Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
Encryption should be the responsibility of the backup/restore product. IBM already has encryption hardware on the machine. VM:Backup exploits it today. I don't know about other products. Dennis "A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week.." -- General George S. Patton -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:30 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? Having read multiple media reports of companies losing tapes containing confidential information, are you sure you just want to put your DASD backups on a physically-tiny thumb drive? I lost my first 16G thumb drive within months even though I was pretty careful with it (having paid out of pocket for it a year ago). Most people don't have 3480, 3490, or 3590 tape drives sitting around to read company data. Most people _do_ have PC's with USB ports, even though trying to figure out whatever format a 3390 dump might be in would be quite a challenge. But it would still be a matter of getting your security officer to sign off on something s/he doesn't really understand. If you still think it's a good idea (and it *does* have merit), "do you want encryption with that order"?:-) Any other considerations to discuss before making recommendations to IBM? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. "Michael Coffin" Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 06/19/2009 11:49 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I think what we really need is the ability of the HMC to use a USB as an input device (e.g. be able to IPL a standalone program off of a USB stick, and have a program like DDR use the USB stick as an input or output device), and perhaps the ability of z/VM to read AND write to the USB so that we can write iplable decks and DDR content there. If a vendor (IBM or otherwise) wants to further exploit that capability with products that make it easier, so much the better. But the "basic" ability to do I/O to the device via the HMC and OS are what I'd be looking for. -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:56 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? On Friday, 06/19/2009 at 08:27 EDT, "McKown, John" wrote: > And, from what I've seen, IBM does not like to give some things out to > customers because it "freezes" what IBM can do in the future. Backward > compatability is wonderful for customers and a royal pain for vendors as it can > impact innovation. I wonder when/if Linux will ever suffer from the "can't > change that, the customers would revolt" syndrome. That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is "vendor space," including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product or give away things that would negatively affect the value of such software. But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed and how it is best delivered. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
I was thinking something like a little (I have one on my pc, but for the mainframe I would want a bigger one)USB hub that connects to the M-F via a ficon channel. Each port would be addressed on a CCUU bassis. In other words the USB's would look like tape drives.. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Coffin Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:49 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I think what we really need is the ability of the HMC to use a USB as an input device (e.g. be able to IPL a standalone program off of a USB stick, and have a program like DDR use the USB stick as an input or output device), and perhaps the ability of z/VM to read AND write to the USB so that we can write iplable decks and DDR content there. If a vendor (IBM or otherwise) wants to further exploit that capability with products that make it easier, so much the better. But the "basic" ability to do I/O to the device via the HMC and OS are what I'd be looking for. -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:56 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? On Friday, 06/19/2009 at 08:27 EDT, "McKown, John" wrote: > And, from what I've seen, IBM does not like to give some things out to > customers because it "freezes" what IBM can do in the future. Backward > compatability is wonderful for customers and a royal pain for vendors as it can > impact innovation. I wonder when/if Linux will ever suffer from the "can't > change that, the customers would revolt" syndrome. That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is "vendor space," including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product or give away things that would negatively affect the value of such software. But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed and how it is best delivered. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
I understand your concern about the 'loose-ability' of such a small footprint storage device. I would not recommend to my client the use of a ny USB storage device for DR without encryption of some amount of the data. My own idea for using it would be to carry the backups of our CORE systems t hat would be used at the hotsite to restore the rest of the user data from encrypted tapes. Each member of the mainframe DR team would have a copy s o that they could head to the hotsite as soon as possible. We could get the re and get this part of the system restored before ANY of our encrypted tape s could get there from the offsite storage vendor. /Tom Kern On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:29:37 -0500, Mike Walter wrote: >Having read multiple media reports of companies losing tapes containing >confidential information, are you sure you just want to put your DASD >backups on a physically-tiny thumb drive? I lost my first 16G thumb dri ve >within months even though I was pretty careful with it (having paid out of >pocket for it a year ago). > >Most people don't have 3480, 3490, or 3590 tape drives sitting around to >read company data. Most people _do_ have PC's with USB ports, even thou gh >trying to figure out whatever format a 3390 dump might be in would be >quite a challenge. But it would still be a matter of getting your >security officer to sign off on something s/he doesn't really understand . > >If you still think it's a good idea (and it *does* have merit), "do you >want encryption with that order"?:-) > >Any other considerations to discuss before making recommendations to IBM ? > >Mike Walter >Hewitt Associates
