Re: permanent 40-50% difference between added cpu% of all guest machines and IND LOAD cpu%

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

The ttime and vtime count in ind user are always the same on this system 
- maybe a few seconds difference. But as the lpar1 is the only running 
lpar,- the other defined lpar is not operating -, the defined lpar 
weight (no capping) is not relevant. This lpar receives the complete 
processing power on this single cpu machine. Also the HMC activity 
display shows 100% cpu utilization and this graph shows the complete cpu 
utilization.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen



Eginhard Jaeger schrieb:

If it isn't using dedicated CPUs every VM system running in an LPAR can
have the same 'involuntary wait' problem as a VM running second level.
The point is, in both cases, that the system doesn't have 100% of a CPU
available but only the part LPAR management (or the higher CP level) let
it use. As Kris wrote you can calculate relative CPU utilization by 
dividing

the actually used CPU time
- by either elapsed time, yielding an absolute CPU utilization percentage
 that will depend only on the actual work done and the power of the CPU.
 This value can be reliably reproduced and is suitable for capacity 
planning
 and trend analysis. It will not tell you, on the other hand, how 
close to

 saturation the VM runs (when running with low priority and/or capped
 a system using 10 percent CPU may actually be using all the CPU power
 it is allowed to have).
- or by the total of *voluntary* wait time and actual CPU time, 
yielding a

 'logical' CPU utilization percentage that tells you right away how close
 to saturation the VM is running. This is nice, but since the value 
depends
 also on the priority and capping for the logical partition (or the 
virtual

 machine), and on the amount of contention for CPUs by other LPARs or
 virtual machines, the value does not reflect the actual work done by the
 VM system and is meaningless for capacity planning purposes.

That said, my recollection is that IND LOAD logic (which initially really
did show logical utilization) was changed quite some time ago to now
show absolute utilization based on elapsed time, and so display the same
numbers as most performance monitors. But I may be wrong: check the
IND LOAD command logic; the difference between absolute and logical
load would really be a nice explanation for what you see!

Eginhard Jaeger

Fran Josef Pohlen wrote:
the system is a z9 BC with zVM 5.3 in Lpar 1 as the only running 
system on the machine. No second level just a normal VM/VSE system, 
not something special. My colleague has told me, he had such a 
behaviour at another site some time ago and it was a defect channel, 
where VM tried a permanent recovery. Maybe that one of the converter 
channels or an osa has a problem. We will try to configure one 
channel after the other offline and see what will happen.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen



Kris Buelens schrieb:
My guess is that this VM system is second level (probably under 
LPAR, but a host VM would yield the same).
The involuntary CPU waits imposed by the first level (LPAR or CP) is 
not known to IND LOAD, it is taken as busy.  If the first level host 
decides your zVM gets e.g. 50% of the entire system, and this zVM 
want to use 50% or more: IND LOAD will display 100% busy as the zVM 
never places itself in voluntary wait.  Logically your zVM system is 
indeed 100% busy (it cannot execute more instructions than it 
currently does); physically it gets 50%.  And, if you sum up what is 
used in zVM, you will get at 50% indeed.


I don't know the HMC monitor enough to know if you can see logical 
and physical CPU busy for an LPAR.


When the entire system is not heavily loaded, and capping isn't 
turned on, then the difference between logical and physical CPU 
usage is small. Maybe this system got a bit more load making that 
the involuntary waits are no longer neglectable.


2008/11/24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>


There is no perfomance monitor. I had written a rexx procedure
which issues an IND USER for each machine every minute and
calculates from the difference to the value of the minute before
the cpu consumption for this single machine. IBM in Germany (in
Person Hans Joachim Ebert, meanwhile a retired VSE/CICS expert
from IBM Munich) has compared the values from my procedure with a
real monitor and it was nearly the same. The result of this
procedure is that the added cpu consumption of the measured users
is not more than 50%.

The main purpose for this procedure was to get an estimate of the
cpu usage if customers have no monitor. So unfortunately I cannot
look into details.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen



Rich Smrcina schrieb:

Do you have a performance monitor that can help you narrow
    down if a specific VSE machine is the culprit?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


   

Re: permanent 40-50% difference between added cpu% of all guest machines and IND LOAD cpu%

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

the system is a z9 BC with zVM 5.3 in Lpar 1 as the only running system 
on the machine. No second level just a normal VM/VSE system, not 
something special. My colleague has told me, he had such a behaviour at 
another site some time ago and it was a defect channel, where VM tried a 
permanent recovery. Maybe that one of the converter channels or an osa 
has a problem. We will try to configure one channel after the other 
offline and see what will happen.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen



Kris Buelens schrieb:
My guess is that this VM system is second level (probably under LPAR, 
but a host VM would yield the same).
The involuntary CPU waits imposed by the first level (LPAR or CP) is 
not known to IND LOAD, it is taken as busy.  If the first level host 
decides your zVM gets e.g. 50% of the entire system, and this zVM want 
to use 50% or more: IND LOAD will display 100% busy as the zVM never 
places itself in voluntary wait.  Logically your zVM system is indeed 
100% busy (it cannot execute more instructions than it currently 
does); physically it gets 50%.  And, if you sum up what is used in 
zVM, you will get at 50% indeed.


I don't know the HMC monitor enough to know if you can see logical and 
physical CPU busy for an LPAR.


When the entire system is not heavily loaded, and capping isn't turned 
on, then the difference between logical and physical CPU usage is 
small.  Maybe this system got a bit more load making that the 
involuntary waits are no longer neglectable.


2008/11/24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>


There is no perfomance monitor. I had written a rexx procedure
which issues an IND USER for each machine every minute and
calculates from the difference to the value of the minute before
the cpu consumption for this single machine. IBM in Germany (in
Person Hans Joachim Ebert, meanwhile a retired VSE/CICS expert
from IBM Munich) has compared the values from my procedure with a
real monitor and it was nearly the same. The result of this
procedure is that the added cpu consumption of the measured users
is not more than 50%.

The main purpose for this procedure was to get an estimate of the
cpu usage if customers have no monitor. So unfortunately I cannot
look into details.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen



Rich Smrcina schrieb:

Do you have a performance monitor that can help you narrow
down if a specific VSE machine is the culprit?

    [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello listers,

I have installed zVSE 4.1.1 und zVM 5.3 (Level 0703) at a
customer where we replaced vm/vtam with an additional 4th
zVSE machine with only vtam running for cross-domain
between three zVSE4 systems. Before the change of the
environment the customer was on zVSE 4.1.0. <http://4.1.0.>

The added cpu consumption of the running guests is between
40-50% but the IND LOAD and the activity on HMC shows
permanently between 85 and 100% cpu usage. This creates of
course massive performance problems.

I have no clue what process(es) may create this additional
load. We have restarted the zVM but it didn't help. If you
put e. g. a batch job on the zVSE the cpu load of the zVSE
rises as expected to 30-50% and the the vm load as
indicated by IND LOAD is between 85 and 100%. Except of
the production VSE the load of the other machines
including VM tcpip, FTPSERVE and any others can be almost
neglected (in sum below 10%).
There are no error msgs from hardware which could explain
such a behaviour.

For documentation I have attached the user direct entries
of the vse systems, the system config, the autolog profile
and the cms profile of the VSE systems.

Has anybody experienced such a behaviour of zVM and an
idea where to look for the error. I know that the IND LOAD
cpu value is rounded over a period of time, but I have
never seen a difference greater than 5 - 10% to the added
cpu% of the running systems.






--
Kris Buelens,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support

Re: permanent 40-50% difference between added cpu% of all guest machines and IND LOAD cpu%

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

There is no perfomance monitor. I had written a rexx procedure which 
issues an IND USER for each machine every minute and calculates from the 
difference to the value of the minute before the cpu consumption for 
this single machine. IBM in Germany (in Person Hans Joachim Ebert, 
meanwhile a retired VSE/CICS expert from IBM Munich) has compared the 
values from my procedure with a real monitor and it was nearly the same. 
The result of this procedure is that the added cpu consumption of the 
measured users is not more than 50%.


The main purpose for this procedure was to get an estimate of the cpu 
usage if customers have no monitor. So unfortunately I cannot look into 
details.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen



Rich Smrcina schrieb:
Do you have a performance monitor that can help you narrow down if a 
specific VSE machine is the culprit?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello listers,

I have installed zVSE 4.1.1 und zVM 5.3 (Level 0703) at a customer 
where we replaced vm/vtam with an additional 4th zVSE machine with 
only vtam running for cross-domain between three zVSE4 systems. 
Before the change of the environment the customer was on zVSE 4.1.0.


The added cpu consumption of the running guests is between 40-50% but 
the IND LOAD and the activity on HMC shows permanently between 85 and 
100% cpu usage. This creates of course massive performance problems.


I have no clue what process(es) may create this additional load. We 
have restarted the zVM but it didn't help. If you put e. g. a batch 
job on the zVSE the cpu load of the zVSE rises as expected to 30-50% 
and the the vm load as indicated by IND LOAD is between 85 and 100%. 
Except of the production VSE the load of the other machines including 
VM tcpip, FTPSERVE and any others can be almost neglected (in sum 
below 10%).
There are no error msgs from hardware which could explain such a 
behaviour.


For documentation I have attached the user direct entries of the vse 
systems, the system config, the autolog profile and the cms profile 
of the VSE systems.


Has anybody experienced such a behaviour of zVM and an idea where to 
look for the error. I know that the IND LOAD cpu value is rounded 
over a period of time, but I have never seen a difference greater 
than 5 - 10% to the added cpu% of the running systems.

Re: permanent 40-50% difference between added cpu% of all guest machines and IND LOAD cpu%

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello Edward,

There is no vm/vtam any longer. It is replaced by a vse system. All vse 
systems run with quickdsp on.
The share of the  vm users is in order vtam-vse (VSEC), production vse 
(VSEP), 2nd production VSE (VSEV) and test VSE (VSET).


What do you think should I try to change?

P.s. I have resent my problem description with the mentioned files in 
the body because it seems that the listserv ate my attachment.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen



Edward M Martin schrieb:

Hello Franz,

Please check the QUICKDSP of the VSE/VTAM system.

It seems to me that VTAM (any version) does some things that make z/VM
think that the system should be taken off the VM Dispatch list only to
be put back on almost immediately.

What was the setting on the VM/VTAM service machine?

Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
330-588-4723
ext 40441

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:41 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: permanent 40-50% difference between added cpu% of all guest
machines and IND LOAD cpu%

Hello listers,

I have installed zVSE 4.1.1 und zVM 5.3 (Level 0703) at a customer where

we replaced vm/vtam with an additional 4th zVSE machine with only vtam 
running for cross-domain between three zVSE4 systems. Before the change 
of the environment the customer was on zVSE 4.1.0.


The added cpu consumption of the running guests is between 40-50% but 
the IND LOAD and the activity on HMC shows permanently between 85 and 
100% cpu usage. This creates of course massive performance problems.


I have no clue what process(es) may create this additional load. We have

restarted the zVM but it didn't help. If you put e. g. a batch job on 
the zVSE the cpu load of the zVSE rises as expected to 30-50% and the 
the vm load as indicated by IND LOAD is between 85 and 100%. Except of 
the production VSE the load of the other machines including VM tcpip, 
FTPSERVE and any others can be almost neglected (in sum below 10%).

There are no error msgs from hardware which could explain such a
behaviour.

For documentation I have attached the user direct entries of the vse 
systems, the system config, the autolog profile and the cms profile of 
the VSE systems.


Has anybody experienced such a behaviour of zVM and an idea where to 
look for the error. I know that the IND LOAD cpu value is rounded over a


period of time, but I have never seen a difference greater than 5 - 10% 
to the added cpu% of the running systems.


  

permanent 40-50% difference between added cpu% of all guest machines and IND LOAD cpu%

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello listers,

I have installed zVSE 4.1.1 und zVM 5.3 (Level 0703) at a customer where 
we replaced vm/vtam with an additional 4th zVSE machine with only vtam 
running for cross-domain between three zVSE4 systems. Before the change 
of the environment the customer was on zVSE 4.1.0.


The added cpu consumption of the running guests is between 40-50% but 
the IND LOAD and the activity on HMC shows permanently between 85 and 
100% cpu usage. This creates of course massive performance problems.


I have no clue what process(es) may create this additional load. We have 
restarted the zVM but it didn't help. If you put e. g. a batch job on 
the zVSE the cpu load of the zVSE rises as expected to 30-50% and the 
the vm load as indicated by IND LOAD is between 85 and 100%. Except of 
the production VSE the load of the other machines including VM tcpip, 
FTPSERVE and any others can be almost neglected (in sum below 10%).

There are no error msgs from hardware which could explain such a behaviour.

For documentation I have attached the user direct entries of the vse 
systems, the system config, the autolog profile and the cms profile of 
the VSE systems.


Has anybody experienced such a behaviour of zVM and an idea where to 
look for the error. I know that the IND LOAD cpu value is rounded over a 
period of time, but I have never seen a difference greater than 5 - 10% 
to the added cpu% of the running systems.


--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

Re: How to define dynamically DS8000 dasds with cuadd 01

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Thanks Kris,

the path parameter is synonym with chpid. You were right, when I entered 
the command in the sequence below it worked


cp def cu B000 type * unitadd 00-8e cuadd 01 path b0 C0 D0 E0   
Control unit configuration change completed successfully
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 13:46:48 


Probably the cuadd was interpreted as a chpid and therefore rejected.

Thanks again and have a nice day.

Franz Josef

Kris Buelens schrieb:

The erro looks simply like a syntax error.
- The online help (z/VM 5.3) doesn't describe a PATH parameter
- Maybe CUADD needs to be specified before PATH?

