Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Jonas Widarsson wrote: Jonas Widarsson wrote: ... and I'll try fips from my mandrake CD tomorrow or later this week. ...or whatever suitable utility that is suggested by mandrake install... Jonas I didn't really do that. Instead, I read about fips in the provided documents, and decided to try it. * I formatted a floppy disk for restorrb data, whatever it may be. * I booted XP into fail safe, or whatever it is called in english. It is "felsäkert läge" in swedish. * I executed defrag of my 80GB...(from within console manager, "datorhantering" in swedish) Took som good long hours. Probably six or eight. * I restarted from an old win98 boot disk to get into DOS. * I executed fips, and after some informative messages, it exited (before doing anything) with some complaining about sector counts: The message was something like: Sector count (long) does not match partition. *digits* and *little different digits*. Exiting. Bye! So It didn't work. Some extra information about my XP Home installation procedure: The partition was initially populated from a recovery CD provided by Acer. The first time I started the computer it was empty and I put the CD in and rebooted. I followed on screen instructions to format the drive (and NTFS was no option there, I tell you). I relied completely on the possibility of using fips later in chance of a linux install, (hadn't yet tried gentoo linux then) so I gave the whole 80 GB to fat32. those 80 GB became something like 74 GiB. Then symantec ghost "installed" windows for me. I was wondering if it is that ghost install procedure that whacked up my sector counts? Jonas O/T: For those of you thinking GiB was a typo: http://klabs.org/DEI/References/units/binary_prefixes.htm (couldn't find any better url) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 02:50, Collins Richey wrote: > On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:33:16 +0100 Redeeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > just to warn you, i just emerged qt parted and made a test with resize > > of fat32, and it failed, but recover tools could fix it though, (i didnt > > loose my own data, i had test partitions) > > > > What were the error messages? sorry i dont remember, and i cant check again, i have already made the nessecary partitions i needed :| -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:33:16 +0100 Redeeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just to warn you, i just emerged qt parted and made a test with resize > of fat32, and it failed, but recover tools could fix it though, (i didnt > loose my own data, i had test partitions) > What were the error messages? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
HMm, re-reading it doesn't really make sense.. I have used parted on fat32 just fine. I know it works.. If your not getting it to work, maybe it something local. > Nope.. > > Q: What is QTParted ? > A: QTParted is an attempt to create a linux-based clone of > Partition Magic. Actually, a clone already exists called > "parted". It allows the creation, reorganization, and removal > of partitions. But "parted" has a command line based > interface, which can be difficult for a newbie to use. > However the developer of "parted" decided to separate the > core of the program from its interface. So the program > "parted" is actually a simple command line UI to libparted. > Libparted is the core that actually does the partition > editing. QTParted is a GUI created around libparted written > in QT (hence the name... QT + Parted = QTParted). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
then i guess qtparted and parted does the same On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 21:44, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > > isnt qtparted just a frontend? > > > > On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 21:37, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > > > > just to warn you, i just emerged qt parted and made a > > test with resize > > > > of fat32, and it failed, but recover tools could fix it > > > > though, (i didnt > > > > loose my own data, i had test partitions) > > > > > > > > > > QTparted and parted are not the same.. Parted does much > > more that qtparted does... You have to watch out for that. > > > > > > Parted should split fat32 just fine. > > Nope.. > > Q: What is QTParted ? > A: QTParted is an attempt to create a linux-based clone of Partition Magic. > Actually, a clone already exists called "parted". It allows the creation, > reorganization, and removal of partitions. But "parted" has a command line based > interface, which can be difficult for a newbie to use. > However the developer of "parted" decided to separate the core of the program from > its interface. So the program "parted" is actually a simple command line UI to > libparted. Libparted is the core that actually does the partition editing. QTParted > is a GUI created around libparted written in QT (hence the name... QT + Parted = > QTParted). > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
