RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
I thought something like that had already been done when folks were finding router problems trying to get to the VA Demo? Joel Ivey did the magic on that re-work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS How difficult would it be to modify the source code so that a specific port is used for the call back, rather than a random port. I would think that finding the code would the difficult part. But after found, I would think that specifying a given port would be straightforward. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with > our network security. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
How difficult would it be to modify the source code so that a specific port is used for the call back, rather than a random port. I would think that finding the code would the difficult part. But after found, I would think that specifying a given port would be straightforward. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with > our network security. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
I caught that part - I just don't like WMs (I'm assuming the workstation version) used for production use in that manner since you have to: a) leave the server logged in with the VM session (each one) started and running b) handle security level access for each system c) buy an OS for each instance anyways As Bhaskar suggested and what I'm suggesting is not Citrix (that's expensive) but the built in RDC system that's in Win03. Windows 2003 is AWESOME when you figure in the new "by user" licensing scheme and remote desktop. Also note Microsoft just released Virtual Server for Windows Server 2003 that's like VMWare but it's for the server and you don't have to start up the sessions - the guest systems start in the background as part of the server's services. I'm not pushing for the need to spend more $ (as I hate to myself) but I think running VM Workstation edition ON a server and passing in one user to one session is problematic and error-prone. Using a Remote Desktop / User session system OR VPN/network level access from a client is by far easier to implement and maintain. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, I think what is being suggested it the VM+ desktop run on the server and the X session is forwarded to the remote box. Similar to a citrix set up, just less costly well, except for the VMWare if that's whats used. Now if the CPRS on WINE become functional you can skip the VMware part. ~ Pat David Sommers wrote: | Not sure a VM on a *nix desktop will work - sounds like the problem is | network level access between the servers and clients. A linux box would | still have the same problem and the same level of access as a pure | windows box. | | If tunneling is the option that linux gives you, there are options just | like that for your windows machines as well. | | /David. | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy | Anthracite | Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:47 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS | | You believe you will find documentation for the non GUI version of CPRS | in | the www.va.gov/vdl web site right next to the CPRSGui documentation - | CPRS | List Managers Version is it I think. John Zimmer is a fan of the | non-GUI | interface as I recall. | | CPRSGui did not come into existance until the mid-90s to my knowledge, | so | you won't be much behind the times. I gather you have tried various | VPNs, | or do you have one already that isn't cooperating? | | How about Win4Lin, or VMWare run on Linux? The VMWare is $165 and I | believe | Win4Lin is $80. | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS | Wagner | Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:32 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS | | | It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. | Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set | up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I | assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see | once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different | people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's | documentation. Everything is directed toward the | administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll | have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying | to learn what to do. | | What I'm trying to get done right now: | * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection | screen where he can view/edit patient info | * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to | hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and | having the provider log back in and select the same patient? | * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or | schedule visits for existing patients. | | If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making | graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or | Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back | security headache of CPRS. | | -Shaun | | | --- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 | Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on | who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. | Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php | ___ | Hardhats-members mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members | | | | | ---
[Hardhats-members] Re: VistA Community Call Notes - September24, 2004
Comments below. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "K.S. Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <...snipped...> > > On the call, I asked about the vendor organization that is being created > by a small number of vendors (Claudine gave their names as HP, Perot > Systems, DSS, Oleen, InterSystems Medsphere and several independent > consultants was also discussed). I expressed unhappiness with the fact > that this vendor group was being created out of sight of the community, > especially after the words that had flown back and forth in the recent > past about openness and transparency of process in creating and managing > such organizations. I was especially disappointed that Fidelity > (formerly Sanchez), which had been such an active participant in opening > up VistA to the community as a whole for several years had not been > included. Crawford Rainwater also expressed discomfort at having been > left out. Others, including Joseph Dal Molin, added their comments to > the discussion (and at this point, my notes run thin - others who were > on the call, please add to this post). There was also discussion as to > whether this group of vendors would create the organization and present > it to the community as a fait accompli or whether the community could be > involved in the creation of a vendor association. > The fact that now (once again) there is a separate VistA Vendor "entity" working with either little to no communications to either the VistA Community (as a whole) or all of the other associated Vendors. I personally see the VistA Community (via HardHats, the meetings, etc.) as a model comparible to a Linux distribution or related Open Source project (pick your favorite one for the mental picture and example). These models are generally very open, have nice open dialogues, and good avenues of communicating within and outside of itself. If there is a group that wants to go off on its own and try to have an agenda, game plan, etc. without the Community as a whole to know about it, yes it will be perceived in negative light by others (to put it lightly). This is the present state and feelings by several vendors within the VistA Community, including Fidelity and The Linux ETC Company. I believe in the end, the Community (as a whole) wants to know what is going on informational wise as well as to possibly give input and/or feedback. I am not saying that everyone needs to be involved with pulling the strings of this "entity", but for the "entity" to not play well with others is still poor form at the very least. The latter is what I have been extremely put off (once again, to be nice here) about and will still have issues with. I believe at this point now, there are quite a few others that will agree with me on this topic and I would like to see more a more open and public dialogue on this topic. Until then, I believe there will be quite a bit of resistance from other VistA Vendors on this topic. Once again and personally, The Linux ETC Company and myself cannot endorse such an "vendor entity" that is not willing to "play well" with the VistA Community as a whole. Sincerely, Crawford Rainwater CEO and President Linux+, LCP, LPIC-1, RHCT -- The Linux ETC Company P.M.B. 146 368 South McCaslin Boulevard Louisville, CO 80027 USA +1 (303) 604-2550 (voice) +1 (866) 604-2550 (toll free within the US) +1 (303) 664-0036 (fax) http://www.linux-etc.biz --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
