it on some machines. In fact, the kernel website 
doesn't even guarentee it to even compile.

> I guess I'll just scan the messaage boards for any other ppl with related
> problems and otherwise sit tight till the final release is made...I;m not
> in a big hurry 2.4 is still doing me fine.
>

If you find an answer, post it here. I'm sure to welcome the message.

My reason for going to the mm-sources in 2.6.0, is that it is more full 
featured. It had crypto-loop and synaptic support built/patched into the 
kernel sources for me... no extra steps involved and a lot less head ache. 
The later version of the vanilla 2.6.0 source, test 11 for instance, support 
synaptic touch pads percfectly, thus for me I don't really need the 
mm-sources anymore.  But it woild be interesting if I could use them.

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RE: [gentoo-user] mapping hostname to a non routable ip addy

[Jason Stubbs]

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 8:45 PM
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> On Dec 5, 2003, at 11:19 PM, Jeff Smelser wrote:
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> > On Friday 05 December 2003 10:15 pm, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
> >> What about for ssh?  Any way to do it for that?  Or will it 
> >> consider that a "man in the middle" attack?
> >
> > You can forward any port you want. Just a matter of a couple 
> > commands. When you get a firewall set up, let us know what your 
> > using. Most firewalls. I use
> > gShield, they have a config file for forwarding ports. Take just a
> > minute for
> > the config change, then rerun the script.
>
> I know about port forwarding.  I don't want to forward a different 
> port.  I want to redirect data based upon packet destination rather 
> than port.  I'm really just trying to get free IP addys ;).

Then I don't see how. Your going to be using internal numbers behind
your 
firewall. And if you try to use a internet standard address, it won't be

routed to you.. 

If I understand you correctly.

 my input 

After Joshua Bank's reply, I think I understand what he's wanting. My
guess is that after thinking about virtual servers with apache and the
like, why not do that in a more general way? Well, bad news, all dns
names resolve to the one IP address. The way virtual servers work is
that the pre-resolved dns name is transferred in the http query. Thus if
you want several web servers on an internal network behind the one
external IP address you could do it. Actually, you could probably use
the same notion for SMTP if you have really well-behaved clients and
didn't mind doing a bit (lot?) of hacking. Really, it's all more trouble
than it's worth though. Unless you don't value your time, that is...

Jason


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[gentoo-user] emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."

[Mark Knecht]

Hi,
   Has this been discussed? Why do I need to specify net-misc/rsync?

Thanks,
Mark

gandalf root # emerge -Up world
>>> --upgradeonly implies --update... adding --update to options.

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating world dependencies ...done!
[ebuild  N] sys-kernel/aa-sources-2.4.23-r1  
[ebuild U ] net-misc/rsync-2.5.7 [2.5.6-r3] 
[ebuild U ] net-www/mozilla-1.5-r1 [1.4.1] 

gandalf root # emerge -p rsync
emerge: the "sync" action does not support "--pretend."
gandalf root # emerge -p net-misc/rsync

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild U ] net-misc/rsync-2.5.7 [2.5.6-r3] 

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Re: [gentoo-user] ext3 problem in 2.6.0test10&11 kernels

[Simon Mushi]

Jerry,

Thanks for teh response...at least I am a bit more sure that me or my
machine isn;t totally crazy as one friend who had gone to 2.6.0 in a
breeze was claiming.

I guess I'll just scan the messaage boards for any other ppl with related
problems and otherwise sit tight till the final release is made...I;m not
in a big hurry 2.4 is still doing me fine.

Simon

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Jerry McBride wrote:

> On Friday 05 December 2003 07:55 pm, Simon Mushi wrote:
> > Hey people,
> >
> > So I finally managed to compile and boot up my 2.6.0-test11-r1
> > gentoo-sources...set up nvidia drivers and my 2 sound cards and it all ran
> > fine for about 20 minutes when for some reason I realised that my ext3
> > based root partition was now read-only...kinda strange I had an emerge
> > process that crashed on some crazy error and I could not create a new
> > directory. This happened time and time again, I would be fine for about 20
> > minutes before the kernel raised a "ext3-fs error in start_transaction:
> > Journal has aborted" and all my file systems became read-only and I had to
> > reboot.
> >
> > Funny thing is when I boot into my old 2.4.20-r5 kernel...it is as if
> > nothing at all happened...my system runs fine...I took the pains to try
> > out 2.6.0.10-test10-mm sources and same thing happened.
> >
> > Does anyone have idea as to what I can do? Is 2.6 for me?
> >
> 
> I've had the exact same problems with the mm-sources starting with test9-mm4 
> to the current mm patchset. My fix was to stop using mm-sources until I can 
> convince Andrew Morton that there a problem in the patches. The latest 
> 2.6.0-test11 sources has the basics of what I need all ready in it anyways.
> 
> It's not just ext3, it's whatever you use on root that get's mounted 
> read-only. The really odd thing is, under /proc/mount it clearly shows that 
> root is mounted .
> 
> The way to fix this, after booting, is remount the root partition with:
> mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 / -o remount,rw Remember you should alter this command 
> to fit your particular setup.
> 
> As a side note, the last, working mm-sources was 2.6.0-test9-mm2.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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[gentoo-user] Emerge provice ?