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
There may be concern with customer confidential data using these methods - but the primary purpose (or at least the one I'm after) is to restore a working and customized z/VM system. While you could probably use the results of all this to backup/restore other things -- I wouldn't think that would normally be done thru the HMC... we're talking 'install' and 'DR' here - not backup/archival solutions for data. (at least I'm not) But again - the security policy is up to the customer and shouldn't really be a consideration for the requirement. Coming from exposure to a plethora of Linux 'live CD' distros and others that are USB stick only.. and things like Knoppix and SystemRescue -- the concept of having a bootable, full functioning OS from DVD/USB - with the ability to use utilities to backup/restore partitions, etc -- I'm spoiled. I want that same ability on the mainframe. Give me a rescue system on conventional devices (dvd/usb) that everyone has -- now I can walk up to a tapeless z10 and restore a working and configured z/VM system from my other site without special equipment. Scott On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Mike Walter wrote: > Having read multiple media reports of companies losing tapes containing > confidential information, are you sure you just want to put your DASD > backups on a physically-tiny thumb drive? I lost my first 16G thumb drive > within months even though I was pretty careful with it (having paid out of > pocket for it a year ago). > > Most people don't have 3480, 3490, or 3590 tape drives sitting around to > read company data. Most people _do_ have PC's with USB ports, even though > trying to figure out whatever format a 3390 dump might be in would be > quite a challenge. But it would still be a matter of getting your > security officer to sign off on something s/he doesn't really understand. > > If you still think it's a good idea (and it *does* have merit), "do you > want encryption with that order"?:-) > > Any other considerations to discuss before making recommendations to IBM? > > Mike Walter > Hewitt Associates > Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily > represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. > > > > > "Michael Coffin" > > Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" > 06/19/2009 11:49 AM > Please respond to > "The IBM z/VM Operating System" > > > > To > IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > cc > > Subject > Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? > > > > > > > I think what we really need is the ability of the HMC to use a USB as an > input device (e.g. be able to IPL a standalone program off of a USB > stick, and have a program like DDR use the USB stick as an input or > output device), and perhaps the ability of z/VM to read AND write to the > USB so that we can write iplable decks and DDR content there. > > If a vendor (IBM or otherwise) wants to further exploit that capability > with products that make it easier, so much the better. But the "basic" > ability to do I/O to the device via the HMC and OS are what I'd be > looking for. > > -Mike > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On > Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:56 AM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? > > > On Friday, 06/19/2009 at 08:27 EDT, "McKown, John" > wrote: > > > And, from what I've seen, IBM does not like to give some things out to > > customers because it "freezes" what IBM can do in the future. Backward > > > compatability is wonderful for customers and a royal pain for vendors > as > it can > > impact innovation. I wonder when/if Linux will ever suffer from the > "can't > > change that, the customers would revolt" syndrome. > > That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is "vendor space," > > including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product > or > give away things that would negatively affect the value of such > software. > But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is > > analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed > > and how it is best delivered. > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott > > > > > > > The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may > contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if > this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert > the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any > attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of > this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly > prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be > monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure > compliance with our internal policies and to protect our busine
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
It would be nice if a z10 (or future machines) had several USB ports available to multiple LPARs and could be extended several hundred feet (l ike at a DR Vendor) so that users of different LPARs could manage the attachment/detachment of their own USB storage devices. /Tom Kern On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:49:04 -0400, Michael Coffin wrote: >I think what we really need is the ability of the HMC to use a USB as an >input device (e.g. be able to IPL a standalone program off of a USB >stick, and have a program like DDR use the USB stick as an input or >output device), and perhaps the ability of z/VM to read AND write to the >USB so that we can write iplable decks and DDR content there. > >If a vendor (IBM or otherwise) wants to further exploit that capability >with products that make it easier, so much the better. But the "basic" >ability to do I/O to the device via the HMC and OS are what I'd be >looking for. > >-Mike
