Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Hi Roger, Thanks for your detail advice. In my wrong imagination update can be done as in RH. B.R. Stephen Roger Miliker wrote: On Thursday 16 October 2003 04:59, Stephen Liu wrote: Hi Jeffrey If you have mysql, you can add portagesql.. I wouldn't advise using it for everyday use, however, I searching is awesome.. emergesql -s kde - takes about 2 seconds to come back.. :) Just to bad the portage guys don't see the value in a sql backend. Could you please explain in more detail of your suggestion 1) Whether I need 'mysql' running on Gentoo 1.4. 2) Whether 'emergesql -s kde' can assist installing KDE reducing the total time in respect of download, compile and install, etc. Now I have Gentoo 1.4 running on my PC. I need to install "xfree" and "kde" but hesitate to proceed further if each of them will take 6+ hours to download, compile, install, etc. According to introduction on Gentoo website, I can use the pre-compile packages on CD2 to install the package and thereafter update them from website. It will shorten the time to install 'xfree' and 'kde' But I am not quite sure how to proceed as instructed. Most postings suggest me "do installation from website" The packages on CD1 + CD2 are GRP packages. "GRP is the Gentoo Reference Platform. It is a snapshot of precompiled packages users can use during the installation of Gentoo. However, those binary packages aren't maintained during the lifetime of the Gentoo distribution. They are only meant to speed up the Gentoo installation." quote from IRC #gentoo As far as I know using these binaries is only possible on install. Emerge sync will keep you from using it (it won't work afterwards). I don't know where you read about "and thereafter update them from website." You can however update those packages by emerge, meaning downloading and compiling a newer version, while using the binaries. I hope I shed some light on the matter. Cheers Roger -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Search portage on the web: http://gentoo-portage.com/ Max. On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 06:01, Andrej Kacian wrote: > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:54:31 +0100 > "A. S. Budden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Unfortunately, there isn't a web based search. > > There IS one, atleast I have "overheard" a conversation on #gentoo at either > ircnet or efnet about someone making such project. I think it was even in > Gentoo weekly newsletter. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:54:31 +0100 "A. S. Budden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately, there isn't a web based search. There IS one, atleast I have "overheard" a conversation on #gentoo at either ircnet or efnet about someone making such project. I think it was even in Gentoo weekly newsletter. -- /~\ The ASCIIAndrej "Ticho" Kacian \ / Ribbon Campaign GnuPG public key ID: 7CD93FE2 (pgp.mit.edu) X Against HTML Key fingerprint: / \ Email! E87D 9DEF 2A23 6FFB 7AD9 542F 4253 3A46 7CD9 3FE2 "The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson." pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:51:47 -0400 Ernie Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Openoffice-bin will definately install faster (26 minutes on my box) > but at the expense of some speed running the app later. Openoffice > will take a long time to compile. (according to my logs > 37 hrs & 20 min) My box is an Athlon XP2100 with 512 Megs RAM It took a bit more than 15 hours on a Celeron 2.2 with 256MB RAM. I was using the computer while compiling most of the time (playing mp3, browsing web, etc.) -- /~\ The ASCIIAndrej "Ticho" Kacian \ / Ribbon Campaign GnuPG public key ID: 7CD93FE2 (pgp.mit.edu) X Against HTML Key fingerprint: / \ Email! E87D 9DEF 2A23 6FFB 7AD9 542F 4253 3A46 7CD9 3FE2 "The only excuse for god is that he doesn't exist." -- Friedrich W. Nietzche pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:54:18 +0800 Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Broadband connected > # emerge search kde > /tmp/kde-search You don't need to be connected to internet when doing emerge search. It searches your local copy of the portage tree. You should update the tree by issuing 'emerge sync' command every once in a while. -- /~\ The ASCIIAndrej "Ticho" Kacian \ / Ribbon Campaign GnuPG public key ID: 7CD93FE2 (pgp.mit.edu) X Against HTML Key fingerprint: / \ Email! E87D 9DEF 2A23 6FFB 7AD9 542F 4253 3A46 7CD9 3FE2 "Far hence, I deem, your doom lies, Tuor son of Huor. And this land shall not be freed from the shadow of Morgoth until Thangorodrim itself be overthrown. Therefore we are resolved at last to forsake it, and to depart into the South; and with us you shall go." -- Annael the Grey-elf to Tuor son of Huor pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
I Think I opened a can of worms here.. :) > >If you have mysql, you can add portagesql.. I wouldn't > advise using it for everyday use, however, I searching is awesome.. > > > >emergesql -s kde - takes about 2 seconds to come back.. :) > Just to bad the portage guys don't see the value in a sql backend. > > > > > Could you please explain in more detail of your suggestion > 1) Whether I need 'mysql' running on Gentoo 1.4. > 2) Whether 'emergesql -s kde' can assist installing KDE reducing the > total time in respect of download, compile and install, etc. When I spoke of emergesql, I was talking about the search function. Not for everyday use. Matter of fact, if you do a emergesql , it just calls emerge.. Emergesql was just a great function to speed up searching and emergesql -up --deep is SO much faster... Its in very early development however.. > Now I have Gentoo 1.4 running on my PC. I need to install > "xfree" and > "kde" but hesitate to proceed further if each of them will > take 6+ hours > to download, compile, install, etc. emergesql has nothing to do with compile and install times.. Explained above > According to introduction on Gentoo website, I can use the > pre-compile > packages on CD2 to install the package and thereafter update > them from > website. It will shorten the time to install 'xfree' and > 'kde' But I > am not quite sure how to proceed as instructed. Most > postings suggest > me "do installation from website" Problem with precompiled packages, is your defeting one of the best parts of gentoo, a compiled system to your specifications.. You do what you want, however.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