That just sucks. Don't want to be too professional about it but when a hospital can't provide their staff with the best tool to get the job done - then what's the point? They should help you setup your VPN and then support it. There are always alternatives that can be placed into production without immediately saying NO if it involves any changes even if those changes are within their policies. And its not like policies are in stone - I bet they change - what's wrong with two VPNs? Or a second firewall that uses a different set of rules for a system pointing to your VistA server. Etc. At least with my VPN server, if a user connects to it and has a certain set of criteria (computer IP, username/group, etc) - then I can grant or deny access to any network resource. Sure it adds a burden to my administrative tasks if I had to do this all the time (and I don't, I give full access internally) - but it just seems like part of the IT group's job. And I would know - I'm 1/2 of our company's IT group. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS That is great. I'll get the non-gui version and see how that flies. As for the VPNs, I don't have a choice there. The hospital only allows their VPN to be used. They monitor the network for rogue VPN activity and shut down the ports of any VPN listeners. If I were to set up my own VPN on the Vista server, it would only take a day or so before the MAC address was banned from the network. As for VMWare et al, that is not allowed with this project. I had to fight a major uphill battle to get them to allow purchasing Windows to run the GUI version of CPRS. The initial project plan requested a free OS for both the server and clients. After proving that it would cost way too much to get CPRS to run on Linux, they caved on the fact that purchasing new client PCs will include the Windows OS - so it isn't really an added expense. -Shaun Nancy Anthracite wrote: >You believe you will find documentation for the non GUI version of CPRS in >the www.va.gov/vdl web site right next to the CPRSGui documentation - CPRS >List Managers Version is it I think. John Zimmer is a fan of the non-GUI >interface as I recall. > >CPRSGui did not come into existance until the mid-90s to my knowledge, so >you won't be much behind the times. I gather you have tried various VPNs, >or do you have one already that isn't cooperating? > >How about Win4Lin, or VMWare run on Linux? The VMWare is $165 and I believe >Win4Lin is $80. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS >Wagner >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:32 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > > >It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. >Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set >up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I >assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see >once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different >people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's >documentation. Everything is directed toward the >administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll >have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying >to learn what to do. > >What I'm trying to get done right now: > * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection >screen where he can view/edit patient info > * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to >hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and >having the provider log back in and select the same patient? > * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or >schedule visits for existing patients. > >If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making >graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or >Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back >security headache of CPRS. > > -Shaun > > >--- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on >who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. >Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php >___ >Hardhats-members mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > >--- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on >who ports your project to Linux PPC
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, I think what is being suggested it the VM+ desktop run on the server and the X session is forwarded to the remote box. Similar to a citrix set up, just less costly well, except for the VMWare if that's whats used. Now if the CPRS on WINE become functional you can skip the VMware part. ~ Pat David Sommers wrote: | Not sure a VM on a *nix desktop will work - sounds like the problem is | network level access between the servers and clients. A linux box would | still have the same problem and the same level of access as a pure | windows box. | | If tunneling is the option that linux gives you, there are options just | like that for your windows machines as well. | | /David. | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy | Anthracite | Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:47 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS | | You believe you will find documentation for the non GUI version of CPRS | in | the www.va.gov/vdl web site right next to the CPRSGui documentation - | CPRS | List Managers Version is it I think. John Zimmer is a fan of the | non-GUI | interface as I recall. | | CPRSGui did not come into existance until the mid-90s to my knowledge, | so | you won't be much behind the times. I gather you have tried various | VPNs, | or do you have one already that isn't cooperating? | | How about Win4Lin, or VMWare run on Linux? The VMWare is $165 and I | believe | Win4Lin is $80. | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS | Wagner | Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:32 AM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS | | | It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. | Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set | up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I | assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see | once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different | people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's | documentation. Everything is directed toward the | administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll | have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying | to learn what to do. | | What I'm trying to get done right now: | * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection | screen where he can view/edit patient info | * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to | hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and | having the provider log back in and select the same patient? | * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or | schedule visits for existing patients. | | If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making | graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or | Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back | security headache of CPRS. | | -Shaun | | | --- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 | Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on | who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. | Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php | ___ | Hardhats-members mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members | | | | | --- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 | Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on | who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. | Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php | ___ | Hardhats-members mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members | | | --- | This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 | Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on | who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. | Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php | ___ | Hardhats-members mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBVHY9EW4vf6x5hV8RAtpnAJsEvsyN9TB7VCdlZSOt6Tg4gg1AvwCcCOib NABxkV3T0td11y+qCWzOdYM= =FiRi -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 14:59, CS Wagner wrote: [KSB] <...snip...