Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Yes, fewer but large as you said. xfce is my choice! > Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > > Ahh, I see. Thank you. It sounds like the Gnome people are the culprit. > > What a hassle to have to pull in tons of stuff for one app. > > Indeed. I think KDE are superior in that they include fewer larger base > packages rather than zillions of smaller dependencies like gnome. Let > me clear however that I don't use either. -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Ahh, I see. Thank you. It sounds like the Gnome people are the culprit. What a hassle to have to pull in tons of stuff for one app. Indeed. I think KDE are superior in that they include fewer larger base packages rather than zillions of smaller dependencies like gnome. Let me clear however that I don't use either. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Ahh, I see. Thank you. It sounds like the Gnome people are the culprit. What a hassle to have to pull in tons of stuff for one app. > Usually such changes come in because an upstream package moves from one > library-version to another, in the recent Grip case where people kept > whining they moved the dependencies from gnome-libs-1.4 to libgnome, > ORBit2 instead of ORBit .. > > The reason people kept seein "more packages" was that gnome-libs has > been torn apart into at least 4 different packages to further separate > the code. > > > //Spider -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
That's exactly my question which hasn't been answered yet. Why all of a sudden do I need tons of Gnome junk for the same apps that have been happily running without it?? Is it a Gnome issue in that Gnome has decided to include the world for every little thing or is it a Gentoo setup? > Nothing on the server use flag wise has changed since the last upgrade, > so this is a bit perturbing, and annoying. > > Any reason for these changes? Or is there any sort of review process > that these go through to see if people need the extra deps? Normally I > wouldn't mind, but I am using gentoo on this little server (3G of drives) > because of it's (former) ability to strip things down to the bare bones. > > alan -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
That's interesting. I'll have to remember this. In my case getting rid of evolution fixed it. My concern is what changed to suddenly cause all this Gnome junk to be needed?? > Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > > I did an emerge sync and then emerge -u --deep system -p which listed > > rsync as the only package to be upgraded - I did upgrade it. I then did > > emerge -u --deep world -p and get a long list of stuff - most of it Gnome > > stuff marked N. > > Exactly the same thing happened to my server just now which has no X or > gnome or GUI installed at all. The reason was the tcl/tk use flag. > Once I disabled it they all disappeared leaving only upgrades. What a > relief! -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I did an emerge sync and then emerge -u --deep system -p which listed rsync as the only package to be upgraded - I did upgrade it. I then did emerge -u --deep world -p and get a long list of stuff - most of it Gnome stuff marked N. Exactly the same thing happened to my server just now which has no X or gnome or GUI installed at all. The reason was the tcl/tk use flag. Once I disabled it they all disappeared leaving only upgrades. What a relief! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:56:20PM -0400, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > I did an emerge sync and then emerge -u --deep system -p which listed rsync > as the only package to be upgraded - I did upgrade it. I then did emerge -u > --deep world -p and get a long list of stuff - most of it Gnome stuff marked > N. > > I notice mailbase is being upgraded which adds linc and then > gnome-base/ORBit2. Gnome-base-gconf adds things like bonobo, libglade pulls > in some stuff, and gonome-vfs does, too - and this continues for long page > of stuff. > > What changed to cause the update to want to jam a bunch of Gnome stuff on my > system - or is something borked with emerge? I noticed this a bit on my main desktop system, and it's not a big deal, I have most of the gnome stuff in there already and I was happy to see some updates to programs. However, I also have a headless server that does nothing but serve apache(+mod_perl +php), squid, samba and postfix (I have USE="-X -gnome -kde") suddenly wants to install things like gnome-print, gnome-libs, etc. Nothing on the server use flag wise has changed since the last upgrade, so this is a bit perturbing, and annoying. Any reason for these changes? Or is there any sort of review process that these go through to see if people need the extra deps? Normally I wouldn't mind, but I am using gentoo on this little server (3G of drives) because of it's (former) ability to strip things down to the bare bones. alan -- Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://arcterex.net "There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games."-- Hemingway -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 19:37, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: > for me, his message was perfectly sorted into the thread by kmail. I use kmail. Top posting != broken thread. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