On Thursday 16 October 2003 04:59, Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi Jeffrey > > >If you have mysql, you can add portagesql.. I wouldn't advise using it for > > everyday use, however, I searching is awesome.. > > > >emergesql -s kde - takes about 2 seconds to come back.. :) Just to bad the > > portage guys don't see the value in a sql backend. > > Could you please explain in more detail of your suggestion > 1) Whether I need 'mysql' running on Gentoo 1.4. > 2) Whether 'emergesql -s kde' can assist installing KDE reducing the > total time in respect of download, compile and install, etc. > > Now I have Gentoo 1.4 running on my PC. I need to install "xfree" and > "kde" but hesitate to proceed further if each of them will take 6+ hours > to download, compile, install, etc. > > According to introduction on Gentoo website, I can use the pre-compile > packages on CD2 to install the package and thereafter update them from > website. It will shorten the time to install 'xfree' and 'kde' But I > am not quite sure how to proceed as instructed. Most postings suggest > me "do installation from website" > The packages on CD1 + CD2 are GRP packages. "GRP is the Gentoo Reference Platform. It is a snapshot of precompiled packages users can use during the installation of Gentoo. However, those binary packages aren't maintained during the lifetime of the Gentoo distribution. They are only meant to speed up the Gentoo installation." quote from IRC #gentoo As far as I know using these binaries is only possible on install. Emerge sync will keep you from using it (it won't work afterwards). I don't know where you read about "and thereafter update them from website." You can however update those packages by emerge, meaning downloading and compiling a newer version, while using the binaries. I hope I shed some light on the matter. Cheers Roger > Thanks > > B.R. > Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Hi Jeffrey If you have mysql, you can add portagesql.. I wouldn't advise using it for everyday use, however, I searching is awesome.. emergesql -s kde - takes about 2 seconds to come back.. :) Just to bad the portage guys don't see the value in a sql backend. Could you please explain in more detail of your suggestion 1) Whether I need 'mysql' running on Gentoo 1.4. 2) Whether 'emergesql -s kde' can assist installing KDE reducing the total time in respect of download, compile and install, etc. Now I have Gentoo 1.4 running on my PC. I need to install "xfree" and "kde" but hesitate to proceed further if each of them will take 6+ hours to download, compile, install, etc. According to introduction on Gentoo website, I can use the pre-compile packages on CD2 to install the package and thereafter update them from website. It will shorten the time to install 'xfree' and 'kde' But I am not quite sure how to proceed as instructed. Most postings suggest me "do installation from website" Thanks B.R. Stephen -Original Message- From: Stephen Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question Hi Jon, If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with find, e.g. cd /usr/portage find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the gentoo website. Or try emerge search e.g. emerge search kde Broadband connected # emerge search kde > /tmp/kde-search (kde-search is attached to this posting) - snip - check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then go home for the weekend. You never know, it might be done! Just installed gentoo and from the base install it took about a day to compile and install kde (including all it's dependencies like XFree86). This is on an Athlon 1.3 Noted with thanks B.R. Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Hi Al, Thanks for your advice # find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 ./app-office/openoffice-bin ./app-office/openoffice Then what command shall I issue to install them 1) emerge -k openoffice or 2) ./openoffice-bin I'd imagine it would be emerge -k openoffice... have a look on the online package database at the descriptions of both. Will probably give a better indication. 2) should be emerge -k openoffice-bin I think Ok. I will try # emerge -k openoffice-bin later Unfortunately, there isn't a web based search. You can do: emerge search As another poster suggested (I didn't know this, but then I only started using gentoo on friday!). Once you know which section it's in, you can go and have a look on the website for more details, e.g. with sc, type: emerge search sc I did # emerge search kde > /tmp/kde-search according to Jon's advice. I attached 'kde-search' file to my reply to Jon earlier. will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in. In amongst these is app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and click on app-office, then sc. This will give you a few details, including the developer homepage etc. In most cases, I think you can bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.) http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their name, so you'll get lots of results. In this case you might want to try emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$' # emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$' * app-office/sc - snip - Try this and see if it makes it any clearer: echo net-www/mozilla > mylist.txt echo net-www/w3m >> mylist.txt echo kde >> mylist.txt emerge -p `cat mylist.txt` Should say that it would install a whole lot of packages! then do: emerge `cat mylist.txt` emerge `cat mylist.txt` displays a long list of [ebuild N ] kde-base/kde-3.1.4 .. etc. and it'll go off and do it. The advantage of this is that you can prepare a whole lot of packages that you want it to compile and then leave it for a long time, rather than having to be at the computer or going back every hour or so. Get a nice long list of