Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo/m68k
Am Donnerstag, 26. Juni 2003 13:39 schrieb ext James McArthur: > Hmm.. wonder how hard it would be to get Gentoo running on an Amiga with > a 68060? Once you have the right toolchain (binutils+gcc) combination, not that hard. Did LFS on my Amiga last year. The only thing I didn't get to work on it was pam, but maybe that has changed meanwhile. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)151 1513 6954 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Cap Gemini Ernst & Young| Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.cgey.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo/m68k
Hi, On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 00:42, Jonathan Morton wrote: > FWIW, I have access to a couple of old Macs with the 68LC040 in them, > but it might be hard to get them in a working state (from a hardware > perspective, those machines have been *abused*, and they are also very > short of RAM and disk space). I also have a full 68040 and a > 68030/68881 combo, which work properly, though the latter is also > exceedingly short of RAM and disk. Hmm.. wonder how hard it would be to get Gentoo running on an Amiga with a 68060? Ponders... James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo/m68k
Another show stopper is the 68LC40's (or was it 680LC40?). They not only didn't have an FPU but some were b0rked and you couldn't use FPU emulation on them. A lot of the lower end '040 based Macs used them. Not sure about other 680x0 based systems. The 68LC040 is a problem, but the beauty of Gentoo is that you can compile everything using a "FP math library" in place of the hardware FPU instructions, if you need to. Software FP math is also much faster than an emulated "hardware" FPU, on most hardware, so this is of benefit to all FPU-less machines, not just the b0rked ones. Don't ask me about the specifics of this, it's something I've never had to do under Linux. It does work just fine using the regular MacOS compilers - there weren't all that many 68k Macs that came with FPUs as standard, so almost all applications were compiled with software FP math - and these worked just fine on the 'LC040. FWIW, I have access to a couple of old Macs with the 68LC040 in them, but it might be hard to get them in a working state (from a hardware perspective, those machines have been *abused*, and they are also very short of RAM and disk space). I also have a full 68040 and a 68030/68881 combo, which work properly, though the latter is also exceedingly short of RAM and disk. -- from: Jonathan "Chromatix" Morton mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/ tagline: The key to knowledge is not to rely on people to teach you it. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo/m68k
On Monday 16 June 2003 02:49 am, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: > > Could be fun to install Gentoo on my A600 and A1200 :D > > Would this be possible? The Amiga 600 and 1200 did not have a MMU, at > least not out-of-the-box. And, IIRC, you need a MMU to run another OS > apart from AmigaOS on Amiga. There are projects out there that have ported Linux to MMU-less CPUs but, yea, for the most part you need either a 68020+MMU or a '030 or higher to run Linux. Another show stopper is the 68LC40's (or was it 680LC40?). They not only didn't have an FPU but some were b0rked and you couldn't use FPU emulation on them. A lot of the lower end '040 based Macs used them. Not sure about other 680x0 based systems. -- "It's not easy being green. It takes way more food coloring than you'd think." -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo/m68k
On Monday 16 June 2003 09:49, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: > > Could be fun to install Gentoo on my A600 and A1200 :D > > Would this be possible? The Amiga 600 and 1200 did not have a MMU, > at least not out-of-the-box. And, IIRC, you need a MMU to run another > OS apart from AmigaOS on Amiga. Well if OS needs MMU like Linux then it can't be installed to vanilla A600 or A1200. If one has CPU card in them then it depends if that CPU has MMU or not. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo/m68k
Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: > Could be fun to install Gentoo on my A600 and A1200 :D Would this be possible? The Amiga 600 and 1200 did not have a MMU, at least not out-of-the-box. And, IIRC, you need a MMU to run another OS apart from AmigaOS on Amiga. -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ http://phpOpenTracker.de/ http://www.professionelle-softwareentwicklung-mit-php5.de/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo/m68k
> Hello Everyone! > > This is to let everyone on these list know about my progress > concerning Gentoo/m68k. I have been working for the past month on the > port and have made signifigant progress. Portage is working, and a > Stage1 has been built. However, I was overzealous with my CFLAGS and > added -O3, which made my Stage1 chroot do odd things. > > Then, I decided to rebuild the entire system, but Debian's gcc > package broke, which had me cursing for about 2 weeks. I had glibc > builds failing left and right. (Well, actually, only one failed every > day, since I'm on a 33MHz machine. :) > > Anyhow, that's all fixed now, and I hope to have an official stage1 > tarball ready soon. What this e-mail is for is to hopefully gather > interest in the port so that the powers that be may make it an > official Gentoo architecture. I realize that m68k is 10-years old, > but it still has several uses, and Gentoo can fulfil those uses quite > nicely. I have two Sun 3/80s that serve as DNS for me, and a Performa > 550 as a NTP server, A Quadra 660AV for video, etc. As the Monty > Python line goes, "They're Not Dead Yet!" > > With Gentoo, we'll be able to squeeze every last bit of performance > out of these old beasts, as well as trim down the distribution to a > minimum, lending itself to netbooding and embedded work. m68k > hardware covers a vast landscape, including but not limited to > Macintosh, NeXT, Sun3, HP300, Amiga, and Atari. These machines were > high-end at the time, and can still be put to good use. > > Thanks for reading, and if you're interested in the work I've done, > please reply, so I can know that what I've done is worth releasing, > and the fine folks at Gentoo can know that m68k is a platform worth > supporting. > > Zach Lowry || Murfreesboro, TN || www.zachlowry.net > Linux / *BSD / Irix / Solaris / Apple / Unix Network Administration I actually had an idea to do this close to a year ago, however, I soon found that it required programming skills I didn't have. I still don't have them, but I'll be starting a computer science major in August, so I look forward to helping out however I can in the future. My personal reason for the port was to get an Apple Laserwriter (I don't remember the specific model, the machine itself is safe in a box) to accept print requests from machines other than its Macintosh LC III host. Turns out that there was some write-once on-printer programming involved in installing the printer as part of the installation procedure which permanently identified it as either Mac or PC compatible. All this was initially used about 11 years ago, and about 5 years ago my father got into this mess when he switched to PC. Unfortunately, I was not the IT wunderkind that I am today (though I am most assuredly in my present company) at that time, and I can only work off my father's vague memories of things he only half understood. The moral of the story? Please try and find a way to make a Mac printer accessible via Samba, or a similar method. I'm sure that's more easily said than done, but I feel it would be a worthwhile use of time and energy. After all, that printer can hit somewhere around 15 pages per minute even on a bad day, it'd make a nice workhorse for printing manuals. Thanks for your effort, Robert H. Haener IV
