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Are the individual pieces that have the staining problem larger than the rest of the pieces in the same block? What type of tissue is this happening with? Is it happening with tissues that are coming from one particular account? It seems that if the staining issue is not across the board with all your tissues or even with tissue pieces in the same block, than you need to look at some of the above questions. Tissue such as a skin tag may seem small enough for a bx run, but in reality, tissue like this is sort of like a basketball The tough outer skin does not allow for the processing solutions to pass through easily and penetrate as it should. Even a large skin tag or colon polyp that is bisected may have this happen on those pieces that are like half a basketball...solutions get trapped inside, but cannot penetrate pass the outer shell. And so these pieces end up improperly processed. Or, if this is happening with a particular account, could something have changed there..new pe rsonnel that may not know the importance of proper fixation, and are individual tissue pieces drying out before being placed into the fixative? You mentioned Alaska, could any of these possibly have become frozen or partially frozen in transport? good luck AmySue R. __ The contents of this message may contain private, protected and/or privileged information. If you received this message in error, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained within. Please contact the sender and advise of the erroneous delivery by return e-mail or telephone. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] How many tissues an histotech is suppose to cut per hour?
I would like to know how many tissues does a experienced histotech is suppose to cut per hour (routine h&e slides) in the microtome. I am a new histotech and I would like to know how much tissue do an experienced histotech cuts per hour. For example if you have 100 tissues per total in how many hours are you suppose to cut this tissue? or.tell me how much you cut at your lab. Do you have any suggestions on how to cut faster? Thank You. Thanks ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Histology & Cytology Manager opportunity, south of Boston
Brine Group is conducting a search for a talented Histology/Cytology professional for the following leadership role: Pathology Manager (Histology & Cytology) Magnet community hospital south of Boston scoring above state, regional, and national averages in overall patient satisfaction Press-Ganey's scores has an opening for a Pathology Manager to oversee the technical & clinical aspects of a 21-person department including Histology, Surgical Pathology, Cytology and Support Services. Qualifications: * Minimum Associate's Degree in Biological Science or equivalent educational/technical training as a Histology Technician preferred (bachelor's preferred) * Minimum five (5) years progressive experience as a Histotechnologist. * Minimum two (2) years experience as a Histology Supervisor. * HTL or HT (ASCP) certification required. If this position describes you or someone you know, please contact Melissa Ribeiro Passos for additional information - 781.272.3400 ext.228 / mribe...@brinegroup.com If you are currently working with another Brine Group consultant, please feel free to contact him/her directly. Melissa Ribeiro Passos Partner Brine Group Staffing Solutions Healthcare Division 20 Mall Road, Suite 225 Burlington, MA 01803 mribe...@brinegroup.com Ph. (781) 272-3400 ext. 228 Cell (978) 397-4300 Fax (781) 494-3401 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] (no subject)
Hi, We are going to be doing a special project on a rooster with a large puss pocket under the epiglottis/esophagus-trachea area, about an inch long. The question I have, is there a need to decalcify this area to facilitate longitudinal sectioning? If so are there any recommendations on decal times and types of decal to use? We have never worked with fowl before so any help would be appreciated. Thanks Cody This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary, privileged and/or private information. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity designated above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately, and delete the message and any attachments. Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this message or any attachments by an individual or entity other than the intended recipient is prohibited. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] job openings
If you're looking for a friendly environment, a new state-of-the-art LEED certified facility and an employer of choice, SPL is the place for you!! We are currently looking for qualified Histotechnicians/Histotechnologists and Lab Aides! Histo candidates should be an HTL or HT (ASCP) or equivalent. Primary responsibilities include on-site frozen sections including mobile laboratory units. SPL is CAP accredited, offers competitive pay, a comprehensive benefits package. SPL pays 100% of employee premiums for Medical, Dental, LTD and Life. We also offer Retirement Plan & Supplemental Insurance. Please forward resume to Tammy de Leon ta...@surgicalpathlabs.com Surgical Pathology Laboratory 800-304-1066 8455 66th Street N Pinellas Park, Florida 33781 www.surgicalpathlabs.com ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