everything you want and then leave your computer to build it all over the weekend or whatever. However I hesitate to install kde from net because of my slow PC. I don't know how long it will take. I am in anticipation to use the pre-compile kde packages on CD2 - snip - What command shall be used? I have all tarballs copied to /usr/portage/packages/ALL/ emerge packagename where packagename is something like "kde" or "mozilla" or "app-office/sc" (without the quotes). Adding a -k before the package name will try and use a binary if it's available. In many ways this defies the point of gentoo though, as it's supposed to be a source based distribution (makes things run faster). Also, -k only installs binaries if they're available, otherwise it compiles from source. That's about all I can think of, if I've missed anything or said anything wrong, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will pick up on it and correct me. I think the key thing when you're installing gentoo (which hopefully I'll finish eventually!) is to be very very very very very very very patient. Noted with thanks B.R. Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
At 12:54 PM 10/15/2003, you wrote: Just installed gentoo and from the base install it took about a day to compile and install kde (including all it's dependencies like XFree86). This is on an Athlon 1.3 Noted with thanks I did my first "emerge world -uv" (this updates *all* installed packages, as I understand it) last night. Here's what was available to update: emerge world -uvp These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] app-admin/metalog-0.6-r11 [0.6-r10] [ebuild N ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.4.20-r7 [ebuild U ] dev-libs/glib-2.2.3 [2.2.2] [ebuild U ] kde-base/arts-1.1.4 [1.1.3] [ebuild U ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.16 [2.3.14] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.1.4 [3.1.3-r1] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdeedu-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdebase-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdenetwork-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] sys-apps/tcp-wrappers-7.6-r6 [7.6-r4] [ebuild U ] media-sound/esound-0.2.32 [0.2.29-r1] [ebuild U ] dev-lang/nasm-0.98.38 [0.98.36] [ebuild U ] dev-libs/DirectFB-0.9.19-r1 [0.9.18] [ebuild U ] x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r3 [4.3.0-r2] [ebuild U ] media-libs/libsdl-1.2.6-r1 [1.2.5-r2] +svga -aalib +opengl [ebuild N ] sys-libs/lib-compat-1.2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/divx4linux-20030428-r1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/win32codecs-0.90.1-r2 [ebuild N ] media-libs/xvid-0.9.1 [ebuild N ] media-libs/flac-1.1.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/libfame-0.9.0 [ebuild N ] media-libs/xine-lib-1_beta12 [ebuild N ] media-video/xanim-2.80.1-r4 [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdemultimedia-3.1.4-r1 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdeaddons-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdepim-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdetoys-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdegames-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild N ] media-libs/glut-3.7.1 [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdegraphics-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdeadmin-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdeartwork-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kdeutils-3.1.4 [3.1.3] [ebuild U ] kde-base/kde-3.1.4 [3.1.3] I was curious how long it would take, so I used the "time" command to time it for me. It took 361 minutes (just about 6 hours on the nose). Hall -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
If you have mysql, you can add portagesql.. I wouldn't advise using it for everyday use, however, I searching is awesome.. emergesql -s kde - takes about 2 seconds to come back.. :) Just to bad the portage guys don't see the value in a sql backend. > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:54 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question > > > Hi Jon, > > >> If you know the name of the package, have a look in > /usr/portage with > >> find, e.g. > >> > >> cd /usr/portage > >> find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 > >> find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 > >> > >> Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package > listing on the > >> gentoo website. > > > > > > Or try > > emerge search > > e.g. > > emerge search kde > > Broadband connected > # emerge search kde > /tmp/kde-search > > (kde-search is attached to this posting) > > >> - snip - > >> > >> check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then > go home for > >> the weekend. You never know, it might be done! > > > > Just installed gentoo and from the base install it took > about a day to > > compile and install kde (including all it's dependencies like > > XFree86). This is on an Athlon 1.3 > > Noted with thanks > > B.R. > Stephen > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Hi Jon, If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with find, e.g. cd /usr/portage find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the gentoo website. Or try emerge search e.g. emerge search kde Broadband connected # emerge search kde > /tmp/kde-search (kde-search is attached to this posting) - snip - check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then go home for the weekend. You never know, it might be done! Just installed gentoo and from the base install it took about a day to compile and install kde (including all it's dependencies like XFree86). This is on an Athlon 1.3 Noted with thanks B.R. Stephen Searching... [ Results for search key : kde ] [ Applications found : 24 ] * app-doc/kdelibs-apidocs Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 10,290 kB Homepage:http//developer.kde.org/ Description: API documentation autogenerated from the kde-base/kdelibs package * dev-python/pykde Latest version available: 3.7.