hi, On Sunday 13 July 2003 21:58, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:21, Brett I. Holcomb wrote this in an attempt > Can we please not top post? Thanks. > > I finc XCDRoast is good for making cd's, but I can't get it to create an > .iso, it only wants to create .img (even though I have the default > stuff for iso9660). for me, his message was perfectly sorted into the thread by kmail. maybe your mail client is broken? Glück Auf Volker -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
XCDRoast will create an iso. I use it for that all the time. I have to go to the FAQ and refresh my memory but it works. > On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:21, Brett I. Holcomb wrote this in an attempt > > to be witty and informative: > > Grip was recommended to me a long time ago but I didn't want the > > Gnome stuff so I stuck with XCDRoast. Oh, well. > > snip> > > I finc XCDRoast is good for making cd's, but I can't get it to create an > .iso, it only wants to create .img (even though I have the default > stuff for iso9660). -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 5:33 pm, Dan Foster wrote: > Hot Diggety! Phil Barnett was rumored to have written: > > alias cd2iso='dd if=/dev/scd0' > > alias iso2cd='cdrecord -v -eject -data speed=24 dev=0,0,0' > > If your CD-R[W] drive supports it, may also want to add this flag: > > driveropts=burnfree > > to the cdrecord command line as well. Less chances of a coaster :) I used to do that. Lately it appears that cdrecord picks up on that automatically. It may only be necessary now in cases where cdrecord doesn't get it right. But, it won't hurt anything. -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Hot Diggety! Phil Barnett was rumored to have written: > > alias cd2iso='dd if=/dev/scd0' > alias iso2cd='cdrecord -v -eject -data speed=24 dev=0,0,0' If your CD-R[W] drive supports it, may also want to add this flag: driveropts=burnfree to the cdrecord command line as well. Less chances of a coaster :) -Dan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 3:58 pm, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:21, Brett I. Holcomb wrote this in an attempt > > to be witty and informative: > > Grip was recommended to me a long time ago but I didn't want the > > Gnome stuff so I stuck with XCDRoast. Oh, well. > > > > Can we please not top post? Thanks. > > I finc XCDRoast is good for making cd's, but I can't get it to create an > .iso, it only wants to create .img (even though I have the default > stuff for iso9660). I put these two lines in /etc/bashrc and just use the command line to go from CD to iso and iso to CD. alias cd2iso='dd if=/dev/scd0' alias iso2cd='cdrecord -v -eject -data speed=24 dev=0,0,0' Some people have suggested that you need to specify the block size on the cd2iso line, but I've never had any problem. Of course, you'll have to adjust the details to match your drive info. if you feel the need to specify block size, the parameter is bs=. Usage: cd2iso of=isoname.iso iso2cd isoname.iso If you are cutting multiple cd's from a single iso, it's the only way to go. -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 03:58 pm, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:21, Brett I. Holcomb wrote this in an > attempt > > to be witty and informative: > > Grip was recommended to me a long time ago but I didn't want the > > Gnome stuff so I stuck with XCDRoast. Oh, well. > > > > Can we please not top post? Thanks. > > I finc XCDRoast is good for making cd's, but I can't get it to create > an .iso, it only wants to create .img (even though I have the default > stuff for iso9660). Joseph, I've had the same problem with Xcdroast. I now use eroaster for iso's. It's a snap. -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:21, Brett I. Holcomb wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: > Grip was recommended to me a long time ago but I didn't want the > Gnome stuff so I stuck with XCDRoast. Oh, well. Can we please not top post? Thanks. I finc XCDRoast is good for making cd's, but I can't get it to create an .iso, it only wants to create .img (even though I have the default stuff for iso9660). -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 20:23, Spider wrote: > begin quote > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:07:51 +0200 > > "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have installed grip.. that is the culprit in my case because the > > latest -up world wants to upgrade grip and to install all the > > gnome-stuff I do NOT want, but without grip.. no gnome. > > from the grip homepage: > "Grip is a cd-player and cd-ripper for the Gnome desktop." > up until now it was not necessary to have gnome for grip... only the help system wouldn't work without it.. no problem, I'll unmerge grip Glück Auf Volker -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Grip was recommended to me a long time ago but I didn't want the Gnome stuff so I stuck with XCDRoast. Oh, well. > On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:03, Brett I. Holcomb wrote this in an attempt > > to be witty and informative: > > Amen to that! It used to be that way but for some reason authors are > > jumping on one desktop or the other and making their programs > > dependend on it. That makes it bad for those who don't use that > > particular desktop - we either don't use the app or we have to but a > > bunch of extra junk in we don't need - kind of like in the Windows > > world! > > Exactly like Windows, unfortunately. :( > > And I really, really like Grip. -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 14:03, Brett I. Holcomb wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: > Amen to that! It used to be that way but for some reason authors are > jumping on one desktop or the other and making their programs > dependend on it. That makes it bad for those who don't use that > particular desktop - we either don't use the app or we have to but a > bunch of extra junk in we don't need - kind of like in the Windows > world! Exactly like Windows, unfortunately. :( And I really, really like Grip. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Amen to that! It used to be that way but for some reason authors are jumping on one desktop or the other and making their programs dependend on it. That makes it bad for those who don't use that particular desktop - we either don't use the app or we have to but a bunch of extra junk in we don't need - kind of like in the Windows world! > On Sunday 13 July 2003 13:23, Spider wrote this in an attempt to be > > witty and informative: > > begin quote > > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:07:51 +0200 > > > > "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > from the grip homepage: > > "Grip is a cd-player and cd-ripper for the Gnome desktop." > > To be honest, it'd be nice if programs were DE independent and could use > features from both. -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Sorry, this didn't go to the list. I'm using qpkg to find out what depends on some of these. One is Evolution which I was testing and which I'll probably remove and see if I can find another mail client (not Kmail!). What bothers me is that previous to this none of this gnome stuff was needed but now all of a sudden emerge wants to dump all this junk in. LIke you if I wanted a Gnome desktop I'd run it and not xfce! I think Gnome is trying to keep up with KDE in terms of size and working it's way into everything! I don't mind having a little bit that's necessary to provide some support but all these libraries, etc is too much. I looked at grip for a Caldera system and didn't want it because of all the stuff that went with it from Gnome. At that time I was using RPM and couldn't get the right Gnome libraries to make it work! It was Evolution - I unmerged it and all that junk is no longer needed. Now all I need is an email client for this system. > > > Hi, > > > > same problem here (-gnome in make.conf, I do not need a complete inferior > > desktop). > > > > I have installed grip.. that is the culprit in my case because the latest > > -up world wants to upgrade grip and to install all the gnome-stuff I do > > NOT want, but without grip.. no gnome. > > > > Glück Auf > > Volker -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
On Sunday 13 July 2003 13:23, Spider wrote this in an attempt to be witty and informative: > begin quote > On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:07:51 +0200 > > "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have installed grip.. that is the culprit in my case because the > > latest -up world wants to upgrade grip and to install all the > > gnome-stuff I do NOT want, but without grip.. no gnome. > > from the grip homepage: > "Grip is a cd-player and cd-ripper for the Gnome desktop." To be honest, it'd be nice if programs were DE independent and could use features from both. -- Wielder of the mighty +1 LARTsaber of Unsubscribe Instructions At End of Message, the +3 Clue-by-Four of No Attachments to a Mailing List, and the -4 Shield of No Spell Checker http://joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Hi, same problem here (-gnome in make.conf, I do not need a complete inferior desktop). I have installed grip.. that is the culprit in my case because the latest -up world wants to upgrade grip and to install all the gnome-stuff I do NOT want, but without grip.. no gnome. Glück Auf Volker -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
Hmm, I notice that one of the offenders (gconf for Gnome) has gone from 1.0.8 to 2.2.0. I'm not familiar with Gnome (having used it briefly once and not been back to it) - it's only on my system for a few programs who need it and if a program requires Gnome parts I think long and hard about adding it. Could it be that the new Gnome 2.x stuff drags more junk in then it did before? > I did an emerge sync and then emerge -u --deep system -p which listed rsync > as the only package to be upgraded - I did upgrade it. I then did emerge > -u --deep world -p and get a long list of stuff - most of it Gnome stuff > marked N. > > I notice mailbase is being upgraded which adds linc and then > gnome-base/ORBit2. Gnome-base-gconf adds things like bonobo, libglade > pulls in some stuff, and gonome-vfs does, too - and this continues for > long page of stuff. > > What changed to cause the update to want to jam a bunch of Gnome stuff on > my system - or is something borked with emerge? -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Bunch of Gnome junk to be added in world upgrade!???
I did an emerge sync and then emerge -u --deep system -p which listed rsync as the only package to be upgraded - I did upgrade it. I then did emerge -u --deep world -p and get a long list of stuff - most of it Gnome stuff marked N. I notice mailbase is being upgraded which adds linc and then gnome-base/ORBit2. Gnome-base-gconf adds things like bonobo, libglade pulls in some stuff, and gonome-vfs does, too - and this continues for long page of stuff. What changed to cause the update to want to jam a bunch of Gnome stuff on my system - or is something borked with emerge? -- Brett I. Holcomb AKA Grunt <>< -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
