Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
Dorothy R. Glass, BS,HTL(ASCP),IHC You are so right about the good old days when you would prove who you were and sit for a paper not computer exam at a medical school close to you. I sat for the HTL in 1988. I was so proud to call myself a Histologist after being trained at a School of Histotechnology and being ASCP certified. NOW you have people on the job trained just referring to themselves casually as histotects. Not histo trainees. Unfortunate for us older techs, it is very offensive considering what we went through in establishing a career not just a job. Some reference labs is focusing on hiring aids to later, after a few months train them and refer to them as histotechs. I hate it when the term is used so freely. Sinserely, frustrated HTL David Kemler wrote: >Good stuff. In the "old" days, 36 years ago for me, taking the HT(ASCP) >exam it was said that you were "registered" by the ASCP, because the >designation HT is given by the Board of Registry of the ASCP. Many of the NEW >folks use the word "certified". After a total of 39 years (3 years was >training before you were eligible) I still only use registered by the ASCP / >Licensed by the State of Florida and call myself a "histologist". > >In those days ( long before the Internet), you took your ASCP exam (HT's, >MT's, CT's, BT's, MLT's) at specially selected medical schools across the US. >You chose the one giving the exam which was closest to where you lived. If >you needed to drive 100 miles or further to get to the examining college on >March 15 OR August 15th, (the only dates it was given) that's what you >did. Getting into the exam auditorium before you were allowed to "sit" (that's >what it was called) for the exam, was a challenge. You had to prove that you >were who you said you were or you were not getting in. Once those guarded >doors were closed - they were CLOSED! I saw several folks crying outside the >auditorium that day n 1975. Chances for cheating were eliminated at every >turn. Unfortunately, not so today. So you can see why for us older techs, if >you were HT(ASCP) it really meant something. Unfortunately, not so today. > >Yours, >Dave >Histonetters, > >I see this subject tends to illicit strong sentiments from >professionals who are impacted or have an impact on HT/HTL's (sort of >everyone on the net)?. > >I am still in school, but I want to fully understand how training, >certification, and registration work for HT/HTL’s. I realize that >ASCP certification is voluntary, and that some States require some >sort of license or certification, but I’ve never heard of a “Registry” >for HT/HTL’s. > >-The way I understand through what I’ve been taught at school is that >Histology is the study of tissue, And that... > >-To study tissue there is another science that prepares specimens so >they can be studied. And that... > >-There is a final sequence “Quality Control” that verifies the science >that prpares specimens is properly done so the tissue can be studied. >And that… > >In order for this all to happen successfully and consistently, the >HT/HTL's make sure that during the whole preparation process, safety >is observed, proper adherence to federal and state regulations >maintained, plus train other technicians to do the same, and much >more. > >If I understood it all correctly I can’t help but wonder: > >If HT/HTL's do all of this crucial preparation work to make sure >specimens are acceptable for precise microscopic identification of >cells, tissue type, diagnosis of disease, and other needs: > >"Why wouldn't we want to have some method that can gage a set of basic >skills to indicate a level of competency that HT/HTL's should >initially have, in order to enter the field of work that can effect so >many people either directly or indirectly?" > >And also... "Wouldn’t having NAACLS accredited training and ASCP >Certifications serve to gage those basic skills?" > >And also… "Would gaging basic skills have a positive impact on the >quality of patient care and the efficiency of the HT/HTL’s impact on >labs?” > >I'm not sure but...this fall… when I complete my NAACLS accredited >degree program, and voluntarily take the ASCP HTL certification exam, >my future employer will be able to expect a certain level of >competency that I hope to have established through training and >certification. > >Rick T. > >___ >Histonet mailing list >Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > > > > > > >From: Rick Tiefenauer >To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:52 PM >Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs > >___ >Histonet mailing list >Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu >http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.
RE: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
Well said Will.
Original Message
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
From: William Chappell <<= a
href="mailto:cha...@yahoo.com";>cha...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, M= ay 24, 2012 4:02 pm
To: Davide Costanzo <[1]pathloc...@gmail.com>
Cc: histonet <[2]histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu>
I have respected Jay's input in the past, but I too must say s
omething.
Without realizing it, and by stating his opinion in a horr= ibly crass
way, Jay has touched upon an important truism. There are two typ= es
of histologists, those that have a job that pays the bills, and those
wh= o have a career in which they thrive. Neither are better than the
other, bo= th are needed. I suspect, however, that the majority of
Histonetters -- esp= ecially avid contributors are in the latter
group. I know I am.
Hist= otechs who approach histology as a job, go into work, embed,
cut, stain and= go home. they are excellent techs, but are just not
committed to expanding= the field or doing more than is needed to
provide the pathologist with a p= erfect slide. Jay refers to these
people as no better than trained monkeys.= That is a horrible insult
with a small (very small) grain of truth. One da= y those histologists
will be replaced by a mechanical/robotic process. The = march of
progress is unstoppable.