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 615 kB Homepage:http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pykde/ Description: set of Python bindings for the KDE libs * dev-util/kdevelop Latest version available: 2.1.5 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,754 kB Homepage:http://www.kdevelop.org/ Description: KDevelop 2.1.5 * kde-base/kde Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 0 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE 3.1 - merge this to pull in all non-developer kde-base/* packages * kde-base/kde-env Latest version available: 3-r2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 0 kB Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org/ Description: Sets up some env.d files for kde * kde-base/kde-i18n Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 340,302 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE 3.1.4 - i18n: kde-i18n * kde-base/kdeaccessibility [ Masked ] Latest version available: 3.2.0_alpha2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,183 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE accessibility module * kde-base/kdeaddons Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,057 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE addon modules: plugins for konqueror, noatun etc * kde-base/kdeadmin Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 1,522 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE administration tools (user manager, etc.) * kde-base/kdeartwork Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 13,526 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE artwork package * kde-base/kdebase Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 14,835 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE base packages: the desktop, panel, window manager, konqueror... * kde-base/kdebindings Latest version available: 3.1.2 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 6,028 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE library bindings for languages other than c++ * kde-base/kdeedu Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 19,570 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE educational apps * kde-base/kdegames Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 8,335 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE games (solitaire :-) * kde-base/kdegraphics Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 4,487 kB Homepage:http://www.kde.org/ Description: KDE graphics-related apps * kde-base/kdelibs Latest version available: 3.1.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 10,290 kB Homepage:http//www.kde.org/ Description: KDE libraries needed by all kde programs * kde-base/kdemultimedia Latest version available: 3.1.4-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Thus spake Ernie Schroder: > On Monday 13 October 2003 01:11 pm, A. S. Budden wrote: > > Even better! (I will RTFM at some point... maybe when I've finally > > got kde, qt, mozillafirebird etc compiled... give me a week or so!) > > > So you would advocate that a surgeon attend medical school AFTER his > first heart transplant? No, but I did read all the installation guides and so on, so I'm not THAT bad (ok, I am a bit of a sinner!). I didn't particularly need to use the more advanced features of emerge yet, I was just trying to help Stephen Liu out. There's only so much of a manual that I can take in and understand if I haven't got the ability to try the program out (as my 'puter's in the middle of chewing on kde etc). Al -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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On Monday 13 October 2003 01:11 pm, A. S. Budden wrote: > Thus spake Andrew Gaffney: > > A. S. Budden wrote: > > >emerge search sc > > > > > >will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in. In amongst > > > these is app-office/sc, so go to > > > http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and click on > > > app-office, then sc. This will give you a few details, > > > including the developer homepage etc. In most cases, I think > > > you can bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.) > > >http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml > > > > > >Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc > > > in their name, so you'll get lots of results. In this case you > > > might want to try > > > > > >emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$' > > > > > >or something like that. > > > > 'emerge search' does support searching with regular expressions. > > Even better! (I will RTFM at some point... maybe when I've finally > got kde, qt, mozillafirebird etc compiled... give me a week or so!) > > Al > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list So you would advocate that a surgeon attend medical school AFTER his first heart transplant? -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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A. S. Budden wrote: Thus spake Andrew Gaffney: A. S. Budden wrote: emerge search sc will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in. In amongst these is app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and click on app-office, then sc. This will give you a few details, including the developer homepage etc. In most cases, I think you can bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.) http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their name, so you'll get lots of results. In this case you might want to try emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$' or something like that. 'emerge search' does support searching with regular expressions. Even better! (I will RTFM at some point... maybe when I've finally got kde, qt, mozillafirebird etc compiled... give me a week or so!) So, the equivelant of what you tried to do is 'emerge -s ^sc$'. The regex is matched only on the package name, not the category. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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Thus spake Andrew Gaffney: > A. S. Budden wrote: > >emerge search sc > > > >will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in. In amongst these is > >app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and > >click on app-office, then sc. This will give you a few details, > >including the developer homepage etc. In most cases, I think you can > >bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.) > >http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml > > > >Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their > >name, so you'll get lots of results. In this case you might want to try > > > >emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$' > > > >or something like that. > > 'emerge search' does support searching with regular expressions. > Even better! (I will RTFM at some point... maybe when I've finally got kde, qt, mozillafirebird etc compiled... give me a week or so!) Al -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