I think that if vendors contribute to a Histonet discussion, they should certainly let it be known that they're a vendor, and also who they work for. We need to be aware that their comments and opinions have a bias. Jan Shivers Senior Scientist Histology/IHC/EM Section Head Pathology Teaching Program University of Minnesota Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory 1333 Gortner Ave. St. Paul, MN 55108 612-624-7297 shive...@umn.edu (Confidentiality Notice: This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this message in error, please advise the sender and then delete this message and any attachments immediately.) - Original Message - From: "Mahoney,Janice A" To: "'Rathborne, Toni'" ; "Jesus Ellin" ; "Michael Mihalik" ; "CHRISTIE GOWAN" ; ; Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Sorry for the misunderstanding. Jan -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:49 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I did not mean to imply that he should not have stated that he is a competitor, only that he leave off the last few lines which included a phone number and his employer. -Original Message- From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:janice.maho...@alegent.org] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:10 PM To: Rathborne, Toni; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions So you suggest that vendors pretend to be users by not stating who they are? I don't get it? I do not mean to be argumentative, I REALLY do not see how we are allowing this. Jan -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:03 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Jan -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:49 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I did not mean to imply that he should not have stated that he is a competitor, only that he leave off the last few lines which included a phone number and his employer. -Original Message- From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:janice.maho...@alegent.org] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:10 PM To: Rathborne, Toni; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions So you suggest that vendors pretend to be users by not stating who they are? I don't get it? I do not mean to be argumentative, I REALLY do not see how we are allowing this. Jan -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:03 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
I did not mean to imply that he should not have stated that he is a competitor, only that he leave off the last few lines which included a phone number and his employer. -Original Message- From: Mahoney,Janice A [mailto:janice.maho...@alegent.org] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:10 PM To: Rathborne, Toni; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions So you suggest that vendors pretend to be users by not stating who they are? I don't get it? I do not mean to be argumentative, I REALLY do not see how we are allowing this. Jan -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:03 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their sl
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
I am coming from the stand point of an informed decision, there are a lot of other products out there other than a Vantage,, but it is the one with the most visibility currently. I do agree that Vendors do need to be neutral when giving perspective. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:10 AM To: 'Rathborne, Toni'; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIEGOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions So you suggest that vendors pretend to be users by not stating who they are? I don't get it? I do not mean to be argumentative, I REALLY do not see how we are allowing this. Jan -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:03 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don
Re: RE: [Histonet] parts for CV5030 glass coverslipper
I'm not looking for repair parts. Just a place to order the filters that must be changed frequently. Sometimes, Fisher or VWR sell these type of consumables for Histo equipment. >>> Victoria Baker 2/28/2011 12:26 PM >>> Have you tried contacting Belair Instruments? I believe they are located in Fanwood NJ. Angie if you get a chance contact me off server :-). On Feb 28, 2011 11:04 AM, "Sherwood, Margaret" wrote: > We have a refurbished CV5030 coverslipper and we ordered directly from Leica. > If someone knows of anyone else who sells the parts/supplies, I would also be > interested. > > -Original Message- > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Angela Bitting > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:55 AM > To: histonet > Subject: [Histonet] parts for CV5030 glass coverslipper > > Does anyone know if you can buy these from someone else besides Leica? My > Fisher > rep never got back to me. > > > Angela Bitting, HT(ASCP), QIHC > Technical Specialist, Histology > Geisinger Medical Center > 100 N Academy Ave. MC 23-00 > Danville, PA 17822 > phone 570-214-9634 > fax 570-271-5916 > > No trees were hurt in the sending of this email > However many electrons were severly inconvienienced! > > > IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached > to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended > solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is > unauthorized. > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution > or > any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and > may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all > electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), > destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by > replying to this email. Thank you. > > > The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is > addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail > contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine > at > http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in > error > but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and > properly > dispose of the e-mail. > > > ___ > Histonet mailing list > Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