[Jeff Smelser]

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I am getting this lately on one of my servers..

>>> Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...
 * Caching service dependencies...
bash: line 842: provice: command not found 
 

Whats going on?  I did some googling and got nothing..

Thanks,
Jeff
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RE: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[Jason Stubbs]

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commence  quote
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:24:00 +0900
"Jason Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What the hell is this??? A read receipt maybe? Apologies to the list 
> if I'm spamming you any more of this crap. Arggg, I hate MS. There 
> software would be awesome if it actually worked, but...


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 my input 

lmao... I always wondered what the signature was all about. I looked at
the KB# and thought it would be too high for a real article and so never
checked. Little did I know. There isn't even an open date on the article
- too embarrassing I guess. The last review was on 2003-03-07 and
they've even defined what the exact bug is:

Outlook interprets the following sequence 
begindata
as a file attachment that is encoded in UUencode format, even if there
is no matching "end" statement to define the end of the attachment data.

Every time I start to regain the slightest faith in Microsoft - that
they're finally starting to do something right - along comes another one
of these. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] mapping hostname to a non routable ip addy

[Joshua Banks]

> > > On Friday 05 December 2003 10:15 pm, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:

> > I know about port forwarding.  I don't want to forward a different
> > port.  I want to redirect data based upon packet destination rather
> > than port.  I'm really just trying to get free IP addys ;).

Nathaniel what your wanting to do is very simple. Goto
www.shorewall.net and do some research there and you will see. This is
just one flavor of firewall but one of the best I've come acrossed with
the best support via emailing list and great web site as well.

There's really no mystery in how to achieve what your asking to
achieve.
There are two ways to do what your want to do. These are the same 2
choices that everyone else has when redirecting traffic from internet
hosts to services you host on your internal lan. But you want to do it
by name instead of ip directly. (IT all happens via ip, ports/sockets
regardless. This is just how it works.)

First and foremost you will need to either get familar with iptables or
install a firewall like "Shorewall" that munipulates iptables for you
to achieve what your wanting. Without one of those you will not be able
redirect squat.

Then

You said:
>I want to redirect data based upon packet destination rather than
port.

My response:
The two really go hand in hand. So this tells me that you might
understand port forwarding but don't understand some of the other
fundmentals. (if you don't understand this then you in for some
researching.) But again this is very simple if you understand the
basic's.

You mean via a DNS name.. E.G... www.yourfoobarrednetwork.com

Lets say your public ip is 1.2.3.4 and you have registered (you will
need too, to do what your trying to do) www.yourfoobarrednetwork.com
and mail.yourfoobarrednetwork.com. Both of these registered names
resolve to the same public ip address in DNS. 1.2.3.4

Internally you run a web server at 192.168.1.1 and a mail server at
192.168.1.2.

Lets think about this for a second. If I open any given web browser/app
and goto www.yourfoobarrednetwork.com (assuming that you've registered
this dns name or are running a host's file that knows to resolve
www.yourfoobarrednetwork.com to your public ip address), since I'm
using a web browser, any browser will default to port 80/HTTP. So now
my browser will transparently (to my eyes) resolve the dns name to an
ip address and goto www.yourfoobarrednetwork.com (or 1.2.3.4
transparent to me) via http port 80 tcp. 

On your firewall you would need to have a rule that forwards requests
coming to your public ip on port 80 tcp to the internal web server
listening on port 80 tcp.