2008/10/22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi listers,
>
> I want to define dynamically DS8000 DASDs to my zvm 5.2. I have used the
> following command and got the response that the cuadd is invalid
>
> cp def cu B100 type * unitadd 00-8e path b0 C0 D0 E0 cuadd 01
> HCPZPM002E Invalid operand - CUADD
> Ready(2); T=0.01/0.01 13:18:40
>
> The first cu with cuadd 00 I could be defined without the cuadd operand as
> you can see below.
>
> cp def cu B000 type * unitadd 00-8e path b0 C0 D0 E0
> Control unit configuration change completed successfully
> Ready; T=0.01/0.01 13:18:08
>
> But now I need definitely the cuadd 01 operand.  If I cannot use it for
> devices that are not on cuadd 00, it would be useless for today's storage
> systems. So I hope that I make a mistake which one of you can explain to me.
>
> Thanks in advance !!
>
> --
> kind regards
> Franz Josef Pohlen
>



  

How to define dynamically DS8000 dasds with cuadd 01

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi listers,

I want to define dynamically DS8000 DASDs to my zvm 5.2. I have used the 
following command and got the response that the cuadd is invalid


cp def cu B100 type * unitadd 00-8e path b0 C0 D0 E0 cuadd 01
HCPZPM002E Invalid operand - CUADD
Ready(2); T=0.01/0.01 13:18:40

The first cu with cuadd 00 I could be defined without the cuadd operand 
as you can see below.


cp def cu B000 type * unitadd 00-8e path b0 C0 D0 E0
Control unit configuration change completed successfully
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 13:18:08

But now I need definitely the cuadd 01 operand.  If I cannot use it for 
devices that are not on cuadd 00, it would be useless for today's 
storage systems. So I hope that I make a mistake which one of you can 
explain to me.


Thanks in advance !!

--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

DS8000 and CUADD

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi listers,

a customer has told me, that he has defined controlunits 0 - 7 on his 
DS8000. According to this I have defined CUADD=0 to CUADD=7 for 
CNTLUNITs. We didn't get the volumes online.


Now I got a lslcu list of the DS8000 configuration which showed the 
following:


dscli> lslcu 

Date/Time: 21. Oktober 2008 14:54:40 CEST IBM DSCLI Version: 5.2.410.333 
DS: IBM.2107-75DNNM1
ID Group addrgrp confgvols subsys conbasetype 

= 

B0 0 B 143 0x0001 3990-6 

B1 1 B 143 0x0002 3990-6 

B2 0 B 143 0x0003 3990-6 

B3 1 B 143 0x0004 3990-6 

B4 0 B 142 0x0005 3990-6 

B5 1 B 142 0x0006 3990-6 

B6 0 B 142 0x0007 3990-6 

B7 1 B 142 0x0008 3990-6 



I think I must configure CUADD=B0 to CUADD=B7.

Is this correct?

--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

Re: z/VM 5.2.0 on z10

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

zvm 5.3 is really stable system. If you would plan to go to 5.4, I could 
understand your mangement, because it's really new. 5.3 has major 
improvements on e. g. vswitch (link aggregation for example). So I would 
run the new systems on 5.3 or do you have problems with "most of your 
other systems"?


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


O'Brien, Dennis L schrieb:

Is anyone running z/VM 5.2.0 on a z10?  I know it's supported (with
PTF's).  I want to know if customers are actually running it.  My
management wants us to build some new systems to host Linux guests on
z/VM 5.2.0, even though most of our other systems are on 5.3.0.  They
want stability, and one of the ways they attempt to get stability is by
staying behind and hoping other sites will find problems first.  I'm
concerned that if we're the only ones running the combination of z/VM
5.2.0 and z10, that we will find those problems first.

   Dennis O'Brien

We are Borg of America.  You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.

  

Re: question to backup of osa-icc settings

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Alan,

when I do the export the message appears that the ftp connection failed. 
I just cannot give you the exact message, cause it's a customer machine 
and I'm not always there. On September 8th. I'm again at another 
customer with the same problem where I can try it and give you the exact 
message. Because of the ping behaviour I have thought that it is a 
routing problem. Must the nat bridge explicitly be switched on or should 
it run by default or must perhaps the firewall be configured?


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Alan Altmark schrieb:
On Friday, 08/29/2008 at 10:53 EDT, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I want to backup OSA-ICC settings to an ftp server. the HMC has one
address in the company's lan and the other adapter connected to the
support elements lan. The support elements have no connection to the
company's lan but a route to it over the hmc. On the ftp server I have
configured a route to the support elements lan also over the hmc. I can
ping the hmc ip address of the support elements lan but not the support
element itself. The reverse connection from the support elements works
also only up to the company's lan ip address of the hmc but not to the
ftp server. So I 'm sure that the hmc is not able to route the packets.
I have also enabled the routed in the network customization of hmc and
support element but this had no effect. Is there a way to let the hmc
act as a router for the support elements? I have attached a text file
with a little picture of the network environment.



I assume you're trying to "Export source file via FTP" in OSA-ICC Advanced 
Facilities.  What error are you getting?


IIRC there is a NAT bridge in the HMC to handle any needed SE 
communications and you do not need (or want!) any IP routing changes to 
use the Export via FTP function.  Since the FTP is initiated from the SE 
via OSA-ICC AF the HMC will open the NATted port.  (There are firewalls in 
the HMC to protect itself and the HMC-SE LAN.)


Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

  

question to backup of osa-icc settings

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi listers,

I want to backup OSA-ICC settings to an ftp server. the HMC has one 
address in the company's lan and the other adapter connected to the 
support elements lan. The support elements have no connection to the 
company's lan but a route to it over the hmc. On the ftp server I have 
configured a route to the support elements lan also over the hmc. I can 
ping the hmc ip address of the support elements lan but not the support 
element itself. The reverse connection from the support elements works 
also only up to the company's lan ip address of the hmc but not to the 
ftp server. So I 'm sure that the hmc is not able to route the packets. 
I have also enabled the routed in the network customization of hmc and 
support element but this had no effect. Is there a way to let the hmc 
act as a router for the support elements? I have attached a text file 
with a little picture of the network environment.

--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen
,---,
no ping ! FTP server!
  >>>LAN 172.17.0.2 >>>-!
  !!!   !
  !! route to 182.158.0.0/255.255.0.0   !   !
  !!   over 172.17.2.51 !   !
  !''   !
  !!!
  ! --  !
  ! ! company's lan  !  !
  ! ! 172.17.0.0/255.255.0.0 !  !
  ! --  !
  !!!
  !!!
  !,,   !
  ! ping works ! HMC!   !
  !--->>>LAN 172.17.2.51!   !
  !!!   !
  !! ping works !   !
  !! LAN 182.158.10.100 <<--!---!
  !''   !
  !   ! !
  ! --- !
  ! ! support element's lan   ! !
  ! ! 182.158.0.0/255.255.0.0 ! !
  ! --- !
  !!!
  !,,   !
  !! Support Element   no ping  !   !
  -<

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Re: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES Listserve)

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Jim, 

it looks like you have a Mac user to deal witharen't they a pain? :-)

Windows record termination: x'0d0a'
Unix record termination: x'0a'
Mac record termination: x'0d'

So simply ban the use of Macs there and your problem is solved.

DJ

Original Message:
-----
From: Hughes, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:13:24 -0400
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES
Listserve)


A previous file I encountered uses '0A' as the record delimiter. This
whackjob file uses '0D' as the record delimiter.

I have the '0d0a' and '0a' cases covered. Now I need to programmatically
deal with '0d' as the delimiter too.

 
Jim Hughes
603-271-5586
"Its kind of fun to do the impossible." (Walt Disney)


=>-Original Message-----
=>From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
=>Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=>Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:07 AM
=>To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
=>Subject: Re: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES
=>Listserve)
=>
=>Hi, Jim.
=>
=>Looks like you have been bitten by the different ways Windows and Unix
=>terminate records in ASCII files.Windows uses the convention of
'cr-
=>lf'
=>(x'0d0a') while Unix uses a single 'cr'.
=>
=>You could simply edit the ASCII file on your PC, using and editor that
can
=>saveASCII files in either Windows or Unix format. On Windows, I use
=>notepad++, an open source editor (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net)
to
=>fix these sorts of things.
=>
=>Godd luck.
=>
=>DJ
=>
=>Original Message:
=>-
=>From: Hughes, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=>Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:32:10 -0400
=>To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
=>Subject: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES
Listserve)
=>
=>
=>I download files to our Z/VM system in binary. The files on the
windows
=>ftp server are in ascii.
=>
=>Then I run a PIPE to deblock the file and convert to ebcidic.
=>
=>Here is a snippet:
=> address command "PIPE ( endchar ? )" ,
=>"<" !workfile   " | " ,
=>" deblock linend 0a   | " ,
=>" strip both 0d 1 | " ,
=>" xlate from 819 to 1047  | " ,
=>" change x00 / /  | " ,
=>" strip trailing  | " ,
=>
=>This works fine when the records are delimited by '0d0a' or '0a'.
=>
=>Last night I received a file whose records are delimited by '0d'.
Things
=>broke because the file wasn't deblocked properly.
=>
=>I am having a hard time visualizing how to cope with records delimited
=>by '0d' and not mess up what I already have.
=>
=>Advice??
=>
=>
=>Jim Hughes
=>603-271-5586
=>"Its kind of fun to do the impossible." (Walt Disney)
=>
=>
=>
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Re: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES Listserve)

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Hi, Jim.

Looks like you have been bitten by the different ways Windows and Unix
terminate records in ASCII files.Windows uses the convention of 'cr-lf'
(x'0d0a') while Unix uses a single 'cr'.

You could simply edit the ASCII file on your PC, using and editor that can
saveASCII files in either Windows or Unix format. On Windows, I use
notepad++, an open source editor (http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net) to
fix these sorts of things.

Godd luck.

DJ

Original Message:
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From: Hughes, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:32:10 -0400
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: PIPELINES and Deblocking(Cross posted in CMSPIPELINES Listserve)


I download files to our Z/VM system in binary. The files on the windows
ftp server are in ascii.

Then I run a PIPE to deblock the file and convert to ebcidic.

Here is a snippet:
 address command "PIPE ( endchar ? )" ,
"<" !workfile   " | " ,
" deblock linend 0a   | " ,
" strip both 0d 1 | " ,
" xlate from 819 to 1047  | " ,
" change x00 / /  | " ,
" strip trailing  | " ,

This works fine when the records are delimited by '0d0a' or '0a'.

Last night I received a file whose records are delimited by '0d'. Things
broke because the file wasn't deblocked properly.

I am having a hard time visualizing how to cope with records delimited
by '0d' and not mess up what I already have.

Advice??

 
Jim Hughes
603-271-5586
"Its kind of fun to do the impossible." (Walt Disney)



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Re: Best method

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   Say smsgusr msg   
 
  
   Call EXIT 16
 

 
 
  
/**/
/* Cleanup and Exit.  Logoff if the Service Machine is not Connected. */
/**/
EXIT:   
 
   
   Arg src . 
 
  
   If src = '' Then src = 0  
 
  
   'DROPBUF' bufnum  
 
  
   'CP SET SMSG OFF'  
 
 
   'WAKEUP RESET'   /* Cleanup IUCV Environment */   
   
   Say ''  
 

   Say LOGMSG('End  ' ename etype'...')
 
   display = (SubStr(Diag(24,-1),13,1) = 0) 

   If \display Then  
 
  
  Do  
 
 
 Say ename 'RC='src   
 
 
 'CP LOGOFF'  
 
 
  End  
 

   Exit src


:AUTHIDS REXX: 
/**/
/*AUTHIDS REXX*/
/* REXX PIPELINE subroutine to support "wildcard", (last character is */
/* an asterisk (*)), matching for Authorization checking.  If a match */
/* is found, the record containing the match is output.  If no match  */
/* is found, a blank record is output.  The userid to be matched must */
/* be specified as a parm to this routine and the userid in the   */
/* records must be the first word in the record.  */
/**/
AUTHIDS:  
 
 
   Signal On Error   
 
  
   blank = ' '   
 
  
   Arg chkid .
 
 
   Do Forever
 
  
  'PEEKTO REC' /* Get Record */ 

  Parse Var rec authid .   
 

  If chkid = authid Then Call VALID   
  
  If Right(authid,1) = '*' Then
 

 Do 
 
   
authid = Strip(authid,'T','*')  

l = Length(authid)  
 
   
If Left(chkid,l) = authid Then Call VALID  
 
 End 
 
  
  'READTO' /* Consume Record */
     
   End /* Do Forever */ 
 
   
 
 
  
ERROR:   
 
  
   Signal Off Error  
 
  
   src = rc
 

   'OUTPUT' blank   
 
   
   Exit src*(src<>12)  
 

 
 
  
VALID:   
 
  
   Signal Off Error  
 
  
   'OUTPUT' chkid   
 
   
   Exit rc*rc<>12

:RDRWAIT AUTHIDS:
THISIDThis ID is Authorized
THATIDThat ID also
VMBAT0*   All VM:Batch Worker Machines

Dale R. Smith

"It's just a simple matter of programming."
- Any boss who has never written a program 
 
 

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:10:26 -0700, Wakser, David 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>All:
>
>   What is the best method to code, for a SVM, a wait for a file to
>arrive in its reader?
>
>   I have a (very old) EXEC that has a "do forever" loop with a
>"EXECIO * CP (STEM" aa. "STRING CP Q RDR * ALL" command followed by a
>SLEEP when no files are found. Is there a better method of "waking up"
>an EXEC when a RDR file arrives?
>
>   Thanks, in advance.
>
>David Wakser
>
=
===

Re: creating an alternate z/VM res and spool pack

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David,

it's easier than you might think.

I have done it several times with this procedure in user maint

1. attach new volumes to maint
2. copy all 530res, (if mod 3 530w01,530w02), 530pag and 530spl to new 
volumes with DDR. You can of course also restore them from a backup.
3. CPFMTXA device-of-530res 530rs1 LABEL (530rs1 is the new label of the 
new 530res disk), analog for all other volumes

4. Q MDISK 191 LOC
   This shows the location of the maint 191 on 530res.
5. DEF MDISK 111 startcyl-of-step4 size-of-step-4 530rs1 (The MAINT user 
must have OPTION DEVMAINT in user direct when using this command.)

