Re: FCXPER315A

2008-06-10 Thread Alan Ackerman
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:34:06 -0500, Alan Ackerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>We don't run PTK, we run ESAMON. But we have seen similar messages. 
>
>I'm guessing that either your monitor shared segments are too small or t
he user connecting to 
the 
>monitor segment needs a greater SHARE and/or QUICKDISP. 
>
>In my case we are running in a small deliberately paging constrained VM.
 Nothing we can do 
>avoids these errors.
>
>Alan Ackerman
>Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com 
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Man! I was batting 0 for 2 on Wednesday night. Sorry about that! Better g
et some more sleep!

Alan Ackerman
Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com 


Re: FCXPER315A

2008-06-05 Thread Eginhard Jaeger

We recently began, under unknown circumstances, receiving this exception
from PTK on one VM LPAR (z800, V5R3):

FCXPER315A Cl1 time slice 1.444 exceeds limit 1.000 (Q1=21 Qx=24)

...



We don't run PTK, we run ESAMON. But we have seen similar messages.

I'm guessing that either your monitor shared segments are too small or the 
user connecting to the

monitor segment needs a greater SHARE and/or QUICKDISP.


No, definitely nothing to do with monitor data collection. Please see my 
reply to

Raymond Stricklins original append.



In my case we are running in a small deliberately paging constrained VM. 
Nothing we can do

avoids these errors.

Alan Ackerman
Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com


If you get similar messages then ESAMON must also have a built-in threshold
monitoring function, and you may want to adapt that threshold or just 
disable it

if you're not interested in the messages.

Eginhard Jaeger


Re: FCXPER315A

2008-06-05 Thread Eginhard Jaeger
 Original Message - 
From: "Stricklin, Raymond J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:12 PM
Subject: FCXPER315A




We recently began, under unknown circumstances, receiving this exception
from PTK on one VM LPAR (z800, V5R3):



FCXPER315A Cl1 time slice 1.444 exceeds limit 1.000 (Q1=21 Qx=24)



We received it (with slightly different numbers) once every ten minutes
for about a month, when it stopped under circumstances equally unknown
as those surrounding its beginning. Only one LPAR of the four on the
machine reports this exception.



I don't really know what it's referring to (apart from the dispatcher,
generally), or what its significance might be. Is it of any
significance? Where might I begin looking to determine the ultimate
cause?


Selecting context help for the '85% elapsed time' field on the CPU screen
explains meaning and use of the class 1 elapsed time slice:

'Elapsed  time  slice which determines the maximum time a 
VMDBK may remain in  the  dispatch  list  before  it  is 
dropped.  This value is continuously adapted for class 1 
transactions  so  that 85% of them can complete within a 
single class  1  elapsed  time  slice,  i.e.  the  value 
reflects  both  the system responsiveness to user demand 
and workload characteristics.  You should bear  this  in  
mind when comparing the values from different systems. ...'   

The messages you saw were probably generated by the initial 
threshold setting provided with the sample FCONX $PROFILE:

a value exceeding 1 second would have meant bad response
times on a system with mainly interactive CMS (e.g. PROFS) 
users. 
However, as the text says, the value depends not only on system

responsiveness but also on your workload, and the sample
threshold may be far off the target for your system. 
You should check the actual values for the class 1 elapsed time

slice on your system (see C1ES values on REDISP screen) and
relate them to good/bad performance felt by your users. Then
adapt the threshold value in the 'FC LIMIT C1ES ..' command 
in the FCONX $PROFILE to a value where experience has 
shown that system performance is getting worse.

Or simply disable threshold checking for C1ES if you cannot
determine a good threshold value ..

Eginhard


Re: FCXPER315A

2008-06-04 Thread Alan Ackerman
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:12:00 -0700, Stricklin, Raymond J  
wrote:

>We recently began, under unknown circumstances, receiving this exception

>from PTK on one VM LPAR (z800, V5R3):
>
>FCXPER315A Cl1 time slice 1.444 exceeds limit 1.000 (Q1=21 Qx=24)
>
>We received it (with slightly different numbers) once every ten minutes
>for about a month, when it stopped under circumstances equally unknown
>as those surrounding its beginning. Only one LPAR of the four on the
>machine reports this exception.
>
>I don't really know what it's referring to (apart from the dispatcher,
>generally), or what its significance might be. Is it of any
>significance? Where might I begin looking to determine the ultimate
>cause?
>
>Thanks;
>
>ok
>r.
>
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We don't run PTK, we run ESAMON. But we have seen similar messages. 

I'm guessing that either your monitor shared segments are too small or th
e user connecting to the 
monitor segment needs a greater SHARE and/or QUICKDISP. 

In my case we are running in a small deliberately paging constrained VM. 
Nothing we can do 
avoids these errors.

Alan Ackerman
Alan (dot) Ackerman (at) Bank of America (dot) com 


FCXPER315A

2008-06-03 Thread Stricklin, Raymond J
We recently began, under unknown circumstances, receiving this exception
from PTK on one VM LPAR (z800, V5R3):

FCXPER315A Cl1 time slice 1.444 exceeds limit 1.000 (Q1=21 Qx=24)

We received it (with slightly different numbers) once every ten minutes
for about a month, when it stopped under circumstances equally unknown
as those surrounding its beginning. Only one LPAR of the four on the
machine reports this exception.

I don't really know what it's referring to (apart from the dispatcher,
generally), or what its significance might be. Is it of any
significance? Where might I begin looking to determine the ultimate
cause?

Thanks;

ok
r.