Re: [Goanet] Archbishop's Appeal for a Week of Prayer for
Dears, First of all, we need to CONDEMN ALL FORMS OF VIOLENCE, no matter who started it and who retaliated disproportionately. Enquiries by police or CBI or Commissions of Enquiry are no longer reliable, as we have seen in the post-Godhra violence. We do not even know the TRUTH about the train incident at GodhraFIVE YEARS LATER! John Dayal is a interested party. His views will be as coloured as that of some Hindu activist. Can a non-Pana, non-Kuwee atheist or communist comment on it dispassionately? Otherwise we will be left with ek-ek Kui, Kuwee ani Kwui ani Tin Pana [all in Konkani] ;-) Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Archbishop's Appeal for a Week of Prayer for Orissa --- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The "attack on the swami" version of events is >disputed. There is a report >at http://tinyurl.com/2wv5gd, which gives details of >casualties and damages, and calls for a CBI enquiry >into the whole thing, including especially the alleged >attack on the swami. > Partisans on the opposite side would always dispute such events. That is why one should not rely on propaganda pieces and reports written by activists on one side or the other of such issues. The above tiny URL link from the well-known Christian activist John Dayal is from his own partisan perspective. Please provide us if you can an impartial report from a CBI, police or judicial inquiry. Cheers, Santosh -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS IN ORISSA ?
Dears, "TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE ONE RIGHT" said Mahatma Gandhi. Lighting a match to a tinderbox is bad enough; trying to douse the fire with gasoline is worse. Will Kalinga [Orissa] produce another Ashoka? Or will we get another mini-Modi?? What we need to pray/work for is peace in the state that converted Ashoka to Buddhism. Asking Catholics to pray for catholics and hindus to pray for hindus is hardly the best way to go about it. The wrongs have to be either corrected or forgiven or both. Otherwise there can be no lasting peace. Religious leaders following the footsteps of politicians is hardly the best way to do it. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:10:38 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS IN ORISSA ? George, This is an obvious dangerous manipulation of the facts by the other political side in this mess. That is why it is doubly important for responsible organizations to report the facts on all sides rather than promote a partisan agenda. It is a pity therefore that the religious entity in Goa chose to present a one-sided picture that served their own agenda and purpose. This tribal area apparently is a hotbed of aggressive conversion and re-conversion efforts by both Christians and Hindus. Imagine two major religions literally battling with each other in the same battlefield to indoctrinate people in their competing esoteric versions of afterlife - simple people whose entire central concern is basic necessities such as food and shelter in this one life that they struggle to live. Cheers, Santosh From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Jan 6, 2008 2:58 AM > Subject: [Goanet] CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS IN ORISSA ? > Is there any truth left in this fundamentalist, > communalist world? > > Some absolute nonsese at http://www.scribd.com/doc/953835/CHRISTIAN-TERRORISTS-IN-ORISSA-TRIED-TO-KILL-AN-80-YEAR-OLD-HINDU-SAINT-FOR-SEVENTH-TIME-ON-INSTRUCTIONS-FROM-SONIA-GANDHI > > Say YES to non-violence and communal harmony. Say NO > to bigotory and the > fundamentalists (of all > types). > > Regards, > George -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] From the coming Toronto Convention: Blog - 6 JAN:
_ FROM THE COMING TORONTO CONVENTION: BLOG - 6 JAN: here's part of the daily blog - click on the link below for the rest - incl. the INTERVIEW WITH VICTORIA BECKHAM! http://2008goanconvention.com/blog/index.php ___ DEAR AUNTY, My bald French boyfriend got an Asian wig here, then fled to India! Can you surmise what'll become of him? L'Oreal. .. Dear L'Oreal: Hair today, goan tomorrow! ___ CHURCHILL EXITS TORONTO AIRPORT:) "No, we don't need the airport coach - we have Zico from Brazil!" ___ FAMOUS INDIANS TO ATTEND TORONTO CONVENTION:) Richest Revlon Supermodel: SINDHI CROREPHOD ! ___ AMAZING GOA #4: (J.P. Lourenco) 1. Which is the second longest river in Goa? Zuari river, 67 km in length. 2. What is the traditional rainwear of coconut leaves called in Konkani? Konddo. 3. On which day did Goa attain statehood? 30th May 1987. 4. Which folk dance involves the braiding and unraveling of colourful ropes? Gof. 5. At which major event in Goa is the fire-walking ritual practiced by the Dhonds? Shirgaonchi Zatra at Sirigao, Bicholim. THERE ARE 196 DAYS LEFT FOR THE CONVENTION! http://2008goanconvention.com/ pls. forward to anybody interested in the Convention _ Use fowl language with Chicktionary. Click here to start playing! http://puzzles.sympatico.msn.ca/chicktionary/index.html?icid=htmlsig
[Goanet] No shortcuts (monday-muse)
MONDAY MUSE (7 Jan '08) NO SHORTCUTS Every visitor to Pedro’s college was treated to the spectacle of his ability to jump over ten steps from the mid-landing of the staircase to the landing below. However, one visitor was not amused. He was an athlete and sought to prove that Pedro’s feat was ordinary. Pedro pleaded with him not to try it out. It was not prudent for a winner athlete to consider an ordinary person’s feat as a challenge. But the athlete would have none of it. He went up to the mid landing and jumped off only to fall spread-eagled on to the last three steps. Pedro helped him to his feet and told him an enduring lesson. Pedro had initially started jumping off the fourth step. After a few days he moved to the next step. One step at a time over four months, he was able to develop the skill of jumping from the tenth step. Pedro asked the athlete, “why did you go straight to the tenth step?” Things are not always as easy as they seem. And there are no guaranteed short cuts to acquiring the abilities of those who make it seem easy. We can cover ground faster by putting in more effort and following a well planned process. But things will not happen immediately even if we believe that we are better equipped than the one who can do it. Getting better is a process that requires time, thought and most importantly confidence that is not clouded by conceit. To ‘BE BETTER’ take one step at each instance… There are no real shortcuts to cover the distance! Regards Pravin 7 Jan 2008, Goa. Since 2004, the Monday Muse series (based on the annual theme of JCI-India) is penned by Pravin Sabnis - a life coach with a passion to connect people to their potential. He employs his creative competencies in theatre and trekking in his unlearning unlimited workshops conducted for leading corporate & other groups. Pravin K. Sabnis visit: www.unlearningunlimited .blogspot.com www.poems-pravinsabnis.blogspot.com www.monday-muse.blogspot.com Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online at http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
Re: [Goanet] Goan convention in Toronto - Nelson, Cornel