> > As for VMWare et al, that is not allowed with this project. I had to > fight a major uphill battle to get them to allow purchasing Windows to > run the GUI version of CPRS. The initial project plan requested a free > OS for both the server and clients. After proving that it would cost > way too much to get CPRS to run on Linux, they caved on the fact that > purchasing new client PCs will include the Windows OS - so it isn't > really an added expense. You may not need VMWare. I think that you could probably run Windows 2003 and run CPRS GUI in terminal server sessions which can be tunneled over ssh, which I think you said is permitted. You can save money on the client since you wouldn't need to purchase new client PCs with Windows licenses. You can boot them and run Linux live CDs, wtih rdesktop (http://www.rdesktop.org), a Windows terminal server client that runs on Linux. That way, the client PCs can even be scrounged from the corporate yard sale (local disks are only needed for virtual memory paging). -- Bhaskar *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Not sure a VM on a *nix desktop will work - sounds like the problem is network level access between the servers and clients. A linux box would still have the same problem and the same level of access as a pure windows box. If tunneling is the option that linux gives you, there are options just like that for your windows machines as well. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS You believe you will find documentation for the non GUI version of CPRS in the www.va.gov/vdl web site right next to the CPRSGui documentation - CPRS List Managers Version is it I think. John Zimmer is a fan of the non-GUI interface as I recall. CPRSGui did not come into existance until the mid-90s to my knowledge, so you won't be much behind the times. I gather you have tried various VPNs, or do you have one already that isn't cooperating? How about Win4Lin, or VMWare run on Linux? The VMWare is $165 and I believe Win4Lin is $80. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's documentation. Everything is directed toward the administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying to learn what to do. What I'm trying to get done right now: * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection screen where he can view/edit patient info * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and having the provider log back in and select the same patient? * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or schedule visits for existing patients. If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back security headache of CPRS. -Shaun --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Community Call Notes - September24, 2004
I appreciate Bhaskars concern about another organization being developed. That said, as I stated in the call, there is no reason to fear/or fight over something that is still in discussions. The VistA Software Alliance, as it is being called currently will be a fee based membership organization. Those currently involved in the basic discussions already have pledged money to the organization for participation. Therefore, participation is based on membership fee paid - much like PMI or other trade organizations. This organization and the seeds of the discussion was spawned, much like most discussion in this community, out of the WV community meeting. There is no secret society here - just a number of doers wanting to create something specific to vendors needs. I've heard concerns other organization and individuals about being excluded. VSA is neither excluding or including organizations/individuals, but it has to start somewhere. The last thing I think we all want it to get mired in the details and create a still born organization. The basic organization will be created as a shell and then it can be molded to an organization worth participating in. I know This community wants its opinions included... But think back to how WV started... Was it 40+ individual/vendors all wanting to have say, or was it a couple of guys going off and creating WorldVistA. And it eventually after 3 years was built into a community that we have today. I will send out specifics in the near term as they evolve. As I've stated, there is nothing formal as of yet. -C _ Claudine Beron, PMP Project Manager HP Services Hewlett-Packard 301-918-5610 Phone 703-599-1203 Cell 301-918-5527 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hp.com _ PLEASE NOTE: This e-mail message may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact me immediately by e-mail or by telephone at (301) 918-5610 and delete the original message and any copies. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.S. Bhaskar Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Community Call Notes - September24, 2004 On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 13:41, Beron, Claudine wrote: [KSB] <...snip...> > There will also be panel discussion which include: > * Systems & Capacity Management > * OpenSource and VistA (Workshop/Panel) > * VistA Software Lifecycle I presume multiple panel discussions is meant? Also I thought that the panel discussion that I will be a part of (along with Roger Maduro of Medsphere, Terry Wiechmann of ESI, Joseph Dal Molin of e-Cology, and I think others) is on open source business models, not "OpenSource and VistA." Or is that somewhere else? On the call, I asked about the vendor organization that is being created by a small number of vendors (Claudine gave their names as HP, Perot Systems, DSS, Oleen, InterSystems Medsphere and several independent consultants was also discussed). I expressed unhappiness with the fact that this vendor group was being created out of sight of the community, especially after the words that had flown back and forth in the recent past about openness and transparency of process in creating and managing such organizations. I was especially disappointed that Fidelity (formerly Sanchez), which had been such an active participant in opening up VistA to the community as a whole for several years had not been included. Crawford Rainwater also expressed discomfort at having been left out. Others, including Joseph Dal Molin, added their comments to the discussion (and at this point, my notes run thin - others who were on the call, please add to this post). There was also discussion as to whether this group of vendors would create the organization and present it to the community as a fait accompli or whether the community could be involved in the creation of a vendor association. In conclusion, Claudine Beron polled the vendors in the group as to whether they wanted to participate, and they all said they did. Claudine promised to send out information on the VistA Software Association that is being created by these vendors. -- Bhaskar *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
I do not believe a text version is a viable option unless you are willing to live the version of VistA you implement and plan to not install any of the VistA patches that are released subsequent to that date. Also, you realize that the CPRS developers stopped putting enhancements and improvements into the ListManager version of CPRS (what you call the text version) several years ago. Again, if you are satisfied with the functionality of the old ListManager version then fine. But do not expect all the new features added to the CPRS GUI version to show up in the ListManager version. They won't. - Original Message - From: "CS Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS > I would be interested in looking at a text version of CPRS, but it is my > understanding that CPRS does not allow you to add patients. So, I will > still need to set up accounts in Vista for the clerks to SSH in and > easily add patients as well as add visits for existing patients. With a > text version of CPRS running through SSH, I can set that up as the > default shell for physicians and nurses - understanding that in many of > the smaller sites the nurse is also the clerk, so they will need to be > able to quit CPRS and quickly get into Vista to add patients. > -Shaun > > Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > > >There is a text version of the CPRS if you can connect > >to your server via telnet or ssh. Let me know if you > >are interested. Its probably not what people want > >right now. > > > > > >Kevin > > > > > >--- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>Our problem is that we have a firewall on our > >>network where the Vista > >>server is. The client side has a firewall also > >>where CPRS is. CPRS > >>requires a connection from the server to the client > >>on a randomly > >>generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to > >>basically remove the > >>entire client-side firewall. Sure, we can only > >>ports 5,000 and up, but > >>that's still a huge hole in the firewall. > >> > >>We tried the VPN route, but that led to yet another > >>issue. The server's > >>network does have VPN, but it is highly restricted. > >>There is a lot of > >>paperwork involved in getting an account set up. > >>Once done, we'd have > >>another problem - the client's computer won't be > >>able to use the > >>client-side network anymore. That means that they'd > >>have to have a CPRS > >>computer on VPN and a regular computer off the VPN > >>for everything else. > >> > >>As for tunneling on SSH, that would be the #1 > >>solution if CPRS ran well > >>on Linux. We could tunnel into the Vista server on > >>port 22 and display > >>the X-CPRS on the client's machine. We could also > >>upgrade CPRS easily > >>by only upgrading it on the server and not going > >>client to client. But, > >>the major dawback is getting CPRS to run on Linux > >>without paying out so > >>much money that we'd be better of buying some other > >>EMR system. > >> > >> -Shaun > >> > >>Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>What is the issue regarding your network > >>> > >>> > >>security...it will be good to > >> > >> > >>>know should others have a similar setup? > >>> > >>>And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN > >>> > >>> > >>and tunneling...?? > >> > >> > >>>Joseph > >>> > >>>On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with > > > >>our network security. > >> > >> > Is it possible to effectively use Vista without > > > >>CPRS? I can easily set > >> > >> > up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts > > > >>when the login. I > >> > >> > assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will > > > >>change what they see > >> > >> > once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to > > > >>give the different > >> > >> > people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also > > > >>haven't found user's > >> > >> > documentation. Everything is directed toward the > administrator/programmer, not the average user. > > > >>So, I'm afraid I'll > >> > >> > have to set aside a lot of time to write > > > >>documentation while I'm trying > >> > >> > to learn what to do. > > What I'm trying to get done right now: > * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a > > > >>patient selection > >> > >> > screen where he can view/edit patient info > * Give nurses the same menu - is there any > > > >>function for a nurse to > >> > >> > hand-off the patient to a provider without having > > > >>the nurse log off and > >> > >> > having the provider log back in and select the > > > >>same patient? > >> > >> > * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a > > > >>screen to add patients or > >> > >> >
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
For the price and setup of that - Terminal Server licenses may be in the same range as well. Not sure. And if you do go with VMs, use Win 98 as it doesn't eat as much away from the host. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.S. Bhaskar Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Shaun -- Here is an alternative proposal. On the VistA server machine, or better yet, on another PC inside the server firewall, run VMWare. For every user that wants to run the CPRS GUI, fire up a Windows guest within which the CPRS GUI will run. This Windows guest will run a TightVNC (http://tightvnc.com/) server. The client will run a TightVNC client (there are native VNC clients, clients in Java, clients that run in browsers, clients for just about every operating system) which will tunnel through the firewalls (and which can be carried over an ssh connection). VNC can also be made very secure. One benefit of this is that the server session doesn't go away (unless the server goes down). So, if the network connection is lost, a client can reconnect to the session. A session can be left running while a client changes from one location to another - simply terminating the client, going to the new location, and starting a new client to connect to the server will to the trick. The down side is that the server will need a lot of memory, and some decent CPU. But computers are getting cheaper all the time, and it doesn't need to be a high end machine or need high end IO - i.e., Walmart PCs will to the trick as long as they have enough RAM. -- Bhaskar On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 11:28, CS Wagner wrote: > Our problem is that we have a firewall on our network where the Vista > server is. The client side has a firewall also where CPRS is. CPRS > requires a connection from the server to the client on a randomly > generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to basically remove the > entire client-side firewall. Sure, we can only ports 5,000 and up, but > that's still a huge hole in the firewall. > > We tried the VPN route, but that led to yet another issue. The server's > network does have VPN, but it is highly restricted. There is a lot of > paperwork involved in getting an account set up. Once done, we'd have > another problem - the client's computer won't be able to use the > client-side network anymore. That means that they'd have to have a CPRS > computer on VPN and a regular computer off the VPN for everything else. > > As for tunneling on SSH, that would be the #1 solution if CPRS ran well > on Linux. We could tunnel into the Vista server on port 22 and display > the X-CPRS on the client's machine. We could also upgrade CPRS easily > by only upgrading it on the server and not going client to client. But, > the major dawback is getting CPRS to run on Linux without paying out so > much money that we'd be better of buying some other EMR system. > > -Shaun > > Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > >What is the issue regarding your network security...it will be good to > >know should others have a similar setup? > > > >And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN and tunneling...?? > > > >Joseph > > > >On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. > >>Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set > >>up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I > >>assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see > >>once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different > >>people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's > >>documentation. Everything is directed toward the > >>administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll > >>have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying > >>to learn what to do. > >> > >>What I'm trying to get done right now: > >> * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection > >>screen where he can view/edit patient info > >> * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to > >>hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and > >>having the provider log back in and select the same patient? > >> * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or > >>schedule visits for existing patients. > >> > >>If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making > >>graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or > >>Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back > >>security headache of CPRS. > >> > >> -Shaun > >> > >> > >>--- > >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 > >>Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
That is great. I'll get the non-gui version and see how that flies. As for the VPNs, I don't have a choice there. The hospital only allows their VPN to be used. They monitor the network for rogue VPN activity and shut down the ports of any VPN listeners. If I were to set up my own VPN on the Vista server, it would only take a day or so before the MAC address was banned from the network. As for VMWare et al, that is not allowed with this project. I had to fight a major uphill battle to get them to allow purchasing Windows to run the GUI version of CPRS. The initial project plan requested a free OS for both the server and clients. After proving that it would cost way too much to get CPRS to run on Linux, they caved on the fact that purchasing new client PCs will include the Windows OS - so it isn't really an added expense. -Shaun Nancy Anthracite wrote: You believe you will find documentation for the non GUI version of CPRS in the www.va.gov/vdl web site right next to the CPRSGui documentation - CPRS List Managers Version is it I think. John Zimmer is a fan of the non-GUI interface as I recall. CPRSGui did not come into existance until the mid-90s to my knowledge, so you won't be much behind the times. I gather you have tried various VPNs, or do you have one already that isn't cooperating? How about Win4Lin, or VMWare run on Linux? The VMWare is $165 and I believe Win4Lin is $80. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's documentation. Everything is directed toward the administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying to learn what to do. What I'm trying to get done right now: * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection screen where he can view/edit patient info * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and having the provider log back in and select the same patient? * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or schedule visits for existing patients. If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back security headache of CPRS. -Shaun --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
