Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2014 05:26:26 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > But c because I am not very familiar with gdm, can you give me a key > > sequence after gdm is launched to emter my user id and password? > > Key sequence: [SHIFT+TAB][ENTER]username[ENTER]password[ENTER] > > The first part selects "Not listed here?"; then it'll prompt for > username, after which it'll prompt for password. Thanks so much! -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Sun, 25 May 2014 05:26:26 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > But c because I am not very familiar with gdm, can you give me a key > sequence after gdm is launched to emter my user id and password? Key sequence: [SHIFT+TAB][ENTER]username[ENTER]password[ENTER] The first part selects "Not listed here?"; then it'll prompt for username, after which it'll prompt for password. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2014 08:02:49 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > More information, I am not sure if the autostart stuff works at all > > for orca, but definitely if I hit super-alt-s it does start, but > > speech is not there, but I can see the process, but I will play some > > more. > > Not sure if it needs it; but you might need app-accessibility/festival > for this to work, as well as set up the daemon (systemctl start/enable). > > IIRC there are segfaults about that in your log; they are there by > default, since festival is an optional run-time dependency, but GNOME > tries to initialize it regardless of whether you have it or not. > > (Festival is a Text to Speech engine) Orca no longer uses festival, it uses speech-dispatcher. I may have festival installed, but it may be old or something. My problem seems to be that orca speech does not work while starting from gdm, but works from a regular gnome session using my regular user. I think we are down to something like that now. I will check on the orca list and see if they can tell me anything as well. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Sun, 25 May 2014 08:02:49 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > More information, I am not sure if the autostart stuff works at all > for orca, but definitely if I hit super-alt-s it does start, but > speech is not there, but I can see the process, but I will play some > more. Not sure if it needs it; but you might need app-accessibility/festival for this to work, as well as set up the daemon (systemctl start/enable). IIRC there are segfaults about that in your log; they are there by default, since festival is an optional run-time dependency, but GNOME tries to initialize it regardless of whether you have it or not. (Festival is a Text to Speech engine) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2014 05:38:08 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > OK, here is a link to the messages without me doing anything in gdm at > > all, just starting it. > > > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=85cffe78261eacc915379ff5d5449d18 > > There are some warnings and errors in this one, but I'm not quite sure > which one could be the problem; you can get them with a grep: > > grep -i '\(warning\|error\)' gnome-3.12.1-error2.txt | grep -v Xorg > > 1. The GetAll() and ServiceUnknown erros are often not problematic. > > 2. "Unable to register client with session manager" I get too; so, not a > problem. > > 3. There is "Gvc-WARNING **: Failed to connect context: OK" but that is > GNOME volume control if I understood correctly; so, also not a problem. > > 4. The Polkit Error "No permission to trigger offline updates" might be > more concerning; though, it should just affect the update part. > > 5. "JS ERROR: could not get remote objects for service > org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.Smartcard" I think is due to a missing USE > flag option for the gnome-settings-daemon package; I think that's > supposed to work, so, I also don't see this as a problem. > > 6. "Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service failed to load" is > also something non-fatal; so, also not a problem. > > TL;DR: One of these could be it, or not at all; I think the problem > you're having right now doesn't manifest itself as a warning or error, > but instead as an input / graphical problem. > > Can you try a different version of GNOME? A newer might have fixed it. > > If you need instructions on how to switch between specific version, > feel free to let me know. I'll try to figure out the sequence to switch > between users later today, when I can reboot my system. > > -- > With kind regards, > > Tom Wijsman (TomWij) > Gentoo Developer > > E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org More information, I am not sure if the autostart stuff works at all for orca, but definitely if I hit super-alt-s it does start, but speech is not there, but I can see the process, but I will play some more. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 2014 05:38:08 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > OK, here is a link to the messages without me doing anything in gdm at > > all, just starting it. > > > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=85cffe78261eacc915379ff5d5449d18 > > There are some warnings and errors in this one, but I'm not quite sure > which one could be the problem; you can get them with a grep: > > grep -i '\(warning\|error\)' gnome-3.12.1-error2.txt | grep -v Xorg > > 1. The GetAll() and ServiceUnknown erros are often not problematic. > > 2. "Unable to register client with session manager" I get too; so, not a > problem. > > 3. There is "Gvc-WARNING **: Failed to connect context: OK" but that is > GNOME volume control if I understood correctly; so, also not a problem. > > 4. The Polkit Error "No permission to trigger offline updates" might be > more concerning; though, it should just affect the update part. > > 5. "JS ERROR: could not get remote objects for service > org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.Smartcard" I think is due to a missing USE > flag option for the gnome-settings-daemon package; I think that's > supposed to work, so, I also don't see this as a problem. > > 6. "Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service failed to load" is > also something non-fatal; so, also not a problem. > > TL;DR: One of these could be it, or not at all; I think the problem > you're having right now doesn't manifest itself as a warning or error, > but instead as an input / graphical problem. > > Can you try a different version of GNOME? A newer might have fixed it. > > If you need instructions on how to switch between specific version, > feel free to let me know. I'll try to figure out the sequence to switch > between users later today, when I can reboot my system. You have been a big help -- I think I do have something running here, if I could get orca to talk I would probably be good to go, but the recomended keystroke super-alt-s does not work.hmmm, I was just poking and indeed orca is starting from gdm, but it seems not to have the correct options. The only thing I see is /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/orca-autostart.desktop but that one does have the correct options, but orca definitely has no speech, so I think my problem will be solved if I can get orca to start talking correctly. Now once I login orca does start talking, so its only with the gdm that it does not work, so we are very nearly there. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Sun, 25 May 2014 05:38:08 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > OK, here is a link to the messages without me doing anything in gdm at > all, just starting it. > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=85cffe78261eacc915379ff5d5449d18 There are some warnings and errors in this one, but I'm not quite sure which one could be the problem; you can get them with a grep: grep -i '\(warning\|error\)' gnome-3.12.1-error2.txt | grep -v Xorg 1. The GetAll() and ServiceUnknown erros are often not problematic. 2. "Unable to register client with session manager" I get too; so, not a problem. 3. There is "Gvc-WARNING **: Failed to connect context: OK" but that is GNOME volume control if I understood correctly; so, also not a problem. 4. The Polkit Error "No permission to trigger offline updates" might be more concerning; though, it should just affect the update part. 5. "JS ERROR: could not get remote objects for service org.gnome.SettingsDaemon.Smartcard" I think is due to a missing USE flag option for the gnome-settings-daemon package; I think that's supposed to work, so, I also don't see this as a problem. 6. "Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service failed to load" is also something non-fatal; so, also not a problem. TL;DR: One of these could be it, or not at all; I think the problem you're having right now doesn't manifest itself as a warning or error, but instead as an input / graphical problem. Can you try a different version of GNOME? A newer might have fixed it. If you need instructions on how to switch between specific version, feel free to let me know. I'll try to figure out the sequence to switch between users later today, when I can reboot my system. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2014 15:29:34 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > OK, here is what is happening -- if I do a startx & in any console > > where I am logged in, I get a gnome session on that tty (wish it was > > on the unused one), and I seem to be good to go. However when I try > > to use gdm, I no longer get the oh no stuff, but it seems I get a > > list of some of my userids, but I can't do anything, I can up arrow > > to one of them, but hitting enter does nothing. Also, tab does > > nothing, nor do left/right arrow keys and strangely enough, my name > > is not among the listed ids. > > > > Here is a log segment from start to stop of gdm. > > > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=3bae607fe4d5043b325b6339e3672c84 > > > > I hope someone can make sense of this because after this happened my > > regular ttys won't scroll once they get to the last line and the only > > way to solve this problem is to reboot the system. > > This might be PAM related: > > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: initializing PAM; > service=gdm-password username=krnotley seat=seat0 > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: Set PAM environment > variable: 'XDG_SEAT=seat0' > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: 1 new messages > received from PAM > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: received pam message > of type 1 with payload 'Password: ' > gdm-password][4972]: pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): conversation > failed > gdm-password][4972]: pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): auth could > not identify password for [krnotley] > gdm-password][4972]: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > gdm-password][4972]: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: PAM conversation > returning 19: Conversation error > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: uninitializing PAM > > A failing conversation here looks odd to me; so, maybe this krontley > user is bugged (preventing others from being listed?) or PAM itself > isn't working properly at all? > > Check the following link which can be a possible solution to this: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd#systemd-logind_.26_pam_systemd > > Other than that I see gnome-settings-daemon failing as it exits with > code 1, but with no clear warning or error; from experience with that, > that could be a reason to display or usage problems. A way to debug > this could be to restart it in the shell to catch more output, if any; > but I'm more suspicious about PAM so try to get PAM fixed first. > > It could just as well be failing because you shutdown GDM; it might be > more clear if you capture a log where you don't shutdown GDM, as then > the last messages would be much more related to the problem at hand. OK, here is a link to the messages without me doing anything in gdm at all, just starting it. https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=85cffe78261eacc915379ff5d5449d18 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2014 15:29:34 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > OK, here is what is happening -- if I do a startx & in any console > > where I am logged in, I get a gnome session on that tty (wish it was > > on the unused one), and I seem to be good to go. However when I try > > to use gdm, I no longer get the oh no stuff, but it seems I get a > > list of some of my userids, but I can't do anything, I can up arrow > > to one of them, but hitting enter does nothing. Also, tab does > > nothing, nor do left/right arrow keys and strangely enough, my name > > is not among the listed ids. > > > > Here is a log segment from start to stop of gdm. > > > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=3bae607fe4d5043b325b6339e3672c84 > > > > I hope someone can make sense of this because after this happened my > > regular ttys won't scroll once they get to the last line and the only > > way to solve this problem is to reboot the system. > > This might be PAM related: > > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: initializing PAM; > service=gdm-password username=krnotley seat=seat0 > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: Set PAM environment > variable: 'XDG_SEAT=seat0' > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: 1 new messages > received from PAM > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: received pam message > of type 1 with payload 'Password: ' > gdm-password][4972]: pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): conversation > failed > gdm-password][4972]: pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): auth could > not identify password for [krnotley] > gdm-password][4972]: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > gdm-password][4972]: gkr-pam: no password is available for user > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: PAM conversation > returning 19: Conversation error > gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: uninitializing PAM > > A failing conversation here looks odd to me; so, maybe this krontley > user is bugged (preventing others from being listed?) or PAM itself > isn't working properly at all? > > Check the following link which can be a possible solution to this: > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd#systemd-logind_.26_pam_systemd > > Other than that I see gnome-settings-daemon failing as it exits with > code 1, but with no clear warning or error; from experience with that, > that could be a reason to display or usage problems. A way to debug > this could be to restart it in the shell to catch more output, if any; > but I'm more suspicious about PAM so try to get PAM fixed first. > > It could just as well be failing because you shutdown GDM; it might be > more clear if you capture a log where you don't shutdown GDM, as then > the last messages would be much more related to the problem at hand. OK, it looks like I have the recomended item in the system-auth in /etc/pam.d. But c because I am not very familiar with gdm, can you give me a key sequence after gdm is launched to emter my user id and password? I saw no place to do this at all, just this strange list of some of my ids. What I can do is to start gdm, not hit any keys and then send you the log segment for that and see if it looks OK to you and then we can go further. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Am 23.05.2014 21:50, schrieb cov...@ccs.covici.com: I am open to suggestions here, and I have a log segment I can put somewhere to illustrage the "oh no" problem, but I am getting tired of the mess and if I can find something which works with orca I will do that instead. Gentoo is all about havinge the freedom of choice, Larry the cow said. If GNOME and systemd is not going to work for you at all, you can still switch back to OpenRC and e.g. try the MATE desktop environment instead, which is init-system agnostic and does not depend on systemd. It works fine with and without it.