Dear GoaNetters, The response to the upcoming convention has been overwhelming. We wan to make sure that concerns voiced by Nelson are addressed to his satisfaction and would welcome his suggestions in that regard. This event, organized primarily by the GoaNetters Association of Troroto, in co-operation with all the local Goan groups, will be more than an academic exercise. Every workshop will be charged with the duty of producing a white paper outlining a plan of action and a timeline that can be revisited in the future. We have identified several broad categories that we would like to deal with but other suggestions are more than welcome. Not sure where we would put the breast-feeding issue, though. Please send your comments and suggestions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. ps. Venentius, thanks for the compliment, I think :-) /ks = Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:28:10 +0530 From: "Venantius Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Nelson, I have a feeling having met Kevin Saldanha, and having some knowledge of Goan Canadian intelligentsia (long distance observation), that the Tononto convention could well be an energizing and constructive one. Now that I have my thinking cap on, I also believe it could also be a great conference for socializing and matchmaking. Fortunately, there are many Goan Candians who are solid thinkers, one Zulema comes to mind; a broad spectrum of inputs will raise the stakes in what the convention could offer. But any convention can offer only so much, before it turns into a jamboree (meant in the sense of confusion). There could certainly be a section on small business entrepreneurship, as well as one on lifestyle and sexuality -- the whole shebang; family planning, breast feeding, domestic violence/abuse including those that youngsters are getting into, general sense of values etc. Hi Cornel, Kevin Saldanha of Toronto, who attended the Lisbon conference, was instrumental in offering that the next convention be held in Toronto. A lot about the Lisbon convention was put out on Goanet, including a piece by Wendell Rodricks. Between the archives and Kevin Saldanha (mind bogglingly articulate for the par) , I believe one could have any question regarding the upcomg Goan convention in Toronto, answered. venantius -- Let go of the past and the moments old, Cast yourself in a brand new mould! Get set to rise on newer horizons Let's "develop new dimensions"!! - Pravin Sabnis
[Goanet] Goa's Security Guards Farce
To Goanet - Last evening I was at my ATM machine on the 18th June Road in Panjim. I saw my bank's guard saunter across the street to the bank on the opposite flank, to participate in the following conference of security guards and their loitering colleagues - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/securityguard.jpg This is TEN TIMES WORSE than not having any security. Who the hell knows who these fellows are. Note that it is also encroachment of public pavement space. This whole security guards racket is a big sham. All it does is contribute more bodies from Orissa and elsewhere to Goa's swelling migrant population. The menace of loiterers from all over India grows by the hour in Goa. In Panjim you see them everywhere - around those zillion bhelpuri stalls on the riverside promenade, around paanwallahs, on pavements, in our jardins, and so on. Regards, r Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Whither goes the SEZs in Goa ??
In American slang parlance, there is a saying "it aint over till the fat lady sings". Now we should not take this literally, the "fat lady" can be anyone who has the final say. So we need to maintain vigilance. Of course our valiant Chief Minister, went to Delhi and demanded the de-notification of all SEZs in Goa. I find it hard to believe that a seasoned poloitican like him did not know before the trip to Delhi, that he did not have the power to order a de-notification. But it makes good press that the Chief Minister has the interests of Aam Admi at heart and told the Babus in Delhi off. " Saab lok tali bajao" or something like that, We are supposed to applaud him for taking this bold step. Are we a bunch of fools to believe this boloney ? Even if perchance the SEZs are stopped, there is bound to be another permutation to pull the wool over Goan eyes. You can bet your booty that those who stand to make a lot of moolah from land deals at the sites designated for SEZs-cum-IT Parks-cum Industrial Estate, will not take all this lying down and will come up with yet another scheme to enrich themselves. So continuing vigilance is essential. Another issue that needs the attention of GBA and like organizations is the wholesale environmental degradation of our forest and arable land by opening up new areas for mining to meet the insatiable demand for iron ore from countries like China. Now here we are talking about the big boys, the miniing interests with their deep pockets and their henchmen. The peasants who are directly impacted are a relatively unsophisticanted lot, but they know that they are being taken. They need our support and guidance. The areas impacted may be far from the populated areas of the state, but the tearing up of the land to get to the underlying saleable ore, will impact all of us, through pollution of rivers and other water bodies, dust pollution,destruction or arable land and forests etc. This too needs our continuing vigilance and support. Let the people prevail !!! - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[Goanet] Valmiki's SEZ Ramayana
To Goanet - Valmiki Faleiro wrote: >You are damned if you do, you are damned if you dont. >That sums up the unenviable situation for Goas Chief >Minister, Digambar Kamat. >Digu did. . . >Digambar Kamat truly deserves applause and continued >public support. Why only applause? Let us mark a new festival to celebrate the triumphant return from Dilli of the victorious King Digu after vanquishing SEZasura with his own bare hands. Goans, light a lamp in your home and do a little pooja of the valorous King Digu, he who put his life at great risk so that you and your children could have a better future in Goa. Warm regards, r Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [Goanet] Keeping out-of-state cars out of Goa
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: > How can we deter these cars and the hordes they pack > from swamping Goa? There are two options. > One, shoot them at the border. The problem with this > option is that a few Goans may object on grounds of > cruelty to animals. Therefore, I shall immediately move > to option 2. r, I am going to give you the same advice I give our friend from Toledo i.e. stay off the honey pot when you are writing on Goanet. I now know why you never felt "accepted" in the US. Had you sent a similar email in the US, you would have been arrested and water-boarded. Mervyn3.0 Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion
--- "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Selma Elizabeth Carvalho, > I respect your opinion. But it is wrong to say > that Bible TEACHES that > Eve was created out of Adam's rib. This is a > symbolic description to show > that the woman has equal rights as the male. -- Dear Fr. Ivo, We are in complete agreement here. The Bible is at best a quasi-historical and literary document and if one wishes to imbibe lessons from it, then one is at liberty to do so. I also imbibe equally powerful lessons reading the Greek myths, but at no point do I consider any of them to be divinely inspired. So to get back to the point I was making, it is impossible for two differing positions to be tenable concurrently. One either believes that the Bible is a book written by earthly writers who are subject to their own human perceptions and limitations of knowledge that exist at the time, or one believes that the Bible was Divinely inspired ergo everything in it has to be infallible, right down to keeping slaves, sacrificing your daughters or sons, and so on and so forth. In sum my point is, Christianity is A religion. It is not superior to any other religion, infact it hardly stands the test of wisdom when compared with what say Socrates or Pythagoras had to offer circa the same period of time. When we get over the supremacy of any religion, I think we can embrace spirituality with much more passion. On this note I would like to add that by and large, most Christians have already gotten over the need to feel superior and are infact quite secular and tolerant in their outlook. selma Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[Goanet] Religion, opium of the masses ??