You believe you will find documentation for the non GUI version of CPRS in the www.va.gov/vdl web site right next to the CPRSGui documentation - CPRS List Managers Version is it I think. John Zimmer is a fan of the non-GUI interface as I recall. CPRSGui did not come into existance until the mid-90s to my knowledge, so you won't be much behind the times. I gather you have tried various VPNs, or do you have one already that isn't cooperating? How about Win4Lin, or VMWare run on Linux? The VMWare is $165 and I believe Win4Lin is $80. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's documentation. Everything is directed toward the administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying to learn what to do. What I'm trying to get done right now: * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection screen where he can view/edit patient info * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and having the provider log back in and select the same patient? * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or schedule visits for existing patients. If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back security headache of CPRS. -Shaun --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Community Call Notes - September24, 2004
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 13:41, Beron, Claudine wrote: [KSB] <...snip...> > There will also be panel discussion which include: > * Systems & Capacity Management > * OpenSource and VistA (Workshop/Panel) > * VistA Software Lifecycle I presume multiple panel discussions is meant? Also I thought that the panel discussion that I will be a part of (along with Roger Maduro of Medsphere, Terry Wiechmann of ESI, Joseph Dal Molin of e-Cology, and I think others) is on open source business models, not "OpenSource and VistA." Or is that somewhere else? On the call, I asked about the vendor organization that is being created by a small number of vendors (Claudine gave their names as HP, Perot Systems, DSS, Oleen, InterSystems Medsphere and several independent consultants was also discussed). I expressed unhappiness with the fact that this vendor group was being created out of sight of the community, especially after the words that had flown back and forth in the recent past about openness and transparency of process in creating and managing such organizations. I was especially disappointed that Fidelity (formerly Sanchez), which had been such an active participant in opening up VistA to the community as a whole for several years had not been included. Crawford Rainwater also expressed discomfort at having been left out. Others, including Joseph Dal Molin, added their comments to the discussion (and at this point, my notes run thin - others who were on the call, please add to this post). There was also discussion as to whether this group of vendors would create the organization and present it to the community as a fait accompli or whether the community could be involved in the creation of a vendor association. In conclusion, Claudine Beron polled the vendors in the group as to whether they wanted to participate, and they all said they did. Claudine promised to send out information on the VistA Software Association that is being created by these vendors. -- Bhaskar *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Shaun -- Here is an alternative proposal. On the VistA server machine, or better yet, on another PC inside the server firewall, run VMWare. For every user that wants to run the CPRS GUI, fire up a Windows guest within which the CPRS GUI will run. This Windows guest will run a TightVNC (http://tightvnc.com/) server. The client will run a TightVNC client (there are native VNC clients, clients in Java, clients that run in browsers, clients for just about every operating system) which will tunnel through the firewalls (and which can be carried over an ssh connection). VNC can also be made very secure. One benefit of this is that the server session doesn't go away (unless the server goes down). So, if the network connection is lost, a client can reconnect to the session. A session can be left running while a client changes from one location to another - simply terminating the client, going to the new location, and starting a new client to connect to the server will to the trick. The down side is that the server will need a lot of memory, and some decent CPU. But computers are getting cheaper all the time, and it doesn't need to be a high end machine or need high end IO - i.e., Walmart PCs will to the trick as long as they have enough RAM. -- Bhaskar On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 11:28, CS Wagner wrote: > Our problem is that we have a firewall on our network where the Vista > server is. The client side has a firewall also where CPRS is. CPRS > requires a connection from the server to the client on a randomly > generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to basically remove the > entire client-side firewall. Sure, we can only ports 5,000 and up, but > that's still a huge hole in the firewall. > > We tried the VPN route, but that led to yet another issue. The server's > network does have VPN, but it is highly restricted. There is a lot of > paperwork involved in getting an account set up. Once done, we'd have > another problem - the client's computer won't be able to use the > client-side network anymore. That means that they'd have to have a CPRS > computer on VPN and a regular computer off the VPN for everything else. > > As for tunneling on SSH, that would be the #1 solution if CPRS ran well > on Linux. We could tunnel into the Vista server on port 22 and display > the X-CPRS on the client's machine. We could also upgrade CPRS easily > by only upgrading it on the server and not going client to client. But, > the major dawback is getting CPRS to run on Linux without paying out so > much money that we'd be better of buying some other EMR system. > > -Shaun > > Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > >What is the issue regarding your network security...it will be good to > >know should others have a similar setup? > > > >And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN and tunneling...?? > > > >Joseph > > > >On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. > >>Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set > >>up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I > >>assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see > >>once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different > >>people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's > >>documentation. Everything is directed toward the > >>administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll > >>have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying > >>to learn what to do. > >> > >>What I'm trying to get done right now: > >> * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection > >>screen where he can view/edit patient info > >> * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to > >>hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and > >>having the provider log back in and select the same patient? > >> * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or > >>schedule visits for existing patients. > >> > >>If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making > >>graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or > >>Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back > >>security headache of CPRS. > >> > >> -Shaun > >> > >> > >>--- > >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 > >>Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on > >>who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. > >>Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > >>___ > >>Hardhats-members mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >--
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