General redirect rule:
Incoming port 80 tcp goes:
1.2.3.4 (your public ip) > 192.168.1.1 (your internal web server)

BAM... I'm on your website now. That was easy.. :P

Ok.. to continue with my example lets say that I want to send you
e-mail. In my example your running an email server on 192.168.1.2 and
have registered a public dns mx record for
mail.yourfoobarrednetwork.com that resolves to your public ip of
1.2.3.4.

I open-up my smtp email-client/app (Kmail) and type in: 
TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SUBJECT: TEST

and click on send. Since my smtp email-client/app defaults to using
port 25 tcp, my email server will (transparently to me) lookup and
resolve your mail domain to your public ip address that you have
registered. 1.2.3.4, 

On your firewall you would need to have a rule that forwards requests
coming to your public ip on port 25 tcp, to the internal mail server
listening on port 25 tcp.

General redirect rule:
Incoming port 25 tcp goes:
1.2.3.4 (your public ip) > 192.168.1.2 (your internal mail server)

BAM... You Have Mail That was easy.. :P

For SSH you would simply need to goto www.yourfoobarrednetwork.com on
port 22 tcp. You can either do this from the command line or a GUI ssh
client/app. And you can do this by ip or by your registered domain
name.

General redirect rule:
Incoming port 22 tcp goes:
1.2.3.4 (your public ip) > 192.168.1.3 (internal machine listening on
port 22 tcp)

The important thing to remember is that when redirecting any type of
packet it will have an ip address/port-socket mapping. Those two are
inseparable for the most part.

HTH's,
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Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia nForce 2 and Gentoo

[Dennis Allison]

One more thing, what version of the NVIDIA drivers are you using.  The
early releases had some problems.

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Paul Grenyer wrote:

> Hi
> 
> > I suspect that  you have some generic problem.  I am writing this from a
> > shuttle running RH9 (at the moment) but have had no real problem putting
> > up any of the other distros.  Some distros (RH9 among them) do not know
> > how to deal with the NVIDIA chipset's networking -- download the
> > appropriate stuff from NVIDIA to get your network up.  Of course, that
> > means that over-the-net installation is not easy (-:
> 
> Yeah, as I said in my original post, I managed to get Red Hat 9.0 installed
> and the networking going,  by building the drivers, but after a day the
> system refused to boot at all.
> 
> Regards
> Paul
> 
> Paul Grenyer
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [gentoo-user] ext3 problem in 2.6.0test10&11 kernels

[Jerry McBride]

On Friday 05 December 2003 07:55 pm, Simon Mushi wrote:
> Hey people,
>
> So I finally managed to compile and boot up my 2.6.0-test11-r1
> gentoo-sources...set up nvidia drivers and my 2 sound cards and it all ran
> fine for about 20 minutes when for some reason I realised that my ext3
> based root partition was now read-only...kinda strange I had an emerge
> process that crashed on some crazy error and I could not create a new
> directory. This happened time and time again, I would be fine for about 20
> minutes before the kernel raised a "ext3-fs error in start_transaction:
> Journal has aborted" and all my file systems became read-only and I had to
> reboot.
>
> Funny thing is when I boot into my old 2.4.20-r5 kernel...it is as if
> nothing at all happened...my system runs fine...I took the pains to try
> out 2.6.0.10-test10-mm sources and same thing happened.
>
> Does anyone have idea as to what I can do? Is 2.6 for me?
>

I've had the exact same problems with the mm-sources starting with test9-mm4 
to the current mm patchset. My fix was to stop using mm-sources until I can 
convince Andrew Morton that there a problem in the patches. The latest 
2.6.0-test11 sources has the basics of what I need all ready in it anyways.

It's not just ext3, it's whatever you use on root that get's mounted 
read-only. The really odd thing is, under /proc/mount it clearly shows that 
root is mounted .

The way to fix this, after booting, is remount the root partition with:
mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 / -o remount,rw Remember you should alter this command 
to fit your particular setup.

As a side note, the last, working mm-sources was 2.6.0-test9-mm2.

Cheers.


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Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia nForce 2 and Gentoo

[Dennis Allison]

That's why I suspect hardware problems.   I have two shuttle machines &
love them (pyhsically small, quiet, reliable, etc.).  Have you tried
backing off the clock?  What exactly are the circumstances of reboot
failure?  Has the machine been running (that is, is it warm) or has it 
been off for a while and just been restarted?  Does it always reliably 
boot off CDROM but fails to boot off hard disk?  

