Re: Emulated tape/ECKD disk

[Richard Schuh]

Alan Ackerman wrote:


How is "Emulated Tape" different from the VTAPE product from VSSI (Virtua
l 
Software Systems, Inc.)? That already exists -- see 
. 


Is what you are asking for better than VTAPE -- or are you just asking IB
M 
to provide free what you can already get for a price? IBM might not want 

to undercut a VM vendor. 

We have both VPARS and VTAPE -- but only on one VM system. This was 
installed to support TPF testing. The z/OS guests also make use of VTAPE.


I think these are expensive products -- but I really don't know what we 


pay for them.

On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:32:07 -0500, Tom Duerbusch 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 


The one thing I didn't understand on "why we don't have emulated tape
already?", is:

It's already available in VSE.

Is this one of those things, that if CMSDOS was kept up to date, like
it was in VSE/SP days (i.e. library access), would we already have it?
Of course the VSE component is called Virtual Tape and that may be
somewhat different then Emulated Tape.  But from my perspective, I would
   



 


take either.

Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting

   


=


 

Compared to other vendors,VSSI would not be considered expensive. They 
have a complete price list on their web site (www.vsoftsys.com). Their 
products are a bargain compared to the cost of the hardware 
infrastructure that they replace.

Re: Emulated tape/ECKD disk

[Alan Ackerman]

How is "Emulated Tape" different from the VTAPE product from VSSI (Virtua
l 
Software Systems, Inc.)? That already exists -- see 
. 

Is what you are asking for better than VTAPE -- or are you just asking IB
M 
to provide free what you can already get for a price? IBM might not want 

to undercut a VM vendor. 

We have both VPARS and VTAPE -- but only on one VM system. This was 
installed to support TPF testing. The z/OS guests also make use of VTAPE.
 
I think these are expensive products -- but I really don't know what we 

pay for them.

On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:32:07 -0500, Tom Duerbusch 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>The one thing I didn't understand on "why we don't have emulated tape
>already?", is:
>
>It's already available in VSE.
>
>Is this one of those things, that if CMSDOS was kept up to date, like
>it was in VSE/SP days (i.e. library access), would we already have it?
>Of course the VSE component is called Virtual Tape and that may be
>somewhat different then Emulated Tape.  But from my perspective, I would

>take either.
>
>Tom Duerbusch
>THD Consulting
>
=

Re: Emulated tape/ECKD disk

[David Boyes]

> I agree that we should refrain from asking IBM for specific solutions
-
> this makes it all the more important though that the problem is well-
> defined - otherwise (especially in todays business climate) one ends
up
> with a narrow and specific solution that is incapable of forming the
> foundation for further development into currently-unimagined areas. We
> need to ensure that any solution is engineered with an eye on the
future.

True. Given the amount of discussion I've had with Alan, George and
Steve at conferences, I'm pretty convinced they understand the problem
at hand. It's really a question of finding some people who'll buy it if
they do it. I know I'd be one, but I don't write checks to IBM big
enough to make the case based on one customer. 

Again, after looking at the way the SCSI stack was implemented to do the
FBA emulation, I think the framework you describe is pretty much already
there. The classes of devices are such that general CLASS=TAPE and
CLASS=DISK registrations would probably be sufficient for now (with tape
first, as it's possible to run VM and Linux adequately on FBA disk for
now, but you can't  back up CMS data without ESCON/FICON tape at the
moment which is IMHO the big glaring gap). 

> Alas, so far it only seems to be you-and-me that're willing to get
excited
> by this - I really expected you to start a mailstorm with this one but
it
> seems to have failed to capture the community's imagination. We'll
> certainly need more opinions than just yours-and-mine if this ever
gets to
> the, "IBM asking for feedback" stage!

Well, it took months for the layer 2 OSA ucode to catch on, too. I
suppose I can be reasonably pleased that it's now the recommended
connectivity option for the future. This, too, shall pass. 

If you or Mark P. can speak for EDS, that makes the three customers we
needed to start talking to Endicott management about the business case.
If not, let's see if we can convince the PTBs that it's the right thing
to do. 

-- db

Re: db2 7.4 and TCPIP on VM 5.2

[Ethan Lanz]

Oops!  I had a version of CEEPIPI on the DB2/VM 195 disk.  When I got rid 
of that, the databases started fine.

Ethan Lanz





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Hi Steve, for "that pesky DB2 problem", you may have to
rebuilt and resave the "CEEPIPI" module. ^e^

You can review the Appendix E. "IBM Language Environment
for VM User Exit Customization for use with TCP/IP" in the
DB2/VM Program Directory on how to tailor the CEEBXITB
before rebuld and resave the CEEPIPI module.

