RE: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat
Thank you. Don't have the book. Good to know about size as I was thinking of going up a size and making it a 2X. I know I will need to fit it and I have a short waist and it being for men will probably be for long waist. I came across this regency shirt that I may use for a wee bit of adaptation. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_405.htm I was thinking of removing the extra piece on the sleeve and putting a "real" gusset in as I tend to have problems with built in gussets. Found out that I need to go to JoAnn's to get more of the linen/rayon material as I am shy of 1yd. I have been looking at coats like these to get rough ideas to make it look different. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_251.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Troost_Music_lover.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bowdoin.jpg The material is gold striped brocade and the lining is a polished cotton rust which will also be used for the pants. I have two coordinating brocades that I plan to make the long and the short vest. I purchased at the NASCFI con a brown felted hat that I need to trim and edge, then tack the brim into place. Once I complete the above I have two outfits based off of Simplicity #3677 http://tinyurl.com/ysalao CFG, both fantasy, one forest fairy, the other space pirate. The latter will be a slight pain as the shirt will be of a light weight sheer material that likes to rave. :P Again, that you for your site. De -Original Message- If you have _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ there's a lot of very useful diagrams there. What I found last year, doing the exact same thing is that (in addition to the faux pockets) the coat runs large (too long and too wide in back both), and there isn't nearly enough fabric in the skirts. And it needs lining. The waistcoat was ok out of the package. The shirt was ok except for the underarms where they attached a gusset piece. It fits fine, I made mine as-is, but historically it would have been a gusset. The front opening is really deep. Check it before you cut it. Mine almost ended up at my navel. If you don't want to look like every other member of the Simplicity Pirate Fleet (and there's a lot of them out there) may I suggest you change the shape of the pocket flaps and cuffs. My project diary: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/17thcentury.htm Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume brag books online
On 11 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I suppose the gallery section of my website would count as one (brag book > that is). Likewise, the closest I have is a couple of web pages: http://goblinrevolution.org/costumes/navy/ http://goblinrevolution.org/costumes/miles/vorkosigan_house/index.html Oh, and the one for the baby: http://goblinrevolution.org/costumes/miles/vorbaby/index.html -- Chris Bertani www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat
otsisto wrote: No, I hadn't noticed. I came across this while looking for a shirt. I am using the Simplicity Pirate pattern #4923 http://tinyurl.com/359l8g to make a costume, maybe for Halloween and for sure, for 2008 Archon and wished to adapt it to make it look more authentic then costumy. Thinking of putting pockets into the jacket and maybe the vest. If you have _The Cut of Men's Clothes_ there's a lot of very useful diagrams there. What I found last year, doing the exact same thing is that (in addition to the faux pockets) the coat runs large (too long and too wide in back both), and there isn't nearly enough fabric in the skirts. And it needs lining. The waistcoat was ok out of the package. The shirt was ok except for the underarms where they attached a gusset piece. It fits fine, I made mine as-is, but historically it would have been a gusset. The front opening is really deep. Check it before you cut it. Mine almost ended up at my navel. If you don't want to look like every other member of the Simplicity Pirate Fleet (and there's a lot of them out there) may I suggest you change the shape of the pocket flaps and cuffs. My project diary: http://www.reddawn.net/costume/17thcentury.htm Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Good late 1820's patterns -an anyone recommend ?