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A. S. Budden wrote: emerge search sc will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in. In amongst these is app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and click on app-office, then sc. This will give you a few details, including the developer homepage etc. In most cases, I think you can bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.) http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their name, so you'll get lots of results. In this case you might want to try emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$' or something like that. 'emerge search' does support searching with regular expressions. -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Thus spake Stephen Liu: > Hi Al, > > Thanks for your advice. > > >>>- snip - > >>> > >>> > >>How can I know they are available on net/website > >> > >> > > > >If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with > >find, e.g. > > > >cd /usr/portage > >find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 > >find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 > > > > > # find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 > ./app-office/openoffice-bin > ./app-office/openoffice > > Then what command shall I issue to install them > > 1) emerge -k openoffice > or > 2) ./openoffice-bin I'd imagine it would be emerge -k openoffice... have a look on the online package database at the descriptions of both. Will probably give a better indication. 2) should be emerge -k openoffice-bin I think > > >Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the > >gentoo website. > > > > > How to make such a search, what command to use? Unfortunately, there isn't a web based search. You can do: emerge search As another poster suggested (I didn't know this, but then I only started using gentoo on friday!). Once you know which section it's in, you can go and have a look on the website for more details, e.g. with sc, type: emerge search sc will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in. In amongst these is app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and click on app-office, then sc. This will give you a few details, including the developer homepage etc. In most cases, I think you can bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.) http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their name, so you'll get lots of results. In this case you might want to try emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$' or something like that. > > >>>emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and > >>>compile > >>> > >>> > >>During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running > >> > >># emerge -k kde > >>and > >># emerge -k xfree > >> > >>Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to > >>reboot the PC. The download time was short but the installation time > >>was endless with screen running continuously. > >> > >> > > > >There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or > >something, so it's compiling from source. This takes a LONG time! I'm > >currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly > >fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for > >a while. Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say) > >emergenext.txt, then do > > > >emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt` > > > >check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then go home for > >the weekend. You never know, it might be done! > > > > > I tried follow; > > # emerge -p `cat mozilla` > cat: mozilla: No such file or directory. > > Whether it means mozilla not available. OR I made an incorrect example My apologies, I obviously didn't explain myself well enough. Try this and see if it makes it any clearer: echo net-www/mozilla > mylist.txt echo net-www/w3m >> mylist.txt echo kde >> mylist.txt emerge -p `cat mylist.txt` Should say that it would install a whole lot of packages! then do: emerge `cat mylist.txt` and it'll go off and do it. The advantage of this is that you can prepare a whole lot of packages that you want it to compile and then leave it for a long time, rather than having to be at the computer or going back every hour or so. Get a nice long list of everything you want and then leave your computer to build it all over the weekend or whatever. > > >>>Root installs, user runs. > >>> > >>> > >>Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder? Will installation > >>find the right folder automatically. > >> > >> > > > >Don't. Let portage do the work. Just use emerge. > > > > > What command shall be used? I have all tarballs copied to > /usr/portage/packages/ALL/ emerge packagename where packagename is something like "kde" or "mozilla" or "app-office/sc" (without the quotes). Adding a -k before the package name will try and use a binary if it's available. In many ways this defies the point of gentoo though, as it's supposed to be a source based distribution (makes things run faster). Also, -k only installs binaries if they're available, otherwise it compiles from source. That's about all I can think of, if I've missed anything or said anything wrong, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will pick up on it and correct me. I think the key thing when you're installing gentoo (which hopefully I'll finish eventually!) is to be very very very very very very very patient. Hope that helps Al -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