I hope this help.

...Roland 

--- Steve Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I will see if our DBA guy can post it.
> Thanks to both you guys for the reply.  I didn't think
> I'd get anything 
> this late
> in the night.
> One of us is spending to much time at work.  8-)
> Steve G.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Roland P. Chung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject:Re: db2 7.4 and TCPIP  on VM 5.2
> 
> 
> Hi Steve, TCPPORT=0 means does not start TCP/Ip support.
> Can you post the error messages from the DB2/VM server?
> 
> ... Roland
> 
> --- Steve Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello.  Has anyone experienced a problem with the
> subject
> > line working 
> > together?   We're in the midst of an install this
> weekend
> > and db2 won't come up when talking to/ working with
> > tcpip.   When we use 
> > port 0  on the tcpport parameter of the start command
> > it comes up fine.
> > Any ideas?
> > Thanks,
> > Steve G.
> 
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> ...Roland Chung
> Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSE&VM)
> MAXC Consultants Inc.
> Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268)
> 197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6
> 
> ** Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the
> roses. **
> 
> 
> 


With best regards,

...Roland Chung
Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSE&VM)
MAXC Consultants Inc.
Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268)
197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6

** Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the roses. **

Re: db2 7.4 and TCPIP on VM 5.2

[Roland P. Chung]

Hi Steve, for "that pesky DB2 problem", you may have to
rebuilt and resave the "CEEPIPI" module. ^e^

You can review the Appendix E. "IBM Language Environment
for VM User Exit Customization for use with TCP/IP" in the
DB2/VM Program Directory on how to tailor the CEEBXITB
before rebuld and resave the CEEPIPI module.

I hope this help.

...Roland 

--- Steve Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I will see if our DBA guy can post it.
> Thanks to both you guys for the reply.  I didn't think
> I'd get anything 
> this late
> in the night.
> One of us is spending to much time at work.  8-)
> Steve G.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Roland P. Chung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject:Re: db2 7.4 and TCPIP  on VM 5.2
> 
> 
> Hi Steve, TCPPORT=0 means does not start TCP/Ip support.
> Can you post the error messages from the DB2/VM server?
> 
> ... Roland
> 
> --- Steve Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello.  Has anyone experienced a problem with the
> subject
> > line working 
> > together?   We're in the midst of an install this
> weekend
> > and db2 won't come up when talking to/ working with
> > tcpip.   When we use 
> > port 0  on the tcpport parameter of the start command
> > it comes up fine.
> > Any ideas?
> > Thanks,
> > Steve G.
> 
> 
> With best regards,
> 
> ...Roland Chung
> Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSE&VM)
> MAXC Consultants Inc.
> Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268)
> 197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6
> 
> ** Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the
> roses. **
> 
> 
> 


With best regards,

...Roland Chung
Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSE&VM)
MAXC Consultants Inc.
Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268)
197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6

** Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the roses. **

Re: VM 5.2 GCS problem (I think)

[Steve Gentry]

Thanks guys for your help.   I made the GCS  config file change and printer are working now.
Now back to that pesky DB2 problem.

Steve G.

Re: VM 5.2 GCS problem (I think)

[Steve Gentry]

I think I found it.   You have to do a "GROUP" command, etc.  At least that's what 
I'm trying at the moment.







Kris Buelens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The "standard" list of authorized users is in the GCS config file, which 
is assembled in the nucleus.  Sureky RSCS and VTAM are listed there.

Kris,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support




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Hi Stve, I GOOGLEd the message and found this:

Date:         Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:01:26 -0400
Reply-To:     VM/ESA Discussions <[log in to unmask]>
Sender:       VM/ESA Discussions <[log in to unmask]>
From:         "Ferguson, Neale" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: VTAM or GCS Abend on VM/ESA V2R4?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Isn't this a privileged operation exception. This means the
virtual
machine needs to be setup as a privileged member of the GCS
group
(pardon the terminology).

> -Original Message-
> I created directory entries for VTAM83 and RSCS83 as
> duplicates of VTAM and
> RSCS in the 2nd-level system.  However, VTAM abends with
the following
> message when I XAUTOLOG VTAM83.
>
> GCTABD230E Command 'EXEC' failed - System abend 0C2-
>
> I can't find this message in the System Messages and
Codes for V2R2 or
> V2R4, nor in the GCS manual for V2R2 (I don't have a GCS
> manual for V2R4).

@
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0109&L=ibmvm&T=0&P=38056

It is old, but may shad some light.