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
Having read multiple media reports of companies losing tapes containing confidential information, are you sure you just want to put your DASD backups on a physically-tiny thumb drive? I lost my first 16G thumb drive within months even though I was pretty careful with it (having paid out of pocket for it a year ago). Most people don't have 3480, 3490, or 3590 tape drives sitting around to read company data. Most people _do_ have PC's with USB ports, even though trying to figure out whatever format a 3390 dump might be in would be quite a challenge. But it would still be a matter of getting your security officer to sign off on something s/he doesn't really understand. If you still think it's a good idea (and it *does* have merit), "do you want encryption with that order"?:-) Any other considerations to discuss before making recommendations to IBM? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. "Michael Coffin" Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 06/19/2009 11:49 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I think what we really need is the ability of the HMC to use a USB as an input device (e.g. be able to IPL a standalone program off of a USB stick, and have a program like DDR use the USB stick as an input or output device), and perhaps the ability of z/VM to read AND write to the USB so that we can write iplable decks and DDR content there. If a vendor (IBM or otherwise) wants to further exploit that capability with products that make it easier, so much the better. But the "basic" ability to do I/O to the device via the HMC and OS are what I'd be looking for. -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:56 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? On Friday, 06/19/2009 at 08:27 EDT, "McKown, John" wrote: > And, from what I've seen, IBM does not like to give some things out to > customers because it "freezes" what IBM can do in the future. Backward > compatability is wonderful for customers and a royal pain for vendors as it can > impact innovation. I wonder when/if Linux will ever suffer from the "can't > change that, the customers would revolt" syndrome. That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is "vendor space," including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product or give away things that would negatively affect the value of such software. But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed and how it is best delivered. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
Alan Altmark wrote: That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is "vendor space," including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product or give away things that would negatively affect the value of such software. But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed and how it is best delivered. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott It looks to me like we are talking about 2 separate requirements. 1. Add and document the ability for VM to read and write to bootable DVD and USB drives. 2. Change the Backup/Restore products (both IBM and other vendors) to exploit the abilities added in requirement 1. Requirement #1 is a prerequisite for requirement #2. But, requirement #2 is the justification for requirement #1. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
I think what we really need is the ability of the HMC to use a USB as an input device (e.g. be able to IPL a standalone program off of a USB stick, and have a program like DDR use the USB stick as an input or output device), and perhaps the ability of z/VM to read AND write to the USB so that we can write iplable decks and DDR content there. If a vendor (IBM or otherwise) wants to further exploit that capability with products that make it easier, so much the better. But the "basic" ability to do I/O to the device via the HMC and OS are what I'd be looking for. -Mike -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:56 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? On Friday, 06/19/2009 at 08:27 EDT, "McKown, John" wrote: > And, from what I've seen, IBM does not like to give some things out to > customers because it "freezes" what IBM can do in the future. Backward > compatability is wonderful for customers and a royal pain for vendors as it can > impact innovation. I wonder when/if Linux will ever suffer from the "can't > change that, the customers would revolt" syndrome. That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is "vendor space," including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product or give away things that would negatively affect the value of such software. But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed and how it is best delivered. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
On Friday, 06/19/2009 at 08:27 EDT, "McKown, John" wrote: > And, from what I've seen, IBM does not like to give some things out to > customers because it "freezes" what IBM can do in the future. Backward > compatability is wonderful for customers and a royal pain for vendors as it can > impact innovation. I wonder when/if Linux will ever suffer from the "can't > change that, the customers would revolt" syndrome. That's true, but it goes even deeper. Backup/Restore is "vendor space," including IBM's own offerings. We can't do things in the base product or give away things that would negatively affect the value of such software. But that's all stuff that gets sorted out when the actual requirement is analyzed by product planners and we understand what technology is needed and how it is best delivered. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