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Sat, 24 May 2014 15:29:34 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > OK, here is what is happening -- if I do a startx & in any console > where I am logged in, I get a gnome session on that tty (wish it was > on the unused one), and I seem to be good to go. However when I try > to use gdm, I no longer get the oh no stuff, but it seems I get a > list of some of my userids, but I can't do anything, I can up arrow > to one of them, but hitting enter does nothing. Also, tab does > nothing, nor do left/right arrow keys and strangely enough, my name > is not among the listed ids. > > Here is a log segment from start to stop of gdm. > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=3bae607fe4d5043b325b6339e3672c84 > > I hope someone can make sense of this because after this happened my > regular ttys won't scroll once they get to the last line and the only > way to solve this problem is to reboot the system. This might be PAM related: gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: initializing PAM; service=gdm-password username=krnotley seat=seat0 gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: Set PAM environment variable: 'XDG_SEAT=seat0' gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: 1 new messages received from PAM gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: received pam message of type 1 with payload 'Password: ' gdm-password][4972]: pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): conversation failed gdm-password][4972]: pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): auth could not identify password for [krnotley] gdm-password][4972]: gkr-pam: no password is available for user gdm-password][4972]: gkr-pam: no password is available for user gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: PAM conversation returning 19: Conversation error gdm-session-worker[4972]: <7>GdmSessionWorker: uninitializing PAM A failing conversation here looks odd to me; so, maybe this krontley user is bugged (preventing others from being listed?) or PAM itself isn't working properly at all? Check the following link which can be a possible solution to this: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd#systemd-logind_.26_pam_systemd Other than that I see gnome-settings-daemon failing as it exits with code 1, but with no clear warning or error; from experience with that, that could be a reason to display or usage problems. A way to debug this could be to restart it in the shell to catch more output, if any; but I'm more suspicious about PAM so try to get PAM fixed first. It could just as well be failing because you shutdown GDM; it might be more clear if you capture a log where you don't shutdown GDM, as then the last messages would be much more related to the problem at hand. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 May 2014 02:19:19 -0400 > > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > > > Sorry, that one was wrong as well, here is the correct one which I > > > have tested myself! > > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a665 > > > > (TL;DR: Enable the COMPOSITE extension in your Xorg configuration.) > > > > Which version of GNOME is this? I run GNOME 3.12; if you still run > > a much older version of GNOME, you might want to consider an upgrade. > > > > Did a diff against mine. > > > > First bit where it goes wrong: > > > > gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling > > GetAll() when retrieving properties > > for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled > > gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling > > GetAll() when retrieving properties > > for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled > > > > Second bit where it goes wrong: > > > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No > > composite extension. > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: > > Helper exited with code 256 > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No > > composite extension. > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: > > Helper exited with code 256 > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: ** (process:14093): WARNING **: > > software acceleration check failed: Child process exited with code > > 1 > > > > The first one is accountsservice; here you can check if you have the > > last version (or try a different version), as well as see if the > > systemd USE flag on it is set. Though, don't worry too much; given that > > it goes further past this point, this might be a false positive. But it > > might be relevant might you experience another problem later on... > > > > The second one is way more interesting, it is a process that exits with > > code 1 and definitely is a failure; the lack of presence of a composite > > extension means that there is something wrong with your Xorg > > configuration or detection, maybe you have explicitly disabling it or > > have set it up in a way that it breaks. > > > > Alternatively consider to remove the existing Xorg configuration files, > > try again; if it still breaks, you can generate one with nvidia-xconfig. > > > > In my case I get ... > > > > gdm-Xorg-:0[2680]: Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE > > > > ... which doesn't appear in your log. > > > > A similar forum topic seems to suggest it happens in such case: > > > > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-977526-start-0.html > > > > Thus can you try enabling that extension? > > OK, well that fixed a lot, if I do a startx, I can get a gnome session > (I even tried it under openrc) and it did come up. I wonder if I could > get along that way? So, I rebooted under systemd, but gdm still is not > working, but I am not sure what the message is, since I am using a > screen reader and the gnome session is not saying anything, but I will > have more information later on today. So we are in much better shape > than before. > Thanks much. OK, here is what is happening -- if I do a startx & in any console where I am logged in, I get a gnome session on that tty (wish it was on the unused one), and I seem to be good to go. However when I try to use gdm, I no longer get the oh no stuff, but it seems I get a list of some of my userids, but I can't do anything, I can up arrow to one of them, but hitting enter does nothing. Also, tab does nothing, nor do left/right arrow keys and strangely enough, my name is not among the listed ids. Here is a log segment from start to stop of gdm. https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=3bae607fe4d5043b325b6339e3672c84 I hope someone can make sense of this because after this happened my regular ttys won't scroll once they get to the last line and the only way to solve this problem is to reboot the system. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2014 02:19:19 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > Sorry, that one was wrong as well, here is the correct one which I > > have tested myself! > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a665 > > (TL;DR: Enable the COMPOSITE extension in your Xorg configuration.) > > Which version of GNOME is this? I run GNOME 3.12; if you still run > a much older version of GNOME, you might want to consider an upgrade. > > Did a diff against mine. > > First bit where it goes wrong: > > gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling > GetAll() when retrieving properties > for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled > gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling > GetAll() when retrieving properties > for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled > > Second bit where it goes wrong: > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No > composite extension. > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: > Helper exited with code 256 > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No > composite extension. > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: > Helper exited with code 256 > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: ** (process:14093): WARNING **: > software acceleration check failed: Child process exited with code > 1 > > The first one is accountsservice; here you can check if you have the > last version (or try a different version), as well as see if the > systemd USE flag on it is set. Though, don't worry too much; given that > it goes further past this point, this might be a false positive. But it > might be relevant might you experience another problem later on... > > The second one is way more interesting, it is a process that exits with > code 1 and definitely is a failure; the lack of presence of a composite > extension means that there is something wrong with your Xorg > configuration or detection, maybe you have explicitly disabling it or > have set it up in a way that it breaks. > > Alternatively consider to remove the existing Xorg configuration files, > try again; if it still breaks, you can generate one with nvidia-xconfig. > > In my case I get ... > > gdm-Xorg-:0[2680]: Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE > > ... which doesn't appear in your log. > > A similar forum topic seems to suggest it happens in such case: > > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-977526-start-0.html > > Thus can you try enabling that extension? OK, well that fixed a lot, if I do a startx, I can get a gnome session (I even tried it under openrc) and it did come up. I wonder if I could get along that way? So, I rebooted under systemd, but gdm still is not working, but I am not sure what the message is, since I am using a screen reader and the gnome session is not saying anything, but I will have more information later on today. So we are in much better shape than before. Thanks much. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Sat, 24 May 2014 05:40:37 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > OK, how do I enable that extension? Change it from false to true; alternatively, just remove the line and/or the surrounding section. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Sat, 24 May 2014 02:19:19 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > Sorry, that one was wrong as well, here is the correct one which I > > have tested myself! > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a665 > > (TL;DR: Enable the COMPOSITE extension in your Xorg configuration.) > > Which version of GNOME is this? I run GNOME 3.12; if you still run > a much older version of GNOME, you might want to consider an upgrade. > > Did a diff against mine. > > First bit where it goes wrong: > > gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling > GetAll() when retrieving properties > for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled > gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling > GetAll() when retrieving properties > for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled > > Second bit where it goes wrong: > > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No > composite extension. > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: > Helper exited with code 256 > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No > composite extension. > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: > Helper exited with code 256 > /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: ** (process:14093): WARNING **: > software acceleration check failed: Child process exited with code > 1 > > The first one is accountsservice; here you can check if you have the > last version (or try a different version), as well as see if the > systemd USE flag on it is set. Though, don't worry too much; given that > it goes further past this point, this might be a false positive. But it > might be relevant might you experience another problem later on... > > The second one is way more interesting, it is a process that exits with > code 1 and definitely is a failure; the lack of presence of a composite > extension means that there is something wrong with your Xorg > configuration or detection, maybe you have explicitly disabling it or > have set it up in a way that it breaks. > > Alternatively consider to remove the existing Xorg configuration files, > try again; if it still breaks, you can generate one with nvidia-xconfig. > > In my case I get ... > > gdm-Xorg-:0[2680]: Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE > > ... which doesn't appear in your log. > > A similar forum topic seems to suggest it happens in such case: > > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-977526-start-0.html > > Thus can you try enabling that extension? OK, how do I enable that extension? I have it disabled, I wonder if I looked in xorg.conf and discovered it is disabled, but I can no longer remember why it was disabled, but I can certainly enable it and try again. Now if I could only get systemd to behave! Thanks so much for looking. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Sat, 24 May 2014 02:19:19 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Sorry, that one was wrong as well, here is the correct one which I > have tested myself! > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a665 (TL;DR: Enable the COMPOSITE extension in your Xorg configuration.) Which version of GNOME is this? I run GNOME 3.12; if you still run a much older version of GNOME, you might want to consider an upgrade. Did a diff against mine. First bit where it goes wrong: gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling GetAll() when retrieving properties for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled gdm-session-worker[14085]: <7>AccountsService: Error calling GetAll() when retrieving properties for /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User105: Operation was cancelled Second bit where it goes wrong: /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No composite extension. /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: Helper exited with code 256 /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-is-accelerated: No composite extension. /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: gnome-session-check-accelerated: Helper exited with code 256 /usr/bin/dbus-launch[14093]: ** (process:14093): WARNING **: software acceleration check failed: Child process exited with code 1 The first one is accountsservice; here you can check if you have the last version (or try a different version), as well as see if the systemd USE flag on it is set. Though, don't worry too much; given that it goes further past this point, this might be a false positive. But it might be relevant might you experience another problem later on... The second one is way more interesting, it is a process that exits with code 1 and definitely is a failure; the lack of presence of a composite extension means that there is something wrong with your Xorg configuration or detection, maybe you have explicitly disabling it or have set it up in a way that it breaks. Alternatively consider to remove the existing Xorg configuration files, try again; if it still breaks, you can generate one with nvidia-xconfig. In my case I get ... gdm-Xorg-:0[2680]: Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE ... which doesn't appear in your log. A similar forum topic seems to suggest it happens in such case: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-977526-start-0.html Thus can you try enabling that extension? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On 05/24/14 06:19, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Edward M wrote: On 5/23/2014 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2014 15:50:04 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Any suggestions appreciated. Can you provide the log segment from `journalctl -rb`? (-r puts it in reverse, -b restricts it to the current boot) OK, here is the link to the log excerpt: https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a656 i get a blue screen with owncloud and a message saying "this link does not seem to work anymore" with a few possible causes, item was removed, link removed, sharing is disabled Sorry, that one was wrong as well, here is the correct one which I have tested myself! https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a665 Yes, this works.