Another one:

Date:         Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:01:08 -0400
Reply-To:     VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions <[log in to
unmask]>
Sender:       VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions <[log in to
unmask]>
From:         "Horlick, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Re: SNAPRSIM - Need help
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

Thank you, Peter.



BTW Thanks to all who responded. I issued the CONFIG
AUTHUSER ADD SNAFU
and it came up fine.


Funny thing is that I have several userid's (RSCS , VTAM,
TPX) IPLing
GCS but nothing in my PROFILE GCS on userid's GCS 191 disk.


Mike



@
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0509&L=ibmvm&T=0&P=39791

I hope this helps.

...Roland

--- Steve Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello.  I'm getting the following messages
>
>  PDLLIP01:    233 *-* 'APRMTSK'
>  PDLLIP01:        >>>   "APRMTSK"
>  PDLLIP01: GCTABD230E Command 'EXEC' failed - System
> abend 0C2-
>  PDLLIP01: Ready;
>
> We RSCS and have printers attached via ethernet to our
> system
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can find some info on the
> abend code?
> I use HELP on VM for   GCTABD230E   and it says to "Refer
> to the GCS Abend
> table in this publication . ."
> What pub?  There isn't one listed on the HELP screen.
> Thanks,
> Steve G.


With best regards,

...Roland Chung
Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSE&VM)
MAXC Consultants Inc.
Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268)
197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6

** Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the roses. **

Re: VM 5.2 GCS problem (I think)

[Kris Buelens]

I've got my own simple exec to help me buidling GCS, that starts with GCS 
ASSEMBLE instead of GCS CONFIG.
So I forgot a bit.  I think there was a CONFIG EXEC that displayed a 
panel.
Anyhow, you start with (in MAINT)
  VMFSETUP ZVM GCS
then have a look at the E- or F- disk
I think the panel creates a GCS CONFIG, copies that into GCS ASSEMBLE and 
assembles it.
As a final step you'll need to rebuild the GCS segment witj
  VMFBLD PPF ZVM GCS GCTLOAD (ALL

Kris,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support




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Where is the GCS config file? 





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The "standard" list of authorized users is in the GCS config file, which 
is assembled in the nucleus.  Sureky RSCS and VTAM are listed there.

Kris,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support




 

Re: VM 5.2 GCS problem (I think)

[Steve Gentry]

Where is the GCS config file?







Kris Buelens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The "standard" list of authorized users is in the GCS config file, which 
is assembled in the nucleus.  Sureky RSCS and VTAM are listed there.

Kris,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support

Re: VM 5.2 GCS problem (I think)

[Kris Buelens]

The "standard" list of authorized users is in the GCS config file, which 
is assembled in the nucleus.  Sureky RSCS and VTAM are listed there.

Kris,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support




"Roland P. Chung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Hi Stve, I GOOGLEd the message and found this:

Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:01:26 -0400
Reply-To: VM/ESA Discussions <[log in to unmask]>
Sender:   VM/ESA Discussions <[log in to unmask]>
From: "Ferguson, Neale" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:  Re: VTAM or GCS Abend on VM/ESA V2R4?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Isn't this a privileged operation exception. This means the
virtual
machine needs to be setup as a privileged member of the GCS
group
(pardon the terminology).

> -Original Message-
> I created directory entries for VTAM83 and RSCS83 as
> duplicates of VTAM and
> RSCS in the 2nd-level system.  However, VTAM abends with
the following
> message when I XAUTOLOG VTAM83.
>
> GCTABD230E Command 'EXEC' failed - System abend 0C2-
>
> I can't find this message in the System Messages and
Codes for V2R2 or
> V2R4, nor in the GCS manual for V2R2 (I don't have a GCS
> manual for V2R4).

@
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0109&L=ibmvm&T=0&P=38056

It is old, but may shad some light.

Another one:

Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:01:08 -0400
Reply-To: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions <[log in to
unmask]>
Sender:   VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions <[log in to
unmask]>
From: "Horlick, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:  Re: SNAPRSIM - Need help
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

Thank you, Peter.



BTW Thanks to all who responded. I issued the CONFIG
AUTHUSER ADD SNAFU
and it came up fine.


Funny thing is that I have several userid's (RSCS , VTAM,
TPX) IPLing
GCS but nothing in my PROFILE GCS on userid's GCS 191 disk.


Mike



@
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0509&L=ibmvm&T=0&P=39791

I hope this helps.