At some point that may work. I don't think that I'll be speaking "out of school" by relating that when I was trying to install Linux from the HMC as part of the z/VM 5.4.0 E.S.P. I tried using a 16G flash drive via the HMC's USB port. No joy. I could see the directories and files, but not open the files. At that time the z10 GA1 HMC drivers only supported (read: tested and supported) three different flash drives, the largest at that time was only 1G. "System z Hardware Management Console Operations Guide Version 2.10.1" (SC28-6873-00) updated May 5, 2009 reports: The supported USB flash memory drives are: - IBM USB 2.0 High Speed Memory Key - 128MB (part number 22P9229) - Lenovo USB 2.0 Memory Key - 512MB (part number 40Y8596) - Lenovo USB 2.0 Security Memory Key - 1GB (part number 41U5118)." Good luck restoring even a single 3390-3 only 1G at a time. But it has been almost a year since then -- perhaps the HMC USB drivers have been updated to support larger flash drives. IBM sells some very large flash drives now, you'd think that the latest, greatest monster IBM mainframe server would support flash drives that little laptops can handle, right? :-) Let us know how you fare with larger flash drives. Be sure that your actually try to open the files, not just see the directory list of them. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. "Mike At HammockTree" Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" 06/19/2009 09:12 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? A couple of "interesting" aspects of this "boot from the USB" idea The z10, which is where the "boot from DVD" is supported, comes with a HMC that has both the DVD and a couple of USB ports. USB is supported as an inport/export device for configuration files. The HMC runs Linux and Linux treats the DVD and USB in a very similar manner (from the user perspective). So "conceptually"(!) it should be a relatively simple move from booting from DVD to booting from USB. With 16, 32, and even 64 GB USB flash drives these days, there are all kinds of possibilities for having very portable systems. Mike Hammock - Original Message - From: "Edward M Martin" To: Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I am voting for the USB D/R tool. What type of requirement do we have to create? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I am liking the USB port idea even more. How cool would it be to walk into a D/R site with just a couple of thumb drives in your pocket to restore your whole z/VM system? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Alan Altmark Sent: Thu 6/18/2009 5:16 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? On Thursday, 06/18/2009 at 03:45 EDT, Dave Jones wrote: > Alan, I said to simply document the procedurenot that the procedure > itself was simple:-) I know what you said. :-) The procedure for building a DVD image includes tools that you don't have, so you would then ask for the tools. But the procedure and tools have value. And down the rabbit hole we go I KNOW how this story ends. :-) > Maybe the good Dr. Boyes could write up and submit the requirement to > WAVV? You could, but I would like to gently suggest that it isn't going to happen. If you want to be able to have a system that is recoverable from the DVD drive, then that is the requirement to levy. And since it is a function of backup/DR, it properly belongs to the backup products. But keep in mind that its all part and parcel of the larger requirement to get z/VM to support storage devices other than SCSI disk, ECKD, FBA, and 3590 tape. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and
Re: DB2 Problem solution
It's programmer error. The view that I was shown, from the test system, was as I thought it was. The production system, however, had a different view. The production view would, under certain conditions, return a smaller selection set for the view than for the table. Now, we are arguing why this can't be . Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
>> I am liking the USB port idea even more. How cool would it be >> to walk into a D/R site with just a couple of thumb drives in >> your pocket to restore your whole z/VM system? > I wonder if FlexCUB from Fundamental Software would allow this? > It is an Escon attached PC device which can emulate mainframe > disk and tape. Of course, then the DR vendor has to have one around. We are currently testing that exact procedure using our FLEX box. First we backup both VM and VSE data to faketape. We put them into a separate folder to identify what needs to go offsite. Then we run a utility written by John Weis at T3 that will encrypt and zip the faketape files and copy them over to a USB drive. Preliminary tests show we can take around 11-12 gb of faketape files and encrypt/zip them into about 3 gb on the USB drive in about 45 minutes. It is pretty slick, but then, we don't have all that much data to worry about either. As far as a FlexCUB, if you are running version 7, the faketape files can be automatically encrypted as they are being created. Ed Zell Illinois Mutual Life (309) 636-0107 . CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system.
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
>> I am liking the USB port idea even more. How cool would it be to walk >> into a D/R site with just a couple of thumb drives in your pocket to >> restore your whole z/VM system? > I wonder if FlexCUB from Fundamental Software would allow this? > It is an Escon attached PC device which can emulate mainframe disk and > tape. Of course, then the DR vendor has to have one around. We are currently testing that exact procedure using our FLEX box. First we backup both VM and VSE data to faketape. We put them into a separate folder to identify what needs to go offsite. Then we run a utility written by John Weis at T3 that will encrypt and zip the faketape files and copy them over to a USB drive. Preliminary tests show we can take around 11-12 gb of faketape files and encrypt/zip them into about 3 gb on the USB drive in about 45 minutes. It is pretty slick, but then, we don't have all that much data to worry about either. As far as a FlexCUB, if you are running version 7, the faketape files can be automatically encrypted as they are being created. Ed Zell Illinois Mutual Life (309) 636-0107 . CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system.