   AC 111 T
   X USER DIRECT T
   C /530RES/530RS1/**   (or whatever new label you have set in step3), 
analog for all other volumes

  save the changes
   DIRECTXA USER DIRECT T (The DIRECTORY statement in the new USER 
DIRECT must point also to the new res. Because it is not the active res 
it is only updated on disk, not made online)

6. Q MDISK CF1 LOC
7. DEF MDISK 111 startcyl-of-step6 size-of-step-6 530rs1
   AC 111 T
   X SYSTEM CONFIG T
   C /530RES/530RS1/**   (or whatever new label you have set in step3), 
analog for all other volumes
   eventually changes of the consoles, but this can also be overwritten 
with the standalone loader
   eventually changes of user_volume_include list etc. This depends if 
you want to start the new vm in 2nd level or lpar. In 2nd level the 
system sees only the volumes which you define to the user, in lpar it 
sees all the volumes it is allowed to by iocds.

   save the changes
8. ready to take IPL. You must do a FORCE start at first IPL

Hope this helps.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Juarez, David T. schrieb:


We just unloaded z/VM 5.3 and would like to create an alternate RES 
and spool pack. Current names are 530RES and 530SPL. Does someone have 
simple procedures to create alternate res and alternate spool volumes 
so we can IPL off the alternates and leave the original res and spool 
untouched. The Guide for Automated Installation and Service shows how 
to backup the Res and saved system and segments but the SPXTAPE 
utility implies you want to restore to the current spool volume not an 
alternate.  Also is anyone using symbolics in system config and/or the 
user directory like we do in z/OS parmlib?  Thanks.


 


David T. Juárez

Department of Veterans Affairs

IT Specialist

 

Re: PRIROUTER question

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I think, we shouldn't waste time in discussing Shimon's font settings. I 
have put his picture through the clipboard into my editor and the 
"picture" was in fixed font. This was an effort of about 5 seconds.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Schuh, Richard schrieb:

If you have such a reader, then maybe the whole note needs to be in a
fixed font. Not pretty for those who have Bronze Age readers instead of
ones from the Stone Age, but workable. It is a choice between beauty
(for most) and utility (for all). :-)

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

  

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:51 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: PRIROUTER question

But Richard, we are asked not to use markup in mail addressed 
to the list as some people don't use HTML capable readers.  
Pleasing both groups seems impossible.


2008/6/26 Schuh, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I do not have the answer, but I do have a suggestion. When 
  
you make drawings like below, use a fixed font such as 
Courier or Courier New. It makes them look so much better - 
and clearer.


+-LPAR A--+-LPAR B---+
| +---+   | +---+|
| | X |   | + Y +|
| +---+   | +---+|
|||| |
|+|+ |
|| VM | VM | |
+-+--+
   | OSA |
   +-+

Regards,
Richard Schuh






From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
  
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


On Behalf Of Shimon Lebowitz
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:19 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: PRIROUTER question

Hi,
I am not sure about something and would like confirmation.
Assuming this setup:
+-LPAR A--+-LPAR B---+
| +---+   | +---+|
| | X |   | + Y +|
| +---+   | +---+|
|||| |
|+|+ |
|| VM | VM | |
+-+--+
   | OSA |
   +-+
VM TCPIP in LPAR A: 10.0.0.7
VM TCPIP in LPAR B: 10.0.0.12
Virtual machine X in LPAR A: 10.1.4.2
Virtual machine Y in LPAR B: 10.1.3.2
Our network routes requests for 10.1.4.2 to 10.0.0.7, which is 
connected to X via a virtual CTC.
Machine X has 10.0.0.7 as its default gateway, so all of 
  
its traffic, 


in and out, is via 10.0.0.7.
Now I was asked to do the same thing with a virtual machine 
  

in LPAR B:


1) to set the default gateway in machine Y to 10.0.0.12
2) to connect VM TCPIP to machine Y with a VCTC
3) to have the network route traffic for 10.1.3.2 to 10.0.0.12
   so that VM's TCPIP at 10.0.0.12 will send it on to 10.1.3.2.
My problem is that I *think* I understand that the OSA will 
  
not agree 

to do this, since the VM host on LPAR A has the OSA defined as 
PRIROUTER and on LPAR B it is defined as NONROUTER.

So, my questions here are:
1) Can the task requested be done, or will NONROUTER prevent
VM in LPAR B from getting the packets for 10.1.3.2?
2) If #1 is in fact a problem, how can it be solved WITHOUT going
to VSWITCH?  Is there such a solution?
Thanks,
Shimon

--

  

**
**


Shimon Lebowitz    mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM System Programmer   .
Israel Police National HQ.
Jerusalem, Israel  phone: +972 2 542-9877  fax: 542-9308

  

**


**
  


--
Kris Buelens,
IBM Belgium, VM customer support




  

Re: PRIROUTER question

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Shimon,

the prirouter parameter is used if there is a packet routed to the osa 
with an address not known in the oat. If you are using zvm 4.3+ (or 
4.4+) + qdio osa and you cannot use vswitch I would use the PROXYARP 
parameter in the ASSORTEDPARMS, but this works only if you have the ip 
address of the system x or y in the same net of the zvm osa. You must 
then define a host route to the x - ip address over the corresponding 
ctc adapter of your zvm A, analog for zvm B . PROXYARP loads then all 
the host routes into the oat to the correct devices and if there comes a 
packet for system x it is routed to the device of zvm A.


Your config should look like this (mask class B assumed).

osa vm A 10.0.0.7
ctc vm A 10.0.1.1
ctc sysX 10.0.1.2
host route vm A 10.0.1.2 over 10.0.1.1
default route vm A as-is
default route sysX 10.0.1.1

osa vm B 10.0.0.12
ctc vm B 10.0.1.3
ctc sysY 10.0.1.4
host route vm B 10.0.1.4 over 10.0.1.3
default route vm B as-is
default route sysY 10.0.1.3

The keypoint for PROXYARP is that the ip addresses of VM A+sysX and VM 
B+sysY are in the same net.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Shimon Lebowitz schrieb:

Hi,
I am not sure about something and would like confirmation.

Assuming this setup:
+-LPAR A--+-LPAR B---+
| +---+   | +---+|
| | X |   | + Y +|
| +---+   | +---+|
|||| |
|+|+ |
|| VM | VM | |
+-+--+
   | OSA |
   +-+

VM TCPIP in LPAR A: 10.0.0.7
VM TCPIP in LPAR B: 10.0.0.12
Virtual machine X in LPAR A: 10.1.4.2
Virtual machine Y in LPAR B: 10.1.3.2

Our network routes requests for 10.1.4.2 to 10.0.0.7,
which is connected to X via a virtual CTC.
Machine X has 10.0.0.7 as its default gateway, so all
of its traffic, in and out, is via 10.0.0.7.

Now I was asked to do the same thing with a
virtual machine in LPAR B:
1) to set the default gateway in machine Y to 10.0.0.12
2) to connect VM TCPIP to machine Y with a VCTC
3) to have the network route traffic for 10.1.3.2 to 10.0.0.12
   so that VM's TCPIP at 10.0.0.12 will send it on to 10.1.3.2.

My problem is that I *think* I understand that the OSA
will not agree to do this, since the VM host on LPAR A
has the OSA defined as PRIROUTER and on LPAR B
it is defined as NONROUTER.

So, my questions here are:
1) Can the task requested be done, or will NONROUTER prevent
VM in LPAR B from getting the packets for 10.1.3.2?
2) If #1 is in fact a problem, how can it be solved WITHOUT going
to VSWITCH?  Is there such a solution?

Thanks,
Shimon


--

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VM System Programmer   .
Israel Police National HQ.
Jerusalem, Israel  phone: +972 2 542-9877  fax: 542-9308

Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Yes, Adam is quite correct, the new install procedures for z/VM (at least
for the past couple of releases) does employ an undocumented FTP PIPE
stage. I don't know if the "put" command is implemented, but the "get"
command is there.

Since the FTP stage is a bit of IBM programming, I can't send it out to
external sites; you'll have to license z/vM to get a copy. I have
requested, informally, the IBM Endicott document this stage, but so far, no
luck.

DJ

Original Message:
-----
From: Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:00:08 -0500
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location


On Jun 18, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Michael Coffin wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> Holy Cow!  A 3 MONTH recovery window?!?!?  I don't think I've ever  
> come
> across such a "generous" recovery window, most companies would be  
> out of
> business in 3 months without access to their mission-critical systems.
> :)
>
> On another note, has anyone ever come across an FTP stage for the CMS
> PIPE command?  Someone on the LINUX-390 listserv suggested there might
> have been one once upon a time..


Well, in the z/VM installation from, uh, version 5.1 forwards, I  
think, there's the Install From DVD option, which uses an undocumented  
pipe stage to transfer track images and reassemble them.

If you look at the INSTDVD exec you can see how it works.  It's  
undocumented, but it's been stable for a while, so it probably isn't  
going anywhere, but at your own risk, etc.

Adam



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Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location

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Tom, you,re closethe real name is VM/Encrypt-Tape; more information
about it can be found here:
http://www.vsoft-software.com/products.html

Mike, the amount of CPU cycles VM/Encrypt-Tape consumes is a function of
the zSeries processor it runs on. If the processor supports the (new)
KM/KMC instrunctions for the encryption algorithm you want to use,
VM/Encrypt-Tape will use that hardware to do the encryption (very fast). If
the processor does not support the KM/KMC instrunctions for the choosen
algorithm, then it falls back to a software implementation of the
encryptioon algorithm. As an example, the z990 has hardware sypport for the
AES algotithm with a key size of 128 bits, while the new z10 hardware
supports AES with a key size up to 256 bits. 
If you request a AES 256 bit key length encryption operation on a z990,
VM/Encrypt-Tape will do it in the software, on a z10, it will do it in the
hardware. 

What this means is that tapes can be moved back and forth between
production and DR sites without the requirement that both sites have the
same types of hardware tape encryption devices and support software (IBM,
third party, etc.) installed. It's very flexible

Thanks for the kind words, too.

DJ 
Original Message:
-
From: Michael Coffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:01 -0400
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location


Hi Tom,

Yep, we were also looking at Dave's VM/Encrypt product and I REALLY
loved what I saw, but we didn't have the cycles available on the IBM
2066-0B1 to use it in production.  Then it was "decided" that the TS1120
would be the "approved means" of encrypting mainframe tapes so.. :(

-Mike

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Thomas Kern
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:03 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: DDR'ing 3390 DASD To Remote Location


I have looked at your Backup/Recovery code, quite extensive.

1) With the use of a software encryption product (I think it is
currently called VM/Encrypt, Dave, help), and a modified PIPEDDR, I was
able to write encrypted backup tapes and restore them at our DR exercise
last summer. Just about when DOE decided on a hardware only solution.

2) So true. I was actually thinking of a PIPEDDR type server to run at
both sides of a DR connection, that acted like a backup server at
production, with scheduled jobs that fired off workers to read each
minidisk, full-volume, snapshot volume and send compressed data across
the net to the recovery server at the hotsite which would fire off
workers to receive each stream and write the data back to disk. I was
thinking of a VM based server but it could be a linux server with some
VM workers to handle snapshot requests and SVM shutdown/xautolog
requests from a linux scheduler. But both would require more effort than
I can give it. (Anyone got a product development team that needs some
work?)

/Tom Kern
/U.S. Dept of Energy
/301-903-2211


On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:49:39 -0400, Michael Coffin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Hi Tom,
>
>Yep, I have that all covered.  This is actually a DR process that I 
>developed about 8 years ago (and have been improving over the years) 
>that is a complete "soup to nuts" system, automating both the backups 
>AND the recovery.  The system assumes a "worst case scenario" where 
>computer center is gone, and all of the people having detailed 
>knowledge of the system are likewise "gone", it allows someone with 
>virtually no knowledge about the specifics of the system being 
>recovered and very minimal mainframe knowledge to fully recover the 
>system.  When we conduct DR drills we typically recruit a management 
>type that has minimal computing skills and little specific knowledge 
>about the system (someone we affectionately refer to as the "monkey 
>boy", with the understanding that a slightly trained monkey could 
>actually complete this task) to actually conduct the recovery.  The 
>programming staff provides no input to the "monkey boy", instead taking

>notes of anything in the documentation that they found unclear and/or 
>any technical problems that may arise.  The entire process is 
>menu-driven and pretty slick (including a Recovery Monitor that reports

>what each DDR slave is doing, what's it's ETA to completion of the 
>current task is, what the total ETA to full system recovery is, the 
>ability to quiesce and restart slaves/streams/devices, etc.).
>
>In 2006 there was a massive flood in Washington DC that required 
>implementation of this DR Plan.  I'm pleased to say it worked without a

>hitch, and from the time we got the green light to start spinning tapes

>we were back up in running in something like 3 or 4 hours (I think

Re: can the cpu model be obtained from the HMC panel

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

thank you to all who have responded. I have found the information also 
on HMC version 2.9.2 at the same place. (Single object operations -> 
Right-click on CPC-Icon -> CPC Details -> Product information)


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Feller, Paul schrieb:

 We run version 2.10 of the HMC code.  Under it I can go to the CPC
details, from there to product information.  Under product information
there is a "model capacity" which show the software model of the box.


Paul Feller 
AIT Mainframe Technical Support 



-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:27 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: can the cpu model be obtained from the HMC panel

Hi listers,

is there a way to get the cpu model from an HMC panel? I have searched
this on a 2096, but I only got the 2096 S07 on the "View Hardware
Configuration". But the performance model of this machine was R01, out
of the contract which I have asked for afterwards. But I would be
interested, if I could find this information also on the HMC directly. I
had several times asked customers which model they have and they didn't
know it.
--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

  

can the cpu model be obtained from the HMC panel

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi listers,

is there a way to get the cpu model from an HMC panel? I have searched 
this on a 2096, but I only got the 2096 S07 on the "View Hardware 
Configuration". But the performance model of this machine was R01, out 
of the contract which I have asked for afterwards. But I would be 
interested, if I could find this information also on the HMC directly. I 
had several times asked customers which model they have and they didn't 
know it.

--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

Re: JAVA and Z/VM

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello Martin,

neither VSE/ESA nor zVSE support JAVA itself. There is the so called vse 
connector connector client which are java classes to connect to vse 
resources like VSAM files from outside, if you have configured and 
started the connector server on vse. Applications like vse navigator or 
vtape server use these java classes.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Edward M. Martin schrieb:


Hello Mike,

 

 Thank you for the input.  z/OS and VSE/ESA (z/VSE) now support 
JAVA.  I just thought z/VM should too.


I will check with CA.

 


Ed Martin

330-588-4723

ext 40441



*From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*On Behalf Of *Michael Donovan

*Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:44 PM
*To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
*Subject:* Re: JAVA and Z/VM

 


Ed,

The Java and NetRexx support discussed in the redbook, *VM/ESA Network 
Computing with Java and NetRexx*, was discontinued before z/VM 5.1.0 
became generally available. The level of Java had become very 
outdated. If you want and need Java support, you should be looking at 
running it from a Linux guest.


Thanks!
Mike Donovan

Re: DDR to a second level system

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

ddr copies everything, you don't need to format the dasds.

kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Edward M. Martin schrieb:


Hello Everyone,

 

 I have some very new volumes that I am going create another 
second level machine.


Do I always have to CP FORMAT the new volumes before I do a DDR ALL?  
Or does the DDR all


Copy all the formatting?

 


 Just wondering.

 


Ed Martin

330-588-4723

ext 40441

 

Re: curious behaviour of DDR Restore

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

ok, let's end the philosophic discussion, wether that is an error or 
not, but thank you for opening the internal problem. My customer has zVM 
5.3 but no extended support. So I will not open a pmr on it. I will pay 
attention to do all things correctly in case of fire.


Thank you to all who have responded and have a nice last working day and 
an even nicer weekend afterwards. ;-)


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Alan Altmark schrieb:
On Thursday, 04/17/2008 at 07:36 EDT, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

ok, your objection is principally correct, but first the message you
mentioned appears always also when you restore a cylinder range from a
530RES DDR DUMP to a correctly defined minidisk with RESTORE xxx TO yyy
REORDER 0. So this message ist not necessarily a problem. In fact it
appears very often and if you restore multiple DASDs or mdisks I'm sure
everyone will enter the PROMPT OFF and put the necessary commands in a
DDR PARM file.



If you get HCP725D (or HCP699I with PROMPTS OFF) when a RESTORE or COPY 
fits on the target volume with no truncation, with or without REORDER, 
that would be a bug (IMO, of course).


Given a source disk of 5 cyls:
COPY ALL REORDER x  fails with a syntax error
COPY 0 TO 4 REORDER 1  (to a 5 cyl target) fails
COPY 0 TO 3 REORDER 1  (to a 5 cyl target) works
COPY 0 TO 4 (or ALL) to a smaller volume gives HCP725D
COPY 0  to a smaller valume gives HCP725D
COPY (anything) to a smaller volume gives HCP725D

I don't like HCP725D being displayed when DDR can perform the requested 
operation with no truncation.  (Of course, if all the things I don't like 
in the world were fixed, what would I do?  :-) )


But I wouldn't call it in unless I was on a supported level of VM.  I 
don't think an extended support contract on z/VM 4.4 covers this.  Sorry. 
I've opened an internal problem report on this.  If Development agrees 
that there is a problem that needs to be fixed, it will find its way into 
a future release.


  

But the main reason why I think that DDR should abend or
at least give a return code other than zero is, that when you RESTORE
ALL to a minidisk which is too small, the only result can be garbage.



I don't agree.  DDR should not make value judgements on your RESTORE or 
COPY commands.  It should simply tell you if it cannot do as you asked. If 
you choose to ignore the warning, well, that's not an issue with DDR.


Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

  

Re: curious behaviour of DDR Restore

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Richard, such a behaviour with the low returncode (4 or so) I would 
think to be correct. Then it would be easier to check the status with a 
rexx procedure,


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Schuh, Richard schrieb:

Not quite true. If there is no MDISK defined to include the omitted high
cylinders, the results will be perfectly good and usable. ABEND would be
a hostile act in this case. At worst, DDR should end with a low return
code and a message saying that n cylinders were not copied due to the
discrepancy.

Regards, 
Richard Schuh 

 

  

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:36 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: curious behaviour of DDR Restore

Alan,

But the main reason why I think that DDR 
should abend or at least give a return code other than zero 
is, that when you RESTORE ALL to a minidisk which is too 
small, the only result can be garbage. 



  

Re: curious behaviour of DDR Restore

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Jim, I think there is a misunderstanding. What I meant is, that the 
mdisk started at physical cylinder 1 on the dasd. I din't mean the 
cylinder 1 of the minidisk.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Jim Bohnsack schrieb:
Franz--Perhaps what you are seeing as a problem is related to your 
first posting where you said:

 I thought all
mdisks started at physical cylinder 1 so I defined the mdisk 
accordingly
in the USER DIRECT, but this volume was historically a fullpack 
minidisk
at the original site. 

Mdisks don't start at cylinder 1.  They start at cylinder 0.
Jim

Re: curious behaviour of DDR Restore

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Alan,

ok, your objection is principally correct, but first the message you
mentioned appears always also when you restore a cylinder range from a
530RES DDR DUMP to a correctly defined minidisk with RESTORE xxx TO yyy
REORDER 0. So this message ist not necessarily a problem. In fact it
appears very often and if you restore multiple DASDs or mdisks I'm sure
everyone will enter the PROMPT OFF and put the necessary commands in a
DDR PARM file. But the main reason why I think that DDR should abend or
at least give a return code other than zero is, that when you RESTORE
ALL to a minidisk which is too small, the only result can be garbage. If
the user wants in fact only a cylinder range to be restored he should
enter RESTORE xxx TO yyy REORDER z. But also this cylinder range must be
available on the output device.

kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Alan Altmark schrieb:
On Monday, 04/14/2008 at 01:58 EDT, Franz Josef Pohlen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
  

I have found ou a curious behaviour with DDR Restore. If had the
following situation. I have backed up a VSE volume with DUMP ALL. At the
test recovery site I have restored it with RESTORE ALL. I thought all
mdisks started at physical cylinder 1 so I defined the mdisk accordingly
in the USER DIRECT, but this volume was historically a fullpack minidisk
at the original site. I would have expected that the restore will abend
with the last cylinder not being written, but DDR told me that cylinder
0 to 3337 was restored and dump ended with RC=0. The only thing which
you could see was the message that source device is larger than input
device, but this message appears also if you restore a 50 cyl cms mdisk
from a 530RES DDR dump with RESTORE xxx TO yyy to a correctly defined 50
cyl. mdisk. So this cannot be seen as an error message.



It's not an error since you explicitly give permission by saying "YES" or 
by using PROMPTS OFF.  And if you offset the restore after of the original 
dump point, then the source is definitely larger than the target.


  

I have tested it
for demonstration with a dump of a 5 cyl mdisk and restored it with
RESTORE ALL to a 4 cyl mdisk. My problem is that the customer has no
support contract with IBM. I would say this is a defect and want to open
a PMR on it, but my customer is surely not willing to pay for that if
IBM says that's no defect for whatever reason.



There is no defect.  DDR is doing exactly what you told it to do.  I call 
your console log to the witness stand:

HCPDDR725D SOURCE DASD DEVICE WAS (IS) LARGER THAN OUTPUT DEVICE
DO YOU WISH TO CONTINUE?  RESPOND YES OR NO:
yes

The defense rests.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

  

curious behaviour of DDR RESTORE ALL

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

@moderator: Sorry, I have sent the message first with the wrong sender 
email. Please delete the mail with the wrong address.


Hi listers,

I have found ou a curious behaviour with DDR Restore. If had the 
following situation. I have backed up a VSE volume with DUMP ALL. At the 
test recovery site I have restored it with RESTORE ALL. I thought all 
mdisks started at physical cylinder 1 so I defined the mdisk accordingly 
in the USER DIRECT, but this volume was historically a fullpack minidisk 
at the original site. I would have expected that the restore will abend 
with the last cylinder not being written, but DDR told me that cylinder 
0 to 3337 was restored and dump ended with RC=0. The only thing which 
you could see was the message that source device is larger than input 
device, but this message appears also if you restore a 50 cyl cms mdisk 
from a 530RES DDR dump with RESTORE xxx TO yyy to a correctly defined 50 
cyl. mdisk. So this cannot be seen as an error message. I have tested it 
for demonstration with a dump of a 5 cyl mdisk and restored it with 
RESTORE ALL to a 4 cyl mdisk. My problem is that the customer has no 
support contract with IBM. I would say this is a defect and want to open 
a PMR on it, but my customer is surely not willing to pay for that if 
IBM says that's no defect for whatever reason. I would be interested in 
Alan's opinion what I should do. I have attached the log of my above 
mentioned test which you can easily repeat.


--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen
13:49:00 z/VM Version 5 Release 3.0, Service Level 0703 (64-bit),   

built on IBM Virtualization Technology  

13:49:00 There is no logmsg data

13:49:00 FILES:   NO RDR, 0002 PRT,   NO PUN

13:49:00 LOGON AT 13:49:00 MES TUESDAY 04/08/08 

13:49:00 GRAF  0A00 LOGON  AS  POHLEN   USERS = 8   

z/VM V5.3.02008-02-05 14:42 

13:49:00 Standard PROFILE EXEC running ...  

DMSERS002E File * NETLOG A not found

DMSACR723I P (SFS1:REXXPROC.) R/O   

DMSVML2060I TCPMAINT 592 linked as 0592 file mode W 

13:49:00 Standard PROFILE EXEC ended

13:49:01 PROFUSER EXEC running ...  

13:49:01 PROFUSER EXEC ended

 Pohlen: Ready; T=0.32/0.50 13:49:01

13:49:08 SP CON START * 

13:49:11 B  

13:49:19

CP Q TA 

13:49:19 An active tape was not found.  

13:49:25 ATT 181 *  

13:49:25 TAPE 0181 ATTACHED TO POHLEN 0181  

13:49:30 TERM MODE VM   

b   

 Pohlen: Ready; T=0.01/0.01 13:49:32

def t3390 111 5 
   

Re: listing active user directory

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi Kris,

I now have also a FORMAT EXEC, which rejects to format certain 
minidisks, such as MAINT 191, MAINT CF1 and so on. Other thing which has 
happened to me, was to shutdown the wrong of two VMs at 11am. Since then 
I disable with AUTOLOG1 the CP SHUTDOWN at IPL and have an exec, which 
checks if the VSE systems are logoff, otherwise it does no shutdown.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Kris Buelens schrieb:

I did the same 25 years ago: at 10PM, just before starting the 1h
drive home, quickly added a new userid to please the customer, wanted
to format this new 191 and entered FORMAT 191 Z  used to the
prompts that always come one enters YES...Needless to say I wasn't
home around 11PM

But, since then I've got a FORMAT EXEC on my tools disk that gives a
very different message when formatting a minidisks that can be
ACCESSed.

2008/3/10, Franz Josef Pohlen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

thanks Kris an Rob for your valuable hints. With the mentioned tools I will 
check the directory against the source.

 Rob, don't worry, I'm familiar with this stuff. It was only a bit late and I 
was tired when I formatted the Maint 191. I wanted to format a temp disk but I 
entered the wrong device instead. (Sh... happens)

 kind regards

 Franz Josef



  

Re: problem with shared file system consistency

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Kris,

thank you for your explanation, you are right. I didn't get in real 
trouble with it. I have found it out at a customer's system accidently 
while I showed him the SFS-locking. He then tried directly the FTP. If 
you use ftp with its own userid then it works as expected with the 
message "file sharing conflict".


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Kris Buelens schrieb:

I guess the userid in the FTP session is the same as the one Xediting
the file in which case  SFS is right permitting the overwrite.  The
same problem happens when Xediting user submits a batch job: the batch
worker machine can update the file.  Or, when using remote  SFS your
userid can update that file from another VM system.

This is why it is **very** bad practice to use FF (FFILE) or SS
(SSAVE) as standard XEDIT command in lieu of FILE and SAVE.  When the
Xedited file was updated by something else, XEDIT's FILE command will
tell "file already exists..."

2008/3/8, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

Hi listers,

 I like to use the shared file system in cms instead of the standard
 minidisks. Now I have a problem with the file locking and I want to ask
 you if this might be only a configuration or a real software bug. I have
 first created a file on SFS and afterwards re-edited it to lock the
 file. When I try to xedit the file from another user the I get the
 correct message "DMSXFI1215E File Y Y T1 is locked UPDATE by another
 user". But while editing the file I can overwrite it with ftp without
 problems. I assume, this is a bug, but I want to make sure before
 opening a pmr.


 --
 kind regards
 Franz Josef Pohlen






  

problem with shared file system consistency

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi listers,

I like to use the shared file system in cms instead of the standard 
minidisks. Now I have a problem with the file locking and I want to ask 
you if this might be only a configuration or a real software bug. I have 
first created a file on SFS and afterwards re-edited it to lock the 
file. When I try to xedit the file from another user the I get the 
correct message "DMSXFI1215E File Y Y T1 is locked UPDATE by another 
user". But while editing the file I can overwrite it with ftp without 
problems. I assume, this is a bug, but I want to make sure before 
opening a pmr.


--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

Re: something with tn3270 and ssl

[Strasser, [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

One option is to use "logoff hold" instead of logoff. The "hold" option
keeps the connection up, and typically you get a new session as soon as
you hit enter. This works on both encrypted and unencrypted tn3270 and
even line mode telnet, and is much faster than the reconnect option in
most terminal emulators.