> isnt qtparted just a frontend? > > On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 21:37, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > > > just to warn you, i just emerged qt parted and made a > test with resize > > > of fat32, and it failed, but recover tools could fix it > > > though, (i didnt > > > loose my own data, i had test partitions) > > > > > > > QTparted and parted are not the same.. Parted does much > more that qtparted does... You have to watch out for that. > > > > Parted should split fat32 just fine. Nope.. Q: What is QTParted ? A: QTParted is an attempt to create a linux-based clone of Partition Magic. Actually, a clone already exists called "parted". It allows the creation, reorganization, and removal of partitions. But "parted" has a command line based interface, which can be difficult for a newbie to use. However the developer of "parted" decided to separate the core of the program from its interface. So the program "parted" is actually a simple command line UI to libparted. Libparted is the core that actually does the partition editing. QTParted is a GUI created around libparted written in QT (hence the name... QT + Parted = QTParted). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
isnt qtparted just a frontend? On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 21:37, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > > just to warn you, i just emerged qt parted and made a test with resize > > of fat32, and it failed, but recover tools could fix it > > though, (i didnt > > loose my own data, i had test partitions) > > > > QTparted and parted are not the same.. Parted does much more that qtparted does... > You have to watch out for that. > > Parted should split fat32 just fine. -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
> just to warn you, i just emerged qt parted and made a test with resize > of fat32, and it failed, but recover tools could fix it > though, (i didnt > loose my own data, i had test partitions) > QTparted and parted are not the same.. Parted does much more that qtparted does... You have to watch out for that. Parted should split fat32 just fine. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
If partd is on the gentoo LiveCD (and I'm too lazy to check, but I think it is) then simply boot form the LiveCD and run it. I do believe that's how I made room to dual-boot my laptop. Let me know how I may be of service, =C= * Cal Evans * http://www.eicc.com * We take care of your IT, * So you can take care of your business. * * I think inside the sphere. Jonas Widarsson wrote: daniel wrote: i think what you're looking for is gnu parted # emerge --search parted should get you what you need Hmm. That's when the system runs .. How are things now again... *thinking* *trying to remember* Is there a "ram disk" I can install it to during gentoo install before fdisk and chroot? Because if I can't, whats the use of a linux utility when there is no linux on the computer? Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
just to warn you, i just emerged qt parted and made a test with resize of fat32, and it failed, but recover tools could fix it though, (i didnt loose my own data, i had test partitions) On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 21:28, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > daniel wrote: > > >i think what you're looking for is gnu parted > > > > # emerge --search parted > > > >should get you what you need > > > > > Hmm. > That's when the system runs .. > > How are things now again... *thinking* *trying to remember* > > Is there a "ram disk" I can install it to during gentoo install before > fdisk and chroot? > > Because if I can't, whats the use of a linux utility when there is no > linux on the computer? > > Jonas > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
daniel wrote: i think what you're looking for is gnu parted # emerge --search parted should get you what you need Hmm. That's when the system runs .. How are things now again... *thinking* *trying to remember* Is there a "ram disk" I can install it to during gentoo install before fdisk and chroot? Because if I can't, whats the use of a linux utility when there is no linux on the computer? Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Jeffrey Smelser wrote: oppps, daniel did not write this, Jonas did.. Sorry daniel.. daniel wrote: Well... My bank uses a "security plugin" that only supports IE or Netscape 4 on mac or windows. *ugly words*... Are you sure? Mozilla supports netscape plugins... As well as Konquorer I will have to investigate what is blocking the access; missing plugin or "wrong" browser. If a browser can both mask its face walking in and load the plugin, things would be different But still, that security plugin is of course a commersial closed source thing that, if my memory is correct, only supports mac and windows. But I'll investigate that. Big thanks to you all if I can trick myself into my bank account using linux. I would never have gotten the idea without you guys ;) Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Mark Knecht wrote:
> but I got some really ugly messages in
> the xterm I started to run it, so I wasn't sure if I should go any
> further just yet.
Yep. You can. I've resized many FAT{,32} partitions from my customers and
friends. I can't remember for sure, but I think I did a NTFS resize too.
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Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:43:35 +0100 Matthieu Amiguet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would suggest QtParted (a gui for parted, > > http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/). I've never used it, but it looks > > like it should work with FAT32. > > > > As already mentioned, KNOPPIX would be helpful to get started since you > > can boot from it and will have a full set of gnu/linux tools available. > > QtParted (and hence parted) are included with the latest KNOPPIX. > > > > I used QtParted from Knoppix to resize my 40Gb NTFS partition to something > more sensible. Didn't try fat32, though. The only problem was that XP put some > stuff (journaling files?) in the middle of the partition and I did not manage > to move it, so I wasn't able to resize to something smaller than 18Gb. Apart > from that, I had no problem with this method. > There are a fair number of references to this XP behavior at linux-laptop.net. The recommended cure is to use XP to remove the swap file, defrag, checkdisk, resize the partition, fdisk to reset the partition table, then you can readd the swap file with XP. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On 2003-12-01, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > [...] > Haha > I kinda felt gentoo users are mostly the kind that doesn't use windows > at all, and dual boot for the sake of windows is something rare among > this freedom loving crowd. > I must say that I have never seen as many Outlook/Outlook Express users on any Linux users list as this one before, so I guess there are some Gentoo users out there using Windows. Or perhaps it's the other way round? > I said before somewhere that I would toss windows out of the window if > it wasn't for all the games for windows, everyone else using IE and my > internet bank system doesn't support mozilla. > It's up to us users to *make* them change that. We managed to make Föreningssparbanken change from IE + Netscape 4.* only to start supporting Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror... Cheers, /HÖ -- /// Helgi Örn Helgason, Registered GNU/Linux User: #189958 \\\ \\\ ~~~ Gentoo 1.4 * Kernel 2.4.20 * KDE 3.1.4 ~~~ /// -- Violence stinks, no matter which end of it you're on. But now and then there's nothing left to do but hit the other person over the head with a frying pan. Sometimes people are just begging for that frypan, and if we weaken for a moment and honor their request, we should regard it as impulsive philanthropy, which we aren't in any position to afford, but shouldn't regret it too loudly lest we spoil the purity of the deed. -- Tom Robbins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
> I would suggest QtParted (a gui for parted, > http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/). I've never used it, but it looks > like it should work with FAT32. > > As already mentioned, KNOPPIX would be helpful to get started since you > can boot from it and will have a full set of gnu/linux tools available. > QtParted (and hence parted) are included with the latest KNOPPIX. > I used QtParted from Knoppix to resize my 40Gb NTFS partition to something more sensible. Didn't try fat32, though. The only problem was that XP put some stuff (journaling files?) in the middle of the partition and I did not manage to move it, so I wasn't able to resize to something smaller than 18Gb. Apart from that, I had no problem with this method. Matthieu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:46, Jonathan Stickel wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > It looks quite nice, but the features page doesn't list FAT as a supported > > file system type... > > > > - Mark > > > It is really strange that that qtparted web page deosn't list FAT32 > support. I am very sure it is supported, though: a) parted itself > explicitly supports fat32 (man parted), and b) this screenshot of > qtparted shows a resize dialog of a fat32 partition: > http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/images/screenshot-002-a.jpg > > Jonathan I built qtparted this afternoon. It's interface is quite nice. (Dare I say a bit too much like the Windows XP Disk manager app.) The app recognized my FAT32 partition, but I got some really ugly messages in the xterm I started to run it, so I wasn't sure if I should go any further just yet. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Mark Knecht wrote: I would suggest QtParted (a gui for parted, http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/). I've never used it, but it looks like it should work with FAT32. As already mentioned, KNOPPIX would be helpful to get started since you can boot from it and will have a full set of gnu/linux tools available. QtParted (and hence parted) are included with the latest KNOPPIX. Jonathan It looks quite nice, but the features page doesn't list FAT as a supported file system type... - Mark It is really strange that that qtparted web page deosn't list FAT32 support. I am very sure it is supported, though: a) parted itself explicitly supports fat32 (man parted), and b) this screenshot of qtparted shows a resize dialog of a fat32 partition: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/images/screenshot-002-a.jpg Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
if you mean fat isnt supported by knoppix i can tell you it is, but its not a "feature" to list as its in the kernel On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 00:40, Mark Knecht wrote: > > I would suggest QtParted (a gui for parted, > > http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/). I've never used it, but it looks > > like it should work with FAT32. > > > > As already mentioned, KNOPPIX would be helpful to get started since you > > can boot from it and will have a full set of gnu/linux tools available. > > QtParted (and hence parted) are included with the latest KNOPPIX. > > > > Jonathan > > It looks quite nice, but the features page doesn't list FAT as a supported > file system type... > > - Mark > > > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