With all the religious bigotry going around, I am beginning to see some widom in the words that "Religion is the opium of the masses" attributed to the late Soviet dictator, Joseph Stalin. I am not an atheist. I am a practicing Catholic. But I see dangerous elements of fanaticism in many religious beliefs, including intolerance of the beliefs or non-beliefs of others. To poor unsophisticated people, religion is the ultimate salvation from their miseries. They worship unquestionably, praying to statues and other religious icons as though they are a personification of God, rather than symbolic visual aids. At times I admire the blind faith of these simple people, as it is so simple and uncomplicated. But unscrupulous political elements and sometimes religious heirachies take advantage of these poor people to further their own nefarious activities. To me religion helps reinforce one's moral compass. I am not what has been called a "cafeteria Catholic" picking and choosing what I want to believe. But neither am I a moron to unquestionably accept every mystery because someone over the years has pronounced it to be the unquestionable Truth. I am after all a rational thinker. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [Goanet] Beijing Chalo
Philip Thomas wrote: "Beijing kicks off anti-beggar campaign" HERALD Jan 4,'08. Beggars were a rare sight in Chinese cities until about 20 years ago when economic reform and a loosening of social controls allowed a massive influx of migrants from rural areas. In 2006, Chinese media said Beijing authorities made a pledge to rid the city of beggars ahead of the hosting of the Olympics with little apparent effect. They also planned to expel migrant workers but officials denied the report. The plan for beggars consists of officers patroling the city 24x7 looking not just for beggars but also peddlers, pamphlet distributors, tricyle taxi drivers sans licenes. Police will focus on the city's main boulevard as well as six key districts. The campaign is intended to promote a "harmonious [homogeneous?] , civilised and sound urban environment" for the Olympic Games. Any takers for this approach in Goa? If so, why? If not why not? - Philip, This approach has never worked. It has not worked in Tanzania where the politicians introduced a "head tax" for city dwellers in an effort to try and keep people away from the city. Strangely enough, these were the same politicians who got support from the farmers, prior to independence, because of the farmers hatred of the "head tax" imposed by the colonialist. The approach has not worked in the US or India where people, till this very day, sleep under bridges. The approach will not work for the Communist either. Here is the reason why. The people flooding to the cities are doing so in search of work. They arrive only after facing starvation in the rural areas. After near starvation, any option is better. Let me stick my neck out and suggest how to stem this flow of migrants. The only thing that may work is to stop the current system where the farmers are getting paid little or nothing for what they produce. The day the farmer can earn a living that is comparable to that of a city worker, the migrant flow will stop. Or even reverse. Farmers will only get a fair value for their produce when the Govt stops the importation of crops from countries that subsidize their farmers. Some 25 years ago, I read a report detailing how the farmers in Tanzania were subsidizing those who dwell in the urban areas of Tanzania. The Govt set prices for staple and cash crops. The farmers got paid the same price regardless of whether there was a glut or scarcity of the crop. The end result? Every time there was a drought, farmers moved to the cities to find food for their families. What I did not know then was that the US and Europe spend billions of dollars a day subsidizing their farmers. As a result, the farmer in India and China cannot compete with the US/European farmer. His only escape is to move into the city and try to survive. Mervyn3.0 Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account. http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] Events in Goa...........
Vivian A. DSouza wrote: > The following weekend will see a series of events organized by alumni of > St. Joseph;s Convent School Zanzibar (Tanzania) culminating with a grand > Ball at the Marriott Hotel, Goa. Vivian, If its a bunch of Zanzibari's, the main event has got to be the fishing competition. You better dust off that ol' fishing rod. The prizes for the fishing competition, I am told, are one of a kind. Here are the rest of the events: http://sjcsgoareunion-whatsnew.blogspot.com/2007/09/sjcs-goa-reunion-whats-new-2.html Mervyn3.0 PS. In a prior life I dated someone from Zanzibar. I used to call her my Zanzibarbie. Fortunately, for her, she got away. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] Goa news for January 7, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** AIFF gets corporate partner for Goa academy - Hindustan Times [Jan 4, 2008] For starters, a 'world class' academy will be built in Goa for 100 boys. Dasmunshi said workon the academy would start by March 31. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/Redir.aspx?ID=7831885e-7ffe-444d-9ac4-cedcc3963a97&cid=1125776580&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Resist anti-SEZ pressures in Goa - Business Standard [5 hours ago] The New Year gift from Goa was the decision not to allow any Special Economic Zones (SEZ) to come up in the state. The Commerce Secretary responded by ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.business-standard.com/economy/storypage.php?leftnm=3&subLeft=3&chklogin=N&autono=309866&tab=r&cid=1125540794&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** SC allows resumption of mining in Goa - Economic Times [Jan 4, 2008] GOA: Iron ore extraction at 16 mining sites in Goa can resume after the Supreme Court gave the go-ahead, on the condition that they pay a combined Rs 100 ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/PoliticsNation/SC_allows_resumption_of_mining_in_Goa/articleshow/2676079.cms&cid=1125782572&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Elvis Goes - The Manddo Prince of Goa - Mangalorean.com [58 minutes