The career histologist has a much = longer life span however. We
analyze and troubleshoot problems. We understa= nd or endeavor to
learn the organic chemistry of stains. We know EXACTLY ho= w a Rabbit
Monoclonal antibody is made. We know more about the practice of
histology than ANY pathologist. We invent and develop antibodies and
specia= l stains. And we conceptualize and perfect the instruments
that will replac= e the first group in the future.
Jay, that is why so many are offend= ed. We don't do this simply
because it is a good paycheck. We are histologi= sts because we are
professionals who choose this career. You may be going t= o a job
cutting slides (which is great and necessary), but we are enjoyingour
life.
Will Chappell, HTL (ASCP), QIHC, MBA
and histologist by= choice, not accident
On May 24, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Davide Costan= zo wrote:
> I'm sorry - I cannot let this rest. The comment: "we = are just as
much
> needed as pathologists, blah, blah,
> blah..= ." is so upsetting I cannot sit back and listen to that
without
>= saying something!
>
> Everyone, regardless of their lot in li= fe, is a very worthwhile
part of the
> whole. Let me ask you a questi= on, since you highly undervalue
humans that
> are not MD's - let's sa= y that you are a patient at Hospital X, and
you go
> in to have your = toenail removed. Who plays a more important role
in your
> survival -= the Podiatrist or the hospital janitor? I would argue
that the
> jan= itor is more crucial in this instance, for if he/she fails to
clean up
&= gt; the MRSA from the last patient you could conceivably die. The
doctor so= lved
> your fungal problem, but the janitor prevented you from gettin= g a
> potentially life-threatening infection. Think before you speaklike
that -
> everyone involved in your care is critical - and, yes, = sometimes
the doctor
> is not the most important person when it comes= to keeping you alive
and
> well!
>
>
>
>>
>OnThu,May 24, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Jay Lundgren
<[3]jaylundg...@gmail.com> wrote:
&= gt;
>> Scott Lyons [4]slnj07@yah= oo.com
>>
>> Give me a break, HTs and HTLs do not ma= ke diagnoses or treat
patients. I
>> am a registered HT and a Flor= ida licensed HTL with 19 years
experience,
>> I've done it all in = the lab. I believe the certification and
licensure of
>> techs is = a scam to bleed more money from people. Honestly, you
can train a
>&g= t; monkey to do our job. And I don't want to hear from everyone
saying it's= an
>> art form, we are just as much needed as pathologists, blah,= blah,
>> blah... I work where they are hiring people from a m= asters
degree
>> program for histology with certification, THEY KN= OW NOTHING.
Experience it
>> where it's at, whether certified or n= ot, get off your high horse.
>>
>>
>>
>= >
>>
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>>
&= gt;>
>>
>>
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Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
And you are a wonderful tech. And I'm so proud of you for continuing your education. Anyone who gets mentored by you will be very lucky. Hope your having a great day. Luv ya Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2012, at 12:35 PM, "Nicole Tatum" wrote: >> LOL, I dont have much to say about this one. Like you Kim I have a fl HTL > license and an HT ASCP. I have two classes left before I complete my BSH > and will be able to sit for my ASCP HTL. I have 12yrs of experience but > that is not reconginized in the eyes of licensure for ASCP. I do believe > my skill level should determine my licensure status not the degree I > hold. Because I promise every class im taking rt now means nothing > towards my field. The word histology has not even be written in any of > the books im studying. I think OJT techs are just as qualified as any > person who completed an online programs, if not more so. I completed an > online histology program and learned my skills from other people in the > bizz with alot of experience who were willing to train me and be patient. > Never one time did I question their, experience, licensure, or training. > The OJTs carried Histology through the transisition of licensure and > passed the skills and knowlegde on to us young bucks to carry the torch. > > That is all...lol > Nicole Tatum HT ASCP (hahaha soon to be HTL ASCP) :)~~~ > > > > > > > LOL, I was waiting for this thread to turn into a fist fight. I knew it >> would. >> >> A Fl Licensed HTL is someone who oviously had to take more test than a >> ASCP certified tech if they got it from 19 years ago. How do I know, I'm >> one of those who had to take all those test way back then. Florida is >> pretty stringent who can do what with what. Not as much as they used to >> be, because now the only route is through ASCP. You will not work in a >> hospital as a histologist without a Fl License. Maybe in a exclusive >> provider private office, but that is the only exception. >> >> As far as Monkeys. Whew! I think that's whats wrong with our profession, >> one thing anyway. Too many people veiw it that way. >> >> Personally I wish the Histo programs would go back to teaching on campus >> with using the MLT course comparison. Not to bash anyone who is either >> involved or has been involved with the internet programs that have popped >> up everywhere, but I'm not seeing the same level of technical skill or >> knowledge come out of these programs. I'm sure there are many super >> students who do get it, but many times they are pushed through on thier >> short rotations and used as gophers etc and dont have the skills even >> sometimes to cut a block. And forget about knowing what a good control for >> a GMS is. >> >> I'd like to see our profession go back to min AS degrees in Histology. The >> certification only have hurt us and the pay scale is changing I feel >> because of it. >> >> Also, if you really want to promote our field and improve it, be >> supportive of your state going to a license for our practice. ASCP >> supports states requiring license. >> >> Thats my 2cents for the day. Happy Friday! :) >> >> Kim D >> >> >> >> From: William Chappell >> To: Davide Costanzo >> Cc: histonet >> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs >> >> I have respected Jay's input in the past, but I too must say something. >> >> Without