Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>There seem to be several tools that convert PDFs to MOBI, 
>have you tried all and found them to be unsatisfactory?

All of them? How shall I know I've found all of them :-)
Seriously, I have tried two and neither produced a satisfactory
result.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Marian Gasparovic]

I agree, Kindle is great for reading a book, not very usable for
reference material. When I want to read a PDF on Kindle I send it to
my Kindle account via email with subject "convert". It usually
provides very good results.
iPad is much better for manuals, I bought GoodReader application. It
has a very good PDF reader and you can transfer files there over wifi,
forget iTunes. Even download files from web using its own (simple)
html browser, great for redbooks.

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IBM Slovakia

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Kirk Wolf  wrote:
> There seem to be several tools that convert PDFs to MOBI, have you tried all
> and found them to be unsatisfactory?
>
> I have a Kindle (3), and to my thinking it is never going to be satisfactory
> for reading technical manuals because of the speed of the E-ink display.
>  IMO reading these requires fast scrolling, zooming, paging, linking that
> the current Kindle will just not handle.   Its great for reading a
> sequential book though.
>
> Reading PDFs on my EVO 4G is fine.   Its huge compared to most phones, with
> great resolution, but it can't compete in terms of usability with a printed
> book or netbook or IPad.
>
> The IPad hardware looks great, but I'm waiting to get a good *open* Android
> or Linux tablet.   Based on CES this week, that should be real soon...
>
> Kirk Wolf
> Dovetailed Technologies
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Kirk Wolf]

There seem to be several tools that convert PDFs to MOBI, have you tried all
and found them to be unsatisfactory?

I have a Kindle (3), and to my thinking it is never going to be satisfactory
for reading technical manuals because of the speed of the E-ink display.
 IMO reading these requires fast scrolling, zooming, paging, linking that
the current Kindle will just not handle.   Its great for reading a
sequential book though.

Reading PDFs on my EVO 4G is fine.   Its huge compared to most phones, with
great resolution, but it can't compete in terms of usability with a printed
book or netbook or IPad.

The IPad hardware looks great, but I'm waiting to get a good *open* Android
or Linux tablet.   Based on CES this week, that should be real soon...

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <1294308564.4d2594d48c...@postoffice.tpg.com.au>, on 01/06/2011
   at 09:09 PM, Shane Ginnane  said:

>Personally I prefer regex

Regexen are fine for simple tasks, but beyond that you need a more
heavyweight tool, e.g., YACC. For XML, why reinvent the wheel? Write
or download a wrapper around an existing parser. I'm pretty sure that
some exist in CPAN for Perl; I don't know about Python or Ruby.
 
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Shane Ginnane]

For a group so comfortable as a "community",  we should all find CPAN fits
like a favourite old leather jacket.
Can be done with (raw) regex, but the contributions are available as well.

Shane ...

On Thu, Jan 6th, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Martin Packer wrote:

> The "received wisdom" is that regex has a hard time with the complexity of
> 
> HTML (whether broken or not) and XML. Being less than fluent in regex's 
> I'm biased to agree. :-)

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Martin Packer]

The "received wisdom" is that regex has a hard time with the complexity of 
HTML (whether broken or not) and XML. Being less than fluent in regex's 
I'm biased to agree. :-)

Shane Ginnane wrote:

> Personally I prefer regex - it would be a doddle in perl/awk/sed ...

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Shane Ginnane]

Personally I prefer regex - it would be a doddle in perl/awk/sed ...

Shane ...

On Thu, Jan 6th, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Martin Packer wrote:

> Inspired by Peter's mention of REXX and HTML in the same post...
> 
> REXX could really use a DOM Tree Walker API (DOM = Document Object Model 
> and is how most languages process XML and HTML). Or at least some z/OS TSO 
> scripting language could.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Martin Packer]

Inspired by Peter's mention of REXX and HTML in the same post...

REXX could really use a DOM Tree Walker API (DOM = Document Object Model 
and is how most languages process XML and HTML). Or at least some z/OS TSO 
scripting language could.

Martin

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>The IBM Information Center allows up to 100 topics to be 
>"printed", which gives you a single HTML page (file) with
>all these topics. That file needs some manipulation to delete
>the repeating footer that are not needed and maybe some more.
>I'll give it a try to see what Calilre will produce with this.

Just for the records: This way looks very promissing. The 
transformed content looks very good, including tables that are
wider than the DX's display. 