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
A couple of "interesting" aspects of this "boot from the USB" idea The z10, which is where the "boot from DVD" is supported, comes with a HMC that has both the DVD and a couple of USB ports. USB is supported as an inport/export device for configuration files. The HMC runs Linux and Linux treats the DVD and USB in a very similar manner (from the user perspective). So "conceptually"(!) it should be a relatively simple move from booting from DVD to booting from USB. With 16, 32, and even 64 GB USB flash drives these days, there are all kinds of possibilities for having very portable systems. Mike Hammock - Original Message - From: "Edward M Martin" To: Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I am voting for the USB D/R tool. What type of requirement do we have to create? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I am liking the USB port idea even more. How cool would it be to walk into a D/R site with just a couple of thumb drives in your pocket to restore your whole z/VM system? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Alan Altmark Sent: Thu 6/18/2009 5:16 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? On Thursday, 06/18/2009 at 03:45 EDT, Dave Jones wrote: Alan, I said to simply document the procedurenot that the procedure itself was simple:-) I know what you said. :-) The procedure for building a DVD image includes tools that you don't have, so you would then ask for the tools. But the procedure and tools have value. And down the rabbit hole we go I KNOW how this story ends. :-) Maybe the good Dr. Boyes could write up and submit the requirement to WAVV? You could, but I would like to gently suggest that it isn't going to happen. If you want to be able to have a system that is recoverable from the DVD drive, then that is the requirement to levy. And since it is a function of backup/DR, it properly belongs to the backup products. But keep in mind that its all part and parcel of the larger requirement to get z/VM to support storage devices other than SCSI disk, ECKD, FBA, and 3590 tape. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
I am voting for the USB D/R tool. What type of requirement do we have to create? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:01 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? I am liking the USB port idea even more. How cool would it be to walk into a D/R site with just a couple of thumb drives in your pocket to restore your whole z/VM system? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Alan Altmark Sent: Thu 6/18/2009 5:16 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? On Thursday, 06/18/2009 at 03:45 EDT, Dave Jones wrote: > Alan, I said to simply document the procedurenot that the procedure > itself was simple:-) I know what you said. :-) The procedure for building a DVD image includes tools that you don't have, so you would then ask for the tools. But the procedure and tools have value. And down the rabbit hole we go I KNOW how this story ends. :-) > Maybe the good Dr. Boyes could write up and submit the requirement to > WAVV? You could, but I would like to gently suggest that it isn't going to happen. If you want to be able to have a system that is recoverable from the DVD drive, then that is the requirement to levy. And since it is a function of backup/DR, it properly belongs to the backup products. But keep in mind that its all part and parcel of the larger requirement to get z/VM to support storage devices other than SCSI disk, ECKD, FBA, and 3590 tape. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Huegel, Thomas > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:01 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? > > I am liking the USB port idea even more. How cool would it be > to walk into a D/R site with just a couple of thumb drives in > your pocket to restore your whole z/VM system? I wonder if FlexCUB from Fundamental Software would allow this? It is an Escon attached PC device which can emulate mainframe disk and tape. Of course, then the DR vendor has to have one around. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
> David also proposed, I thought, writing a requirement that we publish > the > procedure, as you suggested. THAT is what I was suggesting is a > non-starter. Not guilty, your honor. I was speculating that you could provide a PXEboot image that could boot from another source over the network, and let the other source worry about delivering the bits into the LPAR. Judging from the layout of that DVD, I don't think I own sufficient black chickens and assorted vestal virgins that seem to be needed to create such an animal. > Requirements against backup products would be more productive, I think. Since I seem to be the Designated Requirement Writing Dude at the moment, if someone really thinks this is useful, let's talk about this offlist. -- db
Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM?
> -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:17 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Using DVD to restore an existing z/VM? > > I know what you said. :-) The procedure for building a DVD image > includes tools that you don't have, so you would then ask for > the tools. > But the procedure and tools have value. And down the rabbit hole we > go I KNOW how this story ends. :-) And, from what I've seen, IBM does not like to give some things out to customers because it "freezes" what IBM can do in the future. Backward compatability is wonderful for customers and a royal pain for vendors as it can impact innovation. I wonder when/if Linux will ever suffer from the "can't change that, the customers would revolt" syndrome. > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM
Re: VM Operator not receiving
> > and op1 is receiving all messages when logged on when it's disconnected > it's not receiving. > > > > Why operator is receiving only when is connected? > > Sounds like you normally have PROP running there. So run the PROFILE > EXEC that will probably have the PROPST to start PROP. > > If not, what are you trying to do with SM OPERATOR ? > It's ok now. Exacly I use OP1 and PROP to grep some messages. The problem was only in SYSOPER. Thank you Tom -- Gotowka na koncie. Otworz konto direct i wez podwojny limit. http://link.interia.pl/f2145