 

  Victor

Victor Strasser  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
VM and Linux Support Unit 
California Department of Technology Services 
Phone: 916-464-4522 

 



From: Huegel, Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: something with tn3270 and ssl

 

I have a little question that has been on my mind for a while.

 

I have tried this with several tn3270 emumaters and the result is the
same.

 

When I telnet to a standard non-secured port, and later logoff my
session returns to the VM LOGO sign-on screen.

 

BUT

 

If it is a SSL secured port that I telnet to, when I logoff I get this:

 

CONNECT= 29:49:25 VIRTCPU= 000:00.69 TOTCPU= 000:00.78
LOGOFF AT 14:21:54 CST THURSDAY 02/28/08  
  
Press enter or clear key to continue   

 

But ANY key I hit just locks the keyboard.

 

I have to close the session and start a new one.

 

The same is true for DISCONNECT and UNDIAL..

 

Is that how it is supposed to work? 

 

 

SSL Server with two IP stacks?

[Strasser, [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

We are installing z/VM 5.3 and the SSL Server. I could use some help
with a few items.

 

1.  We can't find any place to tell SSL Server that our TCP/IP
machine isn't named "TCPIP". 
2.  Can a single SSL Server svm work with more than one stack
machine, or do we have to create one for each IP stack?
3.  We want to support both encrypted and unencrypted TN3270
sessions; can one stack do it, or are two required?

 

Thanks,

  Victor

Victor Strasser  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
VM and Linux Support Unit 
California Department of Technology Services 
Phone: 916-464-4522

 

Re: DB2/VSE&VM V7.50 Manuals

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> BTW, will there be a Diagnosis Guide for 7.5?

Tom:

I asked on ibm.software.db2.vse-vm on news.software.ibm.com.
However, I think the answer may be no as I don't believe this was
updated for 7.3.

Jim

No subject

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

From: Tom Duerbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DB2/VSE&VM V7.50 Manuals

> BTW, will there be a Diagnosis Guide for 7.5?

Tom:

I asked on ibm.software.db2.vse-vm on news.software.ibm.com.
However, I think the answer may be no as I don't believe this was
updated for 7.3.

Jim

Re: Question about IBM seminar

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> So, IBM's "Extending your Mainframe for More Business Value" is
> coming to St. Louis on Feb. 12.

> There look to be some interesting talks; how do I find out
> who's delivering them?

Adam:

I sent you the agenda with speakers "off-line".

Jim

Re: DB2 7.5 manuals

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I take it, from previous posts, that no one has found the new
> manuals for DB2 7.5.

Tom:

The DB2 for VSE & VM pubs are now online at:
http://ibm.com/support/search.wss?rs=66&tc=SSEPFB&rank=8&dc=DA410+DA450&dt

Watch for any line wrap on the URL.

Jim

LOOKAT

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> After entering a message number and choosing a platform,
> nothing happens when I press the Go button. I tried submitting
> a feedback to report the problem and got a "Page cannot be
> displayed" message when I pressed the Submit button. Perhaps
> someone who is internal o IBM will have better luck.

Richard:

It works fine for me with Firefox. It does launch a new page.
Do you have pop-ups blocked?

I have reported the lack of z/VM 5.3 messages to the page owner.

Jim

Undocumented Messages?

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

HCPSWU2843E , HCPSWU2831E and HCPSWU2830I

I found them all documented in the z/VM 5.3 CP Messages and Codes.
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/hcsb4b20.pdf

Jim

Re: DB2 7.5 manuals

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I take it, from previous posts, that no one has found the new
> manuals for DB2 7.5.

I have asked ID development in the Toronto Lab where the 7.5 pubs
are online.

Jim

Re: need a z890, cheap?

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> Not to mention the cost of getting it certified, and the
> ongoing cost of powering it up. Ouch.

And not to mention that the z890 has been withdrawn from
marketing (effective Dec 31, 2007) except for LIC (i.e.
microcode) updates which are withdrawn effective June 30, 2008.
In other words, you take the box as is. Now some of the parts are
worth more than the box. For example, you can take many of the
I/O cards and use them in a z9 (IBM will certify for a fee). The
32GB memory module alone is worth the price is you have a z890
with 8GB or 16GB, even with the IBM certification fee!

Jim

Re: Ordering Service

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> What I am after is the 2107device bucket for z/VM 5.2.0 at
> service level 0701.

Richard:

The buckets are available at http://www.ibm.com/support/us/en/.
Simply enter the bucket (i.e. 2107device) into the search field.
For storage, look for Upgrade 2107DEVICE, Subset 2107VM/ESA

Jim

Re: Ordering Service

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

Richard:

> It has been so long since I had to do it. What is the current
> method of ordering service for electronic delivery? I just
> tried to order an upgrade following what seemed a logical path
> and got the message:

The easiest way to order service (assuming you know the PTF
number) is at http://ibm.com/software/shopzseries.

Jim

Re: z/VM 5.3 FLIST

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> We have recently moved to z/VM 5.3 from z/VM 3.1. We are
> getting lots of complaints about the FLIST command. The command
> entry area has changed from 20 bytes down to 7 bytes. Yes, I
> know about PF11, but you used to be able to enter quite a few
> commands within the 20 bytes. Does anybody know if/how to
> change it back?

Peter:

Somewhere between z/VM 4.4 and z/VM 5.3 the format changed from
using 5 bytes for LRECL, 10 bytes for records and 8 bytes for
blocks to 10 bytes for each of these. This is hardcoded into the
program so while you could modify it, you are risking breakage.
Your users may have to get used to hitting PF11. I got in this
habit years ago for every command so I did not notice the change.
Interesting that they did not change the length for LRECL in
FILELIST, just in FLIST. Of course using FILELIST is an option
as it does not impose the entry restriction of FLIST.

Jim

Re: Simple pipelines question

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> If the length were 80 bytes and you really want to delete
> records of 81 or more bytes, use "... | nlocate 81 | ...'

Richard: Thanks, that is what I was looking for.

Jim

Simple pipelines question

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

I have been out of using pipes for too long.

I need to process a file (parsing the data) but 1st I need to
delete all records from the input stream longer than a certain
length. How do I do this in pipes?

Jim

Sharing emulated dasd beween two VMs on separate FLEX boxes

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

(cross posted to flex-es list)

Hi listers,

I want to write from flex-es box 2 to emulated dasds owned by flex-es
box 1. I cannot find an example how to define it in the tserver.cfgs.
Can anybody provide me with an example how to build such an environment
on both flex-es sides. The reason is that I want to copy the production
dasds directly to the backup machine by DDR over the night.

Thanks in advance
--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

Re: IBM's Next Generation Mainframe Processor

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> If you haven't already seen this, it's worth a look. It's a
> presentation by Charles Webb of IBM on the next IBM mainframe
> processor, the z6. (Don't ask me where "6" came from.) The
> thing that stood out for me was the 4GHz processor speed, but
> of course there's lots of other very good stuff as well.
> http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/decimal/IBM-z6-mainframe-microprocessor-Webb.pdf

Mark:

A few important things to note:

1) z6 is the name for the chip, not the name of the next
generation mainframe.

2) This is a presentation on the processor and SMB hub chips in
the next generation mainframe, not on the total package.

3) The cycle time is 4GHz+ and just as with MIPS, GHz is a
"meaningless indicator of processor speed".

4) This is an assumption on my part, but the z6 name be due to
some parts of the chip being derived from Power 6 (e.g. the DFU).

Jim

Re: z/VM COBOL compiler

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> Look here:
> http://ibm.com/eserver/zseries/zos/le/history/cobmvs.html

> According to this table, it is still supported for VM, but was
> long ago withdrawn from marketing.

Ray:

That web page is somewhat misleading. The product has been
withdrawn from marketing and service only on OS/390 (z/OS).

COBOL for OS/390 and VM (5648-A25) V2R2 is still be marketed and
serviced for VM. Here is the info from the sales manual.

* IBM COBOL for VM 2.02.0 (5648-A25)
* IBM COBOL for OS/390 2.02.0 (5648-A25)
  (No Longer Available as of February 02, 2002)
  (Service Discontinued as of December 31, 2004)
* IBM COBOL for VM 2.01.0 (5648-A25)
  (No Longer Available as of September 29, 2000)
* IBM COBOL for OS/390 2.01.0 (5648-A25)
  (No Longer Available as of September 29, 2000)
  (Service Discontinued as of December 31, 2004)

Jim

Hardware microcode

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> Wonders never cease! After two years, someone wants to buy our
> old MP3000/H30.

> And they asked a question, that got us concerned...

> Does it have the microcode with it?

Yes, the MP3000 has LIC (Licensed Internal Code). This is both
the code running on the SAP (System Assist Processor) and the
OS/2 based code running on the Intel processor (effectively the
HMC/SE function but also I/O driver code).

> Well, right now it does, but should it? Is the microcode, which
> is licensed by IBM, licensed to the box, or to the customer? Is
> it transferable?

LIC is part of the box, and moves with the box if the box is sold
or otherwise transferred.

> All the internal dasd was formatted over. Should the OS/2 dasd
> been formatted over also?

You should NOT format over the OS/2 disk. This is where the LIC
resides and just as on any other IBM mainframe you don't touch
this part of the system.

> We don't want to be in violation of some agreement that no one
> actually reads .

I would suggest that you make sure they get maintenance on the
MP3000 so they get any service (LIC or otherwise) which would
also cover any hardware (e.g. disk drive) failures!

Jim

Re: IBM Releases Office Desktop Software at No Charge

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> IBM Releases Office Desktop Software at No Charge to Foster
> Collaboration and Innovation

> http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/22326.wss

> Cross-posted - Thought it worthy of our attention! Plus the
> price is right.

Bob:

These are editors that are in Notes 8, separated out as a
stand-alone package. Note that these are ODF compliant tools
which are based on OpenOffice.org version 1 with enhancements. If
you are looking for the latest and greatest in ODF compliance go
with OpenOffice.org version 2. The one thing Symphony and Notes 8
has that OO v2 does not is import/export for Lotus SmartSuite
formats. However, given the recent announcement of IBM's joining
OpenOffice.org I would hope to see convergence of these two
products.

Jim

Re: ordering z/vm via shopzseries

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

Lionel:

> I just experienced shopzseries for the first time. To say it
> was interesting is an understatement.

If a user has a problem or question related to their ShopzSeries
experience, they should use the contact information on the
Customer service page to get support.

> I used it to order z/vm 5.3 and found I was able to select it
> on DVD but then when it asked for media options it only allowed
> 2 which were both tape.

As you know, we deliver z/VM through a package offering, which is
the VM/SDO. While the z/VM operating system is available for
delivery on DVD, no other items within the VM/SDO are available
on DVD. If an order is placed for the z/VM operating system on
DVD, and any other deliverable within the VM/SDO is included in
the order, the customer will have to select a tape media. Every
VM/SDO order includes the SDO Enabling Aid. The enabling aid can
only be delivered on tape media, which we suspect is the cause of
requirement for a tape media for the order placed on ShopzSeries.

> Is there a way to order the base z/VM and maintenance
> electronic and if so how?

Service for z/VM can be ordered via ShopzSeries and will be
delivered electronically.

> If there is a DVD ordering option why doesn't the media option
> reflect that ? very strange.

Jim

Re: How to insert zvse4 installation tapes without barcode label on 3953/3584 library

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Of course, the problem is independent of the operating system you want 
to install. The problem is not the standard label written on the tape 
but barcode label on the cartridge. The library does not check the 
written magnetic SL on the tape when importing it. In my case the 
customer has opened in parallel a pmr on the hardware and they gave the 
same explanation that I gave here on the list. The local IBM service guy 
will give the customer some barcode labels which he can stick on the 
cartridge and everything is fine. The easiest way for IBM to solve the 
problem is to put a barcode label  on each cartridge per default like 
ZVM531, 532 and so on or VSE411, 412 , ZOS191, 192, ... At the worst 
case the customer has such a label in his library, - which I don't 
really believe -, and he has to eject these cartridges, import the 
installation cartridges, copy these cartridges to own ones and reimport 
the original ZVM-, VSE- or ZOS- labeled cartridges. The other 
possibility is to give the library the functionality in the microcode to 
import unlabeled cartridges like it was on the 3494. If IBM doesn't give 
the customer one of these possibilities they can soon begin to stop 
creating cartridges as the 3584/3953 libraries will more and more 
replace the 3494 installations and deliver the software only on CD/DVD. 
As this is currently possible on z/VM and z/VSE it is not on the 
self-defined "Mercedes" of IBM, z/OS. This has surely something to do 
with the amount of data (at least 6 3390-3) and the lack of a kind of 
virtual tape server as in VSE to read directly from AWS simulated tape 
files.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Alan Altmark schrieb:
On Friday, 08/24/2007 at 07:44 EDT, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Thank you to all who have responded. Let's hope, that IBM will either
put labels on future installation cartridges or make it possible to
mount unlabeled cartridges on the 3584 library.



What did the z/VSE Support Center say when you asked them?  I can tell you 
that z/VM does not ship SL tapes and so would not have a volser 
machine-readable external label.


According to the brochure for 3592s, the barcode label is required to load 
the tape in an IBM tape library.


Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

  

Re: How to insert zvse4 installation tapes without barcode label on 3953/3584 library

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I have found in the redbook that there is a so called Manual Mode, which 
is normally used for the service personnel to put the accessor in 
parking position and stop mounting of cartridges or in case of an error 
with the accessor. I have suggested to try this and mount the cartridge 
manually directly into the drive and copy the tape. I think, this should 
work.


Thank you to all who have responded. Let's hope, that IBM will either 
put labels on future installation cartridges or make it possible to 
mount unlabeled cartridges on the 3584 library.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Rich Greenberg schrieb:

If you know the format of the barcode, perhaps you can print an
acceptable one on a gummed label and stick it on the cart.