On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Paul Grenyer wrote:

> Hi
> 
> > I suspect that  you have some generic problem.  I am writing this from a
> > shuttle running RH9 (at the moment) but have had no real problem putting
> > up any of the other distros.  Some distros (RH9 among them) do not know
> > how to deal with the NVIDIA chipset's networking -- download the
> > appropriate stuff from NVIDIA to get your network up.  Of course, that
> > means that over-the-net installation is not easy (-:
> 
> Yeah, as I said in my original post, I managed to get Red Hat 9.0 installed
> and the networking going,  by building the drivers, but after a day the
> system refused to boot at all.
> 
> Regards
> Paul
> 
> Paul Grenyer
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Questions from a Debian User

[Spider]

begin  quote
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:55:44 -0600
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> 
> Hmm, why was it trying to uninstall it then?  (I'm a little confused
> on that.)

Portage always (unless told differntly )  does a "clean" of the system,
removing old versions of the package just installed.


However, it can be disabled with this  (/etc/make.conf) :


# AUTOCLEAN enables portage to automatically clean out older or
# overlapping packages from the system after every successful merge.
# This is the same as running 'emerge -c' after every merge. Set with:
# "yes" or "no". This does not affect the unpacked source. See 'noclean'
# below.
#AUTOCLEAN="yes"





> 1. What is the way to safely remove software from the system?  I
> observed the warning in emerge(1) about unmerge doing no dependency
> checking.  So I could unmerge something that half a dozen other
> programs depend on, thus causing nasty breakage.  Is there an unmerge
> command somewhere that *does* do this dependency checking, and aborts
> with an error if I try to unmerge something that others depend on?


No, there is no such thing currently, that I know of. It's been required
for some time, but not in here as of yet. (you can do "emerge -C  ;
revdep-rebuild -p  to "fix" things and see what got broken, but thats
not a solution really)

 
> 2. Excepting the slots mechanism for a minute, it still appears
> possible to have multiple versions of a single package installed at
> once. However, I've noticed that when this happens, generally only a
> single version is *actually* installed; portage just thinks that two
> are on the system (and I can safely remove the older one, which is
> mostly a no-op).

In a default configuration it is not possible, and if you have it,
"emerge -c" is the tool to use (not to be confused with emerge -C )


If this wasn't the answer you was looking for, I've probably
misunderstood the question, so I'd ask you to rephrase it :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia nForce 2 and Gentoo

[Paul Grenyer]

Hi

> I suspect that  you have some generic problem.  I am writing this from a
> shuttle running RH9 (at the moment) but have had no real problem putting
> up any of the other distros.  Some distros (RH9 among them) do not know
> how to deal with the NVIDIA chipset's networking -- download the
> appropriate stuff from NVIDIA to get your network up.  Of course, that
> means that over-the-net installation is not easy (-:

Yeah, as I said in my original post, I managed to get Red Hat 9.0 installed
and the networking going,  by building the drivers, but after a day the
system refused to boot at all.

Regards
Paul

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Questions from a Debian User

[John Goerzen]

First, thanks to all who responded with hints and suggestions. 

On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 05:44:32PM +0100, Spider wrote:
> Currently you cant, see last weeks big flameage in -dev for possible
> solutions, reasoning and whatnot.  They should be google-able. (hint,
> ACCEPT_LICENSE  is a nice searchword for google )

Heh, what timing, eh? :-)

> Not serious, i haven't found the real source here, but its a lockfile
> that doesn't go away after devfsd.  The "couldn't find match" are simply
> messages stating that it cannot uninstall a previous version, because
> none was installed.

Hmm, why was it trying to uninstall it then?  (I'm a little confused on
that.)

I'm also a little confused about two other things:

1. What is the way to safely remove software from the system?  I
observed the warning in emerge(1) about unmerge doing no dependency
checking.  So I could unmerge something that half a dozen other programs
depend on, thus causing nasty breakage.  Is there an unmerge command
somewhere that *does* do this dependency checking, and aborts with an
error if I try to unmerge something that others depend on?

2. Excepting the slots mechanism for a minute, it still appears possible
to have multiple versions of a single package installed at once.
However, I've noticed that when this happens, generally only a single
version is *actually* installed; portage just thinks that two are on the
system (and I can safely remove the older one, which is mostly a no-op).
What is the point of this, and how can I make it stop?  It seems that
portage is lying to me, saying that an older package is installed when
really the version on the system is newer.

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] NVidia nForce 2 and Gentoo

[Dennis Allison]

I suspect that  you have some generic problem.  I am writing this from a
shuttle running RH9 (at the moment) but have had no real problem putting
up any of the other distros.  Some distros (RH9 among them) do not know
how to deal with the NVIDIA chipset's networking -- download the
appropriate stuff from NVIDIA to get your network up.  Of course, that
means that over-the-net installation is not easy (-: 

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Paul Grenyer wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> I'm new around here and I'm hoping someone may be able to help me with a
> problem I have.
> 
> I recently bought a Shuttle SN45G
> (http://us.shuttle.com/specs_access.asp?pro_id=279), which has an "North
> bridge - NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400, South bridge - MCP-T" chip-set.
> 
> I have tried a number of different Linux distributions, but most of them,
> including Debian 3.0, Slackware 9.1 and Gentoo 1.4 won't even boot from the
> installation cd. I've managed to install Mandrake 9.1, but that failed on
> first boot. I've installed Red Hat 9.0, but that  refused to boot after the
> first day. I've also installed SuSE 8.1, but that was horrible to use and
> didn't appear to want to online update .
> 
> As I said above I couldn't get Gentoo 1.4 to boot. I've also tried the
> latest Live CD, but that won't boot either. Has anyone managed to get Gentoo
> (or any other distribution) working correctly with my chipset?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards
> Paul
> 
> Paul Grenyer
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Re: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[Spider]

commence  quote
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:24:00 +0900
"Jason Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What the hell is this??? A read receipt maybe? Apologies to the list
> if I'm spamming you any more of this crap. Arggg, I hate MS. There
> software would be awesome if it actually worked, but...


No, its outlook choking on email. See, I'm not allowed to use the word
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r "commence"  instead, to be microsoft compatible.

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Re: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[Pierre-François Gomez]

At Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:56:37 +0100,
Spider wrote:
> Might I suggest a nice -n +20  too ?

It sounds like a good idea, yes ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Wake on lan (Again...) --solved

[Pierre-François Gomez]

At Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:57:57 +0100 (CET),
Elton Algera wrote:
> For anyone who likes to know, it's solved (finally)... 

Thank you but... how ? ;-)

Did you find out why it was working from the shell and not from
the script ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild installing old package

[Yannick Le Saint (kyncani)]

 You may have multiple versions of galeon installed, check
 etcat versions '^galeon$'
 Remove your old galeon versions and revdep-rebuild again.

 If I remember well, you can look at revdep-rebuild temporary files in
$HOME/.revdep-rebuild.*

On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 15:50, Chris Bare wrote:
> I just tried to run revdep-rebuild but cancelled out of it when I saw it
> starting to do this:
> 
> emerge --oneshot --nodeps  =net-www/galeon-1.2.11 
> 
> At one time, I had put =net-www/galeon-1.2.11 in my /var/cache/edb/world file
> to keep galeon from being upgraded, but I've since removed that. I don't know
> where revdep is finding this. Any suggestions on where to look?
> Could this be caused by the fact that galeon 1.3 (which I now have installed)
> is masked?
> I tried :
> 
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" revdep-rebuild 
> 
> But it tries to build 1.2.11 also.


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RE: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[Jason Stubbs]

What the hell is this??? A read receipt maybe? Apologies to the list if
I'm spamming you any more of this crap. Arggg, I hate MS. There software
would be awesome if it actually worked, but...

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Re: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[Spider]

begin  quote
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:06:21 +0900
"Jason Stubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Might I suggest a nice -n +20  too ?
> //Spider
> 
>  my input 
> 
> Same for slocate, no? And perhaps changing the times from 12am to 4am
> -
> unless your up at that time ;-)
> 


Actually I have them at 14 (2 pm)  since I'm never at home then, and if
I'm at home I should wake up. I dislike the diskactivity when I sleep.
:) 


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RE: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?

[Jason Stubbs]

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] .bin/.cue --> .iso ?


begin  quote
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:01:10 +0100
Pierre-François Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:22:10 -0800,
> Alan wrote:
> > /me makes a note to add eupdatedb into cron.
> 
> Yes,  i was thinking about it, too, as i just discovered 'esearch' 
> (thanks to this thread).
> 
> Just copying /etc/cron.daily/slocate and editing it slightly should do
> ;-)
> 


Might I suggest a nice -n +20  too ?
//Spider

 my input 

Same for slocate, no? And perhaps changing the times from 12am to 4am -
unless your up at that time ;-)

Regards,
Jason Stubbs


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