I agree he should have left it off. However; we looked at Vantage and the cost for the interfaces and upgrades to be able to use it fully were very significant for us. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Rathborne, Toni Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:03 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their slide, slide X and Vantage calls it 'y'. For instance, maybe IMPAC calls it case#.spnid.blockid.slideid and maybe Vantage calls it slideidNN. That means whenever the pathologist scans the slide at his IMPAC workstation, IMPAC won't recognize it. Perhaps this is not an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. 5. Management Reports: I know IMPAC supports Crystal Reports and at least theor
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So you suggest that vendors pretend to be users by not stating who they are? I don't get it? I do not mean to be argumentative, I REALLY do not see how we are allowing this. Jan -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:03 PM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their slide, slide X and Vantage calls it 'y'. For instance, maybe IMPAC calls it case#.spnid.blockid.slideid and maybe Vantage calls it slideidNN. That means whenever the pathologist scans the slide at his IMPAC workstation, IMPAC won't recognize it. Perhaps this is not an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. 5. Management Reports: I know IMPAC supports Crystal Reports and at least theoretically you can build your own management reports. I don't what the situation with
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
Vendor's, whether we like it or not are going to monitor areas where we are expressing ideas and concerns. This cuts down on the need to do studies and customer data mining. I to think that vendors need to stay neutral, but the email clearly has a disclaimer,, so I think enough said on this one. -Original Message- From: Rathborne, Toni [mailto:trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:03 AM To: Mahoney,Janice A; Jesus Ellin; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their slide, slide X and Vantage calls it 'y'. For instance, maybe IMPAC calls it case#.spnid.blockid.slideid and maybe Vantage calls it slideidNN. That means whenever the pathologist scans the slide at his IMPAC workstation, IMPAC won't recognize it. Perhaps this is not an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. 5. Management Reports: I know IMPAC supports Crystal Repor
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
I can say that I appreciated Michael's comments, but also think that he should have left his contact information and the company he represents off of the email. If anyone would have been interested in replying to him privately, they still could have done so. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu]On Behalf Of Mahoney,Janice A Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:56 PM To: 'Jesus Ellin'; Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their slide, slide X and Vantage calls it 'y'. For instance, maybe IMPAC calls it case#.spnid.blockid.slideid and maybe Vantage calls it slideidNN. That means whenever the pathologist scans the slide at his IMPAC workstation, IMPAC won't recognize it. Perhaps this is not an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. 5. Management Reports: I know IMPAC supports Crystal Reports and at least theoretically you can build your own management reports. I don't what the situation with Vantage is. Are they canned reports or can you add more? Does this matter to you? I don't know enough about the details of either reporting module. Perhaps, the Vantage report subsystem generates everything you could possibly need and therefore why deal with Crystal Reports to generate unneeded reports. On the other hand, I note that in a response, Christie mentioned that Vantage tracked quality issues 'anywhere in the process'. I would wonder how Vantage could track quality issues at
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Histonet Users. Please help me understand something. I may be opening a big can of worms here but I'm confused. Why is it that Michael Mihalik is allowed to expound on the subject of workflow solutions when he is a competitor in that market? I'm not saying that some of his comments are not helpful but I thought this was a users forum? People usually freak out when a vendor tries to put comment on a competitors products, what is the difference here? I personally do not want to hear what he has to say here because he obviously has another agenda regardless of how it is disguised. I openly admit that I am a Ventana Vantage user and will stand by that system because I know it so well and know it's capabilities. The BIG difference is, I am a user, not a Vendor. Jan Omaha -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jesus Ellin Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:40 AM To: Michael Mihalik; CHRISTIE GOWAN; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their slide, slide X and Vantage calls it 'y'. For instance, maybe IMPAC calls it case#.spnid.blockid.slideid and maybe Vantage calls it slideidNN. That means whenever the pathologist scans the slide at his IMPAC workstation, IMPAC won't recognize it. Perhaps this is not an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. 5. Management Reports: I know IMPAC supports Crystal Reports and at least theoretically you can build your own management reports. I don't what the situation with Vantage is. Are they canned reports or can you add more? Does this matter to you? I don't know enough about the details of either reporting module. Perhaps, the Vantage report subsystem generates everything you could possibly need and therefore why deal with Crystal Reports to generate unneeded reports. On the other hand, I note that in a response, Christie mentioned that Vantage tracked quality issues 'anywhere in the process'. I would wonder how Vantage could track quality issues at specimen receipt or at the pathologists PC if Vantage was not installed at those two areas. Perhaps as long as it's tracked somewhere, who cares what system contains the data. These are some serious issues to consider and as you might conclude, the analysis leans towards an integrated solution. However, that's not the whole story. There is really no magic to printing and scanning barcodes. The real science/magic lies in how those barcoded identifiers are used. You want them to make misidentification errors go away and you want them to constantly provide who/what/where information for any and all material. ...bu