ntfs READ is rock solid in linux, never tried to write, but in the new 2.6 partly stabile write support is On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 23:11, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > Tom Wesley wrote: > > >On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 21:57, Ric Messier wrote: > > > > > >>On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: > >> > >> > Well... XP home does not support NTFS. > Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? > > > >>>Err, I'm surprised, but somehow I find it believable... > >>> > >>> > >>Actually, I don't find it believable at all since I've installed XP Home a > >>couple of times with NTFS. > >> > >>Ric > >> > >> > > > >Given that, Jonas, have you tried `convert` from the command line? > > > > > OH SHT! > I didn't know of that! > > Seems like doing it, but I'm suspicious about NTFS and the linux kernel. > Has it got out of EXPERIMENTAL ? > > I lost a great deal of data using mandrake one year ago and writing one > file to an NTFS partition. (it was backed up though) > All files disappeared. Folders left undestroyed. > > And what about permissions in NTFS when XP doesn't even have a decent > way to manage it... Not like w2k anyway. > maybe the GUI changes its behaviour when filesystem type changes? > Yeah, I know. "discuss that somewhere else, kid." > > Jonas > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Jonas Widarsson wrote: Well... My bank uses a "security plugin" that only supports IE or Netscape 4 on mac or windows. *ugly words*... Which one is it ? I guess 1-st Albanian ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
> I would suggest QtParted (a gui for parted, > http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/). I've never used it, but it looks > like it should work with FAT32. > > As already mentioned, KNOPPIX would be helpful to get started since you > can boot from it and will have a full set of gnu/linux tools available. > QtParted (and hence parted) are included with the latest KNOPPIX. > > Jonathan It looks quite nice, but the features page doesn't list FAT as a supported file system type... - Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Jonas Widarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well... XP home does not support NTFS. > Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? Not true. -- Hilsen Harald. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
daniel wrote: On December 1, 2003 03:32 pm, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Jonas Widarsson wrote: I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? Older Slackware Install CDs (and possible newer) distributed a utility called fips that could split a FAT16/32 partition. i think what you're looking for is gnu parted # emerge --search parted should get you what you need I would suggest QtParted (a gui for parted, http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/). I've never used it, but it looks like it should work with FAT32. As already mentioned, KNOPPIX would be helpful to get started since you can boot from it and will have a full set of gnu/linux tools available. QtParted (and hence parted) are included with the latest KNOPPIX. Jonathan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
I feel sorry for you, those banks that use stupid plugins are slow in loading time, my bank uses ssl connection, I can use any ssl capable browsers, the cool thing is with konqueror and mozilla the site just looks like using IE no crappy webdesign. - Original Message - From: "Jonas Widarsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop. > Tom Wesley wrote: > > > (Anyone jealous?) > > Haha > I kinda felt gentoo users are mostly the kind that doesn't use windows > at all, and dual boot for the sake of windows is something rare among > this freedom loving crowd. > > I said before somewhere that I would toss windows out of the window if > it wasn't for all the games for windows, everyone else using IE and my > internet bank system doesn't support mozilla. > > Jonas > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > OH SHT! > I didn't know of that! > convert works well. been a while since i've used it. requires a reboot since it won't convert a live filesystem (needs to mount it read only to convert, iirc). > Seems like doing it, but I'm suspicious about NTFS and the linux kernel. > Has it got out of EXPERIMENTAL ? > No, but I've used it off and on for a few years without incident. Of course, read-write is REALLY experimental. I think I've used that before too but it would have been a long time ago. Ahhh, but you want write support. I probably wouldn't recommend it. I'd be surprised if the Linux kernel driver has kept up with the latest version of NTFS given how the feature has never moved out of experimental to begin with. > > And what about permissions in NTFS when XP doesn't even have a decent > way to manage it... Not like w2k anyway. > maybe the GUI changes its behaviour when filesystem type changes? > Yeah, I know. "discuss that somewhere else, kid." > XP changes file system permissions says as W2K did. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
oppps, daniel did not write this, Jonas did.. Sorry daniel.. > > daniel wrote: > > > > > > > Well... > > My bank uses a "security plugin" that only supports IE or > > Netscape 4 on > > mac or windows. > > *ugly words*... > > Are you sure? Mozilla supports netscape plugins... As well as > Konquorer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > What? > I'm pretty sure I was never given that option! Would have been during the install. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/howto/gettingstarted/guide/newinstallation.asp > My XP is swedish, but it can't be about that, can it? > I wouldn't think so. XP is XP. I've installed NT 4.0 in Japanese with a Japanese guy standing behind me for translations. Turns out I didn't need them. I had installed it so many times I knew what it said before he could read it to me. The installation was identical. Can't imagine it would have been any different with other languages. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Tom Wesley wrote: On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 21:57, Ric Messier wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: Well... XP home does not support NTFS. Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? Err, I'm surprised, but somehow I find it believable... Actually, I don't find it believable at all since I've installed XP Home a couple of times with NTFS. Ric Given that, Jonas, have you tried `convert` from the command line? OH SHT! I didn't know of that! Seems like doing it, but I'm suspicious about NTFS and the linux kernel. Has it got out of EXPERIMENTAL ? I lost a great deal of data using mandrake one year ago and writing one file to an NTFS partition. (it was backed up though) All files disappeared. Folders left undestroyed. And what about permissions in NTFS when XP doesn't even have a decent way to manage it... Not like w2k anyway. maybe the GUI changes its behaviour when filesystem type changes? Yeah, I know. "discuss that somewhere else, kid." Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
> daniel wrote: > > > > Well... > My bank uses a "security plugin" that only supports IE or > Netscape 4 on > mac or windows. > *ugly words*... Are you sure? Mozilla supports netscape plugins... As well as Konquorer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, daniel wrote: > > you'd be surprised at what mozilla would support. you just have to get > mozilla to tell the site it's talking to that it's actually inernet exploder > running on windows xp ;-) i use this trick to do much of my online banking > 'cause i know damn well that konqueror is more stable and secure than ie. in > kde, all you have to do is "configure konqueror" and select "browser > identification" but i don't know what it would be in mozilla (though i'm sure > such an option exists). > I've used that feature in Konqueror back when I used KDE. I do wish someone would come up with a useful alternate browser for Gnome (or non-DE systems) to Mozilla which really sucks rocks, IMO. I don't believe that such a feature exists for Mozilla. Why would Mozilla ever want to masquerade as another browser? :-) Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Ric Messier wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: Well... XP home does not support NTFS. Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? Err, I'm surprised, but somehow I find it believable... Actually, I don't find it believable at all since I've installed XP Home a couple of times with NTFS. Ric What? I'm pretty sure I was never given that option! My XP is swedish, but it can't be about that, can it? Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
daniel wrote: On December 1, 2003 04:37 pm, Jonas Widarsson wrote: I said before somewhere that I would toss windows out of the window if it wasn't for all the games for windows, everyone else using IE and my internet bank system doesn't support mozilla. you'd be surprised at what mozilla would support. you just have to get mozilla to tell the site it's talking to that it's actually inernet exploder running on windows xp ;-) i use this trick to do much of my online banking 'cause i know damn well that konqueror is more stable and secure than ie. in kde, all you have to do is "configure konqueror" and select "browser identification" but i don't know what it would be in mozilla (though i'm sure such an option exists). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Well... My bank uses a "security plugin" that only supports IE or Netscape 4 on mac or windows. *ugly words*... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 21:57, Ric Messier wrote: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: > > > > > > > Well... XP home does not support NTFS. > > > Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? > > > > Err, I'm surprised, but somehow I find it believable... > > Actually, I don't find it believable at all since I've installed XP Home a > couple of times with NTFS. > > Ric Given that, Jonas, have you tried `convert` from the command line? -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On December 1, 2003 04:37 pm, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > I said before somewhere that I would toss windows out of the window if > it wasn't for all the games for windows, everyone else using IE and my > internet bank system doesn't support mozilla. you'd be surprised at what mozilla would support. you just have to get mozilla to tell the site it's talking to that it's actually inernet exploder running on windows xp ;-) i use this trick to do much of my online banking 'cause i know damn well that konqueror is more stable and secure than ie. in kde, all you have to do is "configure konqueror" and select "browser identification" but i don't know what it would be in mozilla (though i'm sure such an option exists). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Tom Wesley wrote: > > > > > Well... XP home does not support NTFS. > > Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? > > Err, I'm surprised, but somehow I find it believable... Actually, I don't find it believable at all since I've installed XP Home a couple of times with NTFS. Ric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