  

Re: How to insert zvse4 installation tapes without barcode label on 3953/3584 library

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

we knew this option on the 3494. Before we had also this library. You 
can insert an unlabeled cartridge into the 3584 library but the 9353 
library manager will reject it. It has no longer the options you 
mentioned from the 3494.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Mark Pace schrieb:
I don't know about those 2 devices, but, the 3494 has 2 different 
methods for that.  Your devices may have something similar.

Insert unlabeled tape.
Standalone drive mounting from the input station.

--
Mark Pace
Mainline Information Systems 

How to insert zvse4 installation tapes without barcode label on 3953/3584 library

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

*** cross posted to VM and VSE list ***

Hi listers,

one of my customers has a 3584 library with 3592 drives. He has ordered 
the zVSE 4 on 3592 tapes and got cartridges without barcode label. Now 
he has a problem to insert the cartridges into the library because of 
the following fact which I have read in the TS3500 redbook.


Unlabeled cartridges and cartridges with unreadable external VOLSER 
labels are not
supported by the 3953 Tape System. Even though the TS3500 Tape Library 
supports
unlabeled or unreadable external labels for Open Systems hosts, this 
does not apply to

System z attachment.

As he has no other tape system he asked me now how to get the cartridges 
into the library. Has anybody of you solved such a situation before? Is 
it perhaps possible to mount the tape manually on the drive?


Any hints are welcome, thanks in advance.
--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

Re: 2007 Order of the Knights of VM

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

My congratulations as well to all of the new Companions!

Jim Elliott
Sir Jim the Evangelist

Re: applying VM RSU maint - CPLEVEL

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Mark,

you are right, I have forgotten to mention this.

kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Mark Pace schrieb:
On 8/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


Don't do the manual commands. Instead attach the tape to maint, define
stor to at least 64 meg and enter the command SERVICE ALL. After the
service has been applied, enter PUT2PROD ALL. These 2 commands do all
necessary things.

The single pretty complicated VMSES commands were necessary on
older vm
releases.

kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen

Be cautious with PUT2PROD ALL,  this will take down your TCPIP stack.  
Be sure to do this during a down time, and try not to be logged on the 
a TCPIP session when you do this.


--
Mark Pace
Mainline Information Systems 

Re: applying VM RSU maint - CPLEVEL

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Don't do the manual commands. Instead attach the tape to maint, define 
stor to at least 64 meg and enter the command SERVICE ALL. After the 
service has been applied, enter PUT2PROD ALL. These 2 commands do all 
necessary things.


The single pretty complicated VMSES commands were necessary on older vm 
releases.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:


List,

i have RSU tapes to update my VM 4.4 system.
following the service guide, i am doing the steps to prepare for 
service refresh.

when i issue the VMFPSU ZVM CPSFS
i get this output:
vmfpsu zvm cpsfs
VMFPSU2760I VMFPSU processing started
VMFPSU1077I Comparing tables 4VMVMB40 VVT$PSU$ A and 4VMVMB40 VVTVM H
VMFPSU1071I There are 0 PTFs on the Recommended Service Upgrade for
PRODID 4VMVMB40%CP that are not currently
applied.
VMFPSU1074I There are no PTFs on the Recommended Service Upgrade to be
applied for PRODID 4VMVMB40%CP. Continue with
the next product.
VMFPSU1070I Creating 4VMVMB40 PSUPLAN file at service level RSU-0401 for
component CPSFS in PPF ZVM.
VMFPSU2760I VMFPSU processing completed successfully

this is puzzling since the RSU document says that z/VM CP 4.4.0 has 
level 0601 on it


but a q cplevel says that i am at 0403:

z/VM Version 4 Release 4.0, service level 0403 (64-bit)
Generated at 01/12/06 14:50:57 CST

how do i get to 0601 ?

prg

Phillip Gramly
Systems Programmer
Communications Data Group
Champaign, IL 

Re: question to guest lan type qdio and zos 1.5

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Alan,

the rsu level of the zvm 5.3 is 0701. This systems runs on a t-server. 
But I think that this cannot be an issue because everything is virtually 
built by zvm so the hardware shouldn't be an issue or could it make 
sense to test the same scenario on a real  z-machine. Is it possible 
that zos needs an additional option in user direct. Currently there are 
the same options than on a vse 2.7 which works fine with the virtual 
qdio. What I know definitely is that this zos has formerly worked with a 
real osa qdio in an lpar on a 9672. So I would say there shouldn't be 
missing ptfs on the zos side.


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


Alan Altmark schrieb:
On Sunday, 08/12/2007 at 10:13 EDT, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hi listers,

I have a problem in setting up the guest lan for a zOS 1.5 on my zVM
5.3. With a VSE 2.7 guest it works perfect but not with the zOS.

The messages while starting the tcpip device are the following:

15.00.37 MVS1   v tcpip,,start,glanqdio
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ0060I PROCESSING COMMAND: VARY TCPIP,,START,
GLANQDIO
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ0053I COMMAND VARY START COMPLETED 


SUCCESSFULLY
  

15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ4308I ERROR: CODE=8010002A DURING ACTIVATION
OF DEVICE GLANQDIO. DIAGNOSTIC CODE: 02
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03010  IST1631I TRL0E00 SUBCHANNEL 0E01 QDIO DEVICE 


TYPE
  

NOT OSD

I have defined the devices in HCD as CHPID 01 OSD and devices as OSA. I
have attached a text file with the complete config (HCD, TCPPROF,
VTAM-TRL Guestlan/NIC-defs). In the mail body it is sometimes a bit
difficult to read the lines because of the line breaks. I think I have a
mistake somewhere or I miss something. I've checked already the
archives, but the related items didn't lead me to the solution. What I
don't understand is, that it complains about E01 not to be a QDIO
device. I think that zVM should simulate that to the guest and on zOS I
have defined it as OSA Express as you can see in the file.



I didn't see anything wrong, but make sure you are current with CP and 
z/OS Comms Server service.  I would be tempted to call the Support Center 
(Comms Server) and explain the problem.  As you say, the virtual NICs are 
QDIO.


Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

  

question to guest lan type qdio and zos 1.5

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi listers,

I have a problem in setting up the guest lan for a zOS 1.5 on my zVM 
5.3. With a VSE 2.7 guest it works perfect but not with the zOS.


The messages while starting the tcpip device are the following:

15.00.37 MVS1   v tcpip,,start,glanqdio
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ0060I PROCESSING COMMAND: VARY TCPIP,,START,
GLANQDIO
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ0053I COMMAND VARY START COMPLETED SUCCESSFULLY
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ4308I ERROR: CODE=8010002A DURING ACTIVATION
OF DEVICE GLANQDIO. DIAGNOSTIC CODE: 02
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03010  IST1631I TRL0E00 SUBCHANNEL 0E01 QDIO DEVICE TYPE
NOT OSD

I have defined the devices in HCD as CHPID 01 OSD and devices as OSA. I 
have attached a text file with the complete config (HCD, TCPPROF, 
VTAM-TRL Guestlan/NIC-defs). In the mail body it is sometimes a bit 
difficult to read the lines because of the line breaks. I think I have a 
mistake somewhere or I miss something. I've checked already the 
archives, but the related items didn't lead me to the solution. What I 
don't understand is, that it complains about E01 not to be a QDIO 
device. I think that zVM should simulate that to the guest and on zOS I 
have defined it as OSA Express as you can see in the file.


If anybody could help me, it would be great.

Thanks in advance
--
kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen
messages when device is started

15.00.37 MVS1   v tcpip,,start,glanqdio
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ0060I PROCESSING COMMAND: VARY TCPIP,,START,
 GLANQDIO
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ0053I COMMAND VARY START COMPLETED SUCCESSFULLY
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03011  EZZ4308I ERROR: CODE=8010002A DURING ACTIVATION
 OF DEVICE GLANQDIO. DIAGNOSTIC CODE: 02
15.00.38 MVS1 STC03010  IST1631I TRL0E00 SUBCHANNEL 0E01 QDIO DEVICE TYPE
 NOT OSD
-

HCD definitions

1. chpid definition


   Goto  Filter  Backup  Query  Help
 - .- Change Channel Path Definition --.
   !   !
 C !   !
   ! Specify or revise the following values.   !
 S !   !
   ! Processor ID . . . . : PROC9672   !
 P ! Configuration mode . : LPAR   !
 C ! Channel Subsystem ID :!
 C !   !
   ! Channel path ID  . . . . 01+PCHID . . . ___   !
   ! Channel path type  . . . OSD   +  !
 / ! Operation mode . . . . . SHR   +  !
 _ ! Managed  . . . . . . . . No   (Yes or No)   I/O Cluster   +   !
 c ! Description  . . . . . .  !
 _ !   !
 _ ! Specify the following values only if connected to a switch:   !
 _ !   !
 _ ! Dynamic entry switch ID  __  + (00 - FF)  !
 _ ! Entry switch ID  . . . . __  +!
 _ ! Entry port . . . . . . . __  +!
 _ !  F1=Help F2=SplitF3=Exit F4=Prompt   F5=ResetF9=Swap  !
 _ ! F12=Cancel!
 _ '---'
 _ 0BCNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon Channel
 _ 14BLREC   __   __ __   No   Parallel 3174 OS31
 _ 15BLREC   __   __ __   No   Parallel
 _ 16BLREC   __   __ __   No   Parallel
 _ 18CNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 19CNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 1ACNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 1BCNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 1CCNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 1DCNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 1ECNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 1FCNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 20CNC   REC   __   __ __   No   CTC R3APSRV2
 _ 21CNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 22CNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
 _ 23CNC   SHR   __   __ __   No   Escon
  F1=Help  F2=Split F3=Exit  F4=PromptF5=Reset F7=Backward
  F8=Forward   F9=Swap F10=Actions  F11=Add  F12=Cancel   F13=Instruct
 F20=RightF22=Command

2. CU Definition

 Select Processor / CU
 .-- Change Control Unit Definit

Re: FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux...

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> Well this worked earlier today. Don't know why it's not working
> now. http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/21945.wss

We are experiencing timeouts on the gateway servers which
front-end much of the IBM web sirte. The response to this
announcement has been huge and the server includes videos
discussing the announcement. I suspect people downloading the
videos are causing some of this problem.

Jim

Re: what kind of OSs can be installed into Z/VM?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

current versions zVM can run on any z/Architecture capable hardware. 
There are several linuxes available (SUSE, Redhat and others)You can 
install any linux for zseries under z/vm and the traditional system 
software VSE, zOS and TPF.


There are many downloadable books for linux and z/vm, called redbooks on 
ibm's site http://www.redbooks.ibm.com . Goto redbook domains, ibm 
system z and search for "linux" or "z/VM".


One book is e. g. Running Linux on IBM System z9 and zSeries under z/VM 

The link to this book is 
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246311.html?Open


kind regards
Franz Josef Pohlen


legolas wood schrieb:

Hi
Thank you all for reading my post
Can some one please point me to a book which explains about Z/VM and 
also tell me what kind of OSs can be installed into Z/VM? A book that 
explain basics that a new user needs.


For example does any linux like ubuntu can be installed or just 
specific kind of linux can?


Thanks

Re: PIPEDDR

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

For some reason, IBM doesn't want to make TERSE available to VM 
customers.  You used to be able to order a package on IBMLINK called QSEN
D 
that was supposed to be used to pack VM dumps before sending them to the 

support center, (back in the days when that was a frequent event :-)> ). 
 
QSEND is basically TERSE shipped as QSEND MODULE instead of TERSE MODULE.
  
I say it is/was basically the same as TERSE, except that the DETERSE 
MODULE for VM could not DETERSE a file created with QSEND, (IBM wanted it
 
to be a one way thing).  I found out that the output created by QSEND was
 
different from TERSE by only one byte!  (The first byte.)  I figured out 

how to ZAP DETERSE so that it would work with QSEND files as well as 
TERSEd files.  I don't know if you can still order QSEND for VM on IBMLIN
K 
or not, (it is not a PTF, you had to order it as a package called QSEND).


Dale R. Smith
Persona Non Grata

Re: Trouble with COPYFILE to shorten Record

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Since you only seem to be interested in the first 13 bytes of each record
, 
you could also try using the XEDIT Width option, i.e. XEDIT TXJIM FILELIS
T 
A (W 13  This will Xedit only the first 13 bytes of each record and will 

require a lot less virtual storage.  By default, Xedit trys to allocate a
 
buffer that is big enough to hold the longest record as well as all of th
e 
records in the file, (4920 * 169).  I have used this technique for files 

that have a few very large records that causes Xedit to attempt to 
allocate an extremely large buffer, when I am only interested in the firs
t 
72 bytes of each record, for example.

Dale R. Smith
Persona Non Grata

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:08:19 -0400, Stracka, James (GTI) 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I am trying to copy a file with the LRECL option to shorten it.
>
>e.g.
>
>Filename Filetype Fm Format LreclRecords
>TXJIMFILELIST A0 V169   4920
>
>COPYFILE TXJIM FILELIST A SORTER FILELIST A (LRECL 13
>
>I expected the result to be a file with LRECL 13 but it is:
>
>Filename Filetype Fm Format Lrecl
>SORTER   FILELIST A0 V169
>
>I need to do this soon.  The file is too big to use XEDIT in a 2G
>machine.
>
>Anybody have a PIPE to do this.
>
>Note:  The real file is hexadecimal data, not text.
>
>Jim
>

FW: IOS3270 Manual or documentation

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I note with amazement that the manual is dated May 14, 1907.

Yes, I was not going to figure out how to fix Bookie for y2k. I hard
coded the date in the file (it was last updated on May 30, 1989) and
replaced the PDF on the web site.

Jim

Re: IOS3270 Manual or documentation

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

I have put the IOS3270 manual up on my web site at
http://ibm.com/vm/devpages/jelliott/

Jim

IOS3270 Manual or documentation

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I'm rewriting an old exec (EXEC2) that used IOS3270. IOS3270
> appears to be a viable menu program. I do not have DMS and do
> not wish to use ISPF. Where can I find documentation on
> IOS3270.

> The VM download page has the run files. I'm having a little
> problem unpacking the VMARC file to see if there is
> documentation included in the package.