On Monday 13 October 2003 12:07 pm, Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi Al, > > Thanks for your advice. > > >>>- snip - > >> > >>How can I know they are available on net/website > > > >If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage > > with find, e.g. > > > >cd /usr/portage > >find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 > >find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 > > # find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 > ./app-office/openoffice-bin > ./app-office/openoffice > > Then what command shall I issue to install them > > 1) emerge -k openoffice > or > 2) ./openoffice-bin Openoffice-bin will definately install faster (26 minutes on my box) but at the expense of some speed running the app later. Openoffice will take a long time to compile. (according to my logs 37 hrs & 20 min) My box is an Athlon XP2100 with 512 Megs RAM > > >Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on > > the gentoo website. > > How to make such a search, what command to use? > > >>>emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download > >>> and compile > >> > >>During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty > >> on running > >> > >># emerge -k kde > >>and > >># emerge -k xfree > >> > >>Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me > >> to reboot the PC. The download time was short but the > >> installation time was endless with screen running continuously. > > > >There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or > >something, so it's compiling from source. This takes a LONG time! > > I'm currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs > > on my fairly fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't > > expect it to finish for a while. Write a list of what you want > > to install, save it in (say) emergenext.txt, then do > > > >emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt` > > > >check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then go home > > for the weekend. You never know, it might be done! > > I tried follow; > > # emerge -p `cat mozilla` > cat: mozilla: No such file or directory. > > Whether it means mozilla not available. OR I made an incorrect > example > > >>>Root installs, user runs. > >> > >>Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder? Will > >> installation find the right folder automatically. > > > >Don't. Let portage do the work. Just use emerge. > > What command shall be used? I have all tarballs copied to > /usr/portage/packages/ALL/ > > Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. > > B.R. > Stephen > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Hi Al, Thanks for your advice. - snip - How can I know they are available on net/website If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with find, e.g. cd /usr/portage find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 # find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 ./app-office/openoffice-bin ./app-office/openoffice Then what command shall I issue to install them 1) emerge -k openoffice or 2) ./openoffice-bin Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the gentoo website. How to make such a search, what command to use? emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running # emerge -k kde and # emerge -k xfree Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to reboot the PC. The download time was short but the installation time was endless with screen running continuously. There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or something, so it's compiling from source. This takes a LONG time! I'm currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for a while. Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say) emergenext.txt, then do emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt` check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then go home for the weekend. You never know, it might be done! I tried follow; # emerge -p `cat mozilla` cat: mozilla: No such file or directory. Whether it means mozilla not available. OR I made an incorrect example Root installs, user runs. Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder? Will installation find the right folder automatically. Don't. Let portage do the work. Just use emerge. What command shall be used? I have all tarballs copied to /usr/portage/packages/ALL/ Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Let emerge take care of that. For example emerge MozillaFirebird downloads and installs the app and takse care of file handling and install the apps so anyone can use them. I'm not sure why you want user to install them - once they are installed anyone can use them - however, portage has the ability to let users who are members of the portage group install programs. For OpenOffice you install as root with the net option, then each user runs setup to setup things pertanant to him. On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:23:07 +0800 Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all folks, I just completed installing Gentoo 1.4 Now its is running. My next step will be installing packages such as browser, email software, OpenOffice, etc. Where will be the preferrable folder/directory to untar the tarballs. Is it # tar -jxvf /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2 -C /usr/local/ ??? so that both ROOT and USER can install/setup/run them without problem Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen Liu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