I'll now have to find out how to change the HTML links pointing
back to the Information Center to links pointing to content
within the HTML file instead. I'm positive a couple of REXX 
lines will do.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[zSeries Systems Programmer]

You may want to check out Auto Kindle.  It is a free Windows only
download from download.cnet.com and might be what you want.  I have
never used it, so I don't stand behind the results.  My wife told me
that I could NOT use HER kindle for such storage.

On Wednesday, January 5, 2011, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
 wrote:
>>You might want to check out a program called Calibre.
>
> I've got it installed lately. So far I'm impressed about
> its functionality.
>
> I converted the Extended Addressability Guide as a first step.
> Text sections looked good but code snipplets were unusable.
>
>>You may have options included with that program that may help.
>
> I surely will have to try different options.
>
> I just understand that converting from PDF to anything else is
> not always easy and often results are not satisfactory. I think
> that HTML might be a better base to start with and knowing that
> IBM manuals are available via browser as HTML file made me
> hope I could get complete manuals as HTML files.
>
> The IBM Information Center allows up to 100 topics to be
> "printed", which gives you a single HTML page (file) with
> all these topics. That file needs some manipulation to delete
> the repeating footer that are not needed and maybe some more.
> I'll give it a try to see what Calilbe will produce with this.
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>You might want to check out a program called Calibre.

I've got it installed lately. So far I'm impressed about
its functionality.

I converted the Extended Addressability Guide as a first step.
Text sections looked good but code snipplets were unusable.
  
>You may have options included with that program that may help.

I surely will have to try different options.

I just understand that converting from PDF to anything else is 
not always easy and often results are not satisfactory. I think
that HTML might be a better base to start with and knowing that
IBM manuals are available via browser as HTML file made me 
hope I could get complete manuals as HTML files.

The IBM Information Center allows up to 100 topics to be 
"printed", which gives you a single HTML page (file) with
all these topics. That file needs some manipulation to delete
the repeating footer that are not needed and maybe some more.
I'll give it a try to see what Calilbe will produce with this.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Finley, Frank]

You might want to check out a program called Calibre.  It is for ebook
collections, and will do many different types of format changes.  There is a
spot where you can choose your specific device and format criteria.  

You may have options included with that program that may help.  I have had
good luck converting word docs and CHM files before, the only PDF's I have
converted were basic text, but had good luck with those.

Frank Finley


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>If you want further information, I'd be delighted to talk with 
>you directly.

Thanks for that offer, David. But I've made my decision and I 
don't regret it.

What I'm looking for is a way to convert IBM manuals to MOBI
format. If I don't succeed, I can live with the current PDF
support. 

I don't use the Kindle when I need to lookup information in 
a look-at way, e.g. what exactly does this parameter do or
what is the explanation of this abend code. I'll be sitting in
fromt of my PC when this kind of question arised. So I'll have
all the nice things as Acrobat and Internet to quickly look up.

I'm using the Kindle when I want to learn by reading complete
chapters from start to end. It is only a bit messy to get to
the start of the chapter. Thereafter reading is fun.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Martin Packer]

For iPad I recommend 64GB (which I did and forewent 3G). It was 
frustrating that iPhone 4 could only come with 32GB. (Ours are within 10GB 
of full at present.)

But I would hope 32GB would be enough on an iPad for PDF viewing. BTW I 
invested in "iAnnotate PDF" for obvious reasons.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>If you want further information, I'd be delighted to talk with 
>you directly.

Thanks for that offer, David. But I've made my decision and I 
don't regret it.

What I'm looking for is a way to convert IBM manuals to MOBI
format. If I don't succeed, I can live with the current PDF
support. 

I don't use the Kindle when I need to lookup information in 
a look-at way, e.g. what exactly does this parameter do or
what is the explanation of this abend code. I'll be sitting in
fromt of my PC when this kind of question arised. So I'll have
all the nice things as Acrobat and Internet to quickly look up.

I'm using the Kindle when I want to learn by reading complete
chapters from start to end. It is only a bit messy to get to
the start of the chapter. Thereafter reading is fun.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>In THIS case an inept PDF reader is an inept PDF reader. 
>Period. :-(

It is not inept; but, yes, it lacks some functions. The 
readability of the rendered pages, however, is excellent.

It is just much, much more relaxed reading compared to
any i-(straining)-Pad-like device.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>My humble suggestion: sell it away and buy something which is 
>capable to read IBM (and not only IBM) documentation. It can 
>be any netbook/notebook. It also provides much more features.