Greetings everyone: Can anyone recommend a c. 1820's pattern? - quick delivery, fairly accurate, instructions that are not to hard to follow, yadda, yadda. I usually draft my own patterns, but I'm tired of messing around and tweaking designs. The usual story - last minute project idea, etc. Sheridan Alder Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Victorian costume collection
Hi: Kathy, what size are the gowns and what prices are you thinking? I'm sorta interested in either the Victorian or 18th century gowns, even though I probably shouldn't be buying ANYTHING right now. I'm a size 14 for the forseeable future, although I have fantasies of dieting, but I'm 5'9". Sheridan - Original Message From: Kathy Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:31:16 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Victorian costume collection >Where are you? >Sylvia I am about an hour's drive west of Toronto, Ontario. But I'm happy to ship to anywhere in the world. :-) I just realised that my soon-to-be ex had uploaded all of my portfolio to his Picasa account, thinking I needed a copy. I had them in my drive, but this is a convenient mistake: http://picasaweb.google.com/49victor/KathySCostuming It's not sorted yet, and I don't currently have access to the account to do any sorting. Any men's wear, children's wear or anything pre-1600 is not for sale. Anything else I will consider. Although I would really like to keep my hoop dress, the right price will sell it. I can always make another one. >I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live? I can paint/sew, etc. and >would be happy to help. I'm pretty good with tools, too. Comes from years as >a theatre tech. >For the costumes: >This was posted on Tribe >Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire >Sharon Hm I wonder if I called to offer my collection, we could come to an arrangement. Thanks for the offer. If you were anywhere near me, I'd have you here in a heartbeat. :-) I have so much to do, all little annoying things, some need professionals. My SIL is a lighting engineer and interior designer that used to stage houses for realtors, so as far as that goes, I have a good consultant. We are having a grand time spending his money to fix the house he no longer lives in. ;-) >Have you heard the one about the woman whose husband and new girlfriend/wife >wanted to move into her home, which she couldn't afford now he had dumped >her? She put fresh shrimp in the hollow curtain rods and moved out. *L* Yes, I have heard it. I thought about pushing a chunk of roadkill into the mattress, but I'd have to find a way of opening a seam, then replacing it without being noticeable. I just thought my perfume would be nauseating enough to him that he won't sleep well. This is the stuff that he said not long ago he liked because it reminded him of me. And incidentally, my mother bought me so much of it, I could bathe in the lotion and bottles of perfume. I'm just going to spray, smear and powder that damned thing until it reeks, then package it up in plastic, looking like I am being pleasant and efficient. It'll be too late by the time he gets it to his "cozy, furnished and convenient little basement apartment" that he'll be stuck with it. He can't afford to buy a new one now, anyway. The smell will go away - eventually. Yes, I am evil! Kathy ~who's ex thinks my making comments in an email about cold beds is funny. He didn't see my face when I wrote it~ Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to their own image. Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat
No, I hadn't noticed. I came across this while looking for a shirt. I am using the Simplicity Pirate pattern #4923 http://tinyurl.com/359l8g to make a costume, maybe for Halloween and for sure, for 2008 Archon and wished to adapt it to make it look more authentic then costumy. Thinking of putting pockets into the jacket and maybe the vest. De -Original Message- Thanks a lot for this! It is clever, did you notice, they made an extra expansion on the right side for the buttons, so that the pattern wont be spoiled when closed together? Bjarne - Original Message - > http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=543 > > De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Victorian costume collection
Have you contacted any costume rental shops in Toronto? I would think some of them would love to have your collection, which looks great to me. Sylrog On Sep 17, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Kathy Page wrote: Where are you? Sylvia I am about an hour's drive west of Toronto, Ontario. But I'm happy to ship to anywhere in the world. :-) I just realised that my soon-to-be ex had uploaded all of my portfolio to his Picasa account, thinking I needed a copy. I had them in my drive, but this is a convenient mistake: http://picasaweb.google.com/49victor/KathySCostuming It's not sorted yet, and I don't currently have access to the account to do any sorting. Any men's wear, children's wear or anything pre-1600 is not for sale. Anything else I will consider. Although I would really like to keep my hoop dress, the right price will sell it. I can always make another one. I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live? I can paint/sew, etc. and would be happy to help. I'm pretty good with tools, too. Comes from years as a theatre tech. For the costumes: This was posted on Tribe Lost Colony buildings destroyed in fire Sharon Hm I wonder if I called to offer my collection, we could come to an arrangement. Thanks for the offer. If you were anywhere near me, I'd have you here in a heartbeat. :-) I have so much to do, all little annoying things, some need professionals. My SIL is a lighting engineer and interior designer that used to stage houses for realtors, so as far as that goes, I have a