You have at least two more options depending on your resources (but it sounds like your fighting against your IT group on this one). Many hospitals use Terminal Services so that you can basically access a server's desktop (for use by end users - no server end tools) and then host the application on the server. That way you invest in your server and not in all the clients. It has the added benefit of only needing ONE PORT outbound to the server. Another option is still VPN. I use MS-VPN but this works with Cisco and Firewall-1 (used them before)... Setup a VPN server on the VistA box (or in the same subnet). Setup a VPN connection from the client and deselect "Use default gateway" in the TCP/IP advanced options. This is what happens: Normal VPN with "use default gateway" checked You (192.168.0.*) | | VPN Client (10.0.0.2) - this is the IP the VPN server gives you | | VPN Server (10.0.1.3) - this is the VPN server on the internal network | | Server (10.0.2.4) - whatever you're trying to reach Normally in a VPN, ALL YOUR TRAFFIC is sent up thru the client, to the VPN Server, and out to whatever you're trying to access. So in this case, your VPN Server (10.0.1.3) knows that in order to get access to the Server (10.0.2.4) it has to use its routing table. Same with access to all other IPs like the Internet. This makes sense because the Client, Server and the VPN Server have to go thru a routing table to reach each other (a router or gateway in that network). IF the VPN Server and Server you're trying to reach are all in the same range, then you can ignore the default route. Modified VPN with "use default gateway" unchecked You (192.168.0.*) | | VPN Client (10.0.0.2) - this is the IP the VPN server gives you | | VPN Server (10.0.0.1) - this is the VPN server on the internal network | | Server (10.0.0.254) - whatever you're trying to reach Now everyone in the same range. When the client needs to access anything 10.0.0.*, well - it has an IP in that range so it'll just go access it. Otherwise it'll use ITS OWN DEFAULT ROUTE which will let you access all your local clients and Internet. So if you have to hit 10.0.0.254, you'll use your 10.0.0.2 address. If you want to use google.com, it WON'T go thru the VPN client/server route because that's not the default, it'll instead use whatever you had before. Hope that makes sense - your basically messing with the routing table by configuration and without having to do anything manually. Of course, you can always mess with the routing table manually using the ROUTE command. Also wondering... What kinda local firewall are you using that doesn't allow access in the manner that you need? Most firewalls (ever SP2's Windows Firewall) allow you to open up: > A specific application > A specific or range of ports > And a scope - can the named application or port be accessible to just one IP, my subnet, a netmask, or everything. You should be able to say clients can take input from said IP address on all ports and the server can accept input on all ports from said clients. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS Our problem is that we have a firewall on our network where the Vista server is. The client side has a firewall also where CPRS is. CPRS requires a connection from the server to the client on a randomly generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to basically remove the entire client-side firewall. Sure, we can only ports 5,000 and up, but that's still a huge hole in the firewall. We tried the VPN route, but that led to yet another issue. The server's network does have VPN, but it is highly restricted. There is a lot of paperwork involved in getting an account set up. Once done, we'd have another problem - the client's computer won't be able to use the client-side network anymore. That means that they'd have to have a CPRS computer on VPN and a regular computer off the VPN for everything else. As for tunneling on SSH, that would be the #1 solution if CPRS ran well on Linux. We could tunnel into the Vista server on port 22 and display the X-CPRS on the client's machine. We could also upgrade CPRS easily by only upgrading it on the server and not going client to client. But, the major dawback is getting CPRS to run on Linux without paying out so much money that we'd be better of buying some other EMR system. -Shaun Joseph Dal Molin wrote: >What is the issue regarding your network security...it will be good to >know should others have a similar setup? > >And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN and tunneling...?? > >Joseph > >On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. >>Is it possible to effectively use Vista without
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
I would be interested in looking at a text version of CPRS, but it is my understanding that CPRS does not allow you to add patients. So, I will still need to set up accounts in Vista for the clerks to SSH in and easily add patients as well as add visits for existing patients. With a text version of CPRS running through SSH, I can set that up as the default shell for physicians and nurses - understanding that in many of the smaller sites the nurse is also the clerk, so they will need to be able to quit CPRS and quickly get into Vista to add patients. -Shaun Kevin Toppenberg wrote: There is a text version of the CPRS if you can connect to your server via telnet or ssh. Let me know if you are interested. Its probably not what people want right now. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Our problem is that we have a firewall on our network where the Vista server is. The client side has a firewall also where CPRS is. CPRS requires a connection from the server to the client on a randomly generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to basically remove the entire client-side firewall. Sure, we can only ports 5,000 and up, but that's still a huge hole in the firewall. We tried the VPN route, but that led to yet another issue. The server's network does have VPN, but it is highly restricted. There is a lot of paperwork involved in getting an account set up. Once done, we'd have another problem - the client's computer won't be able to use the client-side network anymore. That means that they'd have to have a CPRS computer on VPN and a regular computer off the VPN for everything else. As for tunneling on SSH, that would be the #1 solution if CPRS ran well on Linux. We could tunnel into the Vista server on port 22 and display the X-CPRS on the client's machine. We could also upgrade CPRS easily by only upgrading it on the server and not going client to client. But, the major dawback is getting CPRS to run on Linux without paying out so much money that we'd be better of buying some other EMR system. -Shaun Joseph Dal Molin wrote: What is the issue regarding your network security...it will be good to know should others have a similar setup? And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN and tunneling...?? Joseph On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's documentation. Everything is directed toward the administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying to learn what to do. What I'm trying to get done right now: * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection screen where he can view/edit patient info * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and having the provider log back in and select the same patient? * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or schedule visits for existing patients. If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back security headache of CPRS. -Shaun --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Hardhats-members] RE: VistA Community Call Notes - September 24, 2004
VistA Community Call Notes 1-866-639-4718 Access 9185610 September 24, 2003 Attendees: Maury Pepper Joseph Dal Molin David Whitten Chris Richardson Rodney Kay Crawford Rainwater Tom Stelter Dee Knapp Tom Akerman Phyllis Orr Rober Witkop K.S. Bhaskar Brian Lord Gordon Morsehead Summer Chase Mark ? Mike ? Internationalization - Francais Continuing to look for volunteers on this effort. There is a lot to translate and we'll need to work together to get this done in a reasonable amount of time. Translation of VA specific information is not being done as it is not applicable. Currently there are 6 dialog txt files with over 22K lines of phrases to be translated. I and 2 others are working on this effort. If you can help or know someone who can help in the translations, please contact me at 703-599-1203. Action Item: Claudine will continue to coordinate and update community as translations are completed. VistA Community Meeting Planning Maury updated the group about Oct 21-24 meeting in Greenbelt, MD. Currently we at 35 registered participants for the meeting. Please see http://www.worldvista.org/meetings/2004-10-greenbelt/greenbelt-04-reg-fo rm.html if you have not registered. The 2 hour Training Session Topics have not been updated from last call. Currently they include: * Essential VistA APIs, presented by Rick Marshall * VistA Coding Techniques, presented by Rick Marshall * CPRS Demo & Overview, presented by Ross Flecher/Joseph Dal Molin * VistA Business & Project Management, presented by Claudine Beron * Web Interface for VistA presented by Bob Miller * Train the Trainer for Vista, presented by Rodney Kay (projector needed) * Learning about OpenForum and VistA, presented by David Whitten (Internet needed) * Unification of Code Base among EHRs, presented by Rick Marshall/Maury Pepper Those of you presenting, please let Claudine know by October 13, if you will require internet access during your presentations for logistics reasons. There will also be panel discussion which include: * Systems & Capacity Management * OpenSource and VistA (Workshop/Panel) * VistA Software Lifecycle WorldVistA Organization -- Subjects for discussion will include: * Continued work on Organization Plan * International component * Transition Planning * Planning for 2005 Conferences * Coordination with VSA and other groups Special Sessions -- Current sessions include: * Vista International Day Forum (see below) Oct 20th * VistA History, presented by Marty Johnson * CMS (TBD) Information on the VistA Community Meeting can be found at the WorldVistA website at http://www.worldvista.org/meetings/2004-10-greenbelt/index.html Action Item1: Anyone interested in participating in the Oct 21-24 meeting, please register at: http://www.worldvista.org/meetings/2004-10-greenbelt/greenbelt-04-reg-fo rm.html Action Item2: WorldVistA to put up classes on website to determine interest in classes Action Item3: Call for volunteers to train/facilitate/participate in panel discussions during the conference. Action Item4: Room sharing - call for anyone who lives in the DC area and willing to house someone during the conference. WorldVistA provides a Yahoo groups page for discussion. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vista-meetings/ International Day Forum Joseph talked about the international advisor group. Planning is going well. Action Item: Rick/Joseph to provide Agenda and participants to host no later than Oct 13th. OpenForum David Whitten/Chris Richardson updated the group on OpenForum website. Should be up in the next week or so. Great opportunity for the community to work together on VistA development. Next Meeting: October 1, 2004 Call 1-866-639-4718 Access 9185610 All welcome to participate Agenda items should be sent to Claudine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Claudine Beron, PMP Project Manager HP Services Hewlett-Packard 301-918-5610 Phone 703-599-1203 Cell 301-918-5527 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hp.com _ PLEASE NOTE: This e-mail message may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact me immediately by e-mail or by telephone at (301) 918-5610 and delete the original message and any copies. Thank you. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
There is a text version of the CPRS if you can connect to your server via telnet or ssh. Let me know if you are interested. Its probably not what people want right now. Kevin --- CS Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our problem is that we have a firewall on our > network where the Vista > server is. The client side has a firewall also > where CPRS is. CPRS > requires a connection from the server to the client > on a randomly > generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to > basically remove the > entire client-side firewall. Sure, we can only > ports 5,000 and up, but > that's still a huge hole in the firewall. > > We tried the VPN route, but that led to yet another > issue. The server's > network does have VPN, but it is highly restricted. > There is a lot of > paperwork involved in getting an account set up. > Once done, we'd have > another problem - the client's computer won't be > able to use the > client-side network anymore. That means that they'd > have to have a CPRS > computer on VPN and a regular computer off the VPN > for everything else. > > As for tunneling on SSH, that would be the #1 > solution if CPRS ran well > on Linux. We could tunnel into the Vista server on > port 22 and display > the X-CPRS on the client's machine. We could also > upgrade CPRS easily > by only upgrading it on the server and not going > client to client. But, > the major dawback is getting CPRS to run on Linux > without paying out so > much money that we'd be better of buying some other > EMR system. > > -Shaun > > Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > >What is the issue regarding your network > security...it will be good to > >know should others have a similar setup? > > > >And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN > and tunneling...?? > > > >Joseph > > > >On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: > > > > > >>It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with > our network security. > >>Is it possible to effectively use Vista without > CPRS? I can easily set > >>up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts > when the login. I > >>assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will > change what they see > >>once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to > give the different > >>people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also > haven't found user's > >>documentation. Everything is directed toward the > >>administrator/programmer, not the average user. > So, I'm afraid I'll > >>have to set aside a lot of time to write > documentation while I'm trying > >>to learn what to do. > >> > >>What I'm trying to get done right now: > >> * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a > patient selection > >>screen where he can view/edit patient info > >> * Give nurses the same menu - is there any > function for a nurse to > >>hand-off the patient to a provider without having > the nurse log off and > >>having the provider log back in and select the > same patient? > >> * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a > screen to add patients or > >>schedule visits for existing patients. > >> > >>If I can get to that point, my history has > included years of making > >>graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written > in Cobol and/or > >>Ada). I will be able to do the same for this > without the loop-back > >>security headache of CPRS. > >> > >> -Shaun > >> > >> > >>--- > >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > >>Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > for your judgement on > >>who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > >>Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > >>___ > >>Hardhats-members mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >--- > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE > JUDGE. Be one of 170 > >Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > for your judgement on > >who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > >Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > >___ > >Hardhats-members mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > > > > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. > Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE > for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. > Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: > http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > _
RE: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Shaun, You probably do not have to take such drastic measures. Call me at 801-474-1600 ext. 227 Gordon Moreshead -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CS Wagner Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's documentation. Everything is directed toward the administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying to learn what to do. What I'm trying to get done right now: * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection screen where he can view/edit patient info * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and having the provider log back in and select the same patient? * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or schedule visits for existing patients. If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back security headache of CPRS. -Shaun --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.766 / Virus Database: 513 - Release Date: 9/17/2004 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
Our problem is that we have a firewall on our network where the Vista server is. The client side has a firewall also where CPRS is. CPRS requires a connection from the server to the client on a randomly generated port. To allow for that, we'd have to basically remove the entire client-side firewall. Sure, we can only ports 5,000 and up, but that's still a huge hole in the firewall. We tried the VPN route, but that led to yet another issue. The server's network does have VPN, but it is highly restricted. There is a lot of paperwork involved in getting an account set up. Once done, we'd have another problem - the client's computer won't be able to use the client-side network anymore. That means that they'd have to have a CPRS computer on VPN and a regular computer off the VPN for everything else. As for tunneling on SSH, that would be the #1 solution if CPRS ran well on Linux. We could tunnel into the Vista server on port 22 and display the X-CPRS on the client's machine. We could also upgrade CPRS easily by only upgrading it on the server and not going client to client. But, the major dawback is getting CPRS to run on Linux without paying out so much money that we'd be better of buying some other EMR system. -Shaun Joseph Dal Molin wrote: What is the issue regarding your network security...it will be good to know should others have a similar setup? And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN and tunneling...?? Joseph On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's documentation. Everything is directed toward the administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying to learn what to do. What I'm trying to get done right now: * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection screen where he can view/edit patient info * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and having the provider log back in and select the same patient? * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or schedule visits for existing patients. If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back security headache of CPRS. -Shaun --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
What is the issue regarding your network security...it will be good to know should others have a similar setup? And dumb question...did you try setting up a VPN and tunneling...?? Joseph On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 10:32, CS Wagner wrote: > It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. > Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set > up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I > assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see > once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different > people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's > documentation. Everything is directed toward the > administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll > have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying > to learn what to do. > > What I'm trying to get done right now: > * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection > screen where he can view/edit patient info > * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to > hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and > having the provider log back in and select the same patient? > * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or > schedule visits for existing patients. > > If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making > graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or > Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back > security headache of CPRS. > > -Shaun > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Vista without CPRS
It is becoming clear that we cannot use CPRS with our network security. Is it possible to effectively use Vista without CPRS? I can easily set up SSH accounts for each user so that gtm starts when the login. I assume that setting the primary menu in Vista will change what they see once gtm starts. I just don't know what menus to give the different people (nurses, providers, clerks...). I also haven't found user's documentation. Everything is directed toward the administrator/programmer, not the average user. So, I'm afraid I'll have to set aside a lot of time to write documentation while I'm trying to learn what to do. What I'm trying to get done right now: * Have a provider SSH in and immediately get to a patient selection screen where he can view/edit patient info * Give nurses the same menu - is there any function for a nurse to hand-off the patient to a provider without having the nurse log off and having the provider log back in and select the same patient? * Have clerks SSH in and immediately get to a screen to add patients or schedule visits for existing patients. If I can get to that point, my history has included years of making graphical front-ends for telnet/ssh menus (written in Cobol and/or Ada). I will be able to do the same for this without the loop-back security headache of CPRS. -Shaun --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VT100 web site
You can also throw multiple video cards in unused PCI/ISA slots on your PC, and attach a monitor to each one. Throw in some USB keyboards and mice, and you have a computer system that can run Gnome/KDE (or other X window manager) for multiple concurrent users. You will have to fiddle /etc/X11/XF86Config to get it right, and you may need to do some switching around to get the keyboards and mice associated with the right monitor, but this is supposed to work quite well. Schools in Africa that can't afford a PC for each student apparently do this quite often with Linux. A typical PC has more than enough CPU, RAM and disk to handle multiple browsers, office applications, etc. It's only when you get to gaming, CAD, etc. that you need to dedicate a PC to a user. Caveat: I have not tried this myself. However, the next time we think we need a new PC at home, I plan to try this. -- Bhaskar On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 09:32, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > Back to the future??? > > Thinking out loud. Interesting sitemakes one wonder what it would > cost to build a terminal today, $50 ?, and whether the stage is set for > a resurgence in some application areas given their simplicity and > reliability etc. PC's are overkill in many hospital departments. In fact > I would rather buy one decent server for home, rather than maintain the > 3 pc's we use now and have some nice quiet flat panel x-terminals on the > desktop. > > J. *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] VT100 web site
Back to the future??? Thinking out loud. Interesting sitemakes one wonder what it would cost to build a terminal today, $50 ?, and whether the stage is set for a resurgence in some application areas given their simplicity and reliability etc. PC's are overkill in many hospital departments. In fact I would rather buy one decent server for home, rather than maintain the 3 pc's we use now and have some nice quiet flat panel x-terminals on the desktop. J. On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 09:22, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: > Users of VistA / MUMPS, as well as nostalgia buffs, may find > http://vt100.net informative. > > -- Bhaskar > > *** > This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged > information intended only for the person(s) named. > Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly > prohibited. > *** > > NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) > ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou > dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce > message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner > immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. > > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > ___ > Hardhats-members mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] VT100 web site
Users of VistA / MUMPS, as well as nostalgia buffs, may find http://vt100.net informative. -- Bhaskar *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] GTM/Mumps string length limitation for Xdialog
When working with the Xdialog file, I have run up against the limitation of string length. The Xdialog command expects all the data for the dialog to follow as command-line options. When building up dialog with a list of options etc, it doesn't take much to get 250+ characters. Suprisingly, I seemed to get the error when I called zsystem rather than when I created the string.. Is there any to get around this? Perhaps Linux allows the command-line parameters to be sent to a command via a pipe etc? Thanks Kevin __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. Deadline: Sept. 24. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