ago] The entire programme was compered by Walter Menezes from Goa. Kepemchim Kirnnam has the distinction of giving several scintillating performances at the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=63004&cid=1125906852&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Goa Minister appear before a local court in a threatening case - Newindpress [Jan 5, 2008] PTI PANAJI: Goa health Minister vishwajeet rane on Saturday appeared before a local court in a case pertainingto his alleged involvement in threateninga ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEP20080105081048&Page=P&Title=Nation&Topic=0&cid=0&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Mando Festival in Goa - konkaniworld [19 hours ago] The annual Mando Festival, the event of a colourful form of Konkani music, gets underway at the Kala Academy in Panjim on Janury 7, 2008 (5 pm) and at ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://www.konkaniworld.com/news/index.asp?id=2159&cid=0&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Benny rout Goa Velha - Navhind Times [4 hours ago] Mapusa, Jan 6: Benny XI Sports Club Mapusa registered a comfortable 3-0 win over Goa Velha Sports Club in Vodafone-GFA First Division League at Duler ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=010749&cid=0&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Violations of Copyright Act rising in S Goa - Navhind Times [4 hours ago] Even as video libraries have spread all over south Goa, allegedly most operators carry out business without obtaining any valid licenses. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=01076&cid=0&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Goa News claim Vijay Gad trophy - Navhind Times [4 hours ago] Panaji, Jan 6: Goa News scored a 6-wicket victory against Navhind to emerge champions in Vijay Gad memorial inter-media cricket tournament at Campal grounds ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=010746&cid=0&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA *** Significance of Goa Legislators Day - Navhind Times [4 hours ago] by Nandkumar Kamat ON January 9, the Goa legislature will celebrate the legislators day signifying an important occasion in the history of democracy in Goa ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=010739&cid=0&ei=inKBR7vEHI7eqgOKs7zKDA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Archbishop's Appeal for a Week of Prayer for Orissa
Dear Dr.Gilbert, One of the Ten Commandments is, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." Neither Dr. Santosh Helekar not I have written anything about "original attack". I only mentioned that the term "Unprovoked" is incorrect ...because I believe that beating up a man, his driver and his police security is an act of provocation ...specially when tensions are already running high. Killing of one man has provoked a World War to erupt. That it was waiting to happen is exactly the point I want to underscore. Economic disparity is the surest way to provoke the others. The Regional Plan and SEZ protests are also manifestation of that divide. What does it feel when the price of a plot of land soars up to Rs.40,000/- per square metre or a flat in Miramar costs Rs.15 million? A MINORITY should never trigger a fight unless they have called in the reinforcements and they are on stand-by mode .. or summon the US Sixth or Seventh Fleet at short notice ;-) MARTYRDOM IS A POOR REWARD IN THIS WORLD. Ask Florian Vaz's poor family members in Gogo-Margao. They will tell you what is the use of martyrdom... 20 years after the sacrifice. Gujarat is a different cup of tea. One does not need to drum up that example everytime there is a communal fight. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 6:08:43 -0800 From: Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Archbishop's Appeal for a Week of Prayer for Orissa Pardon me for displaying my ignorance on his issue. Both posts below claim of an "original attack". Even if there was an original attack, this looks like a repeat of the Gujarat riots saga. Who ever starts it, the chaos spins our of control with loss of life and property, most of the brunt suffered by the minority. Then to claim the government could / cannot "do much to stop it" is specious. Do we want another Gujarat or Rwanda type event ... who and however it was started? >From the Telegraph: Though the Swami believes that the 'violence was spontaneous', the attack on him 'was orchestrated', to eliminate him. And that has put the region's Hindus on the "defensive," he said, while talking to The Telegraph Kind Regards, GL Miguel Braganza AFTER attacking the vehicle with a swami and injuring his driver and POLICE security officer, can one truthfully claim that the violence was unprovoked? If the answer is an assertive YES, I am your fairy godmother! --- Santosh Helekar > The interest of communal harmony would have been better served if this official religious body had acknowledged that these horrendous acts of violence also involved, and were most likely provoked by, an attack on a swami, as had been mentioned by Miguel and others. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071228/jsp/nation/story_8715577.jsp -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Archbishop's Appeal for a Week of Prayer for Orissa
--- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The "attack on the swami" version of events is >disputed. Even assuming that the anti-Christian >violence has been "retaliatory" in nature, its sheer >scale is reminiscent of Gujarat violence of >2002 in "retaliation" for Godhra. There is a report >at http://tinyurl.com/2wv5gd, which gives details of >casualties and damages, and calls for a CBI enquiry >into the whole thing, including especially the alleged >attack on the swami. > Partisans on the opposite side would always dispute such events. That is why one should not rely on propaganda pieces and reports written by activists on one side or the other of such issues. The above tiny URL link from the well-known Christian activist John Dayal is from his own partisan perspective. Please provide us if you can an impartial report from a CBI, police or judicial inquiry. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Is Goa a sleeper cell, too?