good consultant. We are having a grand time spending his money to fix the house he no longer lives in. ;-) Have you heard the one about the woman whose husband and new girlfriend/wife wanted to move into her home, which she couldn't afford now he had dumped her? She put fresh shrimp in the hollow curtain rods and moved out. *L* Yes, I have heard it. I thought about pushing a chunk of roadkill into the mattress, but I'd have to find a way of opening a seam, then replacing it without being noticeable. I just thought my perfume would be nauseating enough to him that he won't sleep well. This is the stuff that he said not long ago he liked because it reminded him of me. And incidentally, my mother bought me so m st going to spray, smear and powder that damned thing until it reeks, then package it up in plastic, looking like I am being pleasant and efficient. It'll be too late by the time he gets it to his "cozy, furnished and convenient little basement apartment" that he'll be stuck with it. He can't afford to buy a new one now, anyway. The smell will go away - eventually. Yes, I am evil! Kathy ~who's ex thinks my making comments in an email about cold beds is funny. He didn't see my face when I wrote it~ Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Who you are is contained inside, and no one can change that. They can only assist you in denying who you are, but not indelibly reshape you to their own image. Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: Source for Busk
>I am in search of a 15 inch wooden busk. Anyone know where I >might find such a thing? A friend & I made mine in about 1 evening with a bandsaw & belt sander. http://cinbarnes.googlepages.com/1600eleanorherbertI didnt see any any other sources, really. If you want it carved, like most of the extant 17th & 18c busks, it might take you longer. The best costumes require the use of powertools. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets
Alex wrote: > In looking at this painting of Elizabeth Vernon I had a few questions > and wondered what other's thoughts were on some of the elements of the > lady's costume. > > http://www.boughtonhouse.org.uk/htm/gallery2/paintings/countessofsoton.htm This is not my own area so I won't try to answer, but I do want to note that Danielle Nunn-Weinberg, who is sometimes on this list, did a detailed study of these jackets, including a point-by-point analysis of the Vernon portrait, in volume 2 of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. The article is called "The Matron Goes to the Masque: The Dual Identity of the English Embroidered Jacket." I would strongly suggest you read this before you try to re-create anything from this portrait, because it's chock-full of theatrical and symbolic elements. > and I'm guessing that construction of the embroidered jacket is > similar to Margaret Layton (or is it Laton?)'s jacket that is still in > the V&A and there's a portrait somewhere of her wearing said jacket. > This jacket is dated to 1620, and Margaret's portrait to a few years > later. Elizabeth's portrait is dated to 1600. Danielle's article discusses (and shows a picture of) both the Laton jacket and the portrait, and explains the apparent discrepancies between them. > And lastly, does anyone have leads as to what these jackets might have > looked like before the vogue for the polychrome embroidery as seen in > these paintings and artifacts that have all been dated to 1600 or > later? I'm hoping to figure out what a lady in 1570-80 might have > worn. Danielle examined about 100 portraits showing jackets and seven extant jackets. 10 of the portraits were painted before 1600. She doesn't have a lot of detail about them, but I think it's worth reading the article to get a sense of their line of development. Danielle may have more to say if she's reading this. --Robin _ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Café. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets
At 15:32 19/09/2007, you wrote: And lastly, does anyone have leads as to what these jackets might have looked like before the vogue for the polychrome embroidery as seen in these paintings and artifacts that have all been dated to 1600 or later? I'm hoping to figure out what a lady in 1570-80 might have worn. alex There's two monochrome embroidered jackets mentioned on this page, if it helps http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/themaidstonejacket.html but ultimately I think jackets are a very late 16th century fashion and I'm not sure if they existed in the 1570s. Elizabeth The "London" jacket at the Museum of London is dated 1610-15. The "Maidstone" jacket is dated, if I remember right, 1630. I think that any jacket earlier than them would have been pretty much the same shape, as that does not change in the embroidered jackets for up to 60 years or so, depending on location. (In Denmark they appear in about 1660.) There are plain ones, both wadded and plain, in Holland, Flanders and the Low Countries throughout the 17th century. I just wonder if plain ones were used before 1600, and have simply not been recorded as they were considered to be "ordinary." Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets
And lastly, does anyone have leads as to what these jackets might have looked like before the vogue for the polychrome embroidery as seen in these paintings and artifacts that have all been dated to 1600 or later? I'm hoping to figure out what a lady in 1570-80 might have worn. alex There's two monochrome embroidered jackets mentioned on this page, if it helps http://www.extremecostuming.com/reproductions/themaidstonejacket.html but ultimately I think jackets are a very late 16th century fashion and I'm not sure if they existed in the 1570s. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole | Elizabeth Beaumont Canberra, Australia | Politarchopolis, Lochac http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat
In a message dated 9/19/2007 4:56:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is clever, did you notice, they made an extra expansion on the right side for the buttons, so that the pattern wont be spoiled when closed together? ** Yes, I noticed that. We discussed this about a costume from "Jefferson in Paris" that had done the same thing. So maybe it was a starting trend late in the century. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon
Me Me Me! I've been looking forward to this since Fearga, Karis, and I were driving home from your last lecture. I can't wait, I know I missed a lot the first time around. Morrghan (A lurker due to infant time demands.) Will anyone else from h-cost be there? Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Elizabethan Dressing Jackets
Good morning, In looking at this painting of Elizabeth Vernon I had a few questions and wondered what other's thoughts were on some of the elements of the lady's costume. http://www.boughtonhouse.org.uk/htm/gallery2/paintings/countessofsoton.htm In particular, I am wondering if the smooth white we see is a lining of the embroidered jacket, or is that her smock that is laid open to show the falling lace collar against the jacket? and I'm guessing that construction of the embroidered jacket is similar to Margaret Layton (or is it Laton?)'s jacket that is still in the V&A and there's a portrait somewhere of her wearing said jacket. This jacket is dated to 1620, and Margaret's portrait to a few years later. Elizabeth's portrait is dated to 1600. http://www.vam.ac.uk/vastatic/microsites/british_galleries/bg_styles/Style01b/objects/object5_2.html And lastly, does anyone have leads as to what these jackets might have looked like before the vogue for the polychrome embroidery as seen in these paintings and artifacts that have all been dated to 1600 or later? I'm hoping to figure out what a lady in 1570-80 might have worn. alex -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] re: Bayreuth Event 2007
In a message dated 9/19/2007 9:44:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, we are definitely considering Florence for next yearwoohoo! * Florence, SC? Don't get too excited! [I'm teasing, of course] ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] re: Bayreuth Event 2007
Makes you want to do 18th Century, hey Richard? (Sigh) Hehwell, my costume interests *are* varied, as you well know ;-) Why not 18th century? When are you coming East? Hmmmprobably not until the criminal housing market in MI recovers at least _somewhat_. However, we are definitely considering Florence for next yearwoohoo! Monica/ Catriona Richard/Henry/Haamid/you name it! _ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Source for Busk
Grannd Garb www.granndgarb.com have some. I've ordered from them before and had excellent service. On 9/18/07, Jane Pease <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am in search of a 15 inch wooden busk. Anyone know where I might find such > a thing? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jane Pease > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] More info on my lectures in Oregon
Hi Robin! Unfortunately I can't come owing to a prior commitment, but I hope Regina will let me read her notes! ;) Much thanks to you and Tammie (in An Tir, Viscountess Laurellin) and the organizers for this wonderful opportunity! Arlys ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat
Thanks a lot for this! It is clever, did you notice, they made an extra expansion on the right side for the buttons, so that the pattern wont be spoiled when closed together? Bjarne - Original Message - From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat http://www.trousseau.net/trousseau2.asp?P=2&I=543 De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Bayreuth pictures
Dear Kate, No you are absolutely correct, normally it was not the tone with moustache, but some of the military persons had. Also a gentleman with a strange beard, he was a payed musician who wore a strange costume. But he played the cemballo wery well. He also had forgotten his knee stockings, so luckily i had some he could borrow. Some prussian officers wore moustache, (think about Barry Lyndon?) The pale green was indeed a dress i kept my eyes apon very long time, it was a mantua. I especially admired the back it was so beautifull. Bjarne - Original Message - From: "Kate M Bunting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Bayreuth pictures What beautiful pictures! The young lady in light green looks particularly exquisite. I notice some of the gentlemen have moustaches or small beards. Is this correct for the period? I once spent a year in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the local patriotic hero, Major Davel, is always shown with a powdered wig and a small moustache. I thought this odd, because I've never seen facial hair in 18th century British portraits. Perhaps it was a Continental fashion? Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 1780 men's embroidered waistcoat
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[h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Bayreuth pictures
What beautiful pictures! The young lady in light green looks particularly exquisite. I notice some of the gentlemen have moustaches or small beards. Is this correct for the period? I once spent a year in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the local patriotic hero, Major Davel, is always shown with a powdered wig and a small moustache. I thought this odd, because I've never seen facial hair in 18th century British portraits. Perhaps it was a Continental fashion? Kate Bunting Librarian & 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