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Edward M wrote: > > On 5/23/2014 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 23 May 2014 15:50:04 -0400 > >> cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > >> > >>> Any suggestions appreciated. > >> Can you provide the log segment from `journalctl -rb`? > >> > >> (-r puts it in reverse, -b restricts it to the current boot) > > OK, here is the link to the log excerpt: > > > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a656 > > >i get a blue screen with owncloud and a message saying "this link does > not seem to work anymore" >with a few possible causes, item was removed, link removed, sharing is > disabled Sorry, that one was wrong as well, here is the correct one which I have tested myself! https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a665 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Edward M wrote: > > On 5/23/2014 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 23 May 2014 15:50:04 -0400 > >> cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > >> > >>> Any suggestions appreciated. > >> Can you provide the log segment from `journalctl -rb`? > >> > >> (-r puts it in reverse, -b restricts it to the current boot) > > OK, here is the link to the log excerpt: > > > > https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a656 > > >i get a blue screen with owncloud and a message saying "this link does > not seem to work anymore" >with a few possible causes, item was removed, link removed, sharing is > disabled https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a65 Try that instead, sorry about that. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On 5/23/2014 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 23 May 2014 15:50:04 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Any suggestions appreciated. Can you provide the log segment from `journalctl -rb`? (-r puts it in reverse, -b restricts it to the current boot) OK, here is the link to the log excerpt: https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a656 i get a blue screen with owncloud and a message saying "this link does not seem to work anymore" with a few possible causes, item was removed, link removed, sharing is disabled
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2014 15:50:04 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > Any suggestions appreciated. > > Can you provide the log segment from `journalctl -rb`? > > (-r puts it in reverse, -b restricts it to the current boot) OK, here is the link to the log excerpt: https://covici.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=7aa380dc7ff13da479331a425ce8a656 -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2014 15:50:04 -0400 > cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > > > Any suggestions appreciated. > > Can you provide the log segment from `journalctl -rb`? > > (-r puts it in reverse, -b restricts it to the current boot) I have a segment from the regular logs not in reverse order, but I think it will go from start to end of gdm service. I will put it somewhere and update the thread a bit later today. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Fri, 23 May 2014 15:50:04 -0400 cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: > Any suggestions appreciated. Can you provide the log segment from `journalctl -rb`? (-r puts it in reverse, -b restricts it to the current boot) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : tom...@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 03:50:04PM -0400, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote > Hi. Well, I thought I was making progress with systemd, but my gnome > session kept saying "oh no something has gone wrong" and would not > work. Heads-up... Lennart has the ears of the Gnome developers. Recent Gnome will not work without systemd... period... end of story. If you stay away from systemd, you'll have to stay away from Gnome. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
[gentoo-user] about to give up on systemd and gnome
Hi. Well, I thought I was making progress with systemd, but my gnome session kept saying "oh no something has gone wrong" and would not work. Also, after such a thing has happened, all my consoles would keep using the last line to put every line and so I had to keep rebooting. And when I would reboot systemd would not behave the same way, sometimes it would hang at certain places, and sometimes it would go all the way through, but things would not start properly -- maybe a concurrency problem, but its hard to say what was going on. What a mess, but I guess I have a setup which systemd does not like, too much parallellism and no way to get things to start in the order I want them -- or at least none I could figure out! I am open to suggestions here, and I have a log segment I can put somewhere to illustrage the "oh no" problem, but I am getting tired of the mess and if I can find something which works with orca I will do that instead. Any suggestions appreciated. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