Hans: I will send you a copy of the doc.

Jim

Re: Another interesting article: z on Power 6??

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> It isn't pSeries or iSeries anymore either, IBM still uses
> zSeries on the older equipment on this page:

> http://www.ibm.com/products/shop/servers/us/index.html

The old products are still eServer zSeries and the new product is
System z9. However, the two together are know as System z. A
similar "rule" holds true for the other server products.

> The itweek article also talks about Power6 chips in the System
> z machines. Has that been officially acknowledged by IBM yet?

IBM has denied several times that we will be switching to Power
chips. Note that the System z mainframes have lots of Power chips
in them, but the processor chip is very much a System z unique
chip.

> The others on the list are easy, since iSeries (System i) has
> been using Power chips for several years, and there are System
> p Blades already.

The Power blades today are not System p products (and not
Power5), they are PowerPC 970 chips (as were used in the Power
Macs). However, IBM has indicated that we will see Power6 in
blades in the future.

Jim

Re: Hackers

[Strasser, [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I know I'm coming a little late to this party, but this is *almost* what 
Richard is looking for. This qualifies as a penetration, but not a penetration 
*by hackers*.

Back when the FTP server was modified (rewritten?) to use the new surrogate 
facility in CP, we had a user who tried to FTP a file to his 191 and entered 
190 instead. Because of a bug this class G user was able to put a file on 
MAINT's 190. It appeared that as long as you had a link in the directory, the 
code didn't distinguish between read-only or read-write. We reported it, and it 
was fixed by IBM in fairly short order. We also ran VM:Secure, but I believe 
the vulnerability was a CP problem.

Now this was not an outside user or a planned attack, but the exposure *could* 
have been used by any class G user with bad intentions to replace any 
executable on the "S" disk. 

Victor Strasser  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
VM and Linux Support Unit 
California Department of Technology Services 
Phone: 916-464-4522

-Original Message-
From: Schuh, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers

I am more interested in documented cases of hackers actually penetrating
a system. I am especially interested in penetrations of VM/ESA or later
systems. 


Regards, 
Richard Schuh 


-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:] On
Behalf Of Daniel P. Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:56 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Hackers

There's an article in the IBM Systems Journal, some time in the late 
1970's, that discusses what amounts to a penetration test study of that 
vintage of VM.  If I recall correctly, the authors exposed some 
interesting quirks in the I/O subsystem as the major exposure to
mischief.

I've got a copy of the article buried somewhere in my paper ephemera.  
If you're interested and don't find a better source, I'll dig up the 
publication info and can perhaps locate my copy of the article.

-dan.

Schuh, Richard wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a documented case of VM being penetrated by
hackers?
>
> Regards,
> Richard Schuh
>

Re: Security on Linux/VM

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> We are planning to make z/VM Linux production with RACF on VM,
> I would like to know what is best practices for handling
> security under Linux/VM and how other shops handing security
> for Linux.

Anne:

Check out http://www.vm.ibm.com/security/ (look for the papers at
the bottom of that web page).

Note that today you can't use RACF on z/VM to authenticate from
Linux, but with z/VM 5.3 (available in June) and the new LDAP
server you will be able to.

Jim

Re: REXX370 4.02 01 Dec 1998 - why is Rexx so old?

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> We just upgraded to Z/VM 5.2 last year, so why is Rexx so old?

Because it does everything we want of it? When Mike Cowlishaw
wrote REXX he wrote a wonderful and complete language. The
only thing that might be nice is to have his later ObjectREXX
on z/VM, but for what we use REXX for (scripting) it is a very
complete language. With the addition of CMS Pipelines it is
extremetly powerful!

Jim

Re: Multiprise 2000 Ficon

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I think the answer is no, but I would like to know if you can
> get a Ficon channel card for a Multiprise 2000. We want to
> connect the Multiprise to external DASD. We were planning on
> having Escon and Ficon connections to the external DASD at the
> same time, but it looks like we can only have one or the other,
> not both, and if we switch connectors, the data space must be
> wiped and redefined. So there goes our migration plan. The only
> Escon to Ficon converters I can find connect Ficon channels to
> Escon devices, not the other way around.

Peter:

You can NOT put FICON features into a MP2000 (G3 technology). FICON
came with G5 technology in 1998.

Jim

Re: DASD cylinders

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> How then do I have actual volumes on my system of 32,760 cyls.
> That's not divisible by 1113 (ds8000 here).

Marcy: Sorry, I was not clear. Allocation is in multiples of 1113
cylinders. You can make a volume whatever size you want, but if
it is not a multiple of 1113 cylinders, the remainder up to the
next 1113 cylinder boundary is not usable. Therefore, if you
defined a volume of 100 cylinders, you would be wasting 1013
cylinders.

Jim

Re: DASD cylinders

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> That's what I think too. Mod 27 and Mod 54 don't exist. I just
> read the ds8000 doc, you can choose 3390 Standard Mod 3, 3390
> Standard Mod 9, or 3390 Custom Volume.

Marcy:

> On the DS8000 family, you can allocate any number of cylinders
> you want, but they must be in multiples of 1113 (a 3390-1) up
> to a maximum of 60102 cylinders (a 3390-54). Apparently this is
> different from the ESS where you could have any number of
> cylinders (up to whatever the limit was).

Jim

Re: IFL Pricing

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> Did anyone see this article regarding Nationwide:
> http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196700327

> The specific item I wonder about is: "The IFLs don't come
> cheap. They're listed at $95,000 each on IBM's Web site. But
> hundreds of small servers didn't come cheaply either. Miggo
> estimates they averaged $10,000 each."

> The last I heard, IFLs listed for $125,000 each. Has that
> changed? Or, is that incorrect infromation (either because the
> number is wrong or because its "Nationwide" pricing instead of
> list) that incorrect infromation (either because the number is
> wrong or because its "Nationwide" pricing instead of list)

Dennis: Don't believe what you read in the press, especially the
IT press. The "list price" for an IFL on any machine other than a
z9 BC is $125,000 US (on the z9 BC it is $95,000). However, there
are often (always?) deals from IBM. I suspect the author of the
article saw the $95,000 price for a z9 BC and thought that was
for all z9s.

Jim

Re: Does Xen run on zSeries?

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I found this on the web (which does not, of course, make it
> true) at Linux-Watch at
> :

> Even now, Jaffe continued, insurance giant Nationwise is using
> Novell SLES and Xen in production IBM zSeries mainframes to
> improve their system utilization and save money.

> When needs VM?

> I like the spelling of "Nationwise".

I have pretty much given up on this reporter getting things
right.

JIM

Re: z/VM 5.2 performance monitors

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> We just found out that our VM performance monitor software
> (Macro 4 - VPAC) will not be supported on our new 64 bit z/VM
> 5.2 . Does anyone have an recommendations as a replacement? We
> don't need anything fancy, just basic monitoring and basic
> guest performance reporting.

Tim:

Well a plug for the IBM product (which ships with your z/VM
5.2 system already installed, you just have to enable it).

IBM z/VM Performance Toolkit
http://www.vm.ibm.com/related/perfkit/

Jim

www.vm.ibm.com

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

The site is not accessible due to problems apparently at AT&T.
There is a ticket open with them. This is not an IBM problem.

Jim

Re: Friday thought

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> You know you've been a VM system programmer for too long when
> you see a license place of "MNT374" and start trying to
> remember what would go on MAINT's 374 minidisk

You Might be a Mainframer If web page
http://www.grnscrn.com/bigblue.htm

Jim

Re: Another long slow decline.

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Having been there myself, your best bet is to find yourself a new
position ASAP. If they still need your services, they may be able to get
you for a few hours a week at a nice hourly rate. Don't be a victim of
their bad decision making - take advantage of it in every possible way.
 

Ray Mrohs
U.S. Department of Justice
202-307-6896
 

> -Original Message-
> And so it begins,
> 
>   Management has decided after a year of thinking that the era of the
> mainframe is over here. The final "I"'s are being doted, "T"'s being
> crossed on a monster contract to replace our main application with a
> Computer Off The Shelf product. I love that acronym. COST or 
> costs more is
> more to the point. I have read about more failed C/S system 
> conversions
> based on the idea that the mainframe is Sooo.. expensive.  My current
> operating budget is about $250,000/year and has a current 
> operational life
> of about two more years giving a respectable $300,000/year 
> operating cost
> over the 6 year operational plan. 
> Steve Domarski 352-368-8350
> Property Appraisers Office Marion County Florida USA
> 

Re: OSA-Express Question

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> You don't, not directly. To transport SNA traffic over an IP
> network requires Enterprise Extender (EE) aka High Performance
> Routing/IP (HPR/IP) technology. This service is provided for VM
> and VSE by IBM Communications Server for Linux. It can talk to
> other EE implementations.

Alan:

The customer has only Windows and VM so Linux is not an option.

Jim

Re: OSA-Express Question

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> If all they're doing is tn3270 traffic to a VTAM application
> solicitor, convert it to using DIAL VTAM in the VM TELNET
> connection exit. There will be a slight increase in host CPU
> utilization (the main point of using the CPA tn3270 server was
> to offload the IP stack cycles outside the host box), but it
> should be fairly minimal.

David:

Thanks, that may work.

> Are they also using the CPA as their cross-domain
> communications link to the other VTAMs? If so, then you are
> looking at doing EE.

The customer is pure VM (z/VM 5.2 migrating from VM/ESA).
Therefore EE is not an option. They have two VM LPARs, each of
which is connected to a different CPA and a 3745 two which woth
LPARs are connected.

Jim

Re: Real core

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I believe the 370/155 and 370/165 had core memory, and later in
> their lives DAT was available as an RPQ or a field upgrade on
> those processors. I think the 370/168 and certainly the 370/158
> came with DAT and solid state memory on the base model.

OK, here is a little correct history of the models.

S/370 155 and S/370 165 did not have DAT capability and therefore
were not virtual storage (VS) capable systems. The S/370 135 and
S/370 145 did have DAT but this was NOT in the original
announcement.

When VS was announced on August 2, 1972 the 135 and 145 got VS
support via a microcode EC. There was a very expensive option to
upgrade the 155 to a 155-II and the 165 to a 165-II which
basically added DAT. Very few customers took up this option as
the more attractive ($) option were the S/370 158 and S/370 168
which had DAT and VS built-in.

And as a side note, the expansion memory frames on some of the S/370
machines did have their own machine number, but I can't remember those
numbers (except 3360 for the 155).

http://ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_intro.html

ModMT   Announce   Memory
1553155 1970-06-30 core
1653165 1970-06-30 core
1453145 1970-09-23 silicon
1353135 1971-03-08 silicon
155-II 3155 1972-08-02 core
1583158 1972-08-02 silicon
165-II 3165 1972-08-02 core
1683168 1972-08-02 silicon
1383138 1976-06-30 silicon
1483148 1976-06-30 silicon

http://ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_FS370B.html

Jim

Delta Object Directory

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

DIRMAINT on z/VM 5.2 uses a delta object directory that I think is used
to speed up directory updates. When I run Q ALLOC DRCT afterwards, the
directory space used is double the usual amount so I presume there is
some magic that DIRMAINT does to manage it. Everytjhing would be fine,
except VM:Account gets an abend DRX003 when trying to read the directory
during this delta state. When I run DIRMAINT DIRECT the object directory
goes back down to regular size. Then, I can restart VMACCT and
everything is OK. 

Obviously something has to be fixed, but how can I temporarily set
DIRMAINT to not run in delta update mode?


Ray Mrohs
U.S. Department of Justice
202-307-6896
 

IBM Announces Five-Year March to Mainframe Simplification

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

Here is the IBM press release link for this. Note that this is
ALL about z/OS (at this time).

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20384.wss

Jim

No subject

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

From: "Huegel, Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A mainframe 'windows'

> Check this out. Is IBM building a mainframe 'windows' for only
> $100 million what can one expect?

> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20061004/D8KHJQ500.html

Thomas:

This is not "new news", and the $100 million covers a lot of
things to make mainframes (read z/OS here) easier to use. Check
out the IBM OMEGAMON z/OS Management Console off the page at
http://ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/omegamon-xe-zos/.

This is all about making it easier for people who can't "grok"
green screens to manage z/OS.

Jim

Re: Understanding F20 ESS and defining a correct IOCDS

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> I will be installing my first F20 ESS (Shark). It has not
> arrived but I do know that it is using 36.4 GB drives and has
> 1.6 Terabytes. I was not able to find a copy of the "IBM Total
> Storage ESS Introduction and Planning Guide" GC26-7294 on the
> web. If any one has this guide or a URL I would appreciate
> getting a copy. I did download and reviewed the Redbook
> "Implementing ESS in your environment".

Hans:

Go to the publications web site, select Canada then do a search
and you will find all 10 editions of this pub for download.

http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi.cgi

Jim

Re: IND$FILE Support Question

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

Actually, it was in the z/VM V5.1 announcement.

  Product packaging modifications for z/VM V5.1

  The 3270 PC File Transfer product (5664-281), previously
  orderable the z/VM V4 System Delivery Option (SDO), is now
  available as part of z/VM V5 product. It is shipped as a sample
  program on the system with no support available.

This was the total reference to IND$FILE in the z/VM 5.1
announcement. There was no statement that it would not be
included in future releases. Also, IND$FILE has been out of
service since 2003-01-31 so there is no support whether or not it
was included as a "sample" program with z/VM V5.

Jim

Re: Newbie on SMTP

[Strasser, [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Here are some pieces from an exec I wrote that relays MVS generated reports as 
e-mail attachments. It has all the pieces Mike needs, I think. 

   
build_headers:
/* BSMTP header */
h.1= 'HELO vmmail.teale.ca.gov'   
h.2= 'MAIL FROM: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'   
h.3= 'RCPT TO: <'smtpuser'@'smtpnode'>'   
h.4= 'DATA'   
  
/* RFC822 + Mime headers */   
boundary= 'next_part_'date('S')'_'time('L')       
h.5= 'To: <'user'@'smtpnode'>'
h.6= 'From: VM Mail Relay Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'  
h.7= 'Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'   
h.8= 'Date:' date('W')',' date() time() timezone  
h.9= 'Subject: Attached report from', 
  space(fromuser 'at' fromnode)   
h.10= 'MIME-Version: 1.0' 
h.11='Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="'boundary'"'   
h.12='  ' 
h.13='--'boundary 
h.14='Content-Type: text/plain'   
h.15='Content-disposition: inline'
h.16='  ' 
  
 
/* Note body */  
h.16='The attached file was relayed to you by an automated process.' 
h.17='Please do not reply to this message, no human will read it.'   
h.18='The relay server does not maintain a list of senders or'   
h.19='recieptients. Only the originator can make changes to addressing'  
h.20='or content.'   
h.21=' ' 
 
/* attachment header */  
h.22='--'boundary
h.23='Content-Type: text/plain'  
h.24='Content-disposition: attachment; filename="REPORT.TXT"'
h.25='Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable'   
h.26='  '
h.0= 26  
 
/* BSMTP trailer */  
t.1= '--'boundary'--'
t.2= '.' 
t.0= 2   
return   

  
wrap_it:  
'PIPE (end $)',   
   '| < WORKFILE' spoolid 'A',
   '| REXX QPENCODE', 
   '| PAD 1',     
   '| dot: STRNFIND /./', 
   '| ddot: FANINANY',
   '| PREFACE STEM H.',   
   '| APPEND STEM T.',
   '| PUNCH', 
   '| COUNT LINES',   
   '| VAR LINES_PUNCHED', 
   '$ dot:',  
   '| SPECS /./ 1 1-* N', 
   '| ddot:'  
return
  
  
/* QPENCODE REXX - Encode to Mime quoted-printable  !"[EMAIL PROTECTED]|}~ */   
 
 
'CALLPIPE (end $) *:',   
   '| STRIP TRAILING',   

Re: New mainframe redbook

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: "Introduction
> to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics"
> (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html)

> ...

> It would be nice, imho, if IBM was to produce a similar Redbook
> for z/VM. I would be willing to contribute to it

Dave:

This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are
offering. I have started (in my "spare time") doing a z/VM
version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this.

Jim

Re: Problem moving spool files from z/vm 3.1 to z/vm 5.2 using spxtape

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Thank you, John. 

Our testing scenario did not include a full spool restore. In the future
it will!  


Ray Mrohs
U.S. Department of Justice
202-307-6896

-Original Message-
From: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:45 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Problem moving spool files from z/vm 3.1 to z/vm 5.2 using
spxtape
Importance: Low

>We just migrated from 4.4 to 5.2 RSU 0601 and we saw a similar
>condition. The spool filled up prematurely while migrating 50,000 spool
>files to 5.2 using SPXTAPE. The spool area completely filled, and when
>we purged out all the visible spool files, not SDFs, utilization still
>showed 17%. When we reIPLed, utilization dropped to 2%. One 3390 mod-9
>should have given us enough space when compared to the 4.4 system which
>used 5 mod-2s (2226 cyl. each). We had to scramble and set up 2 more
>mod-9s to finish the cutover. Since we had only a 2 hour window,
>needless to say things got a little challenging!
>
>We didn't have time to IPL again after the SPXTAPE LOAD. Should we
>anticipate a big reduction in spool usage stats after the next outage?

This is a problem that has been fixed by APAR VM63961 (PTF UM31725 on
z/VM 5.2.0).There are also PTFs for z/VM 5.1.0 and 4.4.0 (UM31724 and
UM31723, respectively), but the problem is much less likely to occur
there.

Here is the APAR closing text. It is scheduled to be on the next RSU
for z/VM 5.2.0.


* USERS AFFECTED: Users of SPXTAPE LOAD*

* PROBLEM DESCRIPTION: *

* RECOMMENDATION: APPLY PTF*

HCPSPN incorrectly checks the results of a call to HCPPAGSW by
testing the condition code.  HCPPAGSW does not set the condition
code.  HCPSPN should be checking the return code in R15 when
control is returned from HCPPAGSW.  This incorrect test causes
HCPSPN to believe that the DASD write of a SPOOL data page
failed when it actually worked.  HCPSPN then attempts to recover
by allocating a new DASD slot and trying again.  Since the
condition code was not specifically set by HCPPAGSW, it is
sometimes zero and sometimes non-zero.  Every time a non-zero
condition code is returned, HCPSPN allocates another SPOOL
DASD slot, wasting the slot that was previously allocated.
This causes many more slots to be allocated than necessary.
Eventually, enough random zero condition codes are returned
that SPXTAPE LOAD completes.

On releases prior to 5.2.0, HCPPAGSW always returns condition
code 0 even though it is not a documented interface.  On those
releases, HCPSPN works when the page write succeeds but does
not detect the error when the page write fails.

CONCLUSION:
Code is added to test the return code from HCPPAGSW in R15
instead of the condition code.


John Franciscovich
z/VM Development

Re: Problem moving spool files from z/vm 3.1 to z/vm 5.2 using spxtape

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

We just migrated from 4.4 to 5.2 RSU 0601 and we saw a similar
condition. The spool filled up prematurely while migrating 50,000 spool
files to 5.2 using SPXTAPE. The spool area completely filled, and when
we purged out all the visible spool files, not SDFs, utilization still
showed 17%. When we reIPLed, utilization dropped to 2%. One 3390 mod-9
should have given us enough space when compared to the 4.4 system which
used 5 mod-2s (2226 cyl. each). We had to scramble and set up 2 more
mod-9s to finish the cutover. Since we had only a 2 hour window,
needless to say things got a little challenging!

We didn't have time to IPL again after the SPXTAPE LOAD. Should we
anticipate a big reduction in spool usage stats after the next outage?


Ray Mrohs
U.S. Department of Justice
202-307-6896

-Original Message-
From: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Hans Rempel
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:26 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Problem moving spool files from z/vm 3.1 to z/vm 5.2 using
spxtape

Thanks Mike. I read you e-mail earlier but didn't have a chance to
reply.
You're correct. I used a spxtape to backup of nss files from 5.2 system
and found that it used much more space than necessary about 13% when I
loaded them the 5.2 syste. I than IPL'ld and it dropped to 3%. So its
not just between releases. SPXTAPE 5.2 is bad. 

Your comments made me comfortable to proceed with the spxtape load. I
just added an additional 3 spool volumes to the 4 I had.

Hans 

Re: FYI .. I copied this from the VSE-LIST

[Jim Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

> This seemed interesting so I thought I'd pass it along over here.

> Yesterday, in our NC/VSE Users Group meeting, we were
> privileged to have a guest from the REXX Language Association.
> It turns out they are based just down the road from us in
> Raleigh, NC. The guest is the current Treasurer of the
> organization. He told us about the organization and the way
> they are furthering the REXX language in all platforms. It was
> quite impressive to see just how widespread it is.

> I wanted to share this with all of you because I was unaware of
> it and I know there are quite a few REXX gurus in our midst
> that will be interested.With their input and assistance, we
> could benefit in the VSE/VM/Linux world by getting IBM to
> further enhance REXX in our environments.

> Visit the association's web site at www.rexxla.org.

Thomas:

IBM open sourced ObjectREXX a couple of years ago and turned
over ownership to the REXX Language Association.

Jim

Re: New DASD questions cross post

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Unless anything has changed, the EMC live copy will trash your Linux
disks if the instances are up and running. Then you will end up falling
back to your DDR restores anyway. Best bet would be to shut down your
system(s) while the disks are migrating, unless business requirements
dictate otherwise.  


Ray Mrohs
U.S. Department of Justice
202-307-6896

-Original Message-
From: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:33 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: New DASD questions cross post
Importance: Low

Hello,
 
  Yes, intend to have the DDR BACKUPs from the weekend, and two
standalone utility tapes available.
Thanks for the CPVOL LIST UNIT(addr) NOVERIFY. I forgot about that.
 
Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
330-588-4723
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ext. 40441


From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:11 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: New DASD questions cross post
 

How about IPLing Stand-Alone ICKDSF from a tape.  You could issue a 
  
   CPVOL LIST UNIT(addr) NOVERIFY 

command. 

That would list your IPLable volume and display the Volume Serial and
Allocation Map. 
And  if it is not in CP format, it will also tell you.. 





"Edward M. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System  
07/19/2006 05:01 PM 
Please respond to
The IBM z/VM Operating System 
To
IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 
cc
 
Subject
New DASD questions  cross post
 
 
 



Hello Everyone, 
  
  We are getting ready to migrate to a new EMC DMX-1000 from a EMC
Symmetrix 8350. 
Our current addresses are 740-7B6.  We are generated for 740-7BF  128
devices,  Devices 7B7-7BF are offline. 
The new addresses are 700-7CA.   I am going to gen for 256 devices. 
  
  The EMC will copy file disk as we run, after the copy is done we
will shut down, re-cable,  Power_On_Reset 
with a new IOCDS (A1).  We will see all the drives. 
  
  We ipl z/VM from 792 at the moment, and will have to change to 752
on the new system. 
  
740 old is equal to 700 on new. 
  
  Now that is way is suppose to work.  Suppose 752 does not IPL,
what tools do we have to ensure that 
752 is in fact 430RES?   
  
  I have a Standalone system for VSE/ESA that would give me DITTO.
I could verify the name of the volume. 
I have DDR tapes of the system.  I could restore and ipl from a
different volume. 
  
  Any other ideas that are easier and confirm IPLable z/VM volumes? 
  
  IDEAS WELCOME! 
Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
330-588-4723
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ext. 40441 
  

Re: OT: Name licensing

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

...need to see your Curriculum Vitae before making my final decision!

-Original Message-
From: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:07 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: OT: Name licensing
Importance: Low

On Friday, 07/14/2006 at 01:08 AST, David Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> (Actually, that Altmark part really isn't all that bad. I mean, you
can
> get Alan Altmark action figures if you're really REALLY nice to Dame
> Pam. Collect your set of VM Developer Action Figures today! Complete
> with real 3270 *bleep* noisemakers and miniature Diet Dr Pepper
> six-packs!)

For $25, you can get a signed Certificate of Authenticity and a
publicity 
photo!

But the real news is that for only $10,000 (one-time charge), plus an 
annual $1000 maintenence fee, you too can be licensed to use my name.
You 
need only sign the "Alan Altmark 'Alan Altmark' License Agreement".
The 
maintenence fee entitles you any new releases AND versions!  If I should

change my name, you will be entitled to use the new one as well!
(Though 
from that point in time you will have one year to either upgrade to the 
new name or stop using it altogether - I'm not as charitable as my 
employer.) 

There are two additional Features:
- Forgiveness (#2113, $237): Provides indemnity from cease-and-desist 
orders and visits from Chuckie if you spell it "Allen" or "Al" (though
see 
the Audio Al feature)
- Audio Al (#2114, $100,000): Allows you to allow third parties to call 
you "Al" [no Paul Simon references, please].  This does NOT give you the

ability to call *yourself* Al.  That is specifically and irrevocably 
excluded by the Base Agreement.

Except for the Certificate, the above amounts are PER VALUE UNIT.  A 
"Value Unit" is whatever I want it to be and I define it to be "every 4 
letters".

Be the first on your block.  Act now!  Operators are standing by
All 
monies are expressed in US dollars.  Your bank must be capable of wiring

money to non-US destinations.  You must be at least 18 years of age and 
competent (as determined by family and friends) to enter into a legally 
binding agreement.

Alan Altmark
Financial Opportunities Sector
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

Re: LU 6.2 without a 3745?

[Strasser, [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Thanks everybody! Armed with the
information you provided, I spoke with the network manager. It turned out he
thought we were doing LU 6.2 out to clients, not just to MVS. We will do the 6.2
over the CTC, and switch from LU 2 to TN3270 out to the clients. 

 

I read up on the Communications Server for
Linux, and it sounds pretty sweet. Perhaps I can sell that to the SNA network folks
to ease the migration off the 3745s. ;)

 

  Victor

 



Victor Strasser  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
VM, Teradata, and Linux Support Unit 
California Department of Technology Services 
Phone: 916-464-4522











From: The IBM z/VM
Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:34 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBMVM] LU 6.2
without a 3745?



 

Isn’t the CTC between VM/VTAM and
MVS a PU4/5? It’ll burn CPU like crazy compared to doing the routing in
the 3745, but it should work.

 



David Boyes

Sine Nomine Associates













From: The IBM z/VM
Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Strasser, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:30 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: LU 6.2 without a 3745?



 

My SNA networking folks tell me that all our 3745s are going
away because the hardware is going out of support. We plan to use CTCs to
connect VM/VTAM to an MVS system to route RJE, and most terminal sessions are
already TN3270.

 

But we also have a CMS application that uses AVS to talk to
an MVS application over LU 6.2., and I was told “For LU 6.2 sessions, there is no alternatives unless you
have a PU 4/5.” It frankly seems very unlikely that we are
just SOL on LU 6.2 without a 3745. What do we need to make this work?

LU 6.2 without a 3745?

[Strasser, [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

My SNA networking folks tell me that all our 3745s are going
away because the hardware is going out of support. We plan to use CTCs to
connect VM/VTAM to an MVS system to route RJE, and most terminal sessions are
already TN3270.

 

But we also have a CMS application that uses AVS to talk to
an MVS application over LU 6.2., and I was told “For LU 6.2 sessions, there is no alternatives unless you
have a PU 4/5.” It frankly seems very unlikely that we are
just SOL on LU 6.2 without a 3745. What do we need to make this work?

 

Thanks much,

  Victor

 

Victor Strasser  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
VM, Teradata, and Linux Support Unit 
California Department of Technology Services 
Phone: 916-464-4522

 

CA-Top Secret upgrade question

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hello,

Anybody who has installed CA-Top Secret 1.6 on VM 5.2, please contact me
offline. I have a question regarding CAKVBLD.

Thanks. 


Ray Mrohs
U.S. Department of Justice
202-307-6896