To Goanet - Goa would be an easy target given the many 'Emporiums' here. What are the security measures taken by our govt? http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jan/06kerala.htm Regards, r Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion
Dear Selma Elizabeth Carvalho, I respect your opinion. But it is wrong to say that Bible TEACHES that Eve was created out of Adam's rib. This is a symbolic description to show that the woman has equal rights as the male. The woman was despised. Jesus has empowered women in the Jewish society. Bible has to be interpreted in the right way. I cannot explain here all in detail. Evolution was not rejected, provided that the fact that God is the originator is accepted (Pius XII, Humani Generis). Creation is not a scientific theory of origin, it is a statement that without God the Big-Bang process could not start. Creationism cannot be accepted. No one should try to make us believe that Eve was created out of Adam's rib. - Original Message - From: "Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion --- "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: God is the Originator. Bible does not exclude theories of evolution. RESPONSE With all due respect Fr. Ivo, the Bible would have us believe Eve was created out of Adam's rib. The Bible does not leave any room for theories of evolution. It is infact the Church who subsequently acquiesced that evolution and Catholicism were not mutually exclusive, as long as one conceded that God was the Originator. Fr Ivo wrote: All of us need God's love. This is divine logic, not human logic. Unfortunately you seem to have missed it. Yet do not worry. He is the Saviour of the World. This is not "cafeteria religion", but scientific biblical interpretation. Fr.Ivo RESPONSE: The concept of a Saviour God was borrowed from existing agrarian inspired myths of the time. It was Augustine who later inserted this tricky bit of theology to justify the need for a Saviour. *Christian theology did not begin with St.Augustine. If you are led by Bible to believe that Eve was created from Adam's rib, why do you reject the teaching on Sin and Grace, which is the biblical TEACHING and is confirmed by human experience? The concept of sin itself is a product of religion. For me there is only normative behaviour and aberrant beviour. Aberrant behaviour maybe the result of mental impairment, physiological impulses or cultural moorings. Some of it may be addressed through treatment, some of it has to be addressed through negative reinforcement such as prison. In anycase, any God with the least amount of understanding of human frailty will not seek redressal harsher than this, and certainly not an eternity of damnation. * I do admire you for advising God... You speak of aberrant and deviant behaviour, but forget that human beings have been given the gift of freedom. In this line of thought, we can choose to sin... It can be frailty as well as our decision... You are raising the problem of "eternal damnation". That is a consequence of the misuse of our freedom. But we do believe also in God's mercy, embodied in his Son, Jesus of Nazareth. I do appreciate your point of view is from a theological perspective but I really am too far removed from salvation :-) Selma *Thank you! We do believe that God is Love. Fr.Ivo
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion/Cafeteria-ism of religiousinterpretation
Dear Fr Ivo Re your post, please enlighten me as to what exactly is "scientific biblical interpretation". Does it follow the cannons of modern science? Also, what exactly is "divine logic" as opposed to mere human logic? Thanks Cornel DaCosta
Re: [Goanet] Salvation of caste blind atheists (Bhandare)
Dear Nigel, Sorry for being too 'synthetic' in my answers. Sometimes we can be misunderstood. God judges us according to our light. But we have to increase our light with God's Grace. As I said earlier, only God can save us, unite us to himself. Jesus takes us to the Father. You know Jesus, then you have to proclaim his message. But those who have not heard about Jesus or do not know him explicitly will live according to their conscience, according to their lights, which they imbibe from their cultures, traditions and religions. --You say: > If we believe that all will be saved irrespective of whether they believe in Jesus or not, won't it be contradictory to what Jesus said? *They may believe or not, that depends whether they came to know or not. But they are within God's ssaving plan. --You say: > So if everyone would eventually be saved, why are there so many evangelists around? Indeed, why does even our Catholic Church have missionaries and all? *The disciples of Christ have the duty of being living witnesses to the Gospel of Jesus. --You say: >Jesus claimed to be the exclusive means of truth and salvation. People who reject him are also rejecting God. *The three wise men (Magi-astrologers) through the Grace of God came to faith in Jesus. What about those who do not yet know that Jesus is the Saviour? What about those who have not yet made that journey to Jesus? Can those who are not Christian get to heaven? Yes, they can. I think we can see part of the answer in the account of the wise men. By the Grace of God the wise men were led to Jesus. Even though they did not know Jesus, they had a desire to meet Jesus. In their own way, with their beliefs, they lived as best they could and this eventually led them to Jesus. Vatican II says: "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation."(Lumen Gentium §16) --You say: People who claim that there are other ways to salvation are wrong, Jesus said. *Objectively, only God can save. Subjectively, we live in a culture and religion and have our 'saviours' and 'healers'. Jesus is the Way, Life, Truth. You and I acknowledge it and proclaim it. But what about those who did not reach this stage, yet are living in good faith in harmony with their conscience? You say: > The Christian teaching of exclusive salvation is based on what Jesus himself said, and what the Scriptures teach. *Yes and no. Yes, Jesus is the Saviour, only he can save. No, because we are a 'little flock', those who do not know the Saviour explicitly can be saved. Those who live well according to the nature (dictates of conscience), cannot be condemned to hell by a God who is not a monster, but a loving Father. They can be innerly baptized by the Spirit of God (cf.Jn 3:3.5-6). The Church teaches about the threefold baptism: of water, of fire-desire and of blood-martyrdom. From: "Nigel Britto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Salvation of caste blind atheists (Bhandare) Dear Fr.Ivo >>From what I understand, the Bible makes it very clear that 'Repent and Believe' is the only way to eternal salvation. At the risk of sounding fundamentalist here, I'll emphasis another Biblical statement by Jesus Christ. If you don't follow me, you will not be in the kingdom of God (Matthew 7:26-27). If you reject me, you will not be with me in eternity (Matthew 10:32-33). > "I am the light of the world," he said (John 8:12). "I am the way and > the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well" (John 14:6-7). Truth Liberates *What is Truth? Nigel Britto
[Goanet] Check this out...Some more Goan photos
Check this outSome more Goan Photos.. Mom and kids on the beach (most popular with rediff over 1100 views) http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172163393&size=l sun has just gone down the Reis-Magos fort http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172955420&size=l Fish-net, cranes and Dolphin Trip Boat http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172956084&size=l Check whos crossing river Mandovi http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172165211&size=l These two crabs are for sale http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172957204&size=l Guess this beautiful Park http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172278453&size=l Another http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172279389&size=l A barge, fish net, cranes etc http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172280029&size=l A little puppy on the beach with cruising boat in the background http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2172280617&size=l Lovers, dogs, puppies, boat etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauksix/2173072524/ A canoe, 4 boatmen, cruise boat etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauksix/2173073076/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 ___ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/
[Goanet] Goan Convention in Toronto