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Hello Dana, Well I see you have the golden question, which one do you choose and which one you stick with. My perception is that both add value and both are going to give you what you are looking for in the short term. But in the long run as we dive deeper into the functionality of both it becomes the cat and mouse game. Who is going to give what information and who is going to store the information? I think you need to weigh out the Pros and Cons for your institution and take into consideration the normal items of value, cost, and impact. But the items not being discussed by either side is informatics (free flow of data no matter what the situation, think about EHR here), data mining ( full view of the process to include all steps, other than scanned sites), flexibility (meaning not having to be a single vendor centric or being able to pull data from different instrumentation.) What has happened is due to recent regulatory changes, everyone is racing to find a solution to meet the need of compliance as well as increase efficiency due to cut backs. But remember this is a culture change and begins with a lot of bumps and bruises. I would also offer up other stand alone systems that you need to look at. I myself am a PowerPath user and I have had this debate for a long time. But I in my current situation, I am seeing that EHR's are playing a role in this as well. Especially if you are looking at going with the EHR system. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. Jesus Ellin Yuma Regional Medical Center 928-336-1743 __ This message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender at either the e-mail, fax, address, or telephone number listed above and delete this e-mail from your computer. Thank You. __ ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
Well put Michael!! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Mihalik Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:35 AM To: 'CHRISTIE GOWAN'; dana.spen...@pcmh.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their slide, slide X and Vantage calls it 'y'. For instance, maybe IMPAC calls it case#.spnid.blockid.slideid and maybe Vantage calls it slideidNN. That means whenever the pathologist scans the slide at his IMPAC workstation, IMPAC won't recognize it. Perhaps this is not an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. 5. Management Reports: I know IMPAC supports Crystal Reports and at least theoretically you can build your own management reports. I don't what the situation with Vantage is. Are they canned reports or can you add more? Does this matter to you? I don't know enough about the details of either reporting module. Perhaps, the Vantage report subsystem generates everything you could possibly need and therefore why deal with Crystal Reports to generate unneeded reports. On the other hand, I note that in a response, Christie mentioned that Vantage tracked quality issues 'anywhere in the process'. I would wonder how Vantage could track quality issues at specimen receipt or at the pathologists PC if Vantage was not installed at those two areas. Perhaps as long as it's tracked somewhere, who cares what system contains the data. These are some serious issues to consider and as you might conclude, the analysis leans towards an integrated solution. However, that's not the whole story. There is really no magic to printing and scanning barcodes. The real science/magic lies in how those barcoded identifiers are used. You want them to make misidentification errors go away and you want them to constantly provide who/what/where information for any and all material. ...but again, HOW do the two sets of software do that? You might want to consider the following questions: 1. Do you HAVE to use PCs for each grossing, embedding, cutting station? This is important because more PCs cost money and more PCs take up precious space. On the other hand, more PCs allow more ease of data entry. 2. At grossing do you need to see the requisition? Are the requisitions scanned into IMPAC? That would make it difficult for IMPAC to display those images. What about patient history? Do you need to see that at grossing? 3. Do ALL slides print automatically when a block is scanned or do they have to be selected? You may have a preference here, but notice that I said 'slides for a block'. I can see both answers being 'correct'. 4. If you already have a Benchmark or Ultra, you have a built in motivation to use Vantage. With Vantage, you can use only ONE slide label to label slides going to those instruments. With IMPAC, you have to hand write or double label. This is because those 2 instruments require the use of Ventana's own label. Also, once the order for the benchmark or Ultra is in
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