A. S. Budden wrote: Thus spake Stephen Liu: Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. emerge package # download and compile How can I know they are available on net/website If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with find, e.g. cd /usr/portage find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the gentoo website. Or try emerge search e.g. emerge search kde emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running # emerge -k kde and # emerge -k xfree Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to reboot the PC. The download time was short but the installation time was endless with screen running continuously. There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or something, so it's compiling from source. This takes a LONG time! I'm currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for a while. Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say) emergenext.txt, then do emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt` check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then go home for the weekend. You never know, it might be done! Just installed gentoo and from the base install it took about a day to compile and install kde (including all it's dependencies like XFree86). This is on an Athlon 1.3 Root installs, user runs. Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder? Will installation find the right folder automatically. Don't. Let portage do the work. Just use emerge. Try mounting the CD then running PKGIR=/path/to/packages/on/cd emerge -k kde (obviously specifying the right path) This might only save you the download though, not the compile, plus I've not tried it myself, this is from reading the portage manual (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml). JD -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Thus spake Stephen Liu: > >>Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. > >> > >> > > > >emerge package # download and compile > > > > > How can I know they are available on net/website If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with find, e.g. cd /usr/portage find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2 find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2 Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the gentoo website. > > >emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile > > > > > During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running > > # emerge -k kde > and > # emerge -k xfree > > Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to > reboot the PC. The download time was short but the installation time > was endless with screen running continuously. There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or something, so it's compiling from source. This takes a LONG time! I'm currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for a while. Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say) emergenext.txt, then do emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt` check the results, then do the same without the -p. Then go home for the weekend. You never know, it might be done! > > >Root installs, user runs. > > > > > Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder? Will installation > find the right folder automatically. Don't. Let portage do the work. Just use emerge. Hope that helps, Al -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 13 October 2003 16:14, Stephen Liu wrote: > >emerge package # download and compile > > How can I know they are available on net/website They are. Not possible to add ebuilds to portage for things that aren't available. How could the developer develop it otherwise? > >emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and > > compile > > During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running > > # emerge -k kde > and > # emerge -k xfree > > Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to > reboot the PC. The download time was short but the installation time > was endless with screen running continuously. If the binary wasn't in the correct place, or usuable (for whatever reason) emerge will download the source and compile it. This can take a very long time. I don't use binary packages, so am unsure of exactly what happens, but no doubt you will be told if the binary package was unusuable. If it just goes and gets the source and starts compiling the binary package wasn't were portage expected it to be. > >Root installs, user runs. > > Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder? Will installation > find the right folder automatically. I think you are missing the point of Gentoo. You don't do anything but issue a command, portage does the rest. - -- Mike Williams -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/isMLInuLMrk7bIwRApTEAKCBaPglnputtlV9zz26Xjk/8pKJbwCfRg/k ukSU2TELWhhVq2l0Bv9kUnA= =176M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
Hi Mike, Thanks for your response. I just completed installing Gentoo 1.4 Now its is running. My next step will be installing packages such as browser, email software, OpenOffice, etc. Where will be the preferrable folder/directory to untar the tarballs. Is it # tar -jxvf /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2 -C /usr/local/ ??? so that both ROOT and USER can install/setup/run them without problem Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. emerge package # download and compile How can I know they are available on net/website emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running # emerge -k kde and # emerge -k xfree Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to reboot the PC. The download time was short but the installation time was endless with screen running continuously. Root installs, user runs. Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder? Will installation find the right folder automatically. Thanks B.R. Stephen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 13 October 2003 15:23, Stephen Liu wrote: > Hi all folks, > > I just completed installing Gentoo 1.4 Now its is running. My next > step will be installing packages such as browser, email software, > OpenOffice, etc. > > Where will be the preferrable folder/directory to untar the tarballs. Is > it > > # tar -jxvf /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2 -C /usr/local/ ??? > > so that both ROOT and USER can install/setup/run them without problem > > Kindly advise. Thanks in advance. emerge package # download and compile emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile Root installs, user runs. - -- Mike Williams -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ircwInuLMrk7bIwRAkZdAKCv0t5HoJldALyd8rsb2DFXf1AosACeLxIS Cn1F80vZyRA7hbLpriwlEQ4= =mzZO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