You haven't compared readability of LCD based versus E-Ink based
devices, have you? For reading just anywhere except in the dark
there is nothing comparable to an E-Ink device. 

I do own a notebook for all the other stuff I need a computer 
for. I bought the Kindle for its own purpose.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Tom Marchant]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:29:16 -0500, David Purdy wrote:

>I have the 32GB,
>probably could have gotten away with the 16 GB for z/OS library only.

Just for a point of reference, I have the full softcopy collections for five 
z/OS releases from 1.8 through 1.12, both .PDF and .BOO, as well as 
OS/390 2.10, several redbooks and every edition of the POO that I could 
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Finley, Frank]

I love reading on my kindle, however I have found that it just is not a good 
format for any type of technical manual, PDF or otherwise.  If you are going to 
read something straight through it works fine, but it is difficult to jump 
around within a document.  I find myself doing that a lot in technical manuals 
to lookup something talked about elsewhere.  I end up going to printed manuals 
or PDF on a full laptop/desktop instead.  That is just my personal experience 
with it.  

You may want to check out something like the iPad, or one of the Android 
versions that are coming out now, it may work better for this purpose.

Frank Finley

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I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 

For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.

Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[David Purdy]

I bit the bullet and bought an Apple iPad, and bought a $1 PDF reader.
Reads IBM manuals just fine, including PDF bookmarks (called OutLine in the
particular reader I installed.  I didn't get the Kindle DX for exactly your
reasons.

Pros:
- readable size, and you can zoom the full page display to get rid of the
blank margins and still have a full page displayed, or zoom a lot and get
one paragraph or diagram.
- personal preference: I like the touch screen for paging and zooming
- storage capacity of more manuals than I'll probably download - in the
several thousand range
- easier to carry than a laptop
Cons:
- spendy little sucker - I can print a lot of manuals for the same cost.
- tied to the iTunes interface - somewhat clunky IMHO
- not upgradable - get the size right the first time.  I have the 32GB,
probably could have gotten away with the 16 GB for z/OS library only.
- eyes get tired after a couple of continuous viewing hours
- 10 hour battery life
- not so viewable in the sun
- at the edge of being too heavy for long term viewing; I wish it was
lighter, but the weight is not offensive.

If you want further information, I'd be delighted to talk with you directly.

David Purdy

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I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 

For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.

Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.

Any other suggestions are welcome as well.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Tom Marchant]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 05:58:03 -0600, John McKown wrote:

>I really love the
>Kindle's screen. Laptops wash out easily in bright sunlight. And N.
>Texas often has bright sunlight. The Kindle's screen is excellent
>everywhere I go. Um, it there is enough ambient light. Just like paper.

I'm still looking for a laptop, or even better, a tablet with a Pixel Qi 
screen like the XO has.  See 
http://laptop.org/en/laptop/index.shtml .

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[John McKown]

I also have a Kindle DX. And I agree that the PDF reader on it is junk.
Which is surprising since the base OS is Linux and should be able to use
okular for PDF. I use okular on Linux/Intel and like it. But I also
admit that I don't know all the constraints imposed by the hardware. I
don't like laptops. OK, my laptop is a beast. I need to try something
smaller than an 8 pound, 17.3 in wide screen behemoth. I really love the
Kindle's screen. Laptops wash out easily in bright sunlight. And N.
Texas often has bright sunlight. The Kindle's screen is excellent
everywhere I go. Um, it there is enough ambient light. Just like paper.

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> UK newspaper on a Kindle. I pointed out there were alternatives that would 
> do what he wanted.
> 
> In THIS case an inept PDF reader is an inept PDF reader. Period. :-(
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Martin Packer]

Was having just the same debate with my Dad: He wanted to read a certain 
UK newspaper on a Kindle. I pointed out there were alternatives that would 
do what he wanted.

In THIS case an inept PDF reader is an inept PDF reader. Period. :-(

Martin

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[R.S.]

Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) pisze:

I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 


For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.


Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.


Any other suggestions are welcome as well.


My humble suggestion: sell it away and buy something which is capable to 
read IBM (and not only IBM) documentation. It can be any 
netbook/notebook. It also provides much more features.

Last but not least: it's easier.


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Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 

For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.

Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.

Any other suggestions are welcome as well.

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Peter Hunkeler
CREDIT SUISSE AG

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