well my system is installed on ext3, but all my stuff is on fat32! On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 22:20, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > Your using fat32 with linux?? > > I don't know what your doing over there, but your scaring me just listening to this.. > > If you think fat32 is better, so be it, but I have no idea how your getting by with > fat32 on a linux system.. > > Never loose files?? hmm... > > > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 22:00, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > > > What does it matter? Fat16/32 is the same no matter how big it is.. > > > > > > Its all crap.. :) > > > > > > > fat32 is not crap, i still use it for all my files, ext2/3 > > and reiserfs > > is so insecure if you experience power failures, fat32 you never loose > > your files. thats what i have experienced the hard way > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Tom Wesley wrote: (Anyone jealous?) Haha I kinda felt gentoo users are mostly the kind that doesn't use windows at all, and dual boot for the sake of windows is something rare among this freedom loving crowd. I said before somewhere that I would toss windows out of the window if it wasn't for all the games for windows, everyone else using IE and my internet bank system doesn't support mozilla. Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Jonas Widarsson wrote: ... and I'll try fips from my mandrake CD tomorrow or later this week. ...or whatever suitable utility that is suggested by mandrake install... Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 21:17, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > Tom Wesley wrote: > > >On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:16, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > > > > > >>I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. > >>I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. > >>I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering > >>whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary > >>fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing > >>winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then > >>have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? > >> > >>If so, what utility is recommended? > >> > >>Jonas > >> > >>-- > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > >> > >> > > > >I believe Windows XP can do this itself. If you right click on My > >Computer, select Manage there is disk management in there. I don't have > >an XP machine to hand, so I can't check. > > > Well, Couldn't do anything there. > Running XP home by default from Acer. Maybe that functionality is > disabled... I have to confess to not having a single XP Home PC. > > >Whilst you're there you'd be > >better running XP on NTFS, as it really is quicker, but keep in mind the > >relatively limited NTFS write support Linux currently has. > > > > > Well... XP home does not support NTFS. > Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? Err, I'm surprised, but somehow I find it believable... > > >(If you need to share data between the XP and Linux it is very normal to > >have an NTFS Windows partition, FAT32 data partition and ext2/3, reiser > >etc for Linux.) > > > > > Sounds reasonable. > > Maybe I should tell you that I have done this before, with disks a LOT > smaller than this one and utilities bundled with the distro (mandrake). > This is why I'm a little careful. I am not so sure whether the drive > size affects the result of a fips operation. > > And that's why I would like to see someone already tested this on newer > systems. > It took me some decent amount of time to setup the XP environment to > suit my needs, so I wouldn't want to do that again unless I have to. Although it's NTFS support isn't great, you might like to take a look at partimage to take a backup before you change anything. Although it will only be useful if you have somewhere the laptop can put the backup image, another network-get-at-able Linux PC should be fine. If you need boot CD's with it on, try Knoppix. Other than that I should probably stick my nose out, as I have little XP Home experience. (Anyone jealous?) -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Jonas Widarsson wrote: Redeeman wrote: an application for windows called partition magic can do it, but it isnt free, i dont know if an evaluation version exists, else cd 1 of mandrake linux is REALLY good for partitioning Ok, I'll investigate that, since I have some old mandrake CDs at hand. Or at work actually ;) Can't do it now... Jonas OK I won't do it tonight anyway, so let this mail thread sleep for now, and I'll try fips from my mandrake CD tomorrow or later this week. Thanks so far. Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Your using fat32 with linux?? I don't know what your doing over there, but your scaring me just listening to this.. If you think fat32 is better, so be it, but I have no idea how your getting by with fat32 on a linux system.. Never loose files?? hmm... > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 22:00, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > > What does it matter? Fat16/32 is the same no matter how big it is.. > > > > Its all crap.. :) > > > > fat32 is not crap, i still use it for all my files, ext2/3 > and reiserfs > is so insecure if you experience power failures, fat32 you never loose > your files. thats what i have experienced the hard way -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Tom Wesley wrote: On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:16, Jonas Widarsson wrote: I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? If so, what utility is recommended? Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I believe Windows XP can do this itself. If you right click on My Computer, select Manage there is disk management in there. I don't have an XP machine to hand, so I can't check. Well, Couldn't do anything there. Running XP home by default from Acer. Maybe that functionality is disabled... Whilst you're there you'd be better running XP on NTFS, as it really is quicker, but keep in mind the relatively limited NTFS write support Linux currently has. Well... XP home does not support NTFS. Believe it or not. MS philosophy is great isn' it? (If you need to share data between the XP and Linux it is very normal to have an NTFS Windows partition, FAT32 data partition and ext2/3, reiser etc for Linux.) Sounds reasonable. Maybe I should tell you that I have done this before, with disks a LOT smaller than this one and utilities bundled with the distro (mandrake). This is why I'm a little careful. I am not so sure whether the drive size affects the result of a fips operation. And that's why I would like to see someone already tested this on newer systems. It took me some decent amount of time to setup the XP environment to suit my needs, so I wouldn't want to do that again unless I have to. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 22:00, Jeffrey Smelser wrote: > What does it matter? Fat16/32 is the same no matter how big it is.. > > Its all crap.. :) > fat32 is not crap, i still use it for all my files, ext2/3 and reiserfs is so insecure if you experience power failures, fat32 you never loose your files. thats what i have experienced the hard way > Should work just fine as long as the program doesn't limit itself. > > > However, I wonder if that software is up to date. They are talking > > windows 95 and stuff on that homepage. Does it work even though my > > harddrive is as big as 80 GB? > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
What does it matter? Fat16/32 is the same no matter how big it is.. Its all crap.. :) Should work just fine as long as the program doesn't limit itself. > However, I wonder if that software is up to date. They are talking > windows 95 and stuff on that homepage. Does it work even though my > harddrive is as big as 80 GB? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:16, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. > I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. > I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering > whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary > fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing > winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then > have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? > > If so, what utility is recommended? > > Jonas > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I believe Windows XP can do this itself. If you right click on My Computer, select Manage there is disk management in there. I don't have an XP machine to hand, so I can't check. Whilst you're there you'd be better running XP on NTFS, as it really is quicker, but keep in mind the relatively limited NTFS write support Linux currently has. (If you need to share data between the XP and Linux it is very normal to have an NTFS Windows partition, FAT32 data partition and ext2/3, reiser etc for Linux.) PS: Don't forget to create the swap partition, I'm always doing that... -- Tom Wesley signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Redeeman wrote: an application for windows called partition magic can do it, but it isnt free, i dont know if an evaluation version exists, else cd 1 of mandrake linux is REALLY good for partitioning Ok, I'll investigate that, since I have some old mandrake CDs at hand. Or at work actually ;) Can't do it now... Jonas On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 21:16, Jonas Widarsson wrote: I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? If so, what utility is recommended? Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Jonas Widarsson wrote: I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? Older Slackware Install CDs (and possible newer) distributed a utility called fips that could split a FAT16/32 partition. http://www.igd.fhg.de/~aschaefe/fips/ Danke However, I wonder if that software is up to date. They are talking windows 95 and stuff on that homepage. Does it work even though my harddrive is as big as 80 GB? Jonas -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
an application for windows called partition magic can do it, but it isnt free, i dont know if an evaluation version exists, else cd 1 of mandrake linux is REALLY good for partitioning On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 21:16, Jonas Widarsson wrote: > I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. > I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. > I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering > whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary > fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing > winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then > have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? > > If so, what utility is recommended? > > Jonas > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\- against microsoft attachments -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
On December 1, 2003 03:32 pm, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Jonas Widarsson wrote: > > I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. > > I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. > > I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering > > whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary > > fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing > > winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then > > have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? > > Older Slackware Install CDs (and possible newer) distributed a utility > called fips that could split a FAT16/32 partition. i think what you're looking for is gnu parted # emerge --search parted should get you what you need -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] split a fat32 partition on my laptop.
Jonas Widarsson wrote: I have an Acer Aspire 1703 SM laptop. I think the HD is an ordinary one, like those in stationary computers. I don't know much about how todays harddrives behave, so I'm wondering whether someone has recent experience in splitting the 80 GB primary fat23 partition (the only partition there is) so I can keep the existing winXP home install and install gentoo on the end of those 80 GB and then have a dual boot XP / Gentoo? Older Slackware Install CDs (and possible newer) distributed a utility called fips that could split a FAT16/32 partition. http://www.igd.fhg.de/~aschaefe/fips/ -- Andrew Gaffney -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
