RE: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Morken, Timothy 
Wow, thanks for all the feedback. Do I get a prize for starting the Topic of 
the Day?

I’ll look in to all these suggestions and hopefully make everyone happy 
(rgghhhtt…)

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies
UC San Francisco Medical Center
San Francisco, CA

From: Pam Marcum [mailto:mucra...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:48 PM
To: Sally
Cc: Tom McNemar; Morken, Timothy; Histonet
Subject: Re: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives


If we grossed them we could control this.  However; we are physically a quarter 
mile ftom the Gross Room so we get what we get and have learned to live with 
it.  I have used lens paper in the past and it is not used here.  I also had 
more say in how the biopsies were handled and by whom than I have here so I 
just look for better ways that we might get approved.

Pam


From: "Sally" mailto:nmhi...@comcast.net>>
To: "Tom McNemar" mailto:tmcne...@lmhealth.org>>, 
"Timothy' 'Morken" 
mailto:timothy.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org>>, 
"Histonet" 
mailto:histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 2:17:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

I always used lens paper. Wrap paper over tissue at an oblique angle so the 
forceps can grab  a corner of the thin paper and peel away without losing 
tissue - whether hot or cold paraffin. Never lost a tissue...

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From: "Tom McNemar" mailto:tmcne...@lmhealth.org>>
Sent: ‎8/‎13/‎2014 9:59 AM
To: "'Morken, Timothy'" 
mailto:timothy.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org>>; 
"Histonet" 
mailto:histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu>>
Subject: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

Personally, I prefer the biopsy bags and find them easy to work with.  I 
generally hold the bag in one hand (allows the paraffin to cool enough to hold 
the tissue) and use forceps to slowly open it.  If it is an ECC or something 
similar, I can wrap the opened bag around a couple of fingers and use a small 
spatula to scrap.  With a little practice, I have found it to be quick and 
efficient.

Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP)
Histology Supervisor
Licking Memorial Health Systems
(740) 348-4163
(740) 348-4166
tmcne...@lmhealth.org<mailto:tmcne...@lmhealth.org>
www.LMHealth.org<http://www.LMHealth.org>


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 [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:24 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies
UC San Francisco Medical Center
Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org<mailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org<mailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org%3cmailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org>>


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Re: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Pam Marcum 


If we grossed them we could control this.  However; we are physically a quarter 
mile ftom the Gross Room so we get what we get and have learned to live with 
it.  I have used lens paper in the past and it is not used here.  I also had 
more say in how the biopsies were handled and by whom than I have here so I 
just look for better ways that we might get approved.  

Pam 

- Original Message -

From: "Sally"  
To: "Tom McNemar" , "Timothy' 'Morken" 
, "Histonet"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 2:17:39 PM 
Subject: RE: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives 

I always used lens paper. Wrap paper over tissue at an oblique angle so the 
forceps can grab  a corner of the thin paper and peel away without losing 
tissue - whether hot or cold paraffin. Never lost a tissue... 

-Original Message- 
From: "Tom McNemar"  
Sent: ‎8/‎13/‎2014 9:59 AM 
To: "'Morken, Timothy'" ; "Histonet" 
 
Subject: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives 

Personally, I prefer the biopsy bags and find them easy to work with.  I 
generally hold the bag in one hand (allows the paraffin to cool enough to hold 
the tissue) and use forceps to slowly open it.  If it is an ECC or something 
similar, I can wrap the opened bag around a couple of fingers and use a small 
spatula to scrap.  With a little practice, I have found it to be quick and 
efficient. 

Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP) 
Histology Supervisor 
Licking Memorial Health Systems 
(740) 348-4163 
(740) 348-4166 
tmcne...@lmhealth.org 
www.LMHealth.org 


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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:24 AM 
To: Histonet 
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives 

All knowing Histonet, 

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem? 

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else. 

Thanks for any and all info! 

Tim Morken 
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies 
UC San Francisco Medical Center 
Box 1656 
505 Parnassus Ave 
San Francisco, CA 94143 
USA 

415.514-6042  (office) 
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org<mailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org> 


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RE: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Sally 
I always used lens paper. Wrap paper over tissue at an oblique angle so the 
forceps can grab  a corner of the thin paper and peel away without losing 
tissue - whether hot or cold paraffin. Never lost a tissue...

-Original Message-
From: "Tom McNemar" 
Sent: ‎8/‎13/‎2014 9:59 AM
To: "'Morken, Timothy'" ; "Histonet" 

Subject: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

Personally, I prefer the biopsy bags and find them easy to work with.  I 
generally hold the bag in one hand (allows the paraffin to cool enough to hold 
the tissue) and use forceps to slowly open it.  If it is an ECC or something 
similar, I can wrap the opened bag around a couple of fingers and use a small 
spatula to scrap.  With a little practice, I have found it to be quick and 
efficient.

Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP)
Histology Supervisor
Licking Memorial Health Systems
(740) 348-4163
(740) 348-4166
tmcne...@lmhealth.org
www.LMHealth.org


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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:24 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies
UC San Francisco Medical Center
Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org<mailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org>


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[Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Tom McNemar 
Personally, I prefer the biopsy bags and find them easy to work with.  I 
generally hold the bag in one hand (allows the paraffin to cool enough to hold 
the tissue) and use forceps to slowly open it.  If it is an ECC or something 
similar, I can wrap the opened bag around a couple of fingers and use a small 
spatula to scrap.  With a little practice, I have found it to be quick and 
efficient.

Tom McNemar, HT(ASCP)
Histology Supervisor
Licking Memorial Health Systems
(740) 348-4163
(740) 348-4166
tmcne...@lmhealth.org
www.LMHealth.org


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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:24 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies
UC San Francisco Medical Center
Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org


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Re: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Pam Marcum 


We tried the AutoSette and it did not work on longer biopsies as they curl.  
Love the design and the gross room had issues with it in the cassette writer.  
It would print two or three and jam.  We get from 35 to 100 biopsies a day so 
it was an issue. 

Pam - Original Message -

From: "Powell, Shirley"  
To: "Timothy Morken" , "Histonet" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:50:24 AM 
Subject: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives 

Hi Tim and all, 

I recently did a search for cassettes that I can process tiny, and I mean tiny 
(we are talking gnat's eyes, not really), specimens and found some cassettes 
that were perfect for them and one for a little larger, but still tiny.  The 
came from Cancer Diagnostics, no I do not get a kick back.  They are called 
AutoSette Cassettes (Vortex Cornerless Biopsy Cassettes) and are concave with 
NO corners for the tiny pieces to get caught in.  I deal with a lot of small 
and unique tissues/animals and these work perfectly.  Repeating myself, but the 
VM1007 ones are for the really extra tiny specimens and the VM1005 are for the 
little larger specimens.  You can get them in colors to differentiate types of 
sources.  You can see them here.  
http://www.cancerdiagnostics.com/CDI_Products.aspx?pid=153 

I must say I have not lost anything yet. 


Shirley 

-Original Message- 
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:24 AM 
To: Histonet 
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives 

All knowing Histonet, 

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem? 

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else. 

Thanks for any and all info! 

Tim Morken 
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies UC 
San Francisco Medical Center Box 1656 
505 Parnassus Ave 
San Francisco, CA 94143 
USA 

415.514-6042  (office) 
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org<mailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org> 


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[Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Marcum, Pamela A 
One of our biggest issues is getting the residents and gross room staff to cut 
things appropriately.  We need the biopsies laying out flat on the wet inter 
bag and they seem to have issues refolding after the placement is completed or 
fold part into the bag distorting it.  We have tried to get them to pay more 
attention and decided to attempt to find another way if possible.  

Pam

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Norton, Sally
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:44 AM
To: 'Pam Marcum'; Timothy Morken
Cc: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

We wrap our specimens in End Wrap papers (cut in half).  Takes more time I 
suppose than putting them in bags.

Sally Norton, HT
Seattle Childrens Hospital

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pam Marcum
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 08:37
To: Timothy Morken
Cc: Histonet
Subject: Re: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

Our kidney and liver biopsies are placed in BX bags (tea bags).  The 
pathologist feel the nylon bags leave a pattern on the tissue and sponges are 
even worse.  The Gross Room staff and residents also dislike the nylon bags as 
they feel they are harder to handle and stiff.  Then we in Histology feel 
exactly the same as Tim's description.  We have tried various things and keep 
going bag to "tea bag" style biopsy bags.  If anyone has come up with a better 
idea or product please let us all know.
Thank You,
Pam Marcum
UAMS

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From: "Timothy Morken" 
To: "Histonet" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:24:00 AM
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies UC 
San Francisco Medical Center Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org<mailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org>


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[Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Shirley A. Powell 
Correction the number is VB1005 but you can get all the numbers from the 
website. http://www.cancerdiagnostics.com/CDI_Products.aspx?pid=153


-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Shirley A. 
Powell
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:50 AM
To: Morken, Timothy; Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

Hi Tim and all, 

I recently did a search for cassettes that I can process tiny, and I mean tiny 
(we are talking gnat's eyes, not really), specimens and found some cassettes 
that were perfect for them and one for a little larger, but still tiny.  The 
came from Cancer Diagnostics, no I do not get a kick back.  They are called 
AutoSette Cassettes (Vortex Cornerless Biopsy Cassettes) and are concave with 
NO corners for the tiny pieces to get caught in.  I deal with a lot of small 
and unique tissues/animals and these work perfectly.  Repeating myself, but the 
VM1007 ones are for the really extra tiny specimens and the VM1005 are for the 
little larger specimens.  You can get them in colors to differentiate types of 
sources.  You can see them here.   

http://www.cancerdiagnostics.com/CDI_Products.aspx?pid=153



I must say I have not lost anything yet. 


Shirley

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:24 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies UC 
San Francisco Medical Center Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org<mailto:tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org>


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[Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Shirley A. Powell 
Hi Tim and all, 

I recently did a search for cassettes that I can process tiny, and I mean tiny 
(we are talking gnat's eyes, not really), specimens and found some cassettes 
that were perfect for them and one for a little larger, but still tiny.  The 
came from Cancer Diagnostics, no I do not get a kick back.  They are called 
AutoSette Cassettes (Vortex Cornerless Biopsy Cassettes) and are concave with 
NO corners for the tiny pieces to get caught in.  I deal with a lot of small 
and unique tissues/animals and these work perfectly.  Repeating myself, but the 
VM1007 ones are for the really extra tiny specimens and the VM1005 are for the 
little larger specimens.  You can get them in colors to differentiate types of 
sources.  You can see them here.  
http://www.cancerdiagnostics.com/CDI_Products.aspx?pid=153

I must say I have not lost anything yet. 


Shirley

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 11:24 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies UC 
San Francisco Medical Center Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org


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[Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Michael Ann Jones 
Telfa pads? We've used those with success.

Michael Ann Jones, HT(ASCP)
Metropath, Denver, CO

From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
 on behalf of Pam Marcum 

Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:37 AM
To: Timothy Morken
Cc: Histonet
Subject: Re: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

Our kidney and liver biopsies are placed in BX bags (tea bags).  The 
pathologist feel the nylon bags leave a pattern on the tissue and sponges are 
even worse.  The Gross Room staff and residents also dislike the nylon bags as 
they feel they are harder to handle and stiff.  Then we in Histology feel 
exactly the same as Tim's description.  We have tried various things and keep 
going bag to "tea bag" style biopsy bags.  If anyone has come up with a better 
idea or product please let us all know.
Thank You,
Pam Marcum
UAMS

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From: "Timothy Morken" 
To: "Histonet" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:24:00 AM
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies
UC San Francisco Medical Center
Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org


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[Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Norton, Sally 
We wrap our specimens in End Wrap papers (cut in half).  Takes more time I 
suppose than putting them in bags.

Sally Norton, HT
Seattle Childrens Hospital

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pam Marcum
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 08:37
To: Timothy Morken
Cc: Histonet
Subject: Re: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

Our kidney and liver biopsies are placed in BX bags (tea bags).  The 
pathologist feel the nylon bags leave a pattern on the tissue and sponges are 
even worse.  The Gross Room staff and residents also dislike the nylon bags as 
they feel they are harder to handle and stiff.  Then we in Histology feel 
exactly the same as Tim's description.  We have tried various things and keep 
going bag to "tea bag" style biopsy bags.  If anyone has come up with a better 
idea or product please let us all know.
Thank You,
Pam Marcum
UAMS

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From: "Timothy Morken" 
To: "Histonet" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:24:00 AM
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies
UC San Francisco Medical Center
Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org


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[Histonet] RE: biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

2014-08-13 Thread Goins, Tresa 
For pesky animal hair (we are a veterinary lab) with very little tissue 
attached, we wrap in lens paper - one layer of paper on one side of tissue and 
all other layers of the paper envelope on other side of the tissue - and embed 
the entire package.  

Tresa

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 9:24 AM
To: Histonet
Subject: [Histonet] biopsy "bags" for processing - alternatives

All knowing Histonet,

Our grossing staff uses nylon "biopsy bags" to enclose some biopsy specimens. 
The embedding staff find them troublesome because when they pull the bags open 
they tend to "pop" open and throw the tissue off in all directions. They have 
to be very careful opening these. Is there another bag made of some other 
material that is less prone to this problem?

For various reasons some of these samples can't be put on sponges. They do wrap 
some in flat biopsy paper, but not others. It seems to be a grossing personal 
preference more than anything else.

Thanks for any and all info!

Tim Morken
Supervisor, Histology, Electron Microscopy and Neuromuscular Special Studies UC 
San Francisco Medical Center Box 1656
505 Parnassus Ave
San Francisco, CA 94143
USA

415.514-6042  (office)
tim.mor...@ucsfmedctr.org


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