realizing it, and by stating his opinion in a horribly crass way, >> Jay has touched upon an important truism. There are two types of >> histologists, those that have a job that pays the bills, and those who >> have a career in which they thrive. Neither are better than the other, >> both are needed. I suspect, however, that the majority of Histonetters -- >> especially avid contributors are in the latter group. I know I am. >> >> Histotechs who approach histology as a job, go into work, embed, cut, >> stain and go home. they are excellent techs, but are just not committed >> to expanding the field or doing more than is needed to provide the >> pathologist with a perfect slide. Jay refers to these people as no better >> than trained monkeys. That is a horrible insult with a small (very small) >> grain of truth. One day those histologists will be replaced by a >> mechanical/robotic process. The march of progress is unstoppable. >> >> The career histologist has a much longer life span however. We analyze >> and troubleshoot problems. We understand or endeavor to learn the organic >> chemistry of stains. We know EXACTLY how a Rabbit Monoclonal antibody is >> made. We know more about the practice of histology than ANY pathologist. >> We invent and develop antibodies and special stains. And we conceptualize >> and perfect the instruments that will replace the first group in the >> future. >> >> Jay, that is why so many are offended. We don't do this simply because it >> is a good paycheck. We are histologists
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Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs
You forgot one thing. We had to pass a practical examination of stains they told you to do and pass before we could sit for the written! That went away with all the automated equipment and many who OJT now and even some schools don't do a hand staining specal stain sequence from scratch. Or what all the ex tras ones we did by hand are as the list is s o extensive. IHC is taking some of the old stains away and is a better method for some disease processes. However ; we still have some older patholgoist wh o want to see stains we don't do or can't due to mercury or other components we are not allowed to dispose of without a permit or extra expense to get r id of. We have automated and hand staining with some of us older histologist still enjoying the occassional hand stain technique. Pam Marcum - Original Message - From: "David Kemler" To: "Fellow HistoNetters" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:46:42 AM Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs Good stuff. In the "old" days, 36 years ago for me, taking the HT(ASCP) exam it was said that you were "registered" by the ASCP, because the designation HT is given by the Board of Registry of the ASCP. Many of the NEW folks use the word "certified". After a total of 39 years (3 years was training before you were eligible) I still only use registered by the ASCP / Licensed by the State of Florida and call myself a "histologist". In those days ( long before the Internet), you took your ASCP exam (HT's, MT's, CT's, BT's, MLT's) at specially selected medical schools across the US. You chose the one giving the exam which was closest to where you lived. If you needed to drive 100 miles or further to get to the examining college on March 15 OR August 15th, (the only dates it was given) that's what you did. Getting into the exam auditorium before you were allowed to "sit" (that's what it was called) for the exam, was a challenge. You had to prove that you were who you said you were or you were not getting in. Once those guarded doors were closed - they were CLOSED! I saw several folks crying outside the auditorium that day n 1975. Chances for cheating were eliminated at every turn. Unfortunately, not so today. So you can see why for us older techs, if you were HT(ASCP) it really meant something. Unfortunately, not so today. Yours, Dave Histonetters, I see this subject tends to illicit strong sentiments from professionals who are impacted or have an impact on HT/HTL's (sort of everyone on the net)?. I am still in school, but I want to fully understand how training, certification, and registration work for HT/HTL’s. I realize that ASCP certification is voluntary, and that some States require some sort of license or certification, but I’ve never heard of a “Registry” for HT/HTL’s. -The way I understand through what I’ve been taught at school is that Histology is the study of tissue, And that... -To study tissue there is another science that prepares specimens so they can be studied. And that... -There is a final sequence “Quality Control” that verifies the science that prpares specimens is properly done so the tissue can be studied. And that… In order for this all to happen successfully and consistently, the HT/HTL's make sure that during the whole preparation process, safety is observed, proper adherence to federal and state regulations maintained, plus train other technicians to do the same, and much more. If I understood it all correctly I can’t help but wonder: If HT/HTL's do all of this crucial preparation work to make sure specimens are acceptable for precise microscopic identification of cells, tissue type, diagnosis of disease, and other needs: "Why wouldn't we want to have some method that can gage a set of basic skills to indicate a level of competency that HT/HTL's should initially have, in order to enter the field of work that can effect so many people either directly or indirectly?" And also... "Wouldn’t having NAACLS accredited training and ASCP Certifications serve to gage those basic skills?" And also… "Would gaging basic skills have a positive impact on the quality of patient care and the efficiency of the HT/HTL’s impact on labs?” I'm not sure but...this fall… when I complete my NAACLS accredited degree program, and voluntarily take the ASCP HTL certification exam, my future employer will be able to expect a certain level of competency that I hope to have established through training and certification. Rick T. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet From: Rick Tiefenauer To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Histonet] Unregistered techs ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.u
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