It was good to see the announcement of the Goa Convention in Toronto in July in this year. All the best to the organizers. A look at the very well-designed web link provides some tentative information. It is nice, to see the beautiful and handsome faces of some Goanetters. It now allows to put a face to a name (of the goanet posts) and provides further disclosure. Yet some have tried to be incognito. Most faces and names on the web link are veteran goanetters. Yet it is interesting, they are not using goanet to start a dialogue on the "Strategic LONG-TERM and SHORT-TERM GOALS" of such national / international Goan conventions. And how these meetings can build on successes of past meetings and provide practical direction of future get-togethers. A public dialogue, prior to the convention, would help lay the ground-work and provide publicity to the convention. Such a dialogue on Goanet would be a lot more beneficial to Goa, Goans and goanet; instead of a series of postings on religion (or lack there off), or caste. The Toronto conventions should permit Goans to organize without direct government influence. Most important it should bring Goans together, hopefully on many long-lasting productive endeavors, useful to the Goan community. This is the opportunity to showcase that esteemed Goans can together achieve a lot more than song and dance. >From the names of Goans seen on the convention web, they have never been shy >to present ideas, even innovative and radical ones, on Goan web forums. I >hope they do not hold back now, when it counts most. I wish the organizers all >the best, as this is their opportunity to show they can "Walk the Talk". Kind Regards, GL
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria of Religion or Religious Interpretation
Dear Nigel, Thanks for your link. It is a good article explaining the four traditions of the Pentateuch (JEPD). We have to understand the religious-symbolic language. There are historical elements, but also theological, midrashic and symbolic. Since Christianity is a historical religion, Bible can be subjected to scientific investigation. Bible is the Word of God in human words (language, culture, history, mentality and thought patterns). Jesus was a Jew of Palestine. Therefore, his background has to be investigated. Also the period of oral tradition has to be studied. All this belongs to biblical exegesis. Regards. Fr.Ivo From: "Nigel Britto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion/Cafeteria-ism ofreligiousinterpretation Maybe this page would clarify the doubts.. http://levellers.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/creation-and-evolution-1-gen-24b-25/ On Jan 6, 2008 12:41 AM, Fr. Ivo da C. Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Selma, 1.Bible does not teach that the world was created in seven days. Just read the two creation accounts of Genesis 1:1-2:4a and 2:4b-25, coming from two different traditions. God is the Originator. Bible does not exclude theories of evolution. 2.Jesus has a point in his parable about the Prodigal Son (or better the Elder Son) (See Lk 15:2: Jesus responded to the Pharisees who despised the common people). Jesus came for the vulnerable. All of us need God's love. This is divine logic, not human logic. Unfortunately you seem to have missed it. Yet do not worry. He is the Saviour of the World. This is not "cafeteria religion", but scientific biblical interpretation. Fr.Ivo From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion/Cafeteria-ism of religiousinterpretation > Selma wrote: >> > For instance at some point it becomes untenable to > believe that the world was created in seven days while > simultaneously believing in the gradual evolution of > mankind. > Selma wrote: >>Each person chooses their own untenable positions, for me it was the rather benign parable of the Prodigal Son. The reason this parable has such resonance is because every human being imagines themselves to the Prodigal Son. >> > However, the crux of the matter was that Jesus Christ > had deeply misrepresented the feelings of the dutiful > son and completely misunderstood his angst. If Christ > could show such deficiency in his understanding of > human nature, than his being Divine was an untenable > position for me. >> > Mario responds: > Clearly, Jesus Christ was not as brilliant or > insightful or perspicacious as you are. >> > Selma wrote: >> > If one does believe in salvation resting in just one > religion... >> > Mario responds: > Selmabai, even Jesus Christ did not believe this, or > did your surgeon's scalpel of a mind finally miss > something in your brilliant deconstruction of the > Bible:-))
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS IN ORISSA ?
Everyday I wake up and read yet another horror story and weep for what India has become. It certainly wasn't this way in my youth. India's social conscience is in no hurry to catch up with its economic boom. selma - --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any truth left in this fundamentalist, > communalist world? > > Some absolute nonsese at > http://www.scribd.com/doc/953835/CHRISTIAN-TERRORISTS-IN-ORISSA-TRIED-TO-KILL-AN-80-YEAR-OLD-HINDU-SAINT-FOR-SEVENTH-TIME-ON-INSTRUCTIONS-FROM-SONIA-GANDHI > > Say YES to non-violence and communal harmony. Say NO > to bigotory and the fundamentalists (of all > types). > > Regards, > George > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [Goanet] Goan convention in Toronto - Topics to be tackled
Venantius Pinto wrote: > I have a feeling having met Kevin Saldanha, and having some knowledge > of Goan Canadian intelligentsia (long distance observation), that the > Tononto convention could well be an energizing and constructive one. > Now that I have my thinking cap on, I also believe it could also be a > great conference for socializing and matchmaking. Fortunately, there > are many Goan Candians who are solid thinkers, one Zulema comes to > mind; a broad spectrum of inputs will raise the stakes in what the > convention could offer. Venantius , This convention is organized by Goanetters. >From our very first meet, more than a year ago, we decided not to organize >"just another convention" but one that would produce solid results i.e. both >for Goans and for Goa. If you, or anyone else here, has a topic that needs to >be tackled, send in your suggestions. Better yet, make plans to attend the >convention. This is the time to stand up and let your views be known. This is also your opportunity to stand up and be counted. More importantly, this is your opportunity to network with those who have similar views as you AND who want to do something about it. Send in your suggestions folks and mark the dates on your calender. Mervyn3.0 Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Feast of the Three Kings at Cansaulim - Photos
To Goanet - Sunday, January 6, 2008: The Cansaulim monarch is vested and blessed by the family elders - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-01.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-02.jpg The village band was in attendance and the musicians responded to my Konkani with their Konkani. The upper class Sashtikars, on the other hand, were all Englishkars - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-03.jpg The procession wends its way through village streets, then through fields - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-04.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-05.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-06.jpg http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-07.jpg Hindus from the nearby villages came to the festa - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-08.jpg The Cansaulim King arrives for his rendezvous with the Royals from Cuelim and Arossim - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-09.jpg The beautiful Sofia Costa of Majorda - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-10.jpg The final trek up the hill to the Chapel of Our Lady of Remedios - http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/Cansaulim-11.jpg Warm regards, r Insult of the year: Frankey Fernandes of NDTV mistaking me for a bhailo ! The Lord always has a way of getting back at you. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] Nelson Ferrao
On 04/01/2008, Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nelson Ferrao has a Facebook page. > > http://www.facebook.com/people/Nelson_Ferrao/530408902 > > Please ask your children to log in and find out who he > is. > > Cheers, > > Santosh RESPONSE: People can use an alias on facebook, although this defeats the purpose of locating lost friends. There have been newspaper reports of fraudsters lifting people's identities - some give too much info; then there are the lurkers who want to find out about other people surreptitiously. So all in all facebook isn't all that it's made out to be, although a very useful tool for many who have made contact through it. If one is on facebook and has honestly given a profile then there should be no problem, divulging their identity on Goanet ? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS IN ORISSA ?
George, This is an obvious dangerous manipulation of the facts by the other political side in this mess. That is why it is doubly important for responsible organizations to report the facts on all sides rather than promote a partisan agenda. It is a pity therefore that the religious entity in Goa chose to present a one-sided picture that served their own agenda and purpose. This tribal area apparently is a hotbed of aggressive conversion and re-conversion efforts by both Christians and Hindus. Imagine two major religions literally battling with each other in the same battlefield to indoctrinate people in their competing esoteric versions of afterlife - simple people whose entire central concern is basic necessities such as food and shelter in this one life that they struggle to live. Cheers, Santosh From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Jan 6, 2008 2:58 AM > Subject: [Goanet] CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS IN ORISSA ? > To: Goanet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Is there any truth left in this fundamentalist, > communalist world? > > Some absolute nonsese at > http://www.scribd.com/doc/953835/CHRISTIAN-TERRORISTS-IN-ORISSA-TRIED-TO-KILL-AN-80-YEAR-OLD-HINDU-SAINT-FOR-SEVENTH-TIME-ON-INSTRUCTIONS-FROM-SONIA-GANDHI > > Say YES to non-violence and communal harmony. Say NO > to bigotory and the > fundamentalists (of all > types). > > Regards, > George
Re: [Goanet] Archbishop's Appeal for a Week of Prayer for Orissa
> From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Archbishop's Appeal for a Week of Prayer for > Orissa > > It is hard to pardon anybody who accuses others of > resorting to innuendo while admitting his own > ignorance of the issue. An ignorant man who truly > wants to find out the details would at least care to > read Miguel's original Goanet post on it. He would > learn from the IANS news service report posted by > Miguel that the Christian Panas people who clashed > with the Hindu Kandha tribals attacked the swami, and > the whole thing escalated into mindless violence. The "attack on the swami" version of events is disputed. Even assuming that the anti-Christian violence has been "retaliatory" in nature, its sheer scale is reminiscent of Gujarat violence of 2002 in "retaliation" for Godhra. There is a report at http://tinyurl.com/2wv5gd, which gives details of casualties and damages, and calls for a CBI enquiry into the whole thing, including especially the alleged attack on the swami. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] SEZ - Creation of Politician
Hi everyone , congress and bjp , Mathany or any. SEZ was not created by the comman man. It was a creation of greedy politicians and their cronies. Mathany or any politician deny this and prove yourselves. Let any politiacian or their cronies stand up and say they did what they did because Goans elected them to do what they wanted best. Goa is gone and if the fight to save Goa needs to be continued, politicians get out and sincere Goans get in. I know it's a point of not return - Goa is is raped and beyond salvage. But as a Goenkar I know hope is there. John Colaco - Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how.
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion/Cafeteria-ism of religiousinterpretation
Dear all, Maybe this page would clarify the doubts.. http://levellers.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/creation-and-evolution-1-gen-24b-25/ Truth Liberates Nigel Britto On Jan 6, 2008 12:41 AM, Fr. Ivo da C. Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Selma, > 1.Bible does not teach that the world was created in seven days. Just read > the two creation accounts of Genesis 1:1-2:4a and 2:4b-25, coming from two > different traditions. God is the Originator. Bible does not exclude > theories > of evolution. > 2.Jesus has a point in his parable about the Prodigal Son (or better the > Elder Son) (See Lk 15:2: Jesus responded to the Pharisees who despised the > common people). Jesus came for the vulnerable. All of us need God's love. > This is divine logic, not human logic. Unfortunately you seem to have > missed > it. Yet do not worry. He is the Saviour of the World. > This is not "cafeteria religion", but scientific biblical interpretation. > Fr.Ivo > > - Original Message - > From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion/Cafeteria-ism of > religiousinterpretation > > > > Selma wrote: > >> > > For instance at some point it becomes untenable to > > believe that the world was created in seven days while > > simultaneously believing in the gradual evolution of > > mankind. > >> > > > Selma wrote: > >>Each person chooses their own untenable positions, for > me it was the rather benign parable of the Prodigal > Son. The reason this parable has such resonance is > because every human being imagines themselves to the > Prodigal Son. Unfortunately even as a very young > child, I identified with the other son; the good, > dutiful son who did all the right things. My own elder > brother was very errant, and my mother went out of her > way to accommodate his many failings and lack of > academic interest. Of course, being ten I knew all > about Law and Justice and little about motherly love. > > > However, the crux of the matter was that Jesus Christ > > had deeply misrepresented the feelings of the dutiful > > son and completely misunderstood his angst. If Christ > > could show such deficiency in his understanding of > > human nature, than his being Divine was an untenable > > position for me. > >> > > Mario responds: > >> > > Clearly, Jesus Christ was not as brilliant or > > insightful or perspicacious as you are. > >> > > Selma wrote: > >> > > If one does believe in salvation resting in just one > > religion,... > >> > > Mario responds: > >> > > Selmabai, even Jesus Christ did not believe this, or > > did your surgeon's scalpel of a mind finally miss > > something in your brilliant deconstruction of the > > Bible:-)) > > >
[Goanet] Edward to regale in 'SIR'
Edward to regale in SIR Mr. Edward Estibeiro with his mellifluous voice has created a history on the Konkani stage in Goa by singing a duet alone, without a female partner by imitating a female voice with incredible perfection. Its indeed a novelty. And now, he will enthrall tiatr lovers in Kuwait in Comedian Agostinhos super hit tiatr SIR on Friday Jan. 18th, 2008 at Hawally AC Auditorium at 3.30 pm. Watch him in action. Gate pass: LIMRA CARGO (Tony Golden Goa) Nicklas-9732917, Philip-9494518, Chequinho-6364366, Benny-6533229, Laurente-6262597 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Happy Feast to all Cansalkars, Velsaokars, Chandorkars and Veremkars
Happy Feast to all Cansalkars, Velsaokars, Chandorkars and Veremkars Chonnem, kaddio-boddio, Reuddio, Poskotte, Girgirim, Kermes, sortio-housie, cheuris-paum, Pernim, tamonn, Vhoddlem Mis, Festa mis, Xermao, Daktem Mis, pirjent, pursao, umao, soirim-dairim, dukra-mas, sorpotel, addmas, san'na-vodde-undde, gaye- mas, asad, kombea xacuti, nustem, rexad bangdde, ved'dur-dudhi/bhaji, Kopachem-beer-soro, dans, tiatr, dhirio etc etc January 6th 2007. The 3 king feast video clip (Cansaulim/Velsao) http://youtube.com/watch?v=8puVKN_1iYY Pictures: 2 kings http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=352906996&size=o 1 king http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=352760732&size=l Our Lady of Remedious Chapel (Main Altar) http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=352906994&size=l A view from the Velsao Lake (Pali-Tollem) The hillock, the chapel and the 3 kings path/common way to descend http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=397562043&size=o another view of the chapel (new) http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2171531246&size=l [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Query: Information on Nachinola
Dear Albert, Thre's a better chance to get information on such issues by raising the question publicly -- am copying it to Goanet, and the two neighbouring village nets, Aldona-Net and Moira-Net. BTW, what's the link between Friends of Saligao and Nachinola-related information? Most might not be aware, but Goa has a total of nearly 350 villages (some so tiny and underpopulated, in parts of the eastern interior, that you've probably not even heard their name... check the map http://www.johnthemap.co.uk/pages/goa/goamap.html ). FN -- Forwarded message -- From: Gabe & Annemarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 6 Jan 2008 13:32 Subject: Information on Nachinola To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could somebody please send me information about the village of Nachionola in Bardez. Also names of distinguihed people from Nachionola. Any other information of interest would be appreciated. I need it for a brochure which I am preparing for The Friends of Saligao Also contact information of people from Nachionola. Many thanks Send to: Albert Da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 Links from Goa: http://goalinks.livejournal.com/
[Goanet] CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS IN ORISSA ?
Is there any truth left in this fundamentalist, communalist world? Some absolute nonsese at http://www.scribd.com/doc/953835/CHRISTIAN-TERRORISTS-IN-ORISSA-TRIED-TO-KILL-AN-80-YEAR-OLD-HINDU-SAINT-FOR-SEVENTH-TIME-ON-INSTRUCTIONS-FROM-SONIA-GANDHI Say YES to non-violence and communal harmony. Say NO to bigotory and the fundamentalists (of all types). Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Cafeteria-ism of Religion
--- "Fr. Ivo da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: God is the Originator. Bible > does not exclude theories > of evolution. RESPONSE With all due respect Fr. Ivo, the Bible would have us believe Eve was created out of Adam's rib. The Bible does not leave any room for theories of evolution. It is infact the Church who subsequently acquiesced that evolution and Catholicism were not mutually exclusive, as long as one conceded that God was the Originator. Fr Ivo wrote: All > of us need God's love. > This is divine logic, not human logic. Unfortunately > you seem to have missed > it. Yet do not worry. He is the Saviour of the > World. > This is not "cafeteria religion", but scientific > biblical interpretation. > Fr.Ivo RESPONSE: The concept of a Saviour God was borrowed from existing agrarian inspired myths of the time. It was Augustine who later inserted this tricky bit of theology to justify the need for a Saviour. The concept of sin itself is a product of religion. For me there is only normative behaviour and aberrant beviour. Aberrant behaviour maybe the result of mental impairment, physiological impulses or cultural moorings. Some of it may be addressed through treatment, some of it has to be addressed through negative reinforcement such as prison. In anycase, any God with the least amount of understanding of human frailty will not seek redressal harsher than this, and certainly not an eternity of damnation. I do appreciate your point of view is from a theological perspective but I really am too far removed from salvation :-) selma Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[Goanet] Goan convention in Toronto_To_Nelson Ferrao_Cornel DaCosta
Hi Nelson, I have a feeling having met Kevin Saldanha, and having some knowledge of Goan Canadian intelligentsia (long distance observation), that the Tononto convention could well be an energizing and constructive one. Now that I have my thinking cap on, I also believe it could also be a great conference for socializing and matchmaking. Fortunately, there are many Goan Candians who are solid thinkers, one Zulema comes to mind; a broad spectrum of inputs will raise the stakes in what the convention could offer. But any convention can offer only so much, before it turns into a jamboree (meant in the sense of confusion). There could certainly be a section on small business entrepreneurship, as well as one on lifestyle and sexuality -- the whole shebang; family planning, breast feeding, domestic violence/abuse including those that youngsters are getting into, general sense of values etc. Hi Cornel, Kevin Saldanha of Toronto, who attended the Lisbon conference, was instrumental in offering that the next convention be held in Toronto. A lot about the Lisbon convention was put out on Goanet, including a piece by Wendell Rodricks. Between the archives and Kevin Saldanha (mind bogglingly articulate for the par) , I believe one could have any question regarding the upcomg Goan convention in Toronto, answered. venantius Cornel DaCosta wrote: > Hi Nelson > Please could you say what was particularly good about the Lisbon Convention > and would be useful info for the Toronto Convention? > Unfortunately, I could not attend in Lisbon. > Cornel DaCosta > > nelson ferrao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Dear All > Are we going to discuss any matters relating to the state of affairs of > Goa? or it is going to be a pure social gathering! > The one organised in portugal was very good and this one should be > organised on a similar basis. >
[Goanet] Blog for Goanet
FROM THE COMING TORONTO CONVENTION: BLOG - 5 JAN: here's part of the daily blog - click on the link below for the rest - incl. the INTERVIEW WITH POPE BENEDICT!! http://2008goanconvention.com/blog/index.php ___ DEAR AUNTY, My guy went South to pick cotton - no sign of him for ages! Is he like you at your Goan Convention? Sadie. .. Dear Sadie: Oh, he's goan, but not for cotton!! ___ CHURCHILL SICK AT TORONTO AIRPORT:) "Everybody flu on the plane, we just want runway!" ___ FAMOUS INDIANS TO ATTEND TORONTO CONVENTION:) Prime Minister of Great Britain: GORDHAN BARUN ! ___ AMAZING GOA #3: (J.P. Lourenco) 1.When was the historic Goa Opinion Poll held? 16th January 1967. 2.Which victorious Hindu king is the Musall Nach (pestle- dance) of Chandor dedicated to? Hari Hara, King of Vijayanagar in the 14th century. 3. Which fort in Goa was used as a watering station by Portuguese ships and thus gets its name? Fort Aguada. 4. Where is the Touxeanchem Fest (cucumber feast) celebrated? Church of Santa Ana, Talaulim, Tiswadi. 5.Which tree in Goa is considered the State Tree? Matti tree (Terminalia crenulata) THERE ARE 197 DAYS LEFT FOR THE CONVENTION! http://2008goanconvention.com/ pls. forward to anybody interested in the Convention _ Discover new ways to stay in touch with Windows Live! Visit the City @ Live today! http://getyourliveid.ca/?icid=LIVEIDENCA006