As many as you know this is a topic that is near and dear to my heart so I'd like to expound on this subject if you'll permit me. For those of you who already have solutions, or perhaps have more favored topics, please feel to move on to the next subject. First off, while I have some knowledge of both products, I am a user of neither. In fact I am a competitor of both, to some degree. Both products offer advantages and disadvantages. You really need to think about how they fit in your lab. When I say 'in your lab', I mean not only the histology area, but everyone, including the accessioning clerks, secretaries, pathologists, and even cytotechnologists. To me, one of the items that is more relevant to your situation is whether you want an integrated solution (IMPAC) or a standalone/interfaced solution. For instance, 1. How will information get into Vantage? Will it have to be manually accessioned/entered or will there be an interface? In the IMPAC solution this is a non issue. Also, keep in mind that there may be an interface cost from BOTH vendors should you decide an interface is in order. 2. How will information get OUT of Vantage or put another way, does the pathologist or secretary need to see information gathered/stored by Vantage? This may be resolved by another interface, but it may also be resolved by putting Vantage on more and more PCs. 3. Who is going to configure, manage and maintain Vantage? This is going to be a whole other computer system in your lab. Will your IT department support it, maintain it, administer it, etc. Who will understand and set up the files, etc.? You have the same issue with IMPAC, but I bet someone is already handling all these issues. 4. Can you use barcodes generated from Ventana on IMPAC? I don't know the answer to this question. It's not that each system can't read the barcode. It's a matter of whether IMPAC calls their slide, slide X and Vantage calls it 'y'. For instance, maybe IMPAC calls it case#.spnid.blockid.slideid and maybe Vantage calls it slideidNN. That means whenever the pathologist scans the slide at his IMPAC workstation, IMPAC won't recognize it. Perhaps this is not an issue, but I thought I would bring it up. 5. Management Reports: I know IMPAC supports Crystal Reports and at least theoretically you can build your own management reports. I don't what the situation with Vantage is. Are they canned reports or can you add more? Does this matter to you? I don't know enough about the details of either reporting module. Perhaps, the Vantage report subsystem generates everything you could possibly need and therefore why deal with Crystal Reports to generate unneeded reports. On the other hand, I note that in a response, Christie mentioned that Vantage tracked quality issues 'anywhere in the process'. I would wonder how Vantage could track quality issues at specimen receipt or at the pathologists PC if Vantage was not installed at those two areas. Perhaps as long as it's tracked somewhere, who cares what system contains the data. These are some serious issues to consider and as you might conclude, the analysis leans towards an integrated solution. However, that's not the whole story. There is really no magic to printing and scanning barcodes. The real science/magic lies in how those barcoded identifiers are used. You want them to make misidentification errors go away and you want them to constantly provide who/what/where information for any and all material. ...but again, HOW do the two sets of software do that? You might want to consider the following questions: 1. Do you HAVE to use PCs for each grossing, embedding, cutting station? This is important because more PCs cost money and more PCs take up precious space. On the other hand, more PCs allow more ease of data entry. 2. At grossing do you need to see the requisition? Are the requisitions scanned into IMPAC? That would make it difficult for IMPAC to display those images. What about patient history? Do you need to see that at grossing? 3. Do ALL slides print automatically when a block is scanned or do they have to be selected? You may have a preference here, but notice that I said 'slides for a block'. I can see both answers being 'correct'. 4. If you already have a Benchmark or Ultra, you have a built in motivation to use Vantage. With Vantage, you can use only ONE slide label to label slides going to those instruments. With IMPAC, you have to hand write or double label. This is because those 2 instruments require the use of Ventana's own label. Also, once the order for the benchmark or Ultra is in Vantage, I 'imagine' that this data would be sent to those instruments automatically. Please confirm this as I do not know if this is an additional cost. 5. Again, if you use either the Ultra or Benchmark, the anticipated slide completion date is available. This date/time is not available via an interface to IMPAC or any other vendor. 6. At gr
Re: RE: [Histonet] parts for CV5030 glass coverslipper
Have you tried contacting Belair Instruments? I believe they are located in Fanwood NJ. Angie if you get a chance contact me off server :-). On Feb 28, 2011 11:04 AM, "Sherwood, Margaret" wrote: > We have a refurbished CV5030 coverslipper and we ordered directly from Leica. > If someone knows of anyone else who sells the parts/supplies, I would also be > interested. > > -Original Message- > From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Angela Bitting > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:55 AM > To: histonet > Subject: [Histonet] parts for CV5030 glass coverslipper > > Does anyone know if you can buy these from someone else besides Leica? My Fisher > rep never got back to me. > > > Angela Bitting, HT(ASCP), QIHC > Technical Specialist, Histology > Geisinger Medical Center > 100 N Academy Ave. MC 23-00 > Danville, PA 17822 > phone 570-214-9634 > fax 570-271-5916 > > No trees were hurt in the sending of this email > However many electrons were severly inconvienienced! > > > IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached > to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended > solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or > any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and > may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all > electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), > destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by > replying to this email. Thank you. > > > The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is > addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail > contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at > http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error > but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly > dispose of the e-mail. > > > ___ > Histonet mailing list > Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] parts for CV5030 glass coverslipper
We have a refurbished CV5030 coverslipper and we ordered directly from Leica. If someone knows of anyone else who sells the parts/supplies, I would also be interested. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Angela Bitting Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:55 AM To: histonet Subject: [Histonet] parts for CV5030 glass coverslipper Does anyone know if you can buy these from someone else besides Leica? My Fisher rep never got back to me. Angela Bitting, HT(ASCP), QIHC Technical Specialist, Histology Geisinger Medical Center 100 N Academy Ave. MC 23-00 Danville, PA 17822 phone 570-214-9634 fax 570-271-5916 No trees were hurt in the sending of this email However many electrons were severly inconvienienced! IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you. The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] parts for CV5030 glass coverslipper
Does anyone know if you can buy these from someone else besides Leica? My Fisher rep never got back to me. Angela Bitting, HT(ASCP), QIHC Technical Specialist, Histology Geisinger Medical Center 100 N Academy Ave. MC 23-00 Danville, PA 17822 phone 570-214-9634 fax 570-271-5916 No trees were hurt in the sending of this email However many electrons were severly inconvienienced! IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you.BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Bitting, Angela TEL;WORK:570-271-6844 ORG:;Histology EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:akbitt...@geisinger.edu N:Bitting;Angela END:VCARD ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
Hi Dana, I can't speak to the Elekta module but I have used the Vantage system for over a year now. We generate a bar code at accessioning that is used throughout the entire process to make cassettes, gross, embed, section, stain and turn out. We do not batch during any of the process other than the 20 slides we put in our staining tray. We scan each block at microtomy as we section which prints a label that we affix to the slide when we pick up the section. We have virtually eliminated errors at all stations. We were able to see quite an improvement in turn around times as well as tracking our specimens. This system also allows us to track quality issues anywhere in the process. Please feel free to contact me if you have further questions. Christie Gowan University of Alabama at Birmingham Surgical Pathology 205 934 4991 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:41:02 -0500 > From: dana.spen...@pcmh.com > To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > Subject: [Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions > > I am currently investigating workflow solutions for our Histology Lab > incorporating bar code labeling. We use the PowerPath/ Elekta AP System. I am > looking into Elekta's AMP Module vs Ventana's Vantage system. I would welcome > any comments on these systems and how they work in your lab or if you use > something else. I would also welcome any suggestions or comments on how you > label slides...Do you batch print and scan barcodes of the blocks and slides > at the microtome? Do you scan blocks at the microtome and print labels there > for the slides? Do you scan blocks at the microtome and print slides at the > microtome? You may email directly if you prefer. Please share! Thanks in > advance for your help and feedback! > > Dana > > -- > The contents of this e-mail (and any attachments) are confidential, may be > privileged and may contain copyright material. You may only reproduce or > distribute material if you are expressly authorized by us to do so. If you > are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email > (and any attachments) is unauthorized. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please notify the sender and immediately delete this e-mail and any > copies of it from your system. > == > ___ > Histonet mailing list > Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Histology Workflow Solutions
I am currently investigating workflow solutions for our Histology Lab incorporating bar code labeling. We use the PowerPath/ Elekta AP System. I am looking into Elekta's AMP Module vs Ventana's Vantage system. I would welcome any comments on these systems and how they work in your lab or if you use something else. I would also welcome any suggestions or comments on how you label slides...Do you batch print and scan barcodes of the blocks and slides at the microtome? Do you scan blocks at the microtome and print labels there for the slides? Do you scan blocks at the microtome and print slides at the microtome? You may email directly if you prefer. Please share! Thanks in advance for your help and feedback! Dana -- The contents of this e-mail (and any attachments) are confidential, may be privileged and may contain copyright material. You may only reproduce or distribute material if you are expressly authorized by us to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email (and any attachments) is unauthorized. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and immediately delete this e-mail and any copies of it from your system. == ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