...Roland

--- Steve Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello.  I'm getting the following messages
>
>  PDLLIP01:233 *-* 'APRMTSK'
>  PDLLIP01:>>>   "APRMTSK"
>  PDLLIP01: GCTABD230E Command 'EXEC' failed - System
> abend 0C2-
>  PDLLIP01: Ready;
>
> We RSCS and have printers attached via ethernet to our
> system
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can find some info on the
> abend code?
> I use HELP on VM for   GCTABD230E   and it says to "Refer
> to the GCS Abend
> table in this publication . ."
> What pub?  There isn't one listed on the HELP screen.
> Thanks,
> Steve G.


With best regards,

...Roland Chung
Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSE&VM)
MAXC Consultants Inc.
Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268)
197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6

** Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the roses. **

Re: VM 5.2 GCS problem (I think)

[Roland P. Chung]

Hi Stve, I GOOGLEd the message and found this:

Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:01:26 -0400
Reply-To: VM/ESA Discussions <[log in to unmask]>
Sender:   VM/ESA Discussions <[log in to unmask]>
From: "Ferguson, Neale" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:  Re: VTAM or GCS Abend on VM/ESA V2R4?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Isn't this a privileged operation exception. This means the
virtual
machine needs to be setup as a privileged member of the GCS
group
(pardon the terminology).

> -Original Message-
> I created directory entries for VTAM83 and RSCS83 as
> duplicates of VTAM and
> RSCS in the 2nd-level system.  However, VTAM abends with
the following
> message when I XAUTOLOG VTAM83.
>
> GCTABD230E Command 'EXEC' failed - System abend 0C2-
>
> I can't find this message in the System Messages and
Codes for V2R2 or
> V2R4, nor in the GCS manual for V2R2 (I don't have a GCS
> manual for V2R4).

@
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0109&L=ibmvm&T=0&P=38056

It is old, but may shad some light.

Another one:

Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:01:08 -0400
Reply-To: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions <[log in to
unmask]>
Sender:   VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions <[log in to
unmask]>
From: "Horlick, Michael" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:  Re: SNAPRSIM - Need help
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

Thank you, Peter. 

 

BTW Thanks to all who responded. I issued the CONFIG
AUTHUSER ADD SNAFU
and it came up fine. 


Funny thing is that I have several userid's (RSCS , VTAM,
TPX) IPLing
GCS but nothing in my PROFILE GCS on userid's GCS 191 disk.


Mike   

 

@
http://listserv.uark.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0509&L=ibmvm&T=0&P=39791

I hope this helps.

...Roland

--- Steve Gentry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hello.  I'm getting the following messages
> 
>  PDLLIP01:233 *-* 'APRMTSK' 
>  PDLLIP01:>>>   "APRMTSK" 
>  PDLLIP01: GCTABD230E Command 'EXEC' failed - System
> abend 0C2- 
>  PDLLIP01: Ready; 
> 
> We RSCS and have printers attached via ethernet to our
> system
> 
> Can anyone tell me where I can find some info on the
> abend code?
> I use HELP on VM for   GCTABD230E   and it says to "Refer
> to the GCS Abend 
> table in this publication . ."
> What pub?  There isn't one listed on the HELP screen.
> Thanks,
> Steve G.


With best regards,

...Roland Chung
Senior Technical Specialist (S/390,VM/VSE,DB2/VSE&VM)
MAXC Consultants Inc.
Voice/Fax: 416-469-3280 (If busy, call: 416-469-2268)
197 Hastings Ave., Toronto, Ontario, Canada. M4L 2L6

** Life is short. Stop once in a while and smell the roses. **

VM 5.2 GCS problem (I think)

[Steve Gentry]

Hello.  I'm getting the following messages

 PDLLIP01:    233 *-* 'APRMTSK'                                       
 PDLLIP01:        >>>   "APRMTSK"                                     
 PDLLIP01: GCTABD230E Command 'EXEC' failed - System abend 0C2-   
 PDLLIP01: Ready;                                                     

We RSCS and have printers attached via ethernet to our system

Can anyone tell me where I can find some info on the abend code?
I use HELP on VM for   GCTABD230E   and it says to "Refer to the GCS Abend table in this publication . ."
What pub?  There isn't one listed on the HELP screen.
Thanks,
Steve G.

Re: This may interest some.

[Alan Altmark]

On Friday, 05/26/2006 at 08:16 EST, Gary Eheman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I laughed when I read this. It appears they assert (repeatedly) 
copyright on
> nothing, too.
> 
> Someone shared with me once that a load module on z/OS for this C 
program
> contains not fewer than 10 IBM copyright statements.
> 
> int TEST( void )
> {  return(0); }
> 
> Probably the same on VM.

:-)  We tend to copyright everything we write and the copyrights we use 
are boilerplate, written by